Landing lands Chicago-style night club

Started by thelakelander, October 03, 2011, 10:26:54 PM

Ocklawaha

Quote from: thelakelander on October 04, 2011, 07:01:01 AM
Hmmm, I don't know what you can do with a space at the Landing to make it look like the real Rush Street.....

This is easy for Jacksonville. First you have a plan, then you blow up the building, then you quit and walk away.

Can you say, "Surface parking lot?"

OCKLAWAHA

Lucasjj

I don't see this cannibalizing any of their food sales. Judging from the Rush Street location at the beaches, food service will not be what people are there for. The location there serves as a standard dance club that happens to have access to a restaurant. I don't think people are eating in the Rush Street location, or that people are deciding between the two. People want to sit down and eat or people want to "club it".

comncense

Though I like the idea of Fionn McCool's and Rush Street opening at the Landing, the real issue will be how many people you can convince to come out to the Landing on Friday and Saturday nights to patronize the establishments. You can have the best idea in the world but if no one comes out to support it, it will ultimately fail. Also, no one wants to spend their Friday and Saturday nights at a club/bar that's dead. All that said, I hope they are successful.

comncense

Quote from: Lucasjj on October 04, 2011, 09:36:53 AM
I don't see this cannibalizing any of their food sales. Judging from the Rush Street location at the beaches, food service will not be what people are there for. The location there serves as a standard dance club that happens to have access to a restaurant. I don't think people are eating in the Rush Street location, or that people are deciding between the two. People want to sit down and eat or people want to "club it".

It would be nice if Chicago Pizza was connect to Rush Street like it is at the Beach. Lord knows Fuddruckers will not be opening in that empty spot next to the Rush Street location. But I guess you can't beat the riverfront view that the current Chicago Pizza location has.

Jason

^ Agreed Lucas.  One location is calm and quiet with a beer over dinner.  The second location is hoppin with activity and allows finger food with your cocktail next to a dance floor.

Besides, both are under the same owner.  How is that canibalizing?

Captain Zissou

I have never tried to eat at Rush Street at the beach, but when I see a sentence that reads like this:

QuoteJimmy DeMarco, manager of the Chicago Pizza/Rush Street operation in Florida, said the club will still offer a menu very similar to Chicago Pizza.

It makes me wonder why two places would have the same menu 100 yards apart....

I'm excited that the Landing is getting another tenant, but this just doesn't sound like an idea that can/will be executed well. 

Non-RedNeck Westsider

IMO, the only thing they're cannabalizing will be FL/GA attendees. 

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urbanlibertarian

Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 04, 2011, 08:50:46 AM
It will end up looking half a$$ed and cheap.

Alright!  I am there, baby!  Sounds like my kinda place.
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urbanlibertarian

Quote from: comncense on October 04, 2011, 09:40:01 AM
Though I like the idea of Fionn McCool's and Rush Street opening at the Landing, the real issue will be how many people you can convince to come out to the Landing on Friday and Saturday nights to patronize the establishments. You can have the best idea in the world but if no one comes out to support it, it will ultimately fail. Also, no one wants to spend their Friday and Saturday nights at a club/bar that's dead. All that said, I hope they are successful.

Hopefully that path beside the Ocean Street ramp that the city has been working on will help get people moving between the Landing and Bay Street.
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fieldafm

QuoteIt makes me wonder why two places would have the same menu 100 yards apart....

I'm excited that the Landing is getting another tenant, but this just doesn't sound like an idea that can/will be executed well. 

Rush Street Jax Beach, you can order things like apps during happy hour.

This is actually the same thing Twisted Martini did(the kitchen is already there, so why not)... you have food during dinner hours and then full on club when things get heated up during club-conducive hours.  I can see Rush Street being a decent happy hour spot downtown. 

There is a reason Chicago Pizza sold out of pizza at the old Twisted spot during our Pub Crawls.  People drinking tend to want to eat quick appetizer-style food and pizza ;)

No different then going to Dos Gatos on a Friday night happy hour and getting served pizza there.  So, it's not a real hard concept to wrap your head around.

tufsu1

Quote from: fieldafm on October 04, 2011, 10:22:44 AM
No different then going to Dos Gatos on a Friday night happy hour and getting served pizza there.  So, it's not a real hard concept to wrap your head around.

are you sure? Maybe we need step-by-step directions

Captain Zissou

Field, I honestly think they could open a Captain D's at the Landing and you'd defend it to high heaven, because you for some reason love all things Landing.  I do not feel that way, so I can see this for what it is.  A gimmick. 

Maybe I should have been more clear.  The 'concept' that I think will fail is the designing a bar to look like a whole street by making the dance floor a black top.  What's the point?  Why not just deliver a quality product that speaks for itself instead of some cheap imitation.  Rush street (the real one) probably didn't become the way it is today by trying to copy something else. 

I think until the Landing fixes parking, visibility of tenants, reputation, and access they will have a few more sacrificial lambs take one for the team.  Hopefully this one will push us closer to turning the center around.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Quote from: tufsu1 on October 04, 2011, 10:32:16 AM
are you sure? Maybe we need step-by-step directions

1.)  Find location
2.)  Move extra pizza equipment from storage
3.)  Paint White Stripes on already black foor to resemble asphalt
4.)  Tell some employees that they're working over there
5.)  Collect insane amount of money for 3-4 days
6.)  Move extra pizza equipment back to storage
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tufsu1

Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 04, 2011, 10:51:24 AM
Maybe I should have been more clear.  The 'concept' that I think will fail is the designing a bar to look like a whole street by making the dance floor a black top.  What's the point?  Why not just deliver a quality product that speaks for itself instead of some cheap imitation.  Rush street (the real one) probably didn't become the way it is today by trying to copy something else. 

considering they already have 2 successful Rush St. location in the metro area, maybe the concept is ok

Captain Zissou

Quote from: tufsu1 on October 04, 2011, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 04, 2011, 10:51:24 AM
Maybe I should have been more clear.  The 'concept' that I think will fail is the designing a bar to look like a whole street by making the dance floor a black top.  What's the point?  Why not just deliver a quality product that speaks for itself instead of some cheap imitation.  Rush street (the real one) probably didn't become the way it is today by trying to copy something else. 

considering they already have 2 successful Rush St. location in the metro area, maybe the concept is ok

Do the other 2 have the pointless theme??  Also, this is the Landing.  Not right across from The Ritz and Fionn Macool's that both have huge lines of people waiting to get in. Don't equate the 2 Fionn Macool's either.  So far I am the only person I know (outside of the forum) who is even aware that this is happening.  Where is the second Rush street?