Offshore Oil Drilling and the Oil Rig Disaster in the Gulf

[RiversideGator]

Riverside gator as a boy:

The fact that you find this cartoon amusing explains a lot about you, midway.  I have read it before on numerous occasions and it is literally the least funny cartoon I have ever read.   

[RiversideGator]

Uh Oh... Prescott is lucky he didn't wind up in the slammer....Can't remember though...was WWII a declared war? I think I heard something about that on some TV show somewhere...I wonder if there was any tackle?

Perhaps the reason why Prescott Bush was never prosecuted was because he was not guilty of any crime.  Did that answer ever occur to you, midway?

[RiversideGator]

Well Midway, River posted the FOX story as a thorough and complete debunking of the whole funding the nazi's affair.

Let's see.  I posted this:

I dont know how this thread went from oil drilling to Prescott Bush's alleged ties to the Nazis.  However, new documents have been declassified which show that he had a minimal involvement based on him being a partner at Brown Harriman.  It appears to have been a pro forma arrangement only rather than an active business relationship.  Here is the story (Fox News) on it

Again, no evidence exists which proves that Prescott Bush was "funding Nazis".  Stop lying.  Bush was involved however in legal business dealings in Germany before WW2 began.  Sorry if this offends your communist sensibilities.

Why he did this, I don't know, as he had already earlier conceded the point that Bush was quite rightly described as having funded the nazi's, but with the proviso that when he first started doing it, it wasnt illegal.  He was curiously silent on the funding and money management AFTER it was illegal, but I felt sure that if he was willing to take baby steps towards reality, then I could accomodate him by pretending not to notice that his reality antennas were still deliberately turned down to minimum reception.

Stephen, certainly you arent too dense to understand that doing business with German companies does not constitute having "funded Nazis".  And again, no credible evidence exists of active dealings after WW2 broke out.  I think perhaps you are too clever by half in making these silly allegations about a long dead Bush ancestor.

BTW, interesting how you boys veered off into Nazi "history" rather than to address the substantive points I made on oil drilling.  I take it that is because you are unable to answer them.   

[RiversideGator]

Uh Oh... Prescott is lucky he didn't wind up in the slammer....Can't remember though...was WWII a declared war? I think I heard something about that on some TV show somewhere...I wonder if there was any tackle?

Perhaps the reason why Prescott Bush was never prosecuted was because he was not guilty of any crime.  Did that answer ever occur to you, midway?

I bet it was just like that Scooter Libby Trial.

Or the Impeachment of George Bush...

Obviously when people break the laws, we immediately prosecute them, and never do anything at all for political reasons.

On the other hand, the allegations you are making are entirely for political reasons.  Let old Prescott rest in peace already.   

[RiversideGator]

Pretending your opponent is delusional does not win the debate.  It merely exposes your argument as a sham.

This is the relevant portion of the Fox News story which cited documents released by the Feds:

Union Banking was owned by a Dutch bank, Bank voor Handel en Scheepvaardt N.V., which was "closely affiliated" with the German conglomerate United Steel Works, according to an Oct. 5, 1942, report from the federal Office of Alien Property Custodian. The Dutch bank and the steel firm were part of the business and financial empire of Thyssen and his brother, Heinrich Thyssen-Bornemisza, the report said.

The 4,000 Union Banking shares owned by the Dutch bank were registered in the names of the seven U.S. directors, according a document signed by Homer Jones, chief of the division of investigation and research of the Office of Alien Property Custodian, a World War II-era agency that no longer exists.

E. Roland Harriman, the bank chairman and brother of former New York Gov. W. Averell Harriman (search), held 3,991 shares. Bush had one share.

Both Harrimans and Bush were partners in the New York investment firm of Brown Brothers, Harriman and Co., which handled the financial transactions of the bank as well as other financial dealings with several other companies linked to Bank voor Handel that were confiscated by the U.S. government during World War II.

Union Banking was seized by the government in October 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act (search).

No charges were brought against Union Banking's American directors.

Now, which portion of that proves that Prescott Bush was "funding Nazis", supported Nazis or violated the Trading with the Enemy Act?

[RiversideGator]

Also, remember that Fritz Thyssen was not a Nazi supporter by 1939 and was not even living in Germany at the time of the US entry into WW2.  Indeed, he had his German companies stolen from him by Nazis:

Nazi Germany

Once the Nazi dictatorship took hold, however, Thyssen began to have second thoughts. Although he welcomed the suppression of the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the trade unions, he disliked the mob violence of the SA. In 1934 he was one of the business leaders who persuaded Hitler to suppress the SA, leading to the "Night of the Long Knives". Thyssen was horrified, however, at the simultaneous murder of various conservative figures such as Kurt von Schleicher.

Thyssen accepted the exclusion of Jews from German business and professional life by the Nazis, and dismissed his own Jewish employees, but he did not share Hitler's violent anti-Semitism. As a Catholic, he also objected to the increasing repression of the Roman Catholic Church, which gathered pace after 1935. The breaking point for Thyssen was the violent pogrom against the Jews in November, 1938 known as Kristallnacht, which caused him to resign from the Council of State. By 1939 he was also bitterly criticising the regime's economic policies, which were subordinating everything to rearmament in preparation for war. [1]

[edit] World War II

In September 1, 1939 World War II broke out. Thyssen sent Hermann Goering a telegram saying he was opposed to the war, shortly before leaving for Switzerland with his family. He was expelled from the Nazi Party and the Reichstag, and his company was briefly nationalised.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Thyssen

[RiversideGator]

There is literally nothing left to say to you River.

You are either actually delusional or playing an elaborate game of mental patty cake, which is worse than being delusional.

If I were you I would read the material again and sleep on it, or I would ask my wife what she thought before I answered again.

The statements couldnt be any balder and you have already admitted to the inherent truth of this in a previous debate.

Post evidence or be exposed as a fraud.

[RiversideGator]

Its already been posted several times, and you are exposing yourself as an idiot.

If it so clear, please post it for me again. 

[Midway ®]

Riverside gator as a boy:

The fact that you find this cartoon amusing explains a lot about you, midway.  I have read it before on numerous occasions and it is literally the least funny cartoon I have ever read.   

Funny? Who said it's funny? Did I say it's funny?... Disturbing...pathetic...even moronic, but not funny.

Besides, I would never attempt humor in a thread inhabited by you, the metrojacksonville resident comic genius, this would result in my certain upstaging by you. As W.C. Fields said, "never work with children or animals". I follow that advice by not offering comedic material in proximity to yours.

[Midway ®]

Uh Oh... Prescott is lucky he didn't wind up in the slammer....Can't remember though...was WWII a declared war? I think I heard something about that on some TV show somewhere...I wonder if there was any tackle?

Perhaps the reason why Prescott Bush was never prosecuted was because he was not guilty of any crime.  Did that answer ever occur to you, midway?

Perhaps Prescott didn't wind up in the slammer is because FDR thought it might be counter to the war effort to put a well connected and politically powerful GOB in jail?  Oh, excuse me! That could never happen in riversidegatorworld^tm.

Why don't you just say: "Please, Moonbat, keep your childish ramblings to yourself?" You know you want to.

[BridgeTroll]

Uh Oh... Prescott is lucky he didn't wind up in the slammer....Can't remember though...was WWII a declared war? I think I heard something about that on some TV show somewhere...I wonder if there was any tackle?

Perhaps the reason why Prescott Bush was never prosecuted was because he was not guilty of any crime.  Did that answer ever occur to you, midway?

Perhaps Prescott didn't wind up in the slammer is because FDR thought it might be counter to the war effort to put a well connected and politically powerful GOB in jail?  Oh, excuse me! That could never happen in riversidegatorworld^tm.

Why don't you just say: "Please, Moonbat, keep your childish ramblings to yourself?" You know you want to.

I assume then by your on topic postings that you now support drilling??

[RiversideGator]

Disturbing...pathetic...even moronic, but not funny.

This does pretty much describe you, midway.   

[RiversideGator]

"Please, Moonbat, keep your childish ramblings to yourself"

[RiversideGator]

So, now that we have a consensus on drilling offshore, we can all move forward and help make this nation more energy independent.  Thanks everyone.   

[RiversideGator]

Including off shore deposits, Alaskan deposits, oil shale and other deposits, the US has over a trillion barrels of oil or about 200 years of supply at our disposal.  Pretend what you wish and post clips from Austin Powers but this is reality.