Who was Nathan Bedford Forrest?

[Sgarey123]

Thats like thinking Shakespeare had nothing to do with Hemingway...or that a tree can grow with no roots.

Every person you mention is a product of their environment! This is not an advanced concept. You are focused on differences and I am looking for the relationships.  You are being a divider!

If you "hate" parts of southern history then just admit it and be done. Just do not think for a second that your position is just. You deny the foundation...and its heros...have anything to do with the section of history you enjoy.

It is absurd.

Do us all a favor and stop trying to dishonor our region.

[Cheshire Cat]

Thats like thinking Shakespeare had nothing to do with Hemingway...or that a tree can grow with no roots.

Every person you mention is a product of their environment! This is not an advanced concept. You are focused on differences and I am looking for the relationships.  You are being a divider!

If you "hate" parts of southern history then just admit it and be done. Just do not think for a second that your position is just. You deny the foundation...and its heros...have anything to do with the section of history you enjoy.

It is absurd.

Do us all a favor and stop trying to dishonor our region.

Let me ask you this.  You claim to know nothing about Pastor John Weaver above....never heard of him, okay. Do you also know nothing about the Museum of Southern History here in Jacksonville?  Being such a history buff and all, certainly you would have visited the museum no?  If so you would have found yourself in the company of folks who laud the pastor's words and ideas and post them on their FB page.  Since you never heard of him, ahem,  I have provided a video of his preaching and a biography of him and his beliefs.  So the question is, do you agree with the Pastor and his views on Nathan B. Forrest as well has his take on the confederacy?   I have one other question for you as well.  Do you really live in Jacksonville or just have a P.O. Box here? 

[Sgarey123]

I have certainly driven by it....if it is the one off Herschel. No time to watch movies yet....holding back this spin and smear session is enough.

I have been to the Ritz theater several times. I am always surprised there isn't an exhibit on Black Confedarates. I will check the movies later today maybe. I live in the core of Jacksonville.

Stephen, you must be frustrated if you still don't understand by now. I am not preaching neo anything. It is not new. I must say though that your intolerance shows you have more in commonwith the Klan than I ever will.

[Coolyfett]

smh at these comments.

[Cheshire Cat]

School Board just voted unanimously to support the bill of Dr. Connie Hall which is to rename Forrest High School.  The request now moves on to Superintendent Vitti who has already said he would support such a change if it came before him~

Bravo, Duval County School Board! 

[thelakelander]

If that happens, let's just hope that Sgarey123 doesn't go in his war chest to pull out his Confederate uniform and extra muskets.

[Cheshire Cat]

Now to our recent commentary by the folks at "Friends of Forrest" you may want to give the rhetoric a rest.  How about it there Mr. Nelson, Mr. Brody and especially D.F. Buddy Harris?  You have failed to make a good argument which supports keeping the name of a Nathan B. Forrest on one of our high schools.  Guess most folk today don't cotton to honoring slave holders, murderers or KKK founders.  Who would have thunk it?  lol  Interesting also to see that among those who signed a petition to keep the name were C.C. Powell, downtown developer and former KKK leader, along with W.W. Gay, Miller Electric owner and surprisingly former council member Michael Corrigan.  Shoot Michael, what is up with that?  There is supposedly a petition supporting keeping the name of Forrest and other well known business owners names are on it.  Perhaps someone should get a copy and post the names.  Maybe by doing so we can have a better clarified view of what and who may be holding Jacksonville back in more ways than one. 

[Sgarey123]

We will need to come up with an acronym for this "new" intolerant bunch.  Those that think one piece of culture is better than another. Enough to dishonor a man's memory with baseless accusation.

So much for grace....and local flavor. But you guys don't really care about that do you?

Please visit Detriot and see our future....it will look the same except it will be in the South.

[Cheshire Cat]

Right Sgarey123.  No one here cares one whit about honoring a man named Nathan B. Forrest who created the KKK, ordered the murder of hundreds, was a slave hunter and slave holder.  We are completely lacking in tolerance. By the way, did you turn in that petition with the full names on it to the School Board?  If so I will make a public records request for it. This has been most unusual and in it's own way a sort of interesting psychological study.  Looks like southern history is doomed.    lol

[Sgarey123]

No loss here. I won.  I soundly beat you all on every point.  If people ever read this they will see that...

I had no real way to stop the tide. This was all I could do. I could only hope the School board would read it.

You have the national media posting untrue things...you have a group out there changing every Wikipedia site that has DCSB or Forrest on it saying they endorse the KKK. Sad....ugly....tactics...more than likely you have a trumped up survey as well.

Can you please post the location of the newly created petition to keep the name? I would love to sign it. 

Nathan Bedford Forrest is the low hanging fruit here.  He is the most difficult to defend.  You will not find the rest of the schools so easy to rename.  In fact I bet you see a surge or people wanting to join heritage clubs now. Of course almost everyone has moved away that would care.  They will either flee or they will become more vocal.  Detroit here we come.

I know this much. It is fairly certain the SAC council knew this would happen. They were allowed to option out. It is also fairly certain the proponents of this knew it would go this route which is why they did not bother showing up at the SAC meeting.  I notice the SAC meeting "delayed" the vote for a month.  Did you guys know too?

So we have a new KKK. One that has organized and shown strategy for manipulating the system and the public,

We can only hope for the next Mr. Stetson?  I hope he shows up soon.

Remember this though....Left wing ideals supported by intolerance, exclusion of thought, and a eradication of regionalism is on the way to a new fascism. A leftist Conservatism.  You all fall into that category at this moment. Remember balance is key to growth and prosperity....

[Sgarey123]

http://www.news4jax.com/news/board-votes-to-initiate-forrest-high-name-change/-/475880/22877328/-/ti6d3cz/-/index.html

So now the real circus begins....   I had fun debating. I hope I am wrong and it stops at one school.  Keep on supporting this nationalism over your region and state....add intolerence...speach codes....guess what you have folks?

[Cheshire Cat]

Delusional disorder

Delusional disorder, previously called paranoid disorder, is a type of serious mental illness involving psychosis. Psychosis is the inability to tell what is real from what is imagined. The main feature of delusional disorder is the presence of delusions -- unshakable beliefs in something untrue. People with delusional disorder experience non-bizarre delusions, which involve situations that could occur in real life, such as being followed, poisoned, deceived, conspired against, or loved from a distance. These delusions usually involve the misinterpretation of perceptions or experiences. In reality, however, the situations are either not true at all or highly exaggerated.

People with delusional disorder often can continue to socialize and function normally, apart from the subject of their delusion, and generally do not behave in an obviously odd or bizarre manner. This is unlike people with other psychotic disorders, who also might have delusions as a symptom of their disorder. In some cases, however, people with delusional disorder might become so preoccupied with their delusions that their lives are disrupted.

Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of self-worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery

http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/delusional-disorder

[kbhanson3]

Sgarey123 pegging the name change advocates as intolerant is priceless. That was a good laugh. Thank you!

[Cheshire Cat]

This is copied directly from the Harper's Weekly News, for April 30,1864

No apologist rewrite of history or excuse making can change the truth of what happen.


THE MASSACRE AT FORT
PILLOW.

We give on page 284 a sketch of the horrible MASSACRE AT FORT PILLOW. The annals of savage warfare nowhere record a more inhuman, fiendish butchery than this, perpetrated by the representatives of the " superior civilization" of the States in rebellion. It can not be wondered at that our officers and soldiers in the West are determined to avenge, at all opportunities, the cold-blooded murder of their comrades ; and yet we can but contemplate with pain the savage practices which rebel inhumanity thus forces upon the service. The account of the massacre as telegraphed from Cairo is as follows :

On the 12th inst. the rebel General Forrest appeared before Fort Pillow, near Columbus, Kentucky, attacking it with considerable vehemence. This was followed up by frequent demands for its surrender, which were refused by Major Booth, who commanded the fort. The fight was then continued up until 3 P.M., when Major Booth was killed, and the rebels, in large numbers, swarmed over the intrenchments. Up to that time comparatively few of our men had been killed; but immediately upon occupying the place the rebels commenced an indiscriminate butchery of the whites and blacks, including the wounded. Both white and black were bayoneted, shot, or sabred; even dead bodies were horribly mutilated, and children of seven and eight years, and several negro women killed in cold blood. Soldiers unable to speak from wounds were shot dead, and their bodies rolled down the banks into the river. The dead and wounded negroes were piled in heaps and burned, and several citizens, who had joined our forces for protection, were killed or wounded. Out of the garrison of six hundred only two hundred remained alive. Three hundred of those massacred were negroes; five were buried alive. Six guns were captured by the rebels, and carried off, including two 10-pound Parrotts, and two 12-pound howitzers.

[Sgarey123]

Diane...it describes you perfectly! You should seek help considering your part of the debate was probably the most worthless of all of them and you think it was sooooo intelligent.

You should consult Ocklawaha about the above propaganda and just how acurate or abnormal that was....just so you know General Sherman himself exonerated Lt. General Nathan Bedford Forrest for this Battle.   

Of course Ocklawaha probably wont respond because you will accuse him of being a member of the KKK. Foolish.

Its all water off the back of a duck now.