Bush White House Was Deaf to 9-11 Warnings.

[BridgeTroll]

So, the president who was in office when America was attacked, who had been handed warning specifically about the kind of attack which actually took place, by the individual named in the warning gets criticized.

You helpfully try and make some belabored point about how a previous president of a different party was actually responsible for this gross negligence, and you think finehoe is being partisan?

Maybe you should back that projector up there, Bridge Troll.

Agree.

BT, by your own logic, if Clinton is "more responsible" than Bush, than Bush I was more responsible than Clinton, and Reagan was more responsible than Bush I, and Carter was more responsible than Reagan...you see where this leads? Nowhere.....

Sigh...  What I said was... the article is one sided.  I don't think Clinton was more responsible.  I also don't think Bush was blameless.  This sad episode goes back 20 years for chrissake.  Do you honestly believe had Al Gore been president he would have been able to stop it?  Someone here even blamed Reagan for "creating obl".  If we want to have a discussion regarding breakdowns within the national security apparatus and intelligence gathering, acting and not acting on the data lets do it... there is plenty of blame to go around.

We find out at the time... CIA and FBI were forbidden to collaborate and share information.  This didn't just happen when Bush took office... it had been in place for a Loooong time.  Bush fixed that BTW...

We find out there was virtually no mechanism in place to coordinate a counter to this sort of attack via communication channels.  The FAA and various civilian authorities had great difficulty communicating with the Air Force and vice versa. F-16's were not scrambled until after the second plane hit... and were vectored all over the east coast in a futile effort to intercept the last two. This has also been fixed.

There were also security issues at airports, immigration, visa, passport... etc.

We have been reminded over the years... of the problems related to "connecting the dots".  Sometimes the dots connect very easily... after the fact.  Other times it shows that dots can be connected that reveal a faulty conclusion. 

Clinton looked at the "dots" presented to him and decided not to take action.  Bush looked at the "dots" provided him... and also took no action.

Had the article... or finehoe... or stephen acknowledge ANY of these things there really would be no argument.  Please tho... feel free to continue to blame Bush for this attack... I know it makes you all feel better... and really... that's what it is all about...

[finehoe]

I don't think Clinton was more responsible. 

Yet you said

Worse yet... Bill Clinton had multiple opportunities to either kill or arrest Bin laden...

Saying that it was worse for Clinton not to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan than it was for Bush to ignore the CIA warnings of an impending attack on US soil certainly sounds like you think his was the greater failing.

The fact of the matter is Bush was president when the CIA noted this and had the intelligence been taken at face value, and acted upon, at the very least some of the mass murderers - two of whom had been arrested or stopped and released - would have been removed.

[fsquid]

sad to think that the whole thing might have been prevented.

[BridgeTroll]

I don't think Clinton was more responsible. 

Yet you said

Worse yet... Bill Clinton had multiple opportunities to either kill or arrest Bin laden...

Saying that it was worse for Clinton not to go after bin Laden in Afghanistan than it was for Bush to ignore the CIA warnings of an impending attack on US soil certainly sounds like you think his was the greater failing.

The fact of the matter is Bush was president when the CIA noted this and had the intelligence been taken at face value, and acted upon, at the very least some of the mass murderers - two of whom had been arrested or stopped and released - would have been removed.

That was in response to your predictably one sided article... you are so famous for.  My responce may have been a bit of an exaggeration... but I also said...

That article and your version ... are typically one sided.  The truth is... the "blame" for this attack falls exclusively on obl and his minions.  I suppose if you insist on blaming Bush for 9-11 you can also go ahead and blame FDR for Pearl Harbor as there were plenty of indications that was going to happen also.

[finehoe]

That was in response to your predictably one sided article... you are so famous for. 

The article was about specific intelligence presented to the Bush Administration before 9/11.  If it doesn't talk about something that happened ten years prior, that doesn't mean it is "one sided".  Not everyone shares your propensity for false equivalency.  Talk about predictable.

[BridgeTroll]

That was in response to your predictably one sided article... you are so famous for. 

The article was about specific intelligence presented to the Bush Administration before 9/11.  If it doesn't talk about something that happened ten years prior, that doesn't mean it is "one sided".  Not everyone shares your propensity for false equivalency.  Talk about predictable.

Just showing you I can be as blindly partisan as you are... if I need to.

So are you now ready to talk about Alllllllllllllllllll the failures of our government leading up to and including the attack?  Or are you content with the "Bush did it thesis"?  If content... that is fine... I moved on long ago...

[finehoe]

Just showing you I can be as blindly partisan as you are... if I need to.

Oh, that's been shown over and over again.

So are you now ready to talk about Alllllllllllllllllll the failures of our government leading up to and including the attack?  Or are you content with the "Bush did it thesis"?

The name of the thread I started is "Bush White House Was Deaf to 9-11 Warnings".  If you want to expand the topic, start your own thread.

[BridgeTroll]

lol... thought so...

[finehoe]

lol... thought so...

Well, any discussion of governmental failures in this matter would be an affront to the victims. [cue crocodile tears]

[BridgeTroll]

That was in response to your predictably one sided article... you are so famous for. 

The article was about specific intelligence presented to the Bush Administration before 9/11.  If it doesn't talk about something that happened ten years prior, that doesn't mean it is "one sided".  Not everyone shares your propensity for false equivalency.  Talk about predictable.

Just showing you I can be as blindly partisan as you are... if I need to.

So are you now ready to talk about Alllllllllllllllllll the failures of our government leading up to and including the attack?  Or are you content with the "Bush did it thesis"?  If content... that is fine... I moved on long ago...

This is nonsense.  Under this theory, it isnt possible to identify and potentially solve any problem.

This is the reasoning that powers the gridlock that has shut down our civiv instiutions Bridge Troll and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Your right... I am certainly ashamed... that I took finehoe's bait... and even got into this discussion with either of you.

[ben says]

That was in response to your predictably one sided article... you are so famous for. 

The article was about specific intelligence presented to the Bush Administration before 9/11.  If it doesn't talk about something that happened ten years prior, that doesn't mean it is "one sided".  Not everyone shares your propensity for false equivalency.  Talk about predictable.

Just showing you I can be as blindly partisan as you are... if I need to.

So are you now ready to talk about Alllllllllllllllllll the failures of our government leading up to and including the attack?  Or are you content with the "Bush did it thesis"?  If content... that is fine... I moved on long ago...

This is nonsense.  Under this theory, it isnt possible to identify and potentially solve any problem.

This is the reasoning that powers the gridlock that has shut down our civiv instiutions Bridge Troll and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Amen