FOX NEWS onboard with Streetcars!

[Ocklawaha]

Well if FOX says it, IT MUST BE TRUE... at least in Jacksonville. Mayor Brown, I'm waiting for us to make this project a reality.

http://www.youtube.com/v/wQC_4YlrQrY?version=3&hl=en_US

...WHERE'S JACKSONVILLE?

[Elwood]

What's light rail? 

[jcjohnpaint]

wow if Fox News agrees... then this makes us the most conservative city in the world!

[Bill Hoff]

This may make it "safe" for local politicians to support it now if referenced effectively.

Or, it's Obama's fault.

[thelakelander]

Wow.  They are killing poor Tampa.  None of these systems make money through their operations only.  However, neither do any of the roads in those metropolitan areas either.  Where the money is made is through real estate development they stimulate.  I'm lost to why we don't understand this principle with mass transit but we'd sacrifice our first born child for an extra couple of highway lanes.

[simms3]

I love Fox New's "they say" approach, and their blurb about how "if there is enough police presence on cars" they can be successful.  Their audience truly is the sweatpant wearing crowd.

Still, I give them credit.  Now Republican politicians have some backing .

[thelakelander]

^LOL, I caught that "police" reference too.

[dougskiles]

Wow.  They are killing poor Tampa.  None of these systems make money through their operations only.  However, neither do any of the roads in those metropolitan areas either.  Where the money is made is through real estate development they stimulate.  I'm lost to why we don't understand this principle with mass transit but we'd sacrifice our first born child for an extra couple of highway lanes.

I am similarly confused.  There is a deep-seated hatred of anything associated with urban density that invokes some to think and act only through their reptilian cortex.

[Garden guy]

wow if Fox News agrees... then this makes us the most conservative city in the world!

Boy you pegged that one on the head...

[Captain Zissou]

Wow.  They are killing poor Tampa.  None of these systems make money through their operations only.  However, neither do any of the roads in those metropolitan areas either.  Where the money is made is through real estate development they stimulate.  I'm lost to why we don't understand this principle with mass transit but we'd sacrifice our first born child for an extra couple of highway lanes.

I am similarly confused.  There is a deep-seated hatred of anything associated with urban density that invokes some to think and act only through their reptilian cortex.

What I don't understand is that there are plenty of success stories in Jax that somehow get overlooked.  I think everyone in the city loves 1661 Riverside, The Villas at St Johns are very positive, and we will soon love 1234 Oak.  That is easily our densest quarter mile in town in terms of uses, number of residents, and people on the streets.  All three projects have been very successful and has created one of the most exciting ares in town.  This should be the model for new development from La Villa to 5 points and for North San Marco and Springfield, but we ignore the case studies in our own back yard.

[Ocklawaha]

What I can't understand is the lemming like charge over the cliff with BUS RAPID TRANSIT in the urban core. Now before someone accuses me of being 'anti' BRT, I'm not. True dedicated BRT, if we could find an economical way to implement it would be great along the Commodore Point, Beach, Arlington Expressway, JTB or Southside. But downtown, especially under our $200 million dollar monorail, as a development tool is generally useless. There is some merit in allowing a BRT spine to spear through downtown, this would work well if it is linked to commuter rail and crisscrossed by the Skyway, streetcar and circulator buses.

Streetcar in combination with the already planned BRT on Broad and Jefferson as well as streetscaping and rationalization of the Skyway downtown would set off a growth explosion... and this is based on FACTUAL case histories.