Trade freedom for security?

[If_I_Loved_you]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

[Adam W]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

[ben says]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Huh...? Do you have ANY concept/notion of pre-9/11 history? If you did, you'd probably realize we've been "slipping away" for decades...

Not to mention Reagan was too brain-dead/not-all-there to write anything with substance. The above-mentioned quote was definitely written by a speech writer...

[Pinky]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Huh...? Do you have ANY concept/notion of pre-9/11 history? If you did, you'd probably realize we've been "slipping away" for decades...

Not to mention Reagan was too brain-dead/not-all-there to write anything with substance. The above-mentioned quote was definitely written by a speech writer...

Peggy Noonan, to be precise.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Noonan

Wow, she's quite the overachiever if she wrote that speech in 1964 at age 14!

[If_I_Loved_you]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

[ben says]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

Adam W doesn't strike me as one who watches Fox News...

[If_I_Loved_you]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

Adam W doesn't strike me as one who watches Fox News...

I bet he is a closet Fox News Fan?

[Adam W]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

Adam W doesn't strike me as one who watches Fox News...

I bet he is a closet Fox News Fan?

I don't watch Fox News (and don't have access to it). I was referring to your post on another thread, in which you said the film maker should be jailed. I also understand that the US gov't now believes the attack in Benghazi was planned ahead of the rioting. But that information was not known when the thread was started and we all found out about it at the same time - heck, it was even posted IN the thread! Even a Fox News viewer would've known 

And it's worth noting that the rioting in Egypt is still being linked to the movie and is not linked to the unrest in Benghazi. In fact, it has been speculated that the rioting in Benghazi may have been independent of the attack and may have been used as cover by the people who planned the attack on the Consulate. So the rioting in Benghazi may indeed have been linked to the movie (regardless of whether the attack on the Consulate was a pre-planned operation).

I may not watch Fox News, but it would seem that I might at least be as informed as you. Maybe *gasp* even a little more?

[If_I_Loved_you]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

Adam W doesn't strike me as one who watches Fox News...

I bet he is a closet Fox News Fan?

I don't watch Fox News (and don't have access to it). I was referring to your post on another thread, in which you said the film maker should be jailed. I also understand that the US gov't now believes the attack in Benghazi was planned ahead of the rioting. But that information was not known when the thread was started and we all found out about it at the same time - heck, it was even posted IN the thread! Even a Fox News viewer would've known 

And it's worth noting that the rioting in Egypt is still being linked to the movie and is not linked to the unrest in Benghazi. In fact, it has been speculated that the rioting in Benghazi may have been independent of the attack and may have been used as cover by the people who planned the attack on the Consulate. So the rioting in Benghazi may indeed have been linked to the movie (regardless of whether the attack on the Consulate was a pre-planned operation).

I may not watch Fox News, but it would seem that I might at least be as informed as you. Maybe *gasp* even a little more?

Depending on the subject you may be a little more informed then I. But the real question is do I care? 

[ben says]

You should......

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

You should......

Why?  I thought that's why we had these guys:

[Adam W]

“I made a speech by that title [A Time for Choosing] in 1964. I said, "We've been told increasingly that we must choose between left or right." But we're still using those terms -- left or right. And I'll repeat what I said then in '64. "There is no left or right. There's only an up or down": up to the ultimate in individual freedom, consistent with an orderly society -- or down to the totalitarianism of the ant heap. And those today who, however good their intentions, tell us that we should trade freedom for security are on that downward path.”
Ronald Reagan quotes (American 40th US President (1981- 89), 1911-2004)

Here is why I a Liberal Democrat voted for RR in 1980 and 1984. I didn't care for all what RR stood for but since September 11th 2001 I have felt America slipping away. 

Setting aside the absurdity of voting for Ronald Reagan based solely on a quote, aren't you the same person who advocated (or at least mooted) jailing the film maker who made the anti-Muslim film that has caused the recent unrest in North Africa?

If that isn't "trading freedom for security," I don't know what is   

If you would look at something other then Fox news Adam W. the unrest in North Africa looks as this attack was planned ahead before the film came out. And I did change my mind on maybe jailing the film maker is this a crime. I also said I didn't care for everything RR stood for. But you left that out didn't you.

Adam W doesn't strike me as one who watches Fox News...

I bet he is a closet Fox News Fan?

I don't watch Fox News (and don't have access to it). I was referring to your post on another thread, in which you said the film maker should be jailed. I also understand that the US gov't now believes the attack in Benghazi was planned ahead of the rioting. But that information was not known when the thread was started and we all found out about it at the same time - heck, it was even posted IN the thread! Even a Fox News viewer would've known 

And it's worth noting that the rioting in Egypt is still being linked to the movie and is not linked to the unrest in Benghazi. In fact, it has been speculated that the rioting in Benghazi may have been independent of the attack and may have been used as cover by the people who planned the attack on the Consulate. So the rioting in Benghazi may indeed have been linked to the movie (regardless of whether the attack on the Consulate was a pre-planned operation).

I may not watch Fox News, but it would seem that I might at least be as informed as you. Maybe *gasp* even a little more?

Depending on the subject you may be a little more informed then I. But the real question is do I care? 

Dude, I'm only saying that you insulted me and called me a Fox News viewer and tried to act like I wasn't up on the news in this case - and maybe I know as much about it as you. Maybe more, but easily as much.

No need to get stroppy because I pointed out that you started a thread about the dangers of trading freedom for security almost immediately after stating (on another thread) that we might want to jail the film maker who made the offending film.

You've got to appreciate the irony.

[NotNow]

Hey, hey, stop it!  You guys are fellow Obama worshipers!  Now hold hands and watch MSNBC.   And no more reading anything Ronald Reagan wrote, you might hurt yourselves... 

[If_I_Loved_you]

Hey, hey, stop it!  You guys are fellow Obama worshipers!  Now hold hands and watch MSNBC.   And no more reading anything Ronald Reagan wrote, you might hurt yourselves... 

“I believe Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was. . . a large Arctic region covered with ice.”
Steve Martin quotes (American Comedian, Writer, Producer, Actor and Musician. b.1945)

[If_I_Loved_you]

You should......

Nope........