Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

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#495
December 22, 2008, 02:26:40 PM
Let's not bring the japanese into this--they've done enough damage...let's just let more misinformation pass around till florida is washed away and his real estate interests are gone.  Then we can say "we told you so."  Which is not unlike what happened on Galvaston Island this year.  You know the state is taking their land back and turning it into public parks.
'As a sinner I am truly conscious of having often offended my Creator and I beg him to forgive me, but as a Queen and Sovereign, I am aware of no fault or offence for which I have to render account to anyone here below.'   Mary, queen of Scots to her jailer, Sir Amyas Paulet; October 1586

BridgeTroll

#496
December 22, 2008, 02:30:16 PM
But... Can anyone answer this?  There should be an easily accessible data base... Right?

QuoteJust a few simple questions that I am sure has no simple answer...  We often see these headlines...

2008 among 10 warmest years on record, UN reports

Is there an official record?  Where is it kept?  Who keeps it?  How far back to they go?  Is it generalized and vague or is it precise with date, time, temp, pressure etc...?  If I want to know these things for say... the entire month of July in Jacksonville in 1812 could I get that info?
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Jason

#497
December 22, 2008, 03:06:57 PM
Everyone has their own database, I guess.  That's why I'm holding out for a solid general consensus amongst the scientific community.  To come to that consensus, I would imagine they would all have to pool their data and consult eachother.

RiversideGator

#498
December 22, 2008, 03:10:51 PM
Quote from: stephendare on December 22, 2008, 01:23:18 PM
You do know that climate change is an 'average' temperature, right?

Like an 'average' height?

Yes.  And the average temperature has been dropping for several years now.

Matt

#499
December 22, 2008, 03:12:20 PM Last Edit: December 22, 2008, 03:14:22 PM by Matt
Quote from: Lunican on December 08, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
According to this link, a 50 foot sea level rise would turn Atlanta into an oceanfront city.

http://www.globalwarmingart.com/sealevel

Lol. The dutch...
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#500
December 22, 2008, 03:29:15 PM
I went to the Temple in search of the ultimate answer. After clapping my hands (to get Gods attention) and offering my herbs for incense (I kept most in a baggie, why be overly generous?)

Suddenly a temple bell rang out...

A voice from the smoke asked me the golden question and thus gave me the devine answer:

"Weedhopper, if the ice shelf breaks off and no one is around, will it still make a splash?"

Shazam!

OCKLAWAHA

Clem1029

#502
December 22, 2008, 04:30:21 PM
Quote from: Jason on December 22, 2008, 03:06:57 PM
Everyone has their own database, I guess.  That's why I'm holding out for a solid general consensus amongst the scientific community.  To come to that consensus, I would imagine they would all have to pool their data and consult eachother.
Say it with me - "science is not about consensus."

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#503
December 22, 2008, 05:28:56 PM
So what everyone here seems to be saying is there is no record, there is no comprehensive database of accepted, correct, and accurate data.  We are just supposed to believe the charts and UN when they say something is a record.  It is simply not possible to get the temperature, pressure, cloud cover and precipitation for a particular Lat/long for 1692, or 1527, or 1788?!  I have a hard time believing you people do not question more of these numbers.  If indeed...
Quote2008 among 10 warmest years on record, UN reports
What records??  Where?? 

In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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#504
December 22, 2008, 05:36:10 PM
The information I described is NOT in the IPCC report... It is most certainly not that comprehensive.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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#505
December 22, 2008, 05:40:46 PM
Help me then Stephen... what was the temperature, pressure, precipitation totals for anywhere in Duval county for this date in 1792?  What was the weather report for THAT particular day??
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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#506
December 22, 2008, 06:03:41 PM
I am quite familiar with it... and now we are getting to my point.  THERE IS NO accepted accurate database for such records.  Tree rings and core samples are great to get a general idea of temperature and precipitation for a general season but it CANNOT give you a day to day record of the weather. 

As for the Spanish... assuming there was a spaniard in charge of weather measurements in December of 1792 how accurate would they be?  I contend they would be more accurate than reading tree rings but less accurate than modern methods and standards.

Lets assume the weather measurements of north america are accurate since then... that gives us a total of 217 years of comprehensive and accurate records.

Are you kidding me?  217 years of records??  I am betting the Timucuans would have had more weather history to work with...

217 years of written verifiable and accurate records???  Cmon....
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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#507
December 22, 2008, 06:20:20 PM
Let's give them a 10% margin of error.  If the temp. trends down, assuming the same margin of error, or trends up, again, same margin of error, then what's the trend? Up or down? Does the error matter? It's going one way or the other right?
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#508
December 22, 2008, 06:36:18 PM
QuoteDoes the error matter?

Really??  If we are basing the worlds economic model on these predictions I want something accurate and verifiable.  Perhaps I am too demanding?  The GW'ers are talking about half degree changes in climate making the difference... I would think accuracy would be paramount. 

How about data measurement points?  I am thinking we have quite a bit more extremely accurate measurements for any point on the globe the past 50 years versus innaccurate and sporadic measurements on very few points on the globe just 200 years ago...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

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#509
December 22, 2008, 06:49:14 PM
Quoteactually core samples are remarkably accurate.

Compared to nothing I would agree.  Compared to standardized modern methods of weather observation today they are very innaccurate.  Again... find me a tree ring or magma sample that tells me the daily rainfall and temperatures for December 1800.

Quoteand we dont need daily measurements

If we are going to be told "today we set another heat record" we should know what the records are.  If those records are only 100 years old people should be told that.  Tell them that "today we set a heat record based on tree rings" and you will get laughed at...
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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