Family Dollar proposed for State & Newnan

[thelakelander]

Cathedral District: Beginning at the centerline of Main Street and the northerly right-of-way line of State Street; thence run easterly along the northerly right-of-way line of State Street to the centerline of Hogan's Creek; thence southerly along the centerline of Hogan's Creek to the centerline of Adams Street; thence westerly along the centerline of Adam's Street to the centerline of Main Street; thence northerly along the centerline of Main Street to the point of beginning.

So it abuts (but falls outside of) the overlay district.  

[ChriswUfGator]

Don't tell me they can't do urban.  Here is their store in Downtown Chattanooga, TN.

Lake, come on, that's still a prefab low-density suburban box, they just happened to stick it under an expressway. That doesn't make it "urban." And I have mixed feelings about allowing State & Union to turn into a suburban strip-mall style retail area, one the one hand it's a lot better than nothing. Beggars can't be choosers, right. I guess you have to start somewhere.

[Miss Fixit]

Cathedral District: Beginning at the centerline of Main Street and the northerly right-of-way line of State Street; thence run easterly along the northerly right-of-way line of State Street to the centerline of Hogan's Creek; thence southerly along the centerline of Hogan's Creek to the centerline of Adams Street; thence westerly along the centerline of Adam's Street to the centerline of Main Street; thence northerly along the centerline of Main Street to the point of beginning.

So it abuts (but falls outside of) the overlay district. 

BUT the northerly right-of- way line of State Street (depending on how it's interpreted) may include the area where sidewalks and curb cuts / entrances to parking are located and the City may be able to use this to encourage heightened design standards.

[JeffreyS]

Don't tell me they can't do urban.  Here is their store in Downtown Chattanooga, TN.

Lake, come on, that's still a prefab low-density suburban box, they just happened to stick it under an expressway. That doesn't make it "urban." And I have mixed feelings about allowing State & Union to turn into a suburban strip-mall style retail area, one the one hand it's a lot better than nothing. Beggars can't be choosers, right. I guess you have to start somewhere.

Yes it is not fancy but that store makes the area more walkable because of the interaction with the sidewalk.

[thelakelander]

^It's actually the ground level of a parking garage. What the material is or if its vertical or not is ultimately not my concern when discussing "walkability".  At ground or the pedestrian level, its integrated with the sidewalk and public realm in the form of entry doors and display windows.  In this essence, its walkable which is something Jacksonville clearly has a difficult time creating at this point.

[ChriswUfGator]

^It's actually the ground level of a parking garage. What the material is or if its vertical or not is ultimately not my concern when discussing "walkability".  At ground or the pedestrian level, its integrated with the sidewalk and public realm in the form of entry doors and display windows.  In this essence, its walkable which is something Jacksonville clearly has a difficult time creating at this point.

Well, yeah, walkable, bikible, bus'able, all of it is an issue really. Jacksonville has severe difficulty envisioning anything that doesn't involve hopping into your yacht-sized SUV and having to walk less than 50 feet to your destination.

[duvaldude08]

I honestly dont care what they do, as long as the parking lot is in the back of the building and NOT facing the street Im ok. I want a full urban design, but that may be too much to ask. However, you know we will get a preview of the design eventually so if we need to make some noise about it, we can.

[Miss Fixit]

I guess I'm not surprised since we're talking about Jacksonville, but you'd think the city planners would have noticed they were creating a zoning no man's land between downtown and Springfield when they established the boundaries for the respective overlays!!!

It's unfortunate that this project falls into said no-man's-land.....

[Wacca Pilatka]

I guess I'm not surprised since we're talking about Jacksonville, but you'd think the city planners would have noticed they were creating a zoning no man's land between downtown and Springfield when they established the boundaries for the respective overlays!!!

To some extent, per Stephen's earlier work re: Robert Moses concepts etc., it would appear that that was intentional at the time.