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[Tacachale]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

[JaxAvondale]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

[Tacachale]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

Not remotely comparable situations. Pittsburgh has had literally decades of building support for every one of their teams and many expats across the country who also support them. Vegas has no major league sports history and about a million other things to do. However, I'm sure both teams will do fine, but the hockey team won't do as well as it would if it were the only game in town.

[Steve]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

Apples and Oranges. Pittsburgh is a historic large city with a corporate base that got hit hard during the decline of US manufacturing. Vegas is a tourist town.

[I-10east]

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

There's a big push for Oakland to kick the Raiders out of the Coliseum ASAP. Im sure that Las Vegas would happily oblige, and play in Sam Boyd Stadium for the time being. To add more fuel to the fire, I heard that Oakland tripled the rent when news came out that Mark Davis courted LA for relocation.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2017/03/27/will-oakland-kick-the-raiders-out-of-the-coliseum/

[JaxAvondale]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

Apples and Oranges. Pittsburgh is a historic large city with a corporate base that got hit hard during the decline of US manufacturing. Vegas is a tourist town.

I would venture to say that Vegas has more blue collared workers than Pittsburgh. Nevada definitely has more union workers than Pennsylvania. Hockey has very good following in Vegas and I'm sure that both sports will thrive.

[FlaBoy]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

Apples and Oranges. Pittsburgh is a historic large city with a corporate base that got hit hard during the decline of US manufacturing. Vegas is a tourist town.

LV is larger than Nashville, Buffalo, New Orleans, Green Bay/Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Kansas City. Las Vegas Metro is growing at a 10.47% rate. It will pass Cincinnati as the 28th largest market before the Raiders come to town. It is a tourist/sports gambling mecca (another discussion). Filling a stadium 7 times a year will be fine. UNLV also hasn't been relevant in 25 years. There is kind of nothing competing for that money currently. They would need to wait awhile before going after anything else, but it will be fine. It is also all about TV markets too. The other interesting thing that I know Davis considered is the close proximity to Southern California, specifically the Valley area of Riverside-San Bernandino where Raiders fans are plentiful and only 3 hours away.

[FlaBoy]

Well its official, the NFL owners approved the Las Vegas Raiders.

Not sure I get this. I realize they were in a spot in Oakland, but Vegas in 2019?

-Outside of visitor fans, who is going to buy tickets in Oakland the next two years?
-Is Vegas really a good football town? I realize there might be vacation/corporate deals, etc. In addition, it's a great opportunity for fans of perennially sold out teams to take a fun trip to see their team. However, that doesn't really help build the fan base.

It is a larger market than Jacksonville that is growing quicker than Jacksonville. Add in being the gambling capital of the world and third most visited place in the states, sounds like a winner to me.

Idk why they would place in Oakland that long. Doubt it will actually happen. They will need to make Sam Boyd Stadium work for 7 games a year. I am sure they will keep playing in Mexico City.

It's a larger market yes, but a more transient market than Jacksonville, and largely service industry and logistics. I think that people will attend, but I think it might win the award for most visiting fans in a stadium. Plus, I'm not sure how a tourist town is going to do well with filling a place on a Sunday - the day that business travelers arrive and leisure travelers are either arriving or departing.

To be clear, they'll fill the premium seats/suites in a heartbeat. I thin they're making the assumption that it will be a good environment for a team there.

I also think Mark Davis is making a huge assumption that they will do better than the new NHL team. That's a lot of a new entertainment dollar to absorb, especially when NHL tickets tend to be cheaper per game, and the NHL games are during the week (making it MUCH easier for a corporate conference to pick up 1,000 tickets for attendees).

This will be fine for a decade. After that, I'm curious.

The Raiders and NHL won't interfere much. The NHL doesn't even start until October. The playoffs aren't till April. Vegas is a very good sports town. The locals will absolutely support this team and they won't need many tourists to fill the place.

Also, this will put Vegas in the regular SB rotation which will be a boon for the hotels during a time that is normally slow.

There are only so many people in Vegas, and only so many of those who care about local sports. Plus there are only so many local businesses to do sponsorships or buy bulk tickets. As in any other mid-sized market there will be some level of competition between the sports teams, and guess who gets to play second fiddle between the NFL and NHL?

Pittsburgh has a similar MSA as Vegas and both sports teams seem to do just fine.

Not remotely comparable situations. Pittsburgh has had literally decades of building support for every one of their teams and many expats across the country who also support them. Vegas has no major league sports history and about a million other things to do. However, I'm sure both teams will do fine, but the hockey team won't do as well as it would if it were the only game in town.

NHL will take time for sure. It really depends on the success factor too. I think it is a tougher ticket to go to a Lightning game in Tampa over the past 10 years than it has for a Bucs game lol. NHL teams in the Sun Belt are much more likely to see problems like the Coyotes in Phoenix, Thrashers in ATL, or Hurricane in Raleigh.

[BridgeTroll]

This... 

the close proximity to Southern California, specifically the Valley area of Riverside-San Bernandino where Raiders fans are plentiful and only 3 hours away.

[FlaBoy]

This... 

the close proximity to Southern California, specifically the Valley area of Riverside-San Bernandino where Raiders fans are plentiful and only 3 hours away.

Riverside-San Bernandino is the country's 13th largest metro by itself, larger than Detroit, Seattle, Denver, Charlotte, etc. With LA traffic, it takes an hour and half normally to get into LA from there. It takes 3 hours to get to Las Vegas. The Valley has supported the Raiders more than anyone else after leaving LA and heading to Oakland. I am telling you, the Valley may become Raiderland even with the Chargers and Rams.

[I-10east]

What do yall think is the worst stadium (post SD and OAK)? IMO it's more than likely BUF.

[JaxAvondale]

What do yall think is the worst stadium (post SD and OAK)? IMO it's more than likely BUF.

Buffalo by a mile!

[spuwho]

What do yall think is the worst stadium (post SD and OAK)? IMO it's more than likely BUF.

Buffalo by a mile!

Worst by what measurement?  Have you actually been there?

Rich Stadium is actually kind of cool because it is older, you sit much closer to the play.

If you measure it on amenities and boxes, of course it falls short. If you measure it from a pure football viewing perspective, it can't be beat.

Alameda Stadium had just outlived the era of multi-use and the mods they made for the Raiders to come back actually made it worse.

The absolute worse stadium I ever watched NFL games in was the original Soldier Field in Chicago.  The mens bathrooms were so overwhelmed, stadium security would post guards on womens bathrooms to keep the men out.  While it was state of the art in the 1920's, it was so bad by the 1980's, the only good thing about it was the decrepit seating plan. When the tundra froze, you could stay warm by pushing up against each other in your row. It helped keep the wind chill down.  And if you sat on the west grandstand in the winter with the wind blowing in off the lake, frost bite! In the pre-season games, you had to compete with the rats and roaches to reach the trash cans. And them rats were pretty big by the end of the summer!

The second worst was the original Kingdome in Seattle.  Great for baseball, but terrible for football. You could be sitting half way up and still couldn't see the corner of the endzone.  The lighting was so bad, it was notorious for dropped kickoff returns because the ball would descend right in the light pattern and get lost.  Basically a big concrete grain bin with seats inside.

Finally, Municipal Stadium in Cleveland.  The stands would shake and wobble, they were so decrepit. As you walk in and out of the stadium, rust had eaten away at the base of all the steel beams holding up the upper decks. You began to wonder if the place was going to collapse at any moment.  If you sat to low, you couldn't see past the players most of the time and due to the natural grass, the pitch was so steep for drainage, you couldn't see below the knees at times when the play went to the opposite field. The place had become a literal dump.  Lots of great memories there, but not well taken care of.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

What do yall think is the worst stadium (post SD and OAK)? IMO it's more than likely BUF.

Personally, I haven't been to many stadiums to have a 1st hand opinion, but if you're insinuating what I think you are, based on what I read, Jacksonville is probably about 10th in line.  In no particular order and off the top of my head I would say that: Tampa, Carolina, Cleveland, Buffalo, New Orleans & Nashville will all need major renovations/new stadiums before we do anything else truly major. 

Now that could change overnight if the city decides to stop 'negotiating' with Khan.  It's not tough to read between the lines during every one of Lamping's STOF speeches:  The team needs to generate more local revenue.  Forget the chart that he threw up there that had only us and Buffalo at the bottom, because while that may be factual, we are a still newer stadium that's just now reaching it's life expectancy and we've had lots of upgrades and geography that make visiting here enjoyable for the other execs.

[DrQue]

Khan and Lamping really won't know what they have in terms of local revenue until the team starts winning. I'm honestly impressed with how many people shell out thousands for season tickets to watch a perennial loser. At some point the venue quality is irrelevant...