Live blogging the first Presidential Debate

Started by Pinky, October 03, 2012, 09:05:29 PM

finehoe

Quote from: fsquid on October 04, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
don't particularly agree. one point is about specifics. How much do people honestly think they'll get on detailed specifics from 2 minute rebuttles back and forth? Also, the statement that Romney refused to stand his ground. Did he even watch the debate? Romney kept refuting what Obama was saying over and over. Either he didn't watch, or he doesn't know the definition of standing your ground.

I would like to see more specifics from Romney on his plans, but I wouldn't expect that from the debate. But I'd love to see it drawn up on his website or published somewhere.

You won't see specifics 'cause they don't exist.  Romney’s policy positions are even more of a shambles now than they were previously. Romney’s position, over and over again, is to simply bluff it on policy. His tax plan continues to be the most obvious one, but it really happens across the board. Romney insisted last night more than once that his tax plan will keep taxes the same for the wealthy, cut them for everyone else, and not add to the deficit. Forget about what the Tax Policy Center has said; just that much is obviously incoherent and impossible. And, more to the point, it’s clear he’s going to keep on insisting that it adds up, no matter how clearly it doesn’t. But it’s not just that; on every policy, he’s just going to insist that the consequences of his plans that anyone might not like simply don’t exist, so that he’s for sweeping spending cuts but insists that no particular program that anyone brings up might lose any funding, or that he’s for repealing Obamacare but those with pre-existing conditions will magically be protected.

jerry cornwell

Quote from: finehoe on October 04, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
Quote from: fsquid on October 04, 2012, 12:31:15 PM
don't particularly agree. one point is about specifics. How much do people honestly think they'll get on detailed specifics from 2 minute rebuttles back and forth? Also, the statement that Romney refused to stand his ground. Did he even watch the debate? Romney kept refuting what Obama was saying over and over. Either he didn't watch, or he doesn't know the definition of standing your ground.

I would like to see more specifics from Romney on his plans, but I wouldn't expect that from the debate. But I'd love to see it drawn up on his website or published somewhere.

You won't see specifics 'cause they don't exist.  Romney’s policy positions are even more of a shambles now than they were previously. Romney’s position, over and over again, is to simply bluff it on policy. His tax plan continues to be the most obvious one, but it really happens across the board. Romney insisted last night more than once that his tax plan will keep taxes the same for the wealthy, cut them for everyone else, and not add to the deficit. Forget about what the Tax Policy Center has said; just that much is obviously incoherent and impossible. And, more to the point, it’s clear he’s going to keep on insisting that it adds up, no matter how clearly it doesn’t. But it’s not just that; on every policy, he’s just going to insist that the consequences of his plans that anyone might not like simply don’t exist, so that he’s for sweeping spending cuts but insists that no particular program that anyone brings up might lose any funding, or that he’s for repealing Obamacare but those with pre-existing conditions will magically be protected.
The debates strike me as just a formality. I'm not concerned on who was the better debater. The media talking heads can bounce around the debates all they want. It can be enjoyable (watch Biden vs Ryan......this will be wild) but the choices are cut and dry.
I know who I want, who I can believe in.
For all that many people today feel Romney accomplished last night, the simple Obama ad of the 47% recording (with no additional narrative) has sealed the Presidents re election.
Statistically, with Romney appealing to just over 20% of Hispanic voters, Florida is electorally the Presidents.
Democracy is TERRIBLE!  But its the best we got!  W.S. Churchill