Charlotte feels Jacksonville's pain as speculation arises that Panthers may move

[spuwho]

I think that whole "two teams in LA" thing is ludicrous. With the bureaucratic red tape among other things, it's a challenge just to get one team in LA right now never the less two; Talk about putting the cart before the horse.

IMO NYC will be the only metro area with two NFL teams in the foreseeable future. All of the other big cities (Chicago etc) already are loyal fans of their existing teams, so I don't see them having any competition. Notice that all of the sports cities with two teams (in the four major sports) is that both city rivals have good amount of tradition, and have been in those cities for a considerably long time. As of recent history, you never see one old team, and a new expansion team playing in the same city, there's a reason for that.

I think if you asked the fans of the NFL Chicago Cardinals, who played at Comiskey Park, (Bears played at Wrigley Field) they would disagree. 1956 NFL Champions, their fans were very loyal and did not want them to move. The Bidwell Family moved them twice, first St Louis to play at the then new Busch Stadium, then later to Arizona in anticipation of a new stadium being built.

Every time someone from the 1956 championship team passes away, its news in Chicago.

When it was proposed that Chicago take on another team to justify a new stadium in 2000, the only ones against it were the Bears and the NFL. The McCaskey's didn't want any competition for their monopoly and the NFL didn't want another team diluting the Bears lucrative TV ratings.

Since then Chicago has had several teams from the USFL, WFL and (Arena) AFL, and all did fine until their respective leagues crumbled.

[I-10east]

^^^I never said that Chicago couldn't support two NFL teams, I just don't see it happening in the foreseeable future. Thanks for making my point for me with the Chicago Cardinals having history vs the '2016 Chicago expansion team' logic; Also like you said, the NFL and Bears don't want another Chicago team. The Chicago Cardinals played from 1945 to 1959 that's a bygone WWII era that makes the last memory of the Baltimore Colts seem recent. Just like when a Chicago Cardinals player passes away; The same thing can by said for the actual dying fans, as they aren't exactly spring chickens either. Chicago is a die hard Bears town, and rooting for any other team there is sacrilegious. Everyone is way too intrigued with this "two NFL teams in a big metropolis" thing that never seems to happen anymore.

[I-10east]

More talk about the Panthers potentially moving.

www.profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/11/panthers-areon-l-a-s-radar/#comment-2111085

[JayBird]

Everyone always talks about this every year in every NFL city.  Heck even in NYC the talk was that if Jets didn't get their own stadium they'd move.  Though it hasn't been made fact yet, it has been pretty much assured that the Oakland Raiders will move into the new Farmers Field when complete and become the LA Raiders.  Before everyone jumps on this ... no it is not a sure thing yet, and will probably wait until after Anschutz Entertainment Group has a buyer (owners of Farmers Field and LA Live where this is suppose to be), but it has been accepted by the masses and was even quoted in Oakland city council meetings about renewing their lease (they voted against it).

Like everything, you have the naysayers and debbie downers who will always put a spin of doom on a story.  No teams are moving in the next 2 years and chances are a big change with expansion will be the only thing Jaguars have to be worried about ... and that won't be for many years.

[I-10east]

No teams are moving in the next 2 years and chances are a big change with expansion will be the only thing Jaguars have to be worried about ...

Oh, so only the Jags have to worry huh? You're definitely not a "Debbie Downer, or a Naysayer" 
Sounds like you are being very protective of Carolina.

[JayBird]

No teams are moving in the next 2 years and chances are a big change with expansion will be the only thing Jaguars have to be worried about ... and that won't be for many years.

Oh, so only the Jags have to worry huh? You're definitely not a "Debbie Downer, or a Naysayer" 
Sounds like you are being very protective of Carolina.

Thank you for proving my point on spin.  I know nothing of carolina except where they are on a map.  I am a proud Die Hard Jags Fan who BLEEDS BLACK N' TEAL.  I was simply referring to how any time someone mentions a team moving or being sold its immediately followed with "oh the Jags will be sold/move/collapse" or like nonsense.  Being this is the MetroJACKSONVILLE site, I naturally brought it back to Jacksonville's very own team.  Had this been MetroPHILADELPHIA the post would've said the Eagles instead.

[I-10east]

^^^My fault, I badly misread another post yet again. I need to start thoroughly reading posts before I reply. Sorry about that. 

[JayBird]

I wondered bc you're one of the ones whom I usually like to read your input.  No apology necessary, I've done same

[Coolyfett]

How does one grow a television market size?

[Ocklawaha]

How does one grow a television market size?

Simple.  Install streetcars and commuter rail, reopen Jacksonville Terminal, get the river channel to 50 feet, encourage the Navy to take another look at Cecil Field, Whitehouse or even Green Cove Springs, play all of our cards related to recent NY Times article that big banks and financial institutions are looking at Jacksonville, be aggressive.  Be less restrictive, allow roller skates, skate boards, bicycles, fishing and card playing ANYWHERE in the metro.  Accommodate - embrace - sell the community.  Mow the grass, replace broken fixtures, unlock our parks, manicure our streets, plant trees, vines and flowers, expand our recreational opportunities. Host an international Expo, create more events, and shine lights on our history.

Do this and TV market size will take care of itself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/02/business/finance-jobs-leave-wall-street-as-firms-cut-costs.html?pagewanted=all

[tufsu1]

I was in Charlotte this weekend for the ACC Championship....and to be honest, their stadium is boring at best...and that's not just because it was half-empty ACC haters

[I-10east]

^^^It does look boring. The best thing about it is the 'facade' on the outside. BOA Stadium is a technologically outdated boring symmetrical stadium.

[fsujax]

you mean they ACC Championship cant even draw sell out crowds in carolina? at least with FSU playing in it, we probably would have had a larger crowd here in Jax.

[fsquid]

what football stadiums are "exciting"?  Other than Seattle, Dallas and Chicago's they are about the same.

[simms3]

FWIW there was an article in a paper in Atlanta last week that declared that the Falcons would have the "opportunity" to move to Los Angeles either in 2017 when they pay their bonds off (or earlier if they prepay) IF the city doesn't fork over the Billion dollar plus it is going to require to build a new stadium.

Of course the Falcons will never move, but I think it's funny that the article spins a move completely differently up here, sort of as a way to hold it over people's heads rather than a "self-esteem" issue.  Arthur Blank is throwing $300MM of his own cash to the stadium and the Falcons will throw I believe $150MM, the rest coming from the bed tax and city bonds.  A new stadium is happening much to the chagrin of probably most people here (we "have to" compete with Meadowlands, Glendale, Dallas, Houston, and all of those other outrageously expensive new stadiums, LoL...and the everyday citizens who are FOR this believe that we'll be able to get MLS and non-friendly MLS championship games and better concerts (LOL better concerts?  than what???...every performer in the universe already stops through here...Madonna just came to Atlanta for the 10th F'ing time last month!!!).

A lot of the big college football fans in the suburbs are for this.  They believe that events such as the SEC Championship will "go away" if we don't spend a billion dollars on a new stadium (forget the fact that the SEC Championship alone represents a negligible amount of payback on this "investment").  The not so funny thing is that most people in the city could give an F about the traffic inducing SEC Championship that brings a bunch of SEC drunk douches to our city for an entire weekend.  We want more rail and better city amenities like more Beltline projects and better streets (and SAFER streets).  We voted in the city to tax ourselves even more for projects that would benefit the city AND the suburbs and serve as an economic generator for the entire region and to the benefit of nearly everyone.  The suburbs voted that [TSPLOST] down because they are all anti-tax and love to mooch off of the high-tax City of Atlanta services (like the current GA Dome! and MARTA which brings them to the Dome!).  Now it looks like OUR CITY tax money (bed and bonds) is going to the friggin suburb fucks once again who care so much for a new stadium.  Try that one on for size.