New video: History's Worst President

Started by Midway ®, April 16, 2008, 10:33:50 PM

RiversideGator

Quote from: Eazy E on April 18, 2008, 08:37:51 AM
Quote from: RiversideGator on April 17, 2008, 11:25:00 AM
So, it is no wonder that he dislikes the center-right Bush.

Center right? 
Sorry, there is absolutely not factual way one can refer to GWB as centrist in any meaningful way.  Corporate greed/crime, death penalty, religion in politics, war, economic matters, judicial matters-- any subject, he is in no way centrist at all.  And herein lies the problem, Repubs want to make this a debate of opinion, when it is plainly factual: the guy is so far right he makes staunchies like McCain look centrist. 

Actually, there are large numbers of conservatives who are dissatisfied with Bush for spending too much, expanding the government, not properly addressing the immigration problem, etc, etc.  It is just that Bush has been the viable lesser of two evils in both of his elections and he had the good fortune to run against two of the biggest elitist buffoons in the Democrat Party - Gore and Kerry.

Midway ®

Quote from: Charleston native on April 18, 2008, 09:16:21 AM
Bush is far right?

Yeah, that's why he signed the bill to ban incandescent lightbulbs in 2012. ::) If anything, he's a corporate leftist masked as a center-right.

You should be even more upset about the banning of the transmission of analog television signals next year.

1. It ends a technology that has been in place for over 60 years and works just fine.
2. It compels you to buy new or additional equipment to do the same thing you are already doing.
3. And even worse than the light bulb situation, it renders your current TV useless unless you buy a converter    box.  (You will still be able to use any light bulbs you already have.)

Midway ®

Quote from: RiversideGator on April 17, 2008, 11:52:40 PM
Ock:  There was definitely not actual slavery in Delaware in 1900.  The law legalizing slavery may have been technically on the books till 1901 but it was a dead letter.  In other words, it had no legal force or effect because of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution which banned slavery and all its vestiges throughout the entire United States and its territories. 

Ock: Beware of this tricky sentence structure; he's a lawyer.

When he says "There was definitely not actual slavery in Delaware in 1900", what he means is that there might have been "virtual" slavery.

The word "actual" used this way is a weasel modifier.

Charleston native

Quote from: Midway on April 18, 2008, 01:56:00 PM
You should be even more upset about the banning of the transmission of analog television signals next year.

1. It ends a technology that has been in place for over 60 years and works just fine.
2. It compels you to buy new or additional equipment to do the same thing you are already doing.
3. And even worse than the light bulb situation, it renders your current TV useless unless you buy a converter    box.  (You will still be able to use any light bulbs you already have.)
I'm actually a little perturbed about it, but here's why I'm not as upset:

1. The technology is actually a higher quality product that enhances entertainment value (a measurable benefit).
2. Considering current trends, the market was heading towards this path as it is. Different technologies were becoming incompatible, which diminished communication and entertainment sources: a tangible, measurable problem. Again, the benefits of it are a huge improvement from analog signal in picture clarity and sound and synchronization of forms of media to a completely digital format.
3. It's a one-time purchase. I may have to buy a converter box, but I'll only need it once. Afterwards, I'll just buy a digital TV which will be lower in price than it is currently. With bulbs, I'll have to constantly purchase them for the rest of my life (well, unless I go with my plan to buy crates of regular bulbs and store them in my attic!).
4. Environmental cleanup....uhhhh, there is none to worry about with the TVs. For the bulbs, I practically have to call HAZMAT if I break one or want to dispose them.
5. Pollution: TVs and their parts can be recycled. CFL bulbs pose a huge risk of contaminating the soil and water supplies.

fightingosprey07

Quote from: Charleston native on April 18, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
3. It's a one-time purchase. I may have to buy a converter box, but I'll only need it once. Afterwards, I'll just buy a digital TV which will be lower in price than it is currently. With bulbs, I'll have to constantly purchase them for the rest of my life (well, unless I go with my plan to buy crates of regular bulbs and store them in my attic!).

Don't CFL's last for 5 or 6 years? I think I buy a new tv more often than that. Also, they save so much electricity, that they will actually save you money in the long term.

Midway ®

Not to worry. About 680 million of the standard old fashioned fluorescent tubes are disposed of annually, releasing 4-8 tons of mercury annually into the environment. This has been going on for about 40 years.

See the complete report at:

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/dsr/research/mercury-bulbs.pdf

Burning coal releases much more mercury than that. In reality the bulk of mercury pollution comes from certain chemical plants and the combustion of coal that is used to illuminate your lights. also produced is the following:

QuoteKnow Where It's Coming From
Each year power plants and chemical facilities create many tons of mercury pollution, which makes its way into our homes and bodies in fish.

Two of the biggest sources of mercury pollution are chlorine chemical plants and coal-fired power plants. Chlorine plants, which use massive quantities of mercury to extract chlorine from salt, "lose" dozens of tons of mercury each year; power plants emit around 50 tons of mercury pollution annually. Facilities that recycle auto scrap are another big source of mercury pollution, pouring 10 to 12 tons of mercury into the air every year. The most common way Americans are exposed to mercury is through tuna fish.

http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/sources.asp

So, you see the more electricity you use, the more mercury you will release into the air. Your sudden environmental concern is a positive turn for you, but there have been reports of toxic levels of mercury in tuna since 1960.

And look at us, were just fine, thank you. No need to worry about mercury, it was even in vaccines. Perfectly harmless, it is.

Charleston native

Quote from: fightingosprey07 on April 18, 2008, 03:51:35 PM
Don't CFL's last for 5 or 6 years? I think I buy a new tv more often than that. Also, they save so much electricity, that they will actually save you money in the long term.
Something tells me you're not buying quality TVs. I've had a 36" Toshiba for over 11 years now with no problems (knock on wood).

Please let's not start over this debate with the bulbs. That's in another thread. Many studies on CFLs show that they will not save you money in the long term due to other costs (disposal, breakage and cleanup, ambient heating, etc.). Besides, the new TVs actually use less electricity, and TVs pull far more power from the grid than bulbs. In truth, the TVs should have more of an impact on energy usage than bulbs.

Midway, that fact is exactly why more nuclear plants should be built and utilized. In addition, coal plants are producing clean coal technology for cleaner burns.

Again, to steer back on topic, the environmental policies that the president has implemented demonstrate the idiocy of the green movement and the true reason behind them: profit. I said before in another thread that if Bush keeps running with this lunacy, many of the posters' predictions of him being the worst president may be accurate.

RiversideGator

#37
Quote from: Midway on April 18, 2008, 02:00:46 PM
Quote from: RiversideGator on April 17, 2008, 11:52:40 PM
Ock:  There was definitely not actual slavery in Delaware in 1900.  The law legalizing slavery may have been technically on the books till 1901 but it was a dead letter.  In other words, it had no legal force or effect because of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution which banned slavery and all its vestiges throughout the entire United States and its territories. 

Ock: Beware of this tricky sentence structure; he's a lawyer.

When he says "There was definitely not actual slavery in Delaware in 1900", what he means is that there might have been "virtual" slavery.

The word "actual" used this way is a weasel modifier.


The only "weasel" here is you.  But thanks anyway for the failed attempt to dissect my statement.  The actual purpose for saying "actual" was to distinguish legal slavery from illegal slavery.  Thus, I meant to convey that there was no de jure (legal) slavery in Delaware in 1900 although there may have been de facto slavery somewhere in the state (i.e. labor camps with slavery type conditions, domestic slavery situations, etc).  This really isnt that difficult a concept for most people to grasp.

Midway ®

#38
Well then, if you mean LEGAL, then say LEGAL, not ACTUAL, which has an entirely different meaning.

I didn't call you any names. Don't do that with me.

For your reference:

le·gal     Audio Help   /ˈligəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lee-guhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"adjective
1.   permitted by law; lawful: Such acts are not legal.
2.   of or pertaining to law; connected with the law or its administration: the legal profession.
3.   appointed, established, or authorized by law; deriving authority from law.
4.   recognized by law rather than by equity.
5.   of, pertaining to, or characteristic of the profession of law or of lawyers: a legal mind.
6.   Theology.
a.   of or pertaining to the Mosaic Law.
b.   of or pertaining to the doctrine that salvation is gained by good works rather than through free grace.
â€"noun
7.   a person who acts in a legal manner or with legal authority.
8.   an alien who has entered a country legally.
9.   a person whose status is protected by law.
10.   a fish or game animal, within specified size or weight limitations, that the law allows to be caught and kept during an appropriate season.
11.   a foreigner who conducts espionage against a host country while working there in a legitimate capacity, often in the diplomatic service.
12.   legals, authorized investments that may be made by fiduciaries, as savings banks or trustees.
[Origin: 1490â€"1500; < L légālis of the law, equiv. to lég- (s. of léx) law + -ālis -al1]

â€"Related forms
le·gal·ly, adverb

â€"Synonyms 3. licit, legitimate, sanctioned.


ac·tu·al     Audio Help   /ˈæktʃuəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ak-choo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"adjective
1.   existing in act or fact; real: an actual case of heroism; actual expenses.
2.   existing now; present; current: The ship's actual position is 22 miles due east of Miami.
3.   Obsolete. pertaining to or involving acts or action.
[Origin: 1275â€"1325; < LL āctuālis, equiv. to L āctu- (s. of action n. āctus; see act) + -ālis -al1; r. ME actuel < MF < L]


Midway ®

Was not commenting on its accuracy. Just the weird use of "Actually" which has crept into the language as something that is usually (and in this case was) meaningless.

But all seriousness aside,  I thought it was pretty crazy in a funny, weird and pathetic sort of way.

Any how, I have received my first post back from my Chinese affiliates, and I sure hope that those devils haven't tricked me;


Midway ®

The funny part is, that John Ashcroft was ACTUALLY the voice of reason in these meetings, by allegedly stating "that history would not look kindly on this".

Ocklawaha

#41
Well it's been fun fellas, I've had a ball tossing Lincoln bombs into the fray, but truth be told, I really don't like him. I think y'all miss my point,
As for slavery long after the war, black, oriental or otherwise, it just goes to show, Lincoln really did very little but use the minoritys to save his butt. Had there been a true moral campaign, I think it would have ended English style and without bloodshed. Grant himself said so and WTF, I don't like him either! But the real fun is watching people fizz right over the edge at the mention of Lincoln and Asshole in the same sentence. So for all of you who worship in front of a $5.00 bill or a penny... "Lincoln-Asshole", "Lincoln-Asshole", Lincoln-... etc..." Gee that was fun. In the military we called this "Fire for effect..."

I'm afraid Bush is about as bad, and we had such high hopes for little George. I've even wondered if the age old prophecys of the end of time... that stuff that can be heard in any Christian church on any given weekend isn't off target. We keep looking for this man of evil and this evil empire to take control of the world... Um hello people... we have met the enemy and they are us!?!? Makes you wonder. Now that McCain is posiitioned to move into the kings throne, I wonder if were all mad here.
Well Y'all, it's been fun... I think you missed about 1/2 of my point on Lincoln, I really think he is WAY overrated


Ocklawaha

Driven1

u are correct...those guys are pretty awesome.

they had a good point.  you start to expect and can almost predict when some people are lying because they do it so often.  hillary is just one example.

Driven1

Quote from: stephendare on April 18, 2008, 07:57:55 PM
By the way, have you seen this new video about the winner of the 2008 election for president?
I wonder what kind of video would be made about either hillary or john being any kind of inspiration to anyone?

OMG!!   LOL!!   ROFL!!  I hardly ever actually read your posts or watch all the ridiculous videos you post.  I HAVE to start reading them more and watching these things.  That cracks me up.  How ridiculous!!!  lol....i watch that and say "How insulting to my intelligence and the intelligence of the intended audience."  You watch and are in awe.  LOL.

"Baaaaahhh... i'm a little sheep...where do you want me to go 'Change Shepherd' Barack?  Play your pipe and I'll follow you down the Golden Brick Road of Change to the ends of the earth!!!"

RiversideGator

Quote from: Midway on April 18, 2008, 06:15:26 PM
Well then, if you mean LEGAL, then say LEGAL, not ACTUAL, which has an entirely different meaning.

I didn't call you any names. Don't do that with me.

For your reference:

le·gal     Audio Help   /ˈligəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lee-guhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"adjective
1.   permitted by law; lawful: Such acts are not legal.
2.   of or pertaining to law; connected with the law or its administration: the legal profession.
3.   appointed, established, or authorized by law; deriving authority from law.
4.   recognized by law rather than by equity.
5.   of, pertaining to, or characteristic of the profession of law or of lawyers: a legal mind.
6.   Theology.
a.   of or pertaining to the Mosaic Law.
b.   of or pertaining to the doctrine that salvation is gained by good works rather than through free grace.
â€"noun
7.   a person who acts in a legal manner or with legal authority.
8.   an alien who has entered a country legally.
9.   a person whose status is protected by law.
10.   a fish or game animal, within specified size or weight limitations, that the law allows to be caught and kept during an appropriate season.
11.   a foreigner who conducts espionage against a host country while working there in a legitimate capacity, often in the diplomatic service.
12.   legals, authorized investments that may be made by fiduciaries, as savings banks or trustees.
[Origin: 1490â€"1500; < L légālis of the law, equiv. to lég- (s. of léx) law + -ālis -al1]

â€"Related forms
le·gal·ly, adverb

â€"Synonyms 3. licit, legitimate, sanctioned.


ac·tu·al     Audio Help   /ˈæktʃuəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ak-choo-uhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â€"adjective
1.   existing in act or fact; real: an actual case of heroism; actual expenses.
2.   existing now; present; current: The ship's actual position is 22 miles due east of Miami.
3.   Obsolete. pertaining to or involving acts or action.
[Origin: 1275â€"1325; < LL āctuālis, equiv. to L āctu- (s. of action n. āctus; see act) + -ālis -al1; r. ME actuel < MF < L]



It was clear I was referring to state sanctioned, legal slavery.  Using your "logic", there is still slavery in the US today because some rare individuals illegally practice it.