Nuclear Power - A Solution To America's Energy Needs?

Started by RiversideGator, May 12, 2008, 10:13:57 AM

RiversideGator

Quote from: Midway on May 14, 2008, 07:27:23 PM
And as I said before, I am 100% in favor of a Nuclear power plant in Riverside. The cost per kilowatt hour is exceedingly low, so it is therefore deemed to be good.

I've got some property for rent right now.  I bet I could get some nice rent from Mr. Burns.   ;)

Midway ®

And since nuclear power is now so safe, the Price-Anderson act should be repealed.

RiversideGator

Considering industry is still on the hook for the first $10 billion in damages, it is hardly a license to be reckless.  It seems like a good system to me, akin to the workers comp system.

Midway ®

No, it's a subsidy to the nuclear power industry.

If it's as safe as you say, then there should be no problem getting private insurance instead of having the taxpayers foot the bill.

So, why won't private insurers cover this risk? And why should the government subsidize it? Cato is against it.

And it's not at all akin to the worker's comp system in any way shape or form. How you could draw similarities between the two is totally beyond understanding.

maybe I'm missing something here, though.

So, you're saying that some guy who falls off a roof and becomes a paraplegic and requires care for the rest of his life (absolute worst case scenario for workmen's comp) is the same as a reactor going critical and contaminating an area of say 25 miles around the plant? Hmmm... lemme think....how many uninhabitable newly improved little apartment houses could you fit in a circle with a radius of 25 miles around ....say downtown Jacksonville.... and how much do you think it might cost to close all of those little apartment houses down and wall off that circle....do you think it might cost more than say, taking care of that guy that fell off the roof?  Nah, probably not.

And besides, a reactor could never go critical and have the core melt down which would release enough radioactivity to have to evacuate an entire town, could it? Nah, that's never happened, and it couldn't, because of all the built in safety features.

So, I can't see why private insurers don't want to jump right on board this train. I would think they would be lining up to get in on it.

And by the way, better check your HO2 form for that nuclear contamination rider, I hear it's only $2.00 a year, even cheaper than flood insurance. It's found money for the insurance companies, that's why it's so cheap.

RiversideGator

There have been no major nuclear accidents in the US since 1979 and even then (Three Mile Island) no one was killed. 

There have been no major nuclear accidents in France ever and they obtain a large majority of their energy from nuclear.

There have been no major incidents in western Europe since the 1960s and no one was killed in that accident either. 

Of course there have been scattered deaths among plant workers but this happens at any place of employment to varying degrees.  The bottom line is nuclear power is a safe and mature technology which should be considered IMO.

Midway ®

Yeah, as I said, there have been no major nuclear accidents anywhere.

And nuclear power is safe.

So why won't the insurance companies write insurance for it, since it's absolutely safe and it's a no brainier way to make a ton of money. They are in business to make money, aren't they?

Do they know something we don't?

Oh, by the way, what was that little thing in Russia.....Can't quite remember the name....was it charmilles....cherobyn.....herbyolyl.....bernoyl.....just can't remember....oh well, not important anyway, just a blip....but really, it's perfectly safe, no chance for error, you're right as rain, as usual.

RiversideGator

So, you think that our technology today is comparable to the Soviet Union's in 1986?   :D

gatorback

Quote from: Midway on May 28, 2008, 12:02:29 AM
Yeah, as I said, there have been no major nuclear accidents anywhere.

Wrong.  3 mile island was major.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

Midway ®

Three Mile Island?  What? That was real? I thought that was just a movie.

You mean there really was a Three Mile Island power plant?

Hmmm....I must have spelled it wrong when I looked in Wikipedia.

I'll be damned....you mean nuclear power isn't safe? Is that what you mean?

Well, you're not seriously comparing the technology at TMI with what we use in America are you?

What country was TMI in, anyway? Uzbekistan, I think?

gatorback

I"m sorry my low 40s IQ doesn't understand most of that.  What is TMI?   Googled it nothing comes back.  Nothing on the wiki so I'm lost. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

Midway ®

Well, I guess that's it then. Of course, unless someone can post some charts and graphs.

gatorback

Sure. Why don't you find one that shows "no major nuclear accidents anywhere."  Oh wait, does TMI mean 3 mile island?  Get back with us soonest.  thanks.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

RiversideGator

I thought TMI meant "too much information".   :D

gatorback

I don't know.  We need Mr. Mitway to clarify that for us. 
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

gatorback

#29
Maybe we should look to astrology for our answers until the all knowing Mr. Midway returns. 
While googling off, I ran into this nugget.  You can thank me for it later.

Quote from: Eric Francis Fammed Astrologer
On June 27, at 1:37 pm PDT, a wildfire started at the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Washington state, about 120 miles from Seattle. Thousands of people were evacuated, and fire scorched nearly half the 560-square-mile site, destroying 70 homes and buildings as it crept within two miles of some of the most lethal nuclear waste on Earthâ€"waste dating back to the creation of the atomic bomb.

Government sources say no radiation was released into the environment in the Hanford blaze, though the potential for disaster was truly stunning. And this was the third serious nuclear incident since late 1999, when a mishap at a nuclear facility in Japan caused serious problems, followed by the recent fire at Los Alamos National Labs. Astrologers might well inquire whether these kinds of events follow a particular astrological signature.

A Defining Moment

To find a pattern, we need only return to the defining moment of the nuclear age. When the first self-sustaining nuclear chain reaction occurred, in a makeshift laboratory on a squash court in Chicago (December 2, 1942, at 3:25 pm CWT), a rare conjunction of Saturn and Uranus in Gemini  was rising. This was closely opposed by a conjunction in Sagittarius, including the Sun and Mercury.

Saturn represents structure; in the chain-reaction chart, it was conjunct Uranus (the planet after which man-made Uranium was named), which represents energy and the breaking of structure. With this stressful conjunction, humanity experienced the irreversible breaking of matter, the release of the nuclear force and the beginnings of a long-term relationship with atomic energy and nuclear crisis.

The Nuclear Axis

Repeated nuclear events over the past 58 years have led some astrologers to describe these degrees across early Gemini-Sagittarius as "the nuclear axis," which is highly sensitive to transits. One critical degree in this axis appears to be Saturn's location at the time of the first chain reaction, 8 degrees 56 minutes of Gemini.

With all of the important nuclear disasters since the first chain reaction, including Chernobyl, Three Mile Island and last year's accident at a uranium processing facility in Tokai, Japan, the nuclear axis has been under transit by slow-moving planets, such as Saturn, Chiron, Uranus and Pluto.

Harrisburg

For example, when the first memorable nuclear disaster occurred on March 27, 1979 (at 3:57 am, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania), transiting Saturn was within 20 minutes of an exact square to natal Saturn in the first chain reaction chart, at 8 degrees Virgo and 36 minutes. The Saturn square is often a critical or defining moment within any cycle where Saturn is directly involved.

Chernobyl

The next time Saturn and Uranus formed their rare conjunction, it was 1986, and the world witnessed the terrifying disaster at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in the Ukraine (April 26, 1986, at 1:26 am). Once again, Saturn-Uranus was rising in the east, the most prominent position in a horoscope. Saturn was precisely, that is, within 19 arc minutes of exact opposition to its position at the first chain reaction, located in the Chernobyl chart at 8 degrees 57 minutes Gemini.

In events since last September, the nuclear axis has been strongly aspected by the ongoing Chiron-Pluto conjunction in Sagittarius.

Tokai

When the nuclear accident in Tokai, Japan occurred last year (September 30, 1999, at 10:35 am JST, Tokai, Japan), Pluto (the planet after which Plutonium was named) was at 8 degrees 13 minutes Sagittarius, as well as rising in the due eastâ€"precisely square the Saturn position in the chain reaction chart, again, within arc minutes.

Incredibly, the Moon was at 8 degrees 35 minutes Gemini and setting, exactly in the due west, also square Saturn in the atom split chart. Note the exactitude of these degrees, remembering that there are 360 in the astrological wheel, and all the planets move at very different speeds. Once again, the nuclear axis was prominent, highlighted by the three most important astrological indicators: planetary position, proximity to the horizon and the angle of the Moon, all of which, in this case, were exact.

Los Alamos

Though past its exact aspect, the Chiron-Pluto conjunction in Sagittarius is apparently still well within orb of the nuclear axis, as serious wildfires have threatened two of the most critical nuclear facilities in the United States, Los Alamos National Laboratory, where nuclear bombs are designed, and the Hanford site, where historical nuclear artifacts are disposed of.

Hanford

During last week's fire at Hanford, the Moon crossed the nuclear axis in Gemini, opposing Pluto and Chiron, at the peak of the blaze.

Whatever the ultimate meaning of these aspects may be, one thing is clear: major nuclear events exist in direct relationship to the splitting of the atom, not just because without one the other would have been impossible, but also due to some connection on a hidden level.

Though only astrologers are in a position to see the alignments, the focus is thrown back on the origins of the nuclear crisis, the splitting of the atom. Will astrology ever be in a position to warn those in control of nuclear machinery when we are approaching a danger zone along the nuclear axis? With Saturn currently entering the sign Gemini, and approaching the second return to its position in the chain-reaction chart, we can only hope so.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586