Roosevelt Square With RAIL TRANSIT? (HELP JASON???)

[Ocklawaha]

Okay, so I'm no windows system artist, but damn, I'm learning!

BTW, the station was stolen from Silmar, California, and reversed. JASON WHERE ARE YOU???

Ocklawaha

[thelakelander]

While the station could fit within the existing rail corridor ROW, it looks like a Park-n-Ride at that location would require the purchase of a few privately owned commercial properties.  I'd also say, it would be better for the community if the park-n-rides could become TOD sites with retail/office (could include residential above) buffering the parking lot from the surrounding streets.  Not only does this turn these station sites into community activity centers, its also a way to get back some of the money needed to construct such a rail system.

[second_pancake]

Can't help with the rail issue, but can help with the windows issue.

It looks like you're using Microsoft Paint to modify the image.  Try using PowerPoint if you have it.  I find it to be much more user-friendly and you don't have to worry about free-handing your lines as you can pretty much snap straight lines and pull curves without issue.  You can also adjust the width and color of your lines as you would in Paint.  Don't know if that helps or not.

[thelakelander]

The three properties removed are a Wendy's, a small restaurant/bar and a bank that was built in 2006.  Depending on the amount of parking needed in this location, a Park N Ride lot may be better off on the old warehouse properties (4525,4517 & 4531 Appleton and 2025 Hamilton) at the NE corner of Appleton & Hamilton Streets.  Combined, those tracts are 240' deep by 360' wide, meaning a surface lot could get 200 parking stalls and kiss & ride area for bus drop pick up/drop off.  Also, not having direct frontage on the corner of San Juan & Roosevelt would lessen the cost of land acquisition.

[Jason]

I'll see what I can throw together for ya Ock. 

[Ocklawaha]

Commuter Rail Station at Roosevelt, didn't mean that this WAS MY PLAN, just to give us an idea of what it might look like if we had the toys Los Angeles has to play with. I agree Lake, it should be more of a destination then what this image shows.

Thanks for the heads up on the Windows thing Second Pancake. I really have to get my Mac back up and running, just have to install some memory, Jaguar, and Airport Card...

Spent the morning on the Gateway line, not alongside the gateway line... ON IT! Found the cut-over from the "S" to the "NS" to be a JTA storage lot, and parking. They'd lose some of that, or at least a corner of it. The new school might lose a tiny corner, where there is some utility building Between the NS and old "S". Figure it could come into NS short of the concrete fence in the school yard, total loss, pie shaped, not even a small house size lot. The Swisher/21St Street Station is CITY and Port or RR land, no need to buy up anything for a nice parking lot - station complex. The Gateway Plaza Station, comes in alongside an "old" New Bank building. It has some local church name on the door, but 10 to 1, it's rented. The bank, it's drive through canopy and the curb would convert nicely into a local Transit Center, again, parking is already in place. NAS JAX/Yukon Station, is all City land, across from the main gate. Edgewood has parking in place in the center of the street and the sides, no need for a starter system to build more. FCCJ Kent, has massive parking in place, just needs a foot bridge. Checking City and State land records we could wipe out plans for any large land purchases. As you said, that could come along later.  I'm working on station costs, and have several ONE BUILDING designs coming in. The same folks that did the Orlando Lymmo and Disney Kiosks. Thinking about $40,000 each, plus platform and lights.  Still think we can pull this off and make the worlds fastest track-commuter rail system. Then bring on the BRT big money and Grants and lets dress it in velvet...

Ocklawaha

[thelakelander]

Spent the morning on the Gateway line, not alongside the gateway line... ON IT! Found the cut-over from the "S" to the "NS" to be a JTA storage lot, and parking. They'd lose some of that, or at least a corner of it. The new school might lose a tiny corner, where there is some utility building Between the NS and old "S". Figure it could come into NS short of the concrete fence in the school yard, total loss, pie shaped, not even a small house size lot.

No need to involve the school board.  The JEA maintanence yard off Pearl is owned by the city, as well as the vacant parcel of land, one block west on Boulevard, beween the old S-Line and NS tracks.  We can avoid the school altogether if the new track is made to curve from the old S-line ROW to run parallel NS's existing line via the city's vacant plat of land off Boulevard.

The Gateway Plaza Station, comes in alongside an "old" New Bank building. It has some local church name on the door, but 10 to 1, it's rented. The bank, it's drive through canopy and the curb would convert nicely into a local Transit Center, again, parking is already in place.

This would be a nice spot to have this old shopping center renovated into a TOD.  The parking is already there and pouring a little money into the site would benefit the Gateway commercial corridor, as well as provide a built-in destination on site.

NAS JAX/Yukon Station, is all City land, across from the main gate.

You would need a park n ride lot here because there won't be much foot traffic generated in this area.  Also, if a station is added at Roosevelt and Timuquana, it would need to be a park n ride also.  Unfortunately, at this interesection there is no space for one.  Everything north of San Juan would be fine as urban stations with no need for large parking lots.

Checking City and State land records we could wipe out plans for any large land purchases. As you said, that could come along later.

The largest from my research would be the old National Wire Southeast plant off of West Church Street, just north of JTA's maintenance yard.  This 7.2 acre site would be needed to lay track from Church to Beaver.  The good thing is its vacant and for sale.

I'm working on station costs, and have several ONE BUILDING designs coming in. The same folks that did the Orlando Lymmo and Disney Kiosks. Thinking about $40,000 each, plus platform and lights.

Austin has some pretty simple stations, but it still cost them roughly $1.5 million a piece.

[JeffreyS]

That bar you removed has some of the least attractive "exotic" dancers around. Where will these single moms work.

[Ocklawaha]

Jeffery, this is why all railroad workers and sailors ALWAYS donate to the homes for un-wed mothers!

Ocklawaha

[Ocklawaha]

Funny you posted that Austin piece Lake, here is the work of some of the folks that ARE onboard and one send PDF photos, another (the Lymmo folks) are working on full blown drawings. About 4 or 5 different groups in all...

Just imagine that Austin platform, with a 12x30 foot "Station" in the middle. Add lighting and we're ready to board.













Yes, I know that some of the brick or concrete buildings are ugly, believe me, the designs they'll do for us are NOT ugly. They were all given 4 concept buildings, and a drawing to work from. Then I told them to be creative, do whatever they do best, use the "concept" only as a theme. Most are talking about $40,000 each.
Maybe less???

The 4 designs were sent to Jason to play with too. They are ARTS DECO, ULTRA-MODERN, GINGERBREAD-DEPOT-STEAMBOAT, WAREHOUSE-GOTHIC RAIL. I'll post them for anyone else that wants to play. Mr. Clem? If your out there, have the boys ink up those pens... Y'all have at it.









Have Fun and have at it team... Remember, it's more then design, its got to be built too![/color][/b] 

Ocklawaha

[thelakelander]

Cool.  Most our stations don't have to be that elaborate though.  We could just pay for a LYMMO type shelter, take the additional money saved and apply somewhere else.

[Ocklawaha]

...and this just in from Porta-King...



Ocklawaha

[Ocklawaha]

our stations don't have to be that elaborate

RIGHT! Each e:mail, and copies of the drawings were followed by phone calls, EVERYONE knows, we are talking about a simple Lymmo type shelter. The "concepts" were to show the types of things the train will encounter en-route, and the theme of the shelter. Basic, some will be a glass box, some an open one, some might have some iron work, or stainless... very simple stuff. They understand and have gone to work on it.

What I'm thinking, and sharing, is we are probably talking about a single RDC car train, maybe two, 160' train?  For a 200 or 300 foot platform? Why string 7 ugly bus shelters, trash cans and such along 300 feet when we could build one slightly larger shelter, give it a dash of style, and set out a couple of park benches for the sun worshipers? Also note the vending is INCLUDED in ONE BUILDING.

Ocklawaha

[second_pancake]

Jeffery, this is why all railroad workers and sailors ALWAYS donate to the homes for un-wed mothers!

Ocklawaha

There's a joke in there but I think I'll just keep it to myself

[second_pancake]

I like the Shingle Creek station and the old Victorian looking one.

Man, you guys are really on top of this.  I don't even know where half of these places in town actually are!  I think we should schedule a field trip.