Red Light Camera Locator Map

[BridgeTroll]

Good info. I just did a California stop at the Claire/San Jose intersection this morning.  Hopefully they're not too strict when it comes to right on reds.

I know one study AAA did found that almost 3/4ths of the tickets issued in by RLCs were for right on red violations so your odds aren't great

The "california stop" is a good way to hit pedestrians or bikers.  Come to a complete stop.

[David]

Calm down everyone.  I have eyesight and check for any particular dangers. Slowing to 5 mph while turning right on red isn't the same as mowing over a buncha fixies while downing a fifth of vodka.

[BridgeTroll]

Please watch... hilarious...

http://www.youtube.com/v/1VVlTTqIgdY

[BridgeTroll]

Calm down everyone.  I have eyesight and check for any particular dangers. Slowing to 5 mph while turning right on red isn't the same as mowing over a buncha fixies while downing a fifth of vodka.

Thank you David... you made my point...

[If_I_Loved_you]

Who pays camera tickets for gov't vehicles? Does an off-duty Police Officer have to pay for a red light ticket while he/she is driving there own vehicle? Does the Mayor or his wife have to pay a red light camera ticket?

[David]

But, but...I had a protected right turn.  (And you can spot the u-turners by their goofy swerve preturn )

And I've tried riding my bike down San Jose, it's a death sentence, don't do it unless you're in a group.

Back to the point, the camera will be effective at that intersection because I'll make sure I stop. 

[BridgeTroll]

http://laist.com/2008/05/19/_photo_by_zach.php

Here is the situation, often daily: you, as a pedestrian, approach an intersection at a stop sign or red light where you're about to cross. A driver approaches from your left wanting to make a right turn. They focus on not getting hit by cars coming from their left as they roll past the limit line, never making eye contact or noticing a pedestrian that has the right to cross to their right. They've now run the red light or stop sign, totally unaware that a pedestrian was there. Enough of a reason to enforce? Yes.

[David]

If you look to your right as you're rolling up to the intersection and see no pedestrians (btw this is Mandarin we're talking about here, how many people are on foot in Mandarin?)

But If you're slowly rolling up and can see there's no pedestrations to your right , and you know there's none to the left because of the cars turning left off of the main road onto your road, you can use your good judgement and clearly determine there's no danger to proceed with the right turn.

I'm aware it's a violation but most people do it.  The pedestrians would've had a "do not walk sign" because of the traffic turning onto the road as well.

But, this argument wouldn't hold up in court. So yes, stop. Make sure your hands are at 10 & 2 as well!

[JaxNole]

I'm all for them. It's made driving in the Orlando area less harrowing, both for motorists and pedestrians.

[JaxNole]

But, this argument wouldn't hold up in court. So yes, stop. Make sure your hands are at 10 & 2 as well!

Wasn't there a switch to position the hands at 9 & 3/3& 9 a few years ago? Something about being able to steady the steering wheel  better should the vehicle decide to go off course (by impact, poor driving conditions).

[If_I_Loved_you]

But, but...I had a protected right turn.  (And you can spot the u-turners by their goofy swerve preturn )

And I've tried riding my bike down San Jose, it's a death sentence, don't do it unless you're in a group.

Back to the point, the camera will be effective at that intersection because I'll make sure I stop.

(And I've tried riding my bike down San Jose, it's a death sentence, don't do it unless you're in a group.) This maybe better then riding alone but how many times have I seen groups of bike riders side by side too many? Bike riders should also know the rules of the road. Even two bike riders on the road should be behind each other not side by side.

[BridgeTroll]

Thank you again David... and we wonder why it is a problem?

While I am sure you are a careful driver... now your practice is habit.  Now you do it all the time... and expect the cars in front of you to do it too.

If "most people" followed the rules of the road... we would never be having a red light camera discussion...

I'm aware it's a violation but most people do it.

[David]

Wasn't there a switch to position the hands at 9 & 3/3& 9 a few years ago? Something about being able to steady the steering wheel  better should the vehicle decide to go off course (by impact, poor driving conditions).

Yes my coworker just told me that, it's because of the airbags supposedly.

[Charles Hunter]

About the revenue generation, it may not be THE reason Jacksonville is doing it, but the budget anticipates getting $1.5 million from the red light cameras. 
From First Coast News:

The city projects the cameras will generate $1.5 million that will go back into its general fund.

How does that work, if the goal is to reduce red-light violations, over time, there will be fewer violations and thus less revenue.

I think part of the argument about accidents is that while rear-end collisions might increase, T-bone crashes, which are more deadly, caused by running the red light are reduced.

[David]

Thank you again David... and we wonder why it is a problem?

While I am sure you are a careful driver... now your practice is habit.  Now you do it all the time... and expect the cars in front of you to do it too.

If "most people" followed the rules of the road... we would never be having a red light camera discussion...

I just don't think slow right on red turns are the main issue. It's people running the red lights blasting through an intersection at 60 mph causing fatal wrecks.

When you're rolling along at 5 mph, you have plenty of time to stop in case you see a hazard.  But if the law said "slow down to a speed you're comfortable with before completing the turn" You'd have people hanging a right on red at 30 mph. So I see the need to be black and white on that.