Potential Solutions to Gun Violence

[BridgeTroll]

how did these people get guns again?

Purchased legally?

[BridgeTroll]

how did these people get guns again?

Purchased legally?

Its a good thing that legal purchases kept them from being able to use a weapon of massacre.

Why would that be good? 

So far you have not contributed so much as an idea to strengthen background checks.  These three were identified as mentally unstable or having known issues.  Should their medical records have been included in FBI and ATF records so their purchases would have been denied?

[NotNow]

how did these people get guns again?

Purchased legally?

Lanza killed his mother to get his.  All had serious mental health issues prior to their crimes.  Again, a major part of our response to such crimes lies in the mental health arena. 

[BridgeTroll]

how did these people get guns again?

Purchased legally?

Lanza killed his mother to get his.  All had serious mental health issues prior to their crimes.  Again, a major part of our response to such crimes lies in the mental health arena. 

Understood... so to improve the background checks to prevent these people from getting them... their mental health records need to be in the federal database.  Perhaps ALL mental health providers be required to submit names and SSNs of ther patients?

[I-10east]

A custom-made 'gun nut' thread for Stephendare, finally!!! Thanks Jameson.

[NotNow]

Only those patients who meet certain criteria.  If they have threatened to hurt others or themselves, or they have fantasies of such things.  Or loss of of a sense of reality.  (Insert StephenDare! joke here.)   

[BridgeTroll]

how did these people get guns again?

Purchased legally?

Its a good thing that legal purchases kept them from being able to use a weapon of massacre.

Why would that be good? 

So far you have not contributed so much as an idea to strengthen background checks.  These three were identified as mentally unstable or having known issues.  Should their medical records have been included in FBI and ATF records so their purchases would have been denied?

So, you identify a further problem that illustrates what is wrong with our present system of ensuring public safety, well how would you solve it?

I provided a suggestion that addresses the issue...

Should their medical records have been included in FBI and ATF records so their purchases would have been denied?

[I-10east]

It's funny that people like Stephen always so quick to give someone a scarlet letter (troll, homophobic, racist etc) when he and other people like him being racist themselves; apparently the only people who partake in gun violence 'gun nuts' are white gun owners with mental problems (just like the stupid picture that's shown above) or a NRA member. That's the description of a 'gun nut' in a nutshell....

[BridgeTroll]

It's funny that people like Stephen always so quick to give someone a scarlet letter (troll, homophobic, racist etc) when he and other people like him being racist themselves; apparently the only people who partake in gun violence 'gun nuts' are white gun owners with mental problems (just like the stupid picture that's shown above) or a NRA member. That's the description of a 'gun nut' in a nutshell....

I am trying to be "constructive" here.  Please suggest a solution or remain silent.

[Jameson]

It's funny that people like Stephen always so quick to give someone a scarlet letter (troll, homophobic, racist etc) when he and other people like him being racist themselves; apparently the only people who partake in gun violence 'gun nuts' are white gun owners with mental problems (just like the stupid picture that's shown above) or a NRA member. That's the description of a 'gun nut' in a nutshell....

That's because that is the description that fits the left's narrative.

That is also why you never hear the left cite the liberal utopia of Chicago (where there are already strict gun laws but innocent children are murdered almost daily by guns purchased illegally) in their gun control argument.

[NotNow]

Agreed BT.  Can we all agree that much more stringent mental health reporting for the purpose of "background check" is needed?  Mandatory requirements that mental health providers report threats, fantasies of killing, and/or loss of connection with "right and wrong"?

[Jameson]

Here are some steps that I think could prevent these mass shootings: 

-There could be mental health evaluations required to purchase assault weapons.

-Family and friends could do more to act such as notifying authorities when they suspect that someone they know has been acting and talking crazy. The authorities can then do more to act by following through and following up. In the case of Holmes and Rodger, authority figures were notified. But Holmes' case wasn't followed through on and Rodger duped the cops who came to his apartment. In the case of Lanza, he was about to be committed before he murdered his mother.

-I realize that this option is crazy talk to the liberal left, but certain environments could have armed guards. As was the case in the FedEx shootings, Navy Yard shootings, Aurora and Sandy Hook, the psycho gunmen knew that they were walking into an area where they would encounter no resistance. In all except for Aurora, the gunmen turned the gun on themselves when authorities closed in. I tend to think that if these headcases who are amateurs with firearms knew that they had to get by a trained professional (or professionals) whose sole purpose is to prevent something bad from happening, that they would think twice about it. You think that Holmes would have stood up in a dark movie theater and started shooting if he knew 3 people with concealed weapons were somewhere in the theater and could fire back at him? I don't think so.

[Jameson]

Agreed BT.  Can we all agree that much more stringent mental health reporting for the purpose of "background check" is needed?  Mandatory requirements that mental health providers report threats, fantasies of killing, and/or loss of connection with "right and wrong"?

I agree.

[NotNow]

"-I realize that this option is crazy talk to the liberal left, but certain environments could have armed guards. As was the case in the FedEx shootings, Navy Yard shootings, Aurora and Sandy Hook, the psycho gunmen knew that they were walking into an area where they would encounter no resistance. In all except for Aurora, the gunmen turned the gun on themselves when authorities closed in. I tend to think that if these headcases who are amateurs with firearms knew that they had to get by a trained professional (or professionals) whose sole purpose is to prevent something bad from happening, that they would think twice about it. You think that Holmes would have stood up in a dark movie theater and started shooting if he knew 3 people with concealed weapons were somewhere in the theater and could fire back at him? I don't think so. "

I could not agree more.

[BridgeTroll]

-There could be mental health evaluations required to purchase assault weapons.

Are you suggesting an additional form to be submitted along with the background check at time of purchase?  So someone with no history of mental health issues would have to seek out a psychologist to be evaluated as "Fit or unfit to Own"?