For and Against: The Mobility Fee Moratorium (2013-094)

[JeffreyS]

I stand by it.

[Ocklawaha]

According to others at tonights meeting, there were multiple meetings, not just one.  A mention of this couldn't be made?  Or how about Dougskiles doing a good job of distancing himself from those that supported him?


Frankly, everybody quit.  The only difference is some of us had no choice because we were sort of left at the altar.

NONE OF US QUIT! Doug, TheCat and Myself were there the whole time. There was not the regular public speaking format, they called on those of us they wanted to question then debated the pros and cons. I can tell you Doug was front and center taking the bullets for the 200+ of us that were NOT THERE. In FACT had we packed the house this afternoon, I don't believe they would have passed any moratorium. They seemed to see the empty seats as a free pass. Clark even waved his hand out over the 2 dozen occupied seats and said, "'Councilman Love's heart is in the right place, I want the amendment to pass, there's more to Jacksonville then these guys in here." When the meeting ended the builders clustered around Clark talking and laughing loudly, I sort of expected them to hoist him up on their shoulders and march him out. He reveled in the spotlight and resembled a 5-year old boy that has to pee really bad.

Nobody won a clear victory, while the builders might have won this battle, I believe history will show that we won a tactical victory. By the way, I've been invited to speak to the Builders Association about the benefit of streetcars. 

[JeffreyS]

I am working in Gainesville this week but I will do my best to finish up early enough to look at those bastards on the Council in the eye tomorrow and show them my disgust.

[sheclown]

Joe (Strider) speaks his mind.

And he cares deeply about this topic.

He read, wrote, attended meetings (or picked up my slack so I could attend meetings). And one or the other of us was there for each of the meetings including yesterday.

And after following this through the original mobility fee legislation, through the moratorium and then through the Clark bill, we find out about the compromise through...Patterson's article.

When you told him to stand behind you, he did.  And he did it with his whole heart.

So back off.

[John P]

Critisizing people is what strider does just look at his posts about rap and spar. Now the antimoratorium leaders are getting his wrath. Watch out St. johns riverkeeper you are next!

[PeeJayEss]

Critisizing people is what strider does just look at his posts about rap and spar. Now the antimoratorium leaders are getting his wrath. Watch out St. johns riverkeeper you are next!

I forgot that RAP and SPAR were above criticism.

[John P]

I am just saying thats like mostof what he posts about. Nobody is above criticizim but have perspective man. antimoratorim leaders have now been baptized.

[JeffreyS]

Sheclown I imagine Strider is a big enough boy to be told the truth if his attack disgusted somebody. Clearly you know him better so if you are calling him someone who needs kid gloves then kid gloves it is.

[sheclown]

 Ahh Jeffrey.  You're kinda cute. 

[dougskiles]

You have all given me great entertainment with this dialogue.  I appreciate the support and respect the critique.  It's all good with me.  I have no hard feelings to anyone.

[Dog Walker]

^ definition of a gentleman.

[strider]

You are right, JefferyS, I do not need to be treated with kid gloves.  I really could care less if you think my post was disgusting.  You are doing nothing but defending someone you consider a friend so how can I not applaud that?  Doesn't mean I have to agree with your sentiments nor you mine.

JohnP â€" perhaps if SPAR had not helped tear down historic house after historic house, perhaps if both RAP and SPAR stopped viciously attacking people and businesses and even to various degrees the very historic districts they are supposed to serve, there would be no need for truthful negative posts. Just sayin'...

Doug, I have no doubts that you are a gentleman and that you wish things were different. I suspect you had a tough decision to make and even I can't fault the decision as I am not in your shoes. I just believe you could have handled the situation better and fairer to all those who stood behind you when you asked.  Whether you wanted it or not, you were the De facto leader, we felt it, and so did the opposition and City Council.