Gov. Rick Scott proposes raises for Florida teachers

[jcjohnpaint]

I am University, so I am including research, which is part of my expectations.  I teach in Italy in the summer.  I don't find myself having a day off very often to be honest.  Most of my colleagues do the same. 

[Tacachale]

It's almost universally common for professors like Jason to work many hours outside the classroom. Additionally, it's no secret that Florida university faculty salaries are lower than the national average. Administrative and support staff salaries are also lower than the average, and well below the private sector. At UNF, the annual budget cuts are a big factor in this, though on the upside we haven't had to lay anyone off, as almost all the other universities have done.

To summarize the DCPS budget, out of $1.66 billion, about $915 million goes directly into instruction and instruction support (this includes teacher salaries & benefits). Another $576 million goes to support - administrative expenses, capital projects, counseling, food service, etc. The remainder goes to such things as community projects, debt service, and reserves. It's not as if they're just being frivolous with all this money, and again, the budget has fluctuated seriously due to the state cuts.

The reason people are skeptical of the governor's announcement is due to how inconsistent he's been with the educational budget.

[NotNow]

I appreciate the answers.  We all work hard and I work long hours too.  I typed in "University of North Florida" in the Times Union database and here is the first page:

Name Year Employer Base pay Total
Delaney, John 2010 University of North Florida $369,999.93 $570,999.93
WALLACE, STEVEN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $328,242.72 $328,242.72
Samant, Ajay 2010 University of North Florida $285,000.00 $285,000.00
Workman, Mark 2010 University of North Florida $253,387.09 $253,387.09
Shuman, Shari 2010 University of North Florida $206,020.12 $206,020.12
Cox, Philip 2010 University of North Florida $200,000.13 $200,000.13
McDonough, John 2010 University of North Florida $192,115.92 $192,115.92
SABBAGH, RADWAN 2010 Department Of Health $191,690.82 $191,690.82
DAMIANI, JAMES 2010 Department Of Children and Families $191,228.52 $191,228.52
GREEN JR, DONALD 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $189,960.00 $189,960.00
DUHAYLUNGSOD, TORIBIO 2010 Department Of Children and Families $189,263.71 $189,263.71
Allaire, Pierre 2010 University of North Florida $184,112.51 $188,112.51
CAO, TAN 2010 Department Of Children and Families $186,923.16 $186,923.16
SHAH, MUHAMMAD 2010 Department Of Children and Families $186,923.16 $186,923.16
Fountain, Cheryl 2010 University of North Florida $186,869.13 $186,869.13
Waldrup, Bobby 2010 University of North Florida $172,506.69 $183,514.77
Moon, William 2010 University of North Florida $166,357.17 $181,357.17
Bolumole, Yemisi 2010 University of North Florida $147,594.91 $180,639.91
Williamson, Steven 2010 University of North Florida $141,499.40 $180,197.34
Hetrick, Barbara 2010 University of North Florida $175,469.05 $175,469.05
Chally, Pamela 2010 University of North Florida $175,469.05 $175,469.05
UPPU, KRISHNA 2010 Department Of Children and Families $175,192.15 $175,192.15
Voss, Henry 2010 University of North Florida $174,858.75 $174,858.75
MASON, JODI 2010 Department Of Health $174,461.58 $174,461.58
Gundlach, Gregory 2010 University of North Florida $172,827.84 $172,827.84
Frankel, Robert 2010 University of North Florida $152,658.19 $169,758.19
McAllister, John 2010 University of North Florida $167,109.45 $167,109.45
BOWERS, STEVEN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $165,792.00 $165,792.00
RENNIE, ROBERT 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $165,720.00 $165,720.00
Driscoll, Matthew 2010 University of North Florida $164,482.77 $164,482.77
MILLER, JEANNE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $163,992.00 $163,992.00
ARAB, CHRISTINE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $163,584.00 $163,584.00
Coleman, Bob 2010 University of North Florida $150,853.97 $162,386.74
Stone, Karen 2010 University of North Florida $161,502.66 $161,502.66
HARMON, ROBERT 2010 Department Of Health $160,442.37 $160,442.37
GUPTON, FRANK 2010 Department Of Health $158,932.80 $158,932.80
TITSHAW JR, EMMETT 2010 Department Of Military Affairs $158,588.10 $158,588.10
CANADY, CHARLES 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
LABARGA, JORGE 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
LEWIS, R. FRED 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
PARIENTE, BARBARA 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
PERRY, JAMES 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
POLSTON, RICKY 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
QUINCE, PEGGY 2010 State Courts System $157,975.92 $157,975.92
Calhoun, Charles 2010 University of North Florida $156,419.29 $156,419.29
Gottlieb, Rachelle 2010 University of North Florida $156,182.85 $156,182.85
Gonzalez, Mauricio 2010 University of North Florida $155,105.66 $155,105.66
Daniel, Larry 2010 University of North Florida $154,930.94 $154,930.94
Hackney, Courtney 2010 University of North Florida $154,034.49 $154,034.49
Kavan, C 2010 University of North Florida $153,602.58 $153,602.58

[NotNow]

I typed in "Florida State College Jacksonville" and got this:

Name Year Employer Base pay Total
WALLACE, STEVEN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $328,242.72 $328,242.72
GREEN JR, DONALD 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $189,960.00 $189,960.00
BOWERS, STEVEN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $165,792.00 $165,792.00
RENNIE, ROBERT 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $165,720.00 $165,720.00
MILLER, JEANNE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $163,992.00 $163,992.00
ARAB, CHRISTINE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $163,584.00 $163,584.00
ALBRECHT, CHRISTAL 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $147,456.00 $147,456.00
CABRAL-MALY, MARGARITA 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $147,456.00 $147,456.00
DARBY, BARBARA 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $147,456.00 $147,456.00
KOOI, JANA 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $147,456.00 $147,456.00
WRIGHT, DENIS 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $147,456.00 $147,456.00
PIERCE, TRACY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $146,712.00 $146,712.00
MANN, BRIAN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $136,824.00 $136,824.00
STEVENSON JR, JAMES 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $134,160.00 $134,160.00
STAMP, ROBERT 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $131,592.00 $131,592.00
LEHR, SUSAN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $128,424.00 $128,424.00
RUSSOS, MILTON 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $126,600.00 $126,600.00
REIMAN, DENNIS 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $112,248.00 $112,248.00
SIMPSON III, JAMES 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $108,960.00 $108,960.00
YURKO, NANCY KAYE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $108,960.00 $108,960.00
STRATMANN, CHARLES 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $105,720.00 $105,720.00
BIEGEL, PETER 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $103,656.00 $103,656.00
SNELL, LAURENCE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $103,656.00 $103,656.00
BOORD, PEGGY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $101,616.00 $101,616.00
CHAMBERS, JACK 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $101,616.00 $101,616.00
MARTIN, CHRISTOPHER 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $100,632.00 $100,632.00
SMITH, RONALD 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $100,632.00 $100,632.00
HUGHES, DONALD 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $99,600.00 $99,600.00
TISDALE, YVETTE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $98,856.00 $98,856.00
ADEEB, PATTY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $96,696.00 $96,696.00
GIULIANI, JULIE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $96,696.00 $96,696.00
RICHARDSON, DANIEL 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $96,696.00 $96,696.00
JUREWICZ, STANLEY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $96,696.00 $96,696.00
BABIN, HERBERT 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $95,760.00 $95,760.00
SWANSON, LINDA 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $95,760.00 $95,760.00
FRIEND, ERNEST 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $94,824.00 $94,824.00
HERMAN JR, PAUL 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $93,840.00 $93,840.00
MOLLER, HERMAN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $93,840.00 $93,840.00
HARR, GARY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $93,504.00 $93,504.00
BOWLES, MICHELE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $92,928.00 $92,928.00
DAVIS, ELIZABETH 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $92,928.00 $92,928.00
HENNING, NEAL 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $92,928.00 $92,928.00
MARTIN, MARGO 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $92,928.00 $92,928.00
MOBLEY, EVELYN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $92,928.00 $92,928.00
PARK, STEPHEN 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $91,128.00 $91,128.00
BALDWIN, ELIZABETH 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $91,128.00 $91,128.00
NEYER, BETTY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $91,128.00 $91,128.00
DAVIS, BILLY 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $90,240.00 $90,240.00
HAUSMAN, BETTIE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $90,240.00 $90,240.00
HORN, CATHERINE 2010 Florida State College at Jacksonville $90,240.00 $90,240.00

[NotNow]

Duval County Public Schools bring this:

Name Year Employer Base pay Total
PRATT-DANNALS, WILLIAM ED 2010 Duval County Public Schools $275,000.00 $275,000.00
AYARS, ARTHUR 2010 Duval County Public Schools $159,116.00 $159,116.00
WILLIS, PATRICIA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $159,116.00 $159,116.00
REYNOLDS, VICKI 2010 Duval County Public Schools $145,649.00 $145,649.00
UPRIGHT, BONNIE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $129,000.00 $129,000.00
STAHLMAN, THERESA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $127,600.00 $127,600.00
DENNIS, LAWRENCE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,607.00 $126,607.00
SOARES, PAUL 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,607.00 $126,607.00
LEROY, KATHRYN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,600.00 $126,600.00
MENARD, DEBORAH 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,600.00 $126,600.00
BYRD, JACQUELINE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,600.00 $126,600.00
MANN, ELAINE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,600.00 $126,600.00
BELLAMY, TONY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $126,600.00 $126,600.00
JONES, KAREN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $91,814.00 $121,231.31
PERRONE, MICHAEL 2010 Duval County Public Schools $120,000.00 $120,000.00
LINGREN, AMY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $115,000.00 $115,000.00
BRENNAN, ALVIN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $110,088.00 $114,206.50
KEYES, SELINDA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $114,000.00 $114,000.00
ROZIERS, LARRY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $114,000.00 $114,000.00
LEONARD, LINDA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $113,425.00 $113,425.00
CORNELIUS, JACQUELYN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $111,492.00 $112,533.00
YOUNG, JAMES 2010 Duval County Public Schools $110,200.00 $110,855.81
HALL, DENISE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $108,470.00 $110,470.00
MAXEY, GEORGE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $109,698.00 $110,398.00
JOHNSON, SYLVIA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $107,600.00 $109,910.95
WRIGHT, IRANETTA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $109,134.00 $109,888.04
DAVIS, CAROLYN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $109,600.00 $109,600.00
BUDD, JILL 2010 Duval County Public Schools $109,600.00 $109,600.00
DANIELS, CAROL 2010 Duval County Public Schools $109,600.00 $109,600.00
BROOKS HOYLE, RUTH 2010 Duval County Public Schools $106,640.00 $109,580.57
WRIGHT, COREY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $102,524.00 $108,642.50
DAVIS, ADDISON 2010 Duval County Public Schools $104,096.00 $108,406.95
REDDICK, KENNETH 2010 Duval County Public Schools $107,802.00 $107,802.00
GILBERT, DANE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $104,936.00 $107,246.95
KRIZNAR, DANA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $106,640.00 $106,640.00
BRIGHT, STEPHEN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $106,640.00 $106,640.00
DAVIS, MELODY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $106,640.00 $106,640.00
SCHULTZ, VICTORIA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $105,426.00 $106,577.41
SMITH, DEBORAH 2010 Duval County Public Schools $102,608.00 $105,358.00
GARNER, DAVID 2010 Duval County Public Schools $103,128.00 $105,128.00
SIMMONS, JACKIE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $104,196.00 $104,196.00
CASHEN, MARK 2010 Duval County Public Schools $103,767.00 $103,767.00
MCCANDLESS, GREGORY 2010 Duval County Public Schools $101,612.00 $102,612.00
LOTT, ANGELA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $97,594.00 $102,004.95
GRESHAM, ROBERT 2010 Duval County Public Schools $98,829.00 $101,139.95
RICHARDSON, DONNA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $100,995.00 $100,995.00
TURNER, ROYCE 2010 Duval County Public Schools $97,497.00 $100,881.08
COCHRAN, JOHN 2010 Duval County Public Schools $98,820.00 $99,762.90
SUTTON, KENNETH 2010 Duval County Public Schools $99,753.00 $99,753.00
MAJOVA, NONGONGOMA 2010 Duval County Public Schools $96,541.00 $99,697.26

[NotNow]

Now, just for fun, let's type in "City of Jacksonville":

Name Year Employer Base pay Total
Rao, Valerie 2010 Jacksonville, City of $190,172.64 $190,172.64
Giles, Jesse 2010 Jacksonville, City of $179,556.39 $179,556.39
Rohan, Steven 2010 Jacksonville, City of $177,429.00 $177,429.00
Sherman, Kirk 2010 Jacksonville, City of $176,400.00 $176,400.00
Chastain, Karen 2010 Jacksonville, City of $165,237.76 $165,237.76
Maltz, Howard 2010 Jacksonville, City of $160,837.64 $160,837.64
Belton, Clarence 2010 Jacksonville, City of $156,999.96 $156,999.96
Miller, George 2010 Jacksonville, City of $156,710.28 $156,710.28
Barton, Ronald 2010 Jacksonville, City of $152,070.32 $152,070.32
Nicolaescu, Aurelian 2010 Jacksonville, City of $151,533.91 $151,533.91
Duncan, Joey 2010 Jacksonville, City of $146,404.59 $146,404.59
Simons, Stacey 2010 Jacksonville, City of $144,999.96 $144,999.96
Steckbauer, Michael 2010 Jacksonville, City of $144,999.96 $144,999.96
Petrie, Gayle 2010 Jacksonville, City of $143,442.60 $143,442.60
Germany, John 2010 Jacksonville, City of $142,942.80 $142,942.80
Brown, Cheryl 2010 Jacksonville, City of $141,393.42 $141,393.42
Billy, Janice 2010 Jacksonville, City of $140,963.24 $140,963.24
Brown, Alvin 2010 Jacksonville, City of $139,214.40 $139,214.40
Markham, Pamela 2010 Jacksonville, City of $137,273.42 $137,273.42
Gubbin, Barbara 2010 Jacksonville, City of $136,144.34 $136,144.34
Bowling, Karen 2010 Jacksonville, City of $135,000.00 $135,000.00
Phillips, Roslyn 2010 Jacksonville, City of $133,196.70 $133,196.70
Igou, Derek 2010 Jacksonville, City of $132,300.00 $132,300.00
Stroh, Wendy 2010 Jacksonville, City of $130,000.00 $130,000.00
McArthur, Neill 2010 Jacksonville, City of $124,950.00 $124,950.00
Wedner, Michael 2010 Jacksonville, City of $124,459.96 $124,459.96
Chatmon, Derrel 2010 Jacksonville, City of $122,950.80 $122,950.80
Jarrett, Mary 2010 Jacksonville, City of $122,950.80 $122,950.80
Lanier, Linda 2010 Jacksonville, City of $122,844.19 $122,844.19
Reed, Devin 2010 Jacksonville, City of $122,500.04 $122,500.04
Killingsworth, William 2010 Jacksonville, City of $120,049.96 $120,049.96
Phillips, Jon 2010 Jacksonville, City of $119,452.20 $119,452.20
Gujjarlapudi, Ebenezer 2010 Jacksonville, City of $117,600.00 $117,600.00
Beck, Jeffrey 2010 Jacksonville, City of $117,600.00 $117,600.00
Pappas, John 2010 Jacksonville, City of $117,600.00 $117,600.00
Stork, Kevin 2010 Jacksonville, City of $117,010.37 $117,010.37
Givens, Michael 2010 Jacksonville, City of $116,444.46 $116,444.46
Crawford, Paul 2010 Jacksonville, City of $116,199.15 $116,199.15
Billy, Kyle 2010 Jacksonville, City of $115,674.18 $115,674.18
Conrad, Jarik 2010 Jacksonville, City of $114,999.96 $114,999.96
Olson, Kent 2010 Jacksonville, City of $114,844.93 $114,844.93
French, Loree 2010 Jacksonville, City of $113,454.60 $113,454.60
Powell, Stephen 2010 Jacksonville, City of $113,258.56 $113,258.56
Schneider, David 2010 Jacksonville, City of $112,041.18 $112,041.18
Williams, Carolyn 2010 Jacksonville, City of $112,027.53 $112,027.53
Johnson, Robert 2010 Jacksonville, City of $111,083.33 $111,083.33
Wallace, Richard 2010 Jacksonville, City of $111,079.55 $111,079.55
Price, Theresa 2010 Jacksonville, City of $111,069.92 $111,069.92
Russell, Bernice 2010 Jacksonville, City of $109,760.08 $109,760.08
Williams, Delphia 2010 Jacksonville, City of $109,738.90 $109,738.90

[NotNow]

What do you think?  Are the UNF administrative salaries "in line"?  Low to Mid six figures seems like pretty good money for administrators.  Professors seem to make low six figures.  Are they really all putting in seven day weeks?   UNF salaries look high to me.  Gee whiz, the President of the UNITED STATES makes $400,000 compared to President Delaney's $571,000!!!

FSCJ and Duval County school salaries look about right on paper (except for the crazy Wallace salary).  I am only skeptical of how many administrators are needed at Duval County Schools.   Look at some of those job titles.

City of Jax...I thought that I would have more issues than I did.  Most of the big earners are lawyers.  There are the usual "political friends" that we could do without.  I have issues with the people at the top not being in the same pension plan as the rest of the employees (same for Federal government.  Executives should live under the same rules they make for all of us).  But nothing crazy stood out.

What do you think?

[Cheshire Cat]

I think what is behind the declared pay increase for teachers is simple really and has nothing to do with the job they are doing or performance.  It has to do with rehabilitating Rick Scott in the eyes of the education community all of course to better his chances at re-election.  The Republican power players have already started taking shots at Charlie Crist because most believe he will run under his new Democrat party for his old job of Governor.  Crist was supportive of the education community and teachers.  Rick Scott on the other hand took a chopping axe to education when he got in office and in many ways his words and actions belittled educators and the job they were doing here in Florida.  Keep in mind that Rick Scott is the "least liked governor" in the Republican party itself.  His approval ratings are among the lowest in the nation when it comes to all parties and here in Florida, across the board his approval has been in the low 30's and at times plummeted below 29, the lowest I believe was something like 27%.  This is about politics and not about pay raises beyond using them to gain some favor among the educational community of Florida in the face of a challenge from Crist.  In a very real sense, teachers should be skeptical and I don't think their memories are short enough to cause them to forget that he was not at all gracious to them when he took office.  The proposal he made is also loose enough that the possible trickle down to teachers in the form of actual dollars will not be much. 

[NotNow]

So you support Crist for governor?  I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher. 

I think teachers should take the $2500 and run with it.  It doesn't mean they have to vote for Scott.  Scott's version is that there is now room in the budget that was not there when he came into office.  Either way, I think we agree that teachers (not the six figure crew on the river, although they will get it too) deserve the money.  With all of the places I disapprove of where my tax money goes, I'm a willing participant in this one.

[Cheshire Cat]

Whoa there NotNow.  Nowhere in my post did I say I was or was not supporting Crist for Governor, in fact the man has not even publicly said whether or not he is running for that office.   What I did discuss is the reason this raise offer is really on the table to begin with. If the teachers walk away with a few bucks and enough money to offset what they spend out of pocket that would be wonderful.  Investing in education is paramount to a better Florida and nation.  If the attempt to better his approval ratings puts money in the pockets of educators great, but I think they and most of Florida know what this raise is really about is politics.  That is what I am saying.  I will decide who to vote for when the candidates are official. 

[Tacachale]

A lot of the people on your UNF list aren't actually UNF staff. There are maybe 150 people at UNF, administrators and faculty, who make over 100k, out of the several thousand people who work here. As I say, faculty, administrative and support salaries track with Florida and are lower than the national average; admin and support salaries are also well below the private sector. Several of the administrators on that list are also on the faculty; we also have a higher than average number of adjuncts (part time professors on contract rather than salary).

I'm not saying all this to gripe; in this economy I'm just happy to have a job. But it's a myth that folks in education are overpaid.

John Delaney is my father. All I'll say is that his pay is typical for a university president who's put in the years and performance he has - and I can guarantee that he's brought more money into this school than he'll ever take out. And yes, he absolutely works seven days a week with regularity.

[jcjohnpaint]

Personally, Given the excellent job that Delaney has done as president- He should probably be paid much more.  I have been at universities where the president was paid more- and did so little for faculty.  We are all happy to have him.  I think I can speak for all my colleagues on this!

[NotNow]

Whew!  Thanks Diane.  I would have been a little shocked if you had supported him.

[Cheshire Cat]

I don't know who I will support NotNow.  I will wait to see who is on the ballot and what they have to say, like I always do. 

[NotNow]

I won't argue that Delaney has not done well as University Pres...or that his salary is comparable with other state university presidents.  I just happen to think they are all overpaid.  I know what the national averages are and they are paid too much nationally. (IMHO).   I'll be the first to admit that I am not a professional educator.  But these jobs are political in nature and they are using our tax money to feather some fine nests.

As for the school, OK, I'll accept $300,000 administrators I suppose.  I guess those hard working college professors (things have changed since I went to college) deserve those salaries.  I'm not talking about adjunct professors.  But Universities are pricing themselves out of the market.  Many young Americans can not afford college.  College loans of $100,000 for a 21 year old can really put a damper on life for a decade or so.  Many young people are debating the value of a degree that demands payments for life.  The local schools are so bad that the those that can afford it either move to another district or pay for private school.  The rest of the population competes for "magnet" schools where their kid might get an education...or not.  All of those six figure salaries on the river haven't changed that at all.