Just a reminder about who runs our city

[mtraininjax]

Please.  Someone.  Run against Lumb.

Stephen, is this your pulpit to discuss your desire to run?

I'd vote for you, hell, I'd even campaign for you to win. I don't always agree with you on your posts and ideas, but I respect that you use what God gave you between your ears and that you use it, which is more than we can say for most council members.

Jack

[Debbie Thompson]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

[JeffreyS]

^Yes they just don't understand Christianity.  Treat others like you want to be treated.

[simms3]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

Greg Anderson of St. Mark's Episcopal voted for the substitute, but unfortunately was among the 17 who voted against the original.  The Episcopal church is usually thoroughly filled with very liberal people, and the only "real" Episcopal church in town is Church of the Good Shepherd in Riverside.  St. Mark's has its share, and I know the priests there are liberal, but with that congregation I'm sure the bill wasn't even mentioned.

Religion aside (we all know everyone in Jax thinks they are soo Christian so screw the Muslims, screw the Atheists, screw the Gays, screw the liberals because Jesus would never have been a liberal) there are only two Democrats out of 19 city council members: Warren Jones and Denise Lee, and they are black so it's almost to be expected.  There are no white liberals and there are even black conservatives on CC.  Now that's a conservative city!  Oklahoma City is starting to look really really progressive in contrast.

[thelakelander]

It's not even a contest. Oklahoma City is very progressive in terms of investing in itself. Tearing down freeways for more downtown green space, building a San Antonio Riverwalk style canal because they didn't have water downtown, moving forward with funding a streetcar without federal dollars.  Where we make excuses, they implement.

a video about OKC's locally funded $130 million streetcar starter: http://www.news9.com/story/17861428/plans-unveiled-for-downtown-okc-streetcar-system

[fsquid]

They evidently know where their bread is butteerred. 

[Tacachale]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

Greg Anderson of St. Mark's Episcopal voted for the substitute, but unfortunately was among the 17 who voted against the original.  The Episcopal church is usually thoroughly filled with very liberal people, and the only "real" Episcopal church in town is Church of the Good Shepherd in Riverside.  St. Mark's has its share, and I know the priests there are liberal, but with that congregation I'm sure the bill wasn't even mentioned.

Religion aside (we all know everyone in Jax thinks they are soo Christian so screw the Muslims, screw the Atheists, screw the Gays, screw the liberals because Jesus would never have been a liberal) there are only two Democrats out of 19 city council members: Warren Jones and Denise Lee, and they are black so it's almost to be expected.  There are no white liberals and there are even black conservatives on CC.  Now that's a conservative city!  Oklahoma City is starting to look really really progressive in contrast.

Nice try, but there are 6 democrats on the City Council, five are black and one, Crescimbeni, is white. 

And while many Episcopalians are progressive on LGBT issues, it's a very big and conservative leaning tent, and the issue literally split the church in two a few years ago. There are plenty of "real" Episcopal churches in Jacksonville.

[Tacachale]

One council member who deserves mention is Richard Clark, a First Baptist member who was a strong supporter of the ordinance. Despite his church's very public stance on this issue and the embarrassing spectacle captured in this video, and the fact he had absolutely nothing to gain from it politically, he still did the right thing. He should be commended for that.

[simms3]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

Greg Anderson of St. Mark's Episcopal voted for the substitute, but unfortunately was among the 17 who voted against the original.  The Episcopal church is usually thoroughly filled with very liberal people, and the only "real" Episcopal church in town is Church of the Good Shepherd in Riverside.  St. Mark's has its share, and I know the priests there are liberal, but with that congregation I'm sure the bill wasn't even mentioned.

Religion aside (we all know everyone in Jax thinks they are soo Christian so screw the Muslims, screw the Atheists, screw the Gays, screw the liberals because Jesus would never have been a liberal) there are only two Democrats out of 19 city council members: Warren Jones and Denise Lee, and they are black so it's almost to be expected.  There are no white liberals and there are even black conservatives on CC.  Now that's a conservative city!  Oklahoma City is starting to look really really progressive in contrast.

Nice try, but there are 6 democrats on the City Council, five are black and one, Crescimbeni, is white. 

And while many Episcopalians are progressive on LGBT issues, it's a very big and conservative leaning tent, and the issue literally split the church in two a few years ago. There are plenty of "real" Episcopal churches in Jacksonville.

I know you love to argue everything I say and it's clear we would probably not get along, but you did a horrible job this time.  Yes I should have better distinguished Democrat from liberal and specified that out of six Democrats only two voted for this civil rights bill, and of course none of the 13 Republicans did.  Tell me though since you have opened a new can of worms, who are the liberals on CC in Jacksonville?  I was not aware there were any, maybe 1-3 tops.

And RE: Episcopal Church, dioceses and concregations representing about 100,000 broke off from a church in the US of 2.3 million.  Just to put the "split" into perspective.  Yes it was scandalous and many a service I attended referenced the split, both before and after, but when you look at the numbers it was no big deal at all.  Congregations as a whole in Jacksonville at least moderately conservative with the most liberal and only truly gay friendly congregation being that of Good Shepherd in Riverside go figure, but most of the priests in Jacksonville are still highly intellectual and are progressively liberal themselves.  This is amplified in the congregations elsewhere.  Of the major Christian denominations, the Episcopal Church in the US is the only one that can truly call itself a liberal church.  It is the Reform Judaism of Christianity, and always has been considering its beginnings as a church so the king of England could divorce his many wives.

Back to topic, since the black community votes almost exclusively Democrat (but not necessarily liberal) do we even count the 5 black CC members as Democrats since it is to be expected?  There is only 1 white Democrat and he repeatedly campaigns on holding true to conservative principles and can't be regarded as a liberal Democrat.  When Jacksonville starts electing members who actually campaign on "progressive" issues like smoking bans, gun control, gay rights, recycling programs, social welfare programs, afforable housing acts, the Mobility Fee, public transportation, etc etc then come back and tell me Jacksonville is actually pretty liberal/progressive.

[Ocklawaha]

It's not even a contest. Oklahoma City is very progressive in terms of investing in itself. Tearing down freeways for more downtown green space, building a San Antonio Riverwalk style canal because they didn't have water downtown, moving forward with funding a streetcar without federal dollars.  Where we make excuses, they implement.

a video about OKC's locally funded $130 million streetcar starter: http://www.news9.com/story/17861428/plans-unveiled-for-downtown-okc-streetcar-system

Oklahoma City is also FAR MORE educated then Jacksonville, within the city limits are:


Southern Nazarene University
A private, 4-year institution, Southern Nazarene University is affiliated with the Church of the Nazarene and located in Bethany, Oklahoma - The school offers Associate, Undergraduate and Graduate Degrees.

Oklahoma Baptist University
Shawnee's Oklahoma Baptist University is a private Christian university established in 1910 and owned by the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma - The school's downtown Oklahoma City campus is located in the Deep Deuce (Historic black area known for it's Jazz roots) area and houses the OBU International Graduate School.

Oklahoma State University - Oklahoma City
There is a branch of Stillwater's Oklahoma State University located just west of downtown Oklahoma City - (OSU-OKC was once known as Oklahoma State University Technical Institute but OU transfer students couldn't spell it) offers over 40 degrees and certificates available.

Oklahoma Christian University
Oklahoma Christian University is a private 4-year institution affiliated with the Church of Christ and located in north Oklahoma City and Edmond - It was founded originally as a 2 year Bartlesville Oklahoma college in 1950 called Central Christian College before relocating to Oklahoma City as Oklahoma Christian University in the late 1950's.

University of Oklahoma
The University of Oklahoma was founded in Norman in 1890 and is one of the state's premiere public 4-year institutions (founded primarily for those that couldn't get into OSU!) - The school is well-know nationally for its academics and Sooners athletic programs as well as a long list of distinguished alumni. Medical School teaching campus on the east side of downtown.

University of Central Oklahoma
The University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond (north side of OKC area) has known many names since opening as the Territorial Normal School in 1890 - UCO is renowned as one of the state's better institutions for education training and is currently the 3rd largest school in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City Community College
Oklahoma City Community College (OCCC) was founded in 1972 and is one of the larger community colleges in the region as far as enrollment - Here's a profile of the school with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment.

Redlands Community College
Redlands Community College in El Reno, Oklahoma was founded in and is - Here's a profile of Redlands Community College with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment. Location just west of OKC.

Rose State College
Rose State College was founded in 1970 and originally named Oscar Rose Junior College after the former Midwest City-Del City Superintendent of Schools - It is a public institution with an open admission policy - Rose State primarily offers associate degrees and university transfer education to a current enrollment of nearly 9,000 as well as on-site courses at both Tinker Air Force Base and the University of Central Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City University
A fairly small, urban private school, Oklahoma City University was founded pre-statehood in 1904 and is one of the more respected universities in the state, ranking as the only one listed in U.S. News and World Report's best master's level institutions in the region - Affiliated with the United Methodist Church, the university is also routinely listed among the best Christian universities.

Langston University - OKC Campus
A land grant historically Black institution of higher learning, (dating from the historic land runs) will continue its rich tradition of developing leaders from a diverse, multi-cultural student body through excellent teaching, research, community service and public and private sector partnerships.

Southwestern College
Midwest City's Southwestern College campus has various degree programs, located in the east side of the OKC metro.

Southwestern Christian University
Bethany's Southwestern Christian College has various degree programs, located in Bethany, a neighborhood on the west side of OKC.

University of Phoenix - Oklahoma City
The University of Phoenix's Oklahoma City campus has various typical degree programs.

Mid-America Christian University
Mid-America Christian University has various degree programs, located in OKC.

[Tacachale]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

Greg Anderson of St. Mark's Episcopal voted for the substitute, but unfortunately was among the 17 who voted against the original.  The Episcopal church is usually thoroughly filled with very liberal people, and the only "real" Episcopal church in town is Church of the Good Shepherd in Riverside.  St. Mark's has its share, and I know the priests there are liberal, but with that congregation I'm sure the bill wasn't even mentioned.

Religion aside (we all know everyone in Jax thinks they are soo Christian so screw the Muslims, screw the Atheists, screw the Gays, screw the liberals because Jesus would never have been a liberal) there are only two Democrats out of 19 city council members: Warren Jones and Denise Lee, and they are black so it's almost to be expected.  There are no white liberals and there are even black conservatives on CC.  Now that's a conservative city!  Oklahoma City is starting to look really really progressive in contrast.

Nice try, but there are 6 democrats on the City Council, five are black and one, Crescimbeni, is white. 

And while many Episcopalians are progressive on LGBT issues, it's a very big and conservative leaning tent, and the issue literally split the church in two a few years ago. There are plenty of "real" Episcopal churches in Jacksonville.

I know you love to argue everything I say and it's clear we would probably not get along, but you did a horrible job this time.  Yes I should have better distinguished Democrat from liberal and specified that out of six Democrats only two voted for this civil rights bill, and of course none of the 13 Republicans did.  Tell me though since you have opened a new can of worms, who are the liberals on CC in Jacksonville?  I was not aware there were any, maybe 1-3 tops.

And RE: Episcopal Church, dioceses and concregations representing about 100,000 broke off from a church in the US of 2.3 million.  Just to put the "split" into perspective.  Yes it was scandalous and many a service I attended referenced the split, both before and after, but when you look at the numbers it was no big deal at all.  Congregations as a whole in Jacksonville at least moderately conservative with the most liberal and only truly gay friendly congregation being that of Good Shepherd in Riverside go figure, but most of the priests in Jacksonville are still highly intellectual and are progressively liberal themselves.  This is amplified in the congregations elsewhere.  Of the major Christian denominations, the Episcopal Church in the US is the only one that can truly call itself a liberal church.  It is the Reform Judaism of Christianity, and always has been considering its beginnings as a church so the king of England could divorce his many wives.

Back to topic, since the black community votes almost exclusively Democrat (but not necessarily liberal) do we even count the 5 black CC members as Democrats since it is to be expected?  There is only 1 white Democrat and he repeatedly campaigns on holding true to conservative principles and can't be regarded as a liberal Democrat.  When Jacksonville starts electing members who actually campaign on "progressive" issues like smoking bans, gun control, gay rights, recycling programs, social welfare programs, afforable housing acts, the Mobility Fee, public transportation, etc etc then come back and tell me Jacksonville is actually pretty liberal/progressive.

I only take special pleasure in arguing your points when you say false things with a naive air of rectitude. You should take it as a compliment that other people think enough of your intellect to take the time to debate you.

As to your statements, regardless of what you meant, you said there are only two Democrats on the council, when in reality there are six. Additionally, while only two Democrats voted for the unpassable stronger version of the bill, three of them voted for the revised version, along with six Republicans (not none).

As for who's a "real" Democrat, clearly it depends on what your idea of what a real Democrat is, as well as the particular issue at hand. For example, Gaffney had always been progressive on LGBT issues before this vote (he even voted for the stronger version of this bill in committee, before voting against the weaker version later), making his flip-flopping all the more astonishing. In a city that skews this conservative, and with such a fragmented Democratic party, I don't think we'll see really liberal Democrats get elected anytime soon. At the same time, there are plenty of hard-right Republicans who don't consider moderates "real" Republicans either.

The embarrassing spectacle presented in the video above gives a good indication as to why things are as they are in these parts.

[simms3]

Just so you know, there were many Christians, in many churches, that supported the ordinance.

Greg Anderson of St. Mark's Episcopal voted for the substitute, but unfortunately was among the 17 who voted against the original.  The Episcopal church is usually thoroughly filled with very liberal people, and the only "real" Episcopal church in town is Church of the Good Shepherd in Riverside.  St. Mark's has its share, and I know the priests there are liberal, but with that congregation I'm sure the bill wasn't even mentioned.

Religion aside (we all know everyone in Jax thinks they are soo Christian so screw the Muslims, screw the Atheists, screw the Gays, screw the liberals because Jesus would never have been a liberal) there are only two Democrats out of 19 city council members: Warren Jones and Denise Lee, and they are black so it's almost to be expected.  There are no white liberals and there are even black conservatives on CC.  Now that's a conservative city!  Oklahoma City is starting to look really really progressive in contrast.

Nice try, but there are 6 democrats on the City Council, five are black and one, Crescimbeni, is white. 

And while many Episcopalians are progressive on LGBT issues, it's a very big and conservative leaning tent, and the issue literally split the church in two a few years ago. There are plenty of "real" Episcopal churches in Jacksonville.

I know you love to argue everything I say and it's clear we would probably not get along, but you did a horrible job this time.  Yes I should have better distinguished Democrat from liberal and specified that out of six Democrats only two voted for this civil rights bill, and of course none of the 13 Republicans did.  Tell me though since you have opened a new can of worms, who are the liberals on CC in Jacksonville?  I was not aware there were any, maybe 1-3 tops.

And RE: Episcopal Church, dioceses and concregations representing about 100,000 broke off from a church in the US of 2.3 million.  Just to put the "split" into perspective.  Yes it was scandalous and many a service I attended referenced the split, both before and after, but when you look at the numbers it was no big deal at all.  Congregations as a whole in Jacksonville at least moderately conservative with the most liberal and only truly gay friendly congregation being that of Good Shepherd in Riverside go figure, but most of the priests in Jacksonville are still highly intellectual and are progressively liberal themselves.  This is amplified in the congregations elsewhere.  Of the major Christian denominations, the Episcopal Church in the US is the only one that can truly call itself a liberal church.  It is the Reform Judaism of Christianity, and always has been considering its beginnings as a church so the king of England could divorce his many wives.

Back to topic, since the black community votes almost exclusively Democrat (but not necessarily liberal) do we even count the 5 black CC members as Democrats since it is to be expected?  There is only 1 white Democrat and he repeatedly campaigns on holding true to conservative principles and can't be regarded as a liberal Democrat.  When Jacksonville starts electing members who actually campaign on "progressive" issues like smoking bans, gun control, gay rights, recycling programs, social welfare programs, afforable housing acts, the Mobility Fee, public transportation, etc etc then come back and tell me Jacksonville is actually pretty liberal/progressive.

As to your statements, regardless of what you meant, you said there are only two Democrats on the council, when in reality there are six. Additionally, while only two Democrats voted for the unpassable stronger version of the bill, three of them voted for the revised version, along with six Republicans (not none).

Fair enough, I tend to type really fast and often mean something totally different than what I type (obviously there are 6 democrats on council out of 19 members).  In this case with my reference to the bill and the two members' names who voted for it, it was pretty obvious I simply meant to say only two members who happened to be Democrats voted for the bill.  Help with clarity from your more precise language would be helpful the next time this happens, thanks.

[thelakelander]

It's not even a contest. Oklahoma City is very progressive in terms of investing in itself. Tearing down freeways for more downtown green space, building a San Antonio Riverwalk style canal because they didn't have water downtown, moving forward with funding a streetcar without federal dollars.  Where we make excuses, they implement.

a video about OKC's locally funded $130 million streetcar starter: http://www.news9.com/story/17861428/plans-unveiled-for-downtown-okc-streetcar-system

Oklahoma City is also FAR MORE educated then Jacksonville, within the city limits are:


Southern Nazarene University
A private, 4-year institution, Southern Nazarene University is affiliated with the Church of the Nazarene and located in Bethany, Oklahoma - The school offers Associate, Undergraduate and Graduate Degrees.

Oklahoma Baptist University
Shawnee's Oklahoma Baptist University is a private Christian university established in 1910 and owned by the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma - The school's downtown Oklahoma City campus is located in the Deep Deuce (Historic black area known for it's Jazz roots) area and houses the OBU International Graduate School.

Oklahoma State University - Oklahoma City
There is a branch of Stillwater's Oklahoma State University located just west of downtown Oklahoma City - (OSU-OKC was once known as Oklahoma State University Technical Institute but OU transfer students couldn't spell it) offers over 40 degrees and certificates available.

Oklahoma Christian University
Oklahoma Christian University is a private 4-year institution affiliated with the Church of Christ and located in north Oklahoma City and Edmond - It was founded originally as a 2 year Bartlesville Oklahoma college in 1950 called Central Christian College before relocating to Oklahoma City as Oklahoma Christian University in the late 1950's.

University of Oklahoma
The University of Oklahoma was founded in Norman in 1890 and is one of the state's premiere public 4-year institutions (founded primarily for those that couldn't get into OSU!) - The school is well-know nationally for its academics and Sooners athletic programs as well as a long list of distinguished alumni. Medical School teaching campus on the east side of downtown.

University of Central Oklahoma
The University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond (north side of OKC area) has known many names since opening as the Territorial Normal School in 1890 - UCO is renowned as one of the state's better institutions for education training and is currently the 3rd largest school in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City Community College
Oklahoma City Community College (OCCC) was founded in 1972 and is one of the larger community colleges in the region as far as enrollment - Here's a profile of the school with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment.

Redlands Community College
Redlands Community College in El Reno, Oklahoma was founded in and is - Here's a profile of Redlands Community College with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment. Location just west of OKC.

Rose State College
Rose State College was founded in 1970 and originally named Oscar Rose Junior College after the former Midwest City-Del City Superintendent of Schools - It is a public institution with an open admission policy - Rose State primarily offers associate degrees and university transfer education to a current enrollment of nearly 9,000 as well as on-site courses at both Tinker Air Force Base and the University of Central Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City University
A fairly small, urban private school, Oklahoma City University was founded pre-statehood in 1904 and is one of the more respected universities in the state, ranking as the only one listed in U.S. News and World Report's best master's level institutions in the region - Affiliated with the United Methodist Church, the university is also routinely listed among the best Christian universities.

Langston University - OKC Campus
A land grant historically Black institution of higher learning, (dating from the historic land runs) will continue its rich tradition of developing leaders from a diverse, multi-cultural student body through excellent teaching, research, community service and public and private sector partnerships.

Southwestern College
Midwest City's Southwestern College campus has various degree programs, located in the east side of the OKC metro.

Southwestern Christian University
Bethany's Southwestern Christian College has various degree programs, located in Bethany, a neighborhood on the west side of OKC.

University of Phoenix - Oklahoma City
The University of Phoenix's Oklahoma City campus has various typical degree programs.

Mid-America Christian University
Mid-America Christian University has various degree programs, located in OKC.

For comparison's sake, what are the schools in Jacksonville? 

[fsujax]

You guys think FBC is the only church that runs this city? you seem to forget the other mega churches such as: Westside Baptist Church, North Jacksonville, New Life Christian Fellowhip, Christ Church, Bethel Baptist, Titus Harvest Dome, Evangel Temple, etc.....it isnt only the members of FBC contacting City Council to influence thier votes.

[Tacachale]

It's not even a contest. Oklahoma City is very progressive in terms of investing in itself. Tearing down freeways for more downtown green space, building a San Antonio Riverwalk style canal because they didn't have water downtown, moving forward with funding a streetcar without federal dollars.  Where we make excuses, they implement.

a video about OKC's locally funded $130 million streetcar starter: http://www.news9.com/story/17861428/plans-unveiled-for-downtown-okc-streetcar-system

Oklahoma City is also FAR MORE educated then Jacksonville, within the city limits are:


Southern Nazarene University
A private, 4-year institution, Southern Nazarene University is affiliated with the Church of the Nazarene and located in Bethany, Oklahoma - The school offers Associate, Undergraduate and Graduate Degrees.

Oklahoma Baptist University
Shawnee's Oklahoma Baptist University is a private Christian university established in 1910 and owned by the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma - The school's downtown Oklahoma City campus is located in the Deep Deuce (Historic black area known for it's Jazz roots) area and houses the OBU International Graduate School.

Oklahoma State University - Oklahoma City
There is a branch of Stillwater's Oklahoma State University located just west of downtown Oklahoma City - (OSU-OKC was once known as Oklahoma State University Technical Institute but OU transfer students couldn't spell it) offers over 40 degrees and certificates available.

Oklahoma Christian University
Oklahoma Christian University is a private 4-year institution affiliated with the Church of Christ and located in north Oklahoma City and Edmond - It was founded originally as a 2 year Bartlesville Oklahoma college in 1950 called Central Christian College before relocating to Oklahoma City as Oklahoma Christian University in the late 1950's.

University of Oklahoma
The University of Oklahoma was founded in Norman in 1890 and is one of the state's premiere public 4-year institutions (founded primarily for those that couldn't get into OSU!) - The school is well-know nationally for its academics and Sooners athletic programs as well as a long list of distinguished alumni. Medical School teaching campus on the east side of downtown.

University of Central Oklahoma
The University of Central Oklahoma in Edmond (north side of OKC area) has known many names since opening as the Territorial Normal School in 1890 - UCO is renowned as one of the state's better institutions for education training and is currently the 3rd largest school in Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City Community College
Oklahoma City Community College (OCCC) was founded in 1972 and is one of the larger community colleges in the region as far as enrollment - Here's a profile of the school with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment.

Redlands Community College
Redlands Community College in El Reno, Oklahoma was founded in and is - Here's a profile of Redlands Community College with academic information and details on tuition and enrollment. Location just west of OKC.

Rose State College
Rose State College was founded in 1970 and originally named Oscar Rose Junior College after the former Midwest City-Del City Superintendent of Schools - It is a public institution with an open admission policy - Rose State primarily offers associate degrees and university transfer education to a current enrollment of nearly 9,000 as well as on-site courses at both Tinker Air Force Base and the University of Central Oklahoma.

Oklahoma City University
A fairly small, urban private school, Oklahoma City University was founded pre-statehood in 1904 and is one of the more respected universities in the state, ranking as the only one listed in U.S. News and World Report's best master's level institutions in the region - Affiliated with the United Methodist Church, the university is also routinely listed among the best Christian universities.

Langston University - OKC Campus
A land grant historically Black institution of higher learning, (dating from the historic land runs) will continue its rich tradition of developing leaders from a diverse, multi-cultural student body through excellent teaching, research, community service and public and private sector partnerships.

Southwestern College
Midwest City's Southwestern College campus has various degree programs, located in the east side of the OKC metro.

Southwestern Christian University
Bethany's Southwestern Christian College has various degree programs, located in Bethany, a neighborhood on the west side of OKC.

University of Phoenix - Oklahoma City
The University of Phoenix's Oklahoma City campus has various typical degree programs.

Mid-America Christian University
Mid-America Christian University has various degree programs, located in OKC.

For comparison's sake, what are the schools in Jacksonville?

UNF, JU, Edward Waters College, and FSCJ (with several campuses and satellites) are within Jax. The UF also has the Shands campus, and there's Florida Coastal School of Law. Also in the metro are Flagler College and St. Johns River State College, with three campuses and the Florida School of the Arts. Like OKC and elsewhere we also have a wide selection of dubious for-profit colleges.

Overall, Florida has a substantial lack in college options compared to other states.