Comprehensive Bicycle/Pedestrian Network?

[tufsu1]

That picture is a dreadful sight.

what...you don't like the whole prison look?

[Dashing Dan]

Somebody put some effort into making it look attractive, and yet ...

[Dashing Dan]

Why not set up primary targeted boulevards with a "complete streets" style improvement package, and focus those initial efforts at getting the primary avenues completed first.

I'd focus on San Jose, Philips, Southside, Beach, Atlantic, Merrill, Zoo-Hecksher, Main, Lem Turner, New Kings Road, Beaver, Blanding, Roosevelt and connector trails along University, Dunn and Edgewood, pushing at least one multi-use pathway on one side of the road, at or near the full length within the city limits.

OCKLAWAHA

Ocklawaha: If you could come to our next BPAC meeting I would like for us to discuss your idea.  The next scheduled meeting is Thursday Nov 3, at 5:30 PM in the Lynwood Roberts Room of City Hall.

Personally  I would suggest that we prioritize these routes based on their physical feasibility and their existing or potential usage by cyclists.  San Jose has a lot of bicycle traffic now, but it might be hard to squeeze in a new trail along that route.   Whether it is along Beach Blvd or if it cuts through the UNF campus or the St. Johns Town Center, there needs to be a safe way for cyclists to get out to the beach.

[thelakelander]

Half of those streets are in the mobility plan's bicycle project list.  A number of them, such as Philips, Southside, Roosevelt, Main were also giving funding percentages to construct them as multi-use paths set back from the street.  I'll post the mobility plan's list of bicycle projects and their cost estimates in the next hour or so.  That way, you can see the cost associated with certain improvement projects and if any corridors align with whatever you're considering.

[thelakelander]

Here are the mobility plan bicycle projects:







Grey = Existing Bicycle Facility

Blue = Committed Bicycle Facility (not included in mobility plan funding)

Red = Phase 1 - COJ Bicycle Master Plan

Orange = Tier 2 - 2030 Multimodal Plan

Green = Tier 3 - 2030 Multimodal Plan

Link to documents above in larger scale: http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Transit/COJ-Mobility-Plan-Bicycle-Mode/19663113_5qrCBq#1542183971_hBqGHGh

[Dashing Dan]

Thanks.  For the mobility plan, how were the multiuse paths selected?

[peestandingup]

I saw they were redoing Normandy Blvd today (from Herlong on down to the Equestrian Center) & looks like the shoulder is wider now. But there's no mention of adding any official bike signage or pavement markings in the alert: http://www.northfloridaroads.com/projects/details.asp?ProjectID=459

Why??

[thelakelander]

Thanks.  For the mobility plan, how were the multiuse paths selected?

They were corridors where the ROW is already in place to accommodate paths without much difficulty, along corridors with significant vehicular traffic.  Long term, it was suggested that parallel multiuse paths be integrated with commuter rail corridors.  Conditions in peer communities have proven that bikeways connecting mass transit stations can be a conduit to extend TOD corridors, while also buffering cyclist and pedestrians from vehicular traffic.

A multi-use path example that parallel's Charlotte's new LRT line.




I love what Detroit did.  They put in the path, leaving ample space for future LRT.  This is what we should have done with the S-Line.


With good land use modification and integration with mass transit, I think this is possible for Jax between future rail stations.

[Dashing Dan]

Thanks.  This is very interesting. 

Going forward I'd like to see more engagement with stakeholders (i.e. cyclists, bike shop owners, etc)., along with some estimates or forecasts of bicycle ridership on proposed new paths.

St. Augustine just had a bicycle route study, but I think the last time that a bicycle plan was done for Jacksonville was in 1999.

[Charles Hunter]

Thanks.  This is very interesting. 

Going forward I'd like to see more engagement with stakeholders (i.e. cyclists, bike shop owners, etc)., along with some estimates or forecasts of bicycle ridership on proposed new paths.

St. Augustine just had a bicycle route study, but I think the last time that a bicycle plan was done for Jacksonville was in 1999.

Actually, according to the North Florida TPO website - 2007:
http://www.firstcoastmpo.com/documents/bicycle_pedestrian/ click on the link to the PDF

[tufsu1]

I saw they were redoing Normandy Blvd today (from Herlong on down to the Equestrian Center) & looks like the shoulder is wider now. But there's no mention of adding any official bike signage or pavement markings in the alert: http://www.northfloridaroads.com/projects/details.asp?ProjectID=459

Why??

if this is a rural road (no curb) than the shoulder is the bike lane...when designed as such, the 5' shoulder extends through right turn lanes just like a bike lane....whether is it is signed or marked specifically for bikes is another issue.

[Dashing Dan]

Thanks.  This is very interesting. 

Going forward I'd like to see more engagement with stakeholders (i.e. cyclists, bike shop owners, etc)., along with some estimates or forecasts of bicycle ridership on proposed new paths.

St. Augustine just had a bicycle route study, but I think the last time that a bicycle plan was done for Jacksonville was in 1999.

Actually, according to the North Florida TPO website - 2007:
http://www.firstcoastmpo.com/documents/bicycle_pedestrian/ click on the link to the PDF

This is the bicycle pedestrian plan that is currently posted on the bike-ped page of the City of Jacksonville website. 

http://www.coj.net/Departments/Planning-and-Development/Docs/Community-Planning-Division/Transportation-Planning/bikeped-plan-1999.aspx

It's dated 1999.

[Charles Hunter]

Interesting.

[peestandingup]

I saw they were redoing Normandy Blvd today (from Herlong on down to the Equestrian Center) & looks like the shoulder is wider now. But there's no mention of adding any official bike signage or pavement markings in the alert: http://www.northfloridaroads.com/projects/details.asp?ProjectID=459

Why??

if this is a rural road (no curb) than the shoulder is the bike lane...when designed as such, the 5' shoulder extends through right turn lanes just like a bike lane....whether is it is signed or marked specifically for bikes is another issue.

Yeah, that stretch has no curb or sidewalk, so it probably is considered rural. And the lane does extend through the turn lanes as well (just check Google Maps). Thanks, that explains it.

Its def an improvement, I just think some simple signage/markings would go a long way to promote these things & to also make drivers more aware. It can't cost that much.

[ricker]

Tomorrow.
Tuesday 5pm.
St James bldg City Hall.

Voice your opinion.