Zone 5; 10 shootings in 18 days. What should be done?

[I-10east]

So please keep your self righteous 'no one understands poverty when they are white' crap.

I NEVER said that...I took issue about you joking about the whole thing (guillotines/the French Revolution etc). Nevermind, you are hopeless...

[NativeDigs]

have you seen the videos, incidentally?
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Yes, pretty disturbing. I cannot understand the lyrics but my best guess is a lot of retaliation rap. BTW - surprised no incidental gun fire during the shooting.

[I-10east]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/23-arrested-in-dismantling-of-jacksonville-gang/29325112

[Know Growth]

What does a RAP video have to do with 'gang' culture taking over a neighborhood and your belief that everyone should be armed?

Aw come on now Stephen,there you go again about RAP but in fact the RAP District might be a bulwark holding against Zone 5 phenomenon spread......for now at least!    

[Ocklawaha]

Solution? JACKSONVILLE?

LaVilla
Brooklyn
Fairfield

[Ernest Street]

What you hear from The JSO propaganda office might not be the truth..who is looking at the police?
it might be interesting if private citizens clock how many JSO officers are patrolling the north side Moncrief area...
If Rutherford put them on every corner and took some away from Westside tag running duty for revenue..he might be able to do something besides generate JSO income..

[sheclown]

^^^It's enablers like you that condones the violent buffoonery in the black community that are the problem. If you would do some research, you would know that is is a serious issue not to be taken lightly. Have you even ever lived in the hood before? A job at MSNBC would be perfect for you, so you can tell everyone that the black community in the US is in awesome shape. I'm not one to easily get offended, but your ho hum jokey attitude with this topic is downright offensive, esp for a non-black to act that way. You dug this topic out of the pile (when no one responded) just to troll.   

The notion that only a black person can care or understand what happens in troubled neighborhoods is part of Jacksonville's problem, IMHO. 

I am female, but that doesn't mean my areas of concern and responsibility are female-related topics. 

What happens in the northside of Jax, Durkeeville, East Jacksonville, Springfield is (or should) be of interest to all Jacksonville.  We are truly only as healthy as our core.

[I-10east]

^^^I never said that white people don't understand the black community. Read the entire section, and quit cherry picking off of one post then you would understand. I already cleared that up in the top post.

Mind you, I'm the person that said in the poor white community it's not that much violent crime (esp for the high population numbers) compared to the black community. I'm kinda envious of that, as I wish that our numbers weren't busting out the seams (of course that's not popular, so the liberals will find a way to attack me, because it doesn't fit their agenda...) I would NEVER say that whites don't no what it is to be poor. I think that the word 'white privilege' is complete bullshit in most cases; Not every white was born with a silver spoon, even many celebrities were homeless before.

[coredumped]

Headlines for today from news4jax, 5 more shootings:



Folks, THIS IS NOT NORMAL! Look at Atlanta news (5x +/- the size of us) 1 shooting. Orlando (2x +/- our size) NO shootings, Tampa (3x +/- our size) 1 shooting.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/1-killed-in-westside-apartment-shooting/29377164
http://www.news4jax.com/news/possible-shooting-in-nw-jacksonville/29377920
http://www.news4jax.com/news/jso-2-found-shot-in-nw-jacksonville/29376402
http://www.news4jax.com/news/1-hurt-in-altercation-in-spring-park/29377714

That's just over night. How many will die tonight?

[coredumped]

One in west riverside, one on the north side and two on the east side.

True, but it's still the city, a bit off topic for the thread I'll admin.

Aren't you one of the believers in ubiquitous guns for everyone, coredumped?  Or are you not part of that crowd?

No, i believe in guns for law abiding citizens. We've seen what banning guns did in Chicago didn't we? Besides, I think we already banned murder, criminals will always commit crimes, it's in their job description.

The point of this thread is that guns are legal all over the country but most cities don't have this problem. I think we should hold the sheriff accountable. Of let's give him a trial run, we increase his funding but if nothing positive comes from it we take it away.
As of now there's no incentive for him to do any good.

[I-10east]

^^^+100

[Rob68]

Id like to know exactly how many officers actually live in these neighborhoods?  Personally id like to see officers actually live where they patrol..actually get to know the people of jax...instead of being sent all over the town..how about relationship be developed..personally i havent met a policeman in any situation that doesnt behave like a prick..what ever happened to officer friendly...going up to a policeman to ask a simple question gets nothing but attitude..like im bothering him...yes theres lots of issues and everyone needs to be nicer to each other but it doesnt help when the peace officer is a jerk whoacts like youre bothering him.

[coredumped]

No doubt the statistics would be much worse without them.

Speak for yourself, I have lots of doubt since crime has INCREASED since they've tightened up the laws. But we'll never know for sure either way.

And if you believe in gun proliferation, then this is one of the acceptable consequences of that belief, isn't it?

No, this isn't acceptable. Banning guns won't stop people from shooting them, just as banning murder doesn't stop murder, banning weed doesn't stop drug use, and banning alcohol didn't stop drinking. I don't know why that's so hard for liberals to understand.

I believe crime will go down as "the war on drugs" winds down (huge failure), but in the meantime the REAL problem starts at home. Bad parenting/no parenting etc.

[I-10east]

I'm willing to bet that the displacement of the killers (formerly living in impenetrable high rise hellholes like Cabrini Green, Robert Taylor Homes etc etc) now scattered throughout the more orderly suburbs had alot to do with that decrease in crime.   

[I-10east]

^^^You said that, not me. I can imagine that it was really a 'failure' to the people whose neighborhoods were suddenly ghettofied by the projects being torn down. To think that Chicago's gun regulations has any affect on the plentiful armaments of gangs like the Gangster Disciples, Black Disciples, and the many other Chiraq gangs is VERY naive. You don't have to like it, and I know that it doesn't fit the liberal agenda, but it is the truth.