Top Ten Poorest States are all Republican

[tufsu1]

ok....but the top 5 on Chris's list are traditionally Democratic states...as are CT, MA, MD, and DE

oh, and the current Governors of WV and NC (from Faye's list) are Democrats

Tufsu, your ship sunk before it left the dock, unless you can explain why Texas has one of the highest risks of default? lol

Care to tell me when was the last time Texas was controlled by the Democrats?

And Ohio and Nevada? Care to explain those?

I wasn't trying to make a point about D vs R...just noting which states have traditionally been Democratic from your list.....and also correcting Faye's statement that the Top 10 are all Republican (since 2 are currently governed by democrats).

as for your questions:

Texas - Ann Richards (D) was Governor up through 1994 (when defeated by George W Bush)

Ohio - Ted Strickland (D) was Governor from 2007 until this year

Nevada - Bob Miller (D) was Governor from 1989 to 1999

[ChriswUfGator]

ok....but the top 5 on Chris's list are traditionally Democratic states...as are CT, MA, MD, and DE

oh, and the current Governors of WV and NC (from Faye's list) are Democrats

Tufsu, your ship sunk before it left the dock, unless you can explain why Texas has one of the highest risks of default? lol

Care to tell me when was the last time Texas was controlled by the Democrats?

And Ohio and Nevada? Care to explain those?

I wasn't trying to make a point about D vs R...just noting which states have traditionally been Democratic from your list.....and also correcting Faye's statement that the Top 10 are all Republican (since 2 are currently governed by democrats).

While 80% is marginally less than 100%, I'd still say that at 8/10 the point definitely stands...

If Faye wants to revise the thread title to be statistically accurate, great, I'm just not sure it changes anything.

[ChriswUfGator]

ok....but the top 5 on Chris's list are traditionally Democratic states...as are CT, MA, MD, and DE

oh, and the current Governors of WV and NC (from Faye's list) are Democrats

Tufsu, your ship sunk before it left the dock, unless you can explain why Texas has one of the highest risks of default? lol

Care to tell me when was the last time Texas was controlled by the Democrats?

And Ohio and Nevada? Care to explain those?

I wasn't trying to make a point about D vs R...just noting which states have traditionally been Democratic from your list.....and also correcting Faye's statement that the Top 10 are all Republican (since 2 are currently governed by democrats).

as for your questions:

Texas - Ann Richards (D) was Governor up through 1994 (when defeated by George W Bush)

Ohio - Ted Strickland (D) was Governor from 2007 until this year

Nevada - Bob Miller (D) was Governor from 1989 to 1999

Ah, so we're going on 20 years, since Texas had a single Democrat governor? Thanks.

As to Ohio, you somehow failed to mention that, aside from Strickland's one term as a Democrat, the State has been exclusively Republican-controlled from January of 1991 through the present. Even longer than Texas. And you already admitted it's been 12 years since Nevada had a Democrat Governor. So that kinds of puts this one to bed, then, doesn't it?

[tufsu1]

I will agree that Texas and Nevada are red states....but Ohio is pretty much purple.

[buckethead]

Guess what top ten states are most likely to default and go bankrupt?  Go ahead , guess.  LOL.

Not to let the facts get in the way of making up your mind or anything, but the majority of those are Republican too...



So let's go down the list;

State: Controlling Party Affiliation:
Illinois:           Democrat
California:       Democrat
Michigan:         Republican
New Jersey:     Republican
New York:        Democrat
Nevada:           Republican
Florida:            Republican
Connecticut:     Democrat
Massachusetts: Democrat
Ohio:                Republican
Wisconsin:        Republican
Pennsylvania:    Republican
Texas:              Republican
Maryland:          Democrat
Virginia:            Republican
Delaware:          Democrat

So, you'll note, more than half of the states the market (the best indicator) judges to have the highest default risk are Republican-controlled. Which I find funny, since this is allegedly the party of fiscal conservatism.

Please define "republican controlled".

And Faye, haven't all the states you listed been under democrat control for the prior 70 years?

Now before I get accused of toeing the line for republicans, I'm merely pointing out the fact that Democrats have long been in power and therefore share the blame.

Let me be clear... (to borrow a euphemism) The Republican Party is chock full o' stupid. Genuflecting at the alter of the Democrat Party does not absolve their lack of responsible leadership.

They are just as corrupt and stupid.

Two disparate factions seeking to win control of the booty. (No innuendo intended)

I have it on Good Authority that President Obama is the last hope for the American Republic. That he has merely been outplayed by more experienced advisers and adversaries, but that he is just keeping his enemies close.

Could he be on a mission to save buckethead (uninformed, uneducated, unwashed)  from himself? I suppose. It all sounds a bit scary to me though.

[ChriswUfGator]

Republican controlled = Republican Governors, and in most cases, Republican-controlled legislatures.

[FayeforCure]

Republican controlled = Republican Governors, and in most cases, Republican-controlled legislatures.

Yup, plain and simple.

The buckethead and usually BT "sharing the blame" excuse is pretty lame when clearly there are instigators and enablers.

The Reps are the instigators and the Dems are the enablers. Is the blame equally shared in a situation like that?

Instead of being enablers, we'd like Dems to be more like fighters. But the ideology they stand for, ie protecting The People is more what the constitution intended.

The Reps are single-mindedly protecting profits over people, regardless of circumstances or abuses.

And the surprising result in Republican controlled states is a "poor state."

[johnnyman]

New Jersey ,,, Republican?  Oh my.  I am not sure how to respond to that,, lol.  Even the sicophant Koolaide sucking liberal zealots on the Democratic Underground (which I do read) claim NJ as one of their own.  Wow, that put some of you on the far far extreme fringe of the fringe.  Very exclusive club.  lol.  We will see who defaults in the not to distant future I have a feeling and we can revisit this thread.

[tufsu1]

exactly...as I noted, the Top 5 states on Chris's list have traditionally been Democratic strongholds...2010 was an odd election year.

at the same time, I noted that Faye's original list actually included 2 states that current have Democratic Governors.

what I (a pretty strong Democrat) am saying is there's little to no correlation between political party and this list!

[ChriswUfGator]

New Jersey ,,, Republican?  Oh my.  I am not sure how to respond to that,, lol.  Even the sicophant Koolaide sucking liberal zealots on the Democratic Underground (which I do read) claim NJ as one of their own.  Wow, that put some of you on the far far extreme fringe of the fringe.  Very exclusive club.  lol.  We will see who defaults in the not to distant future I have a feeling and we can revisit this thread.

Why don't you look up the histories of governors and controlling legislative parties in New Jersey, Wiki even has nice color-coded lists for you. New Jersey has been Republican more than it has been Democrat. There was a stretch between 2002-2006 when they had 4 Democrat governors in a row, if that's what you're referring to, but that was really due to resignations stemming from scandals, and obviously the outgoing governor gets to choose his Lieutenant Governor, soo...I'm not sure that history supports your assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_New_Jersey

[ChriswUfGator]

exactly...as I noted, the Top 5 states on Chris's list have traditionally been Democratic strongholds...2010 was an odd election year.

at the same time, I noted that Faye's original list actually included 2 states that current have Democratic Governors.

what I (a pretty strong Democrat) am saying is there's little to no correlation between political party and this list!

Are you kidding?

As I've already noted, New Jersey is not traditionally a Democrat state, and Michigan definitely isn't;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_Michigan

We already went through this. I know having your claims exploded generally doesn't prevent you from repeating them again anyway, but let's at least be somewhat realistic about it. Michigan a liberal bastion? Really? I guess if you go back to before the Civil War maybe...

And why limit it to top 5? Why not top 1, if it strengthens your argument? Forget the facts, like that there is generally a small deviation between the default risk of the various states, until you get to the list I provided you, where the deviation is extreme. Hence the list happens to contain data related to exactly what we were actually discussing, rather than some strawman, because it directly addresses which states the market indicates have the highest risk of default.

Any other strawmen anybody would like to throw out here while we're at it?

Maybe we should be discussing the 2.33333 states with the largest concentrations of endangered Blue Herons during the period from 1955-1964, and only considering the default risk of that subgroup? I mean, surely, that's more dispositive than judging the default risk by the actual market prices for CDSs, right?

[finehoe]

haven't all the states you listed been under democrat control for the prior 70 years?

Genuflecting at the alter of the Democrat Party does not absolve their lack of responsible leadership.

It's hard to take anyone seriously when they use the FOX News-ish 'democrat' in place of the grammatically correct 'democratic'.

[ChriswUfGator]

haven't all the states you listed been under democrat control for the prior 70 years?

Genuflecting at the alter of the Democrat Party does not absolve their lack of responsible leadership.

It's hard to take anyone seriously when they use the FOX News-ish 'democrat' in place of the grammatically correct 'democratic'.

While I certainly agree with your sentiments about Faux News, I have generally always used the grammatically incorrect version intentionally, only to distinguish between democratic processes/government and the Democratic Party. I always just preferred using one over the other to eliminate the double-meanings that can make some discussions confusing. Faux News probably does it because their viewers appear to be very easily confused, likely a whole different ball of wax. 

[finehoe]

^^^Be that as it may, when you see or hear the "Democrat Party" it pretty much tells you where the speaker is coming from.

[johnnyman]

New Jersey ,,, Republican?  Oh my.  I am not sure how to respond to that,, lol.  Even the sicophant Koolaide sucking liberal zealots on the Democratic Underground (which I do read) claim NJ as one of their own.  Wow, that put some of you on the far far extreme fringe of the fringe.  Very exclusive club.  lol.  We will see who defaults in the not to distant future I have a feeling and we can revisit this thread.

Why don't you look up the histories of governors and controlling legislative parties in New Jersey, Wiki even has nice color-coded lists for you. New Jersey has been Republican more than it has been Democrat. There was a stretch between 2002-2006 when they had 4 Democrat governors in a row, if that's what you're referring to, but that was really due to resignations stemming from scandals, and obviously the outgoing governor gets to choose his Lieutenant Governor, soo...I'm not sure that history supports your assertion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Governors_of_New_Jersey

California had a GOP gov too.  I guess u need to put California in the Red state column.  Let's just be consistent then I guess.