Could we see $150 per barrel oil soon?

[Lunican]

How attractive is Jacksonville in an oil crisis? I would say not very.

It seems so ridiculous when you consider that 100 years ago Jacksonville was operating a zero emissions mass transit vehicle that could use coal, natural gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, etc. and yet today we just can't figure it out.

[Shwaz]

You do realize that both sanitary food and medical care will drastically increase in cost on account of an oil crisis, right?

Hence the need to avoid the catastrophe by using less gas right?

When industries collapse people aren't going be able to just relocate their homes & families to be closer to the job that no longer exists.

Gas WILL get prohibitively expensive at some point, this is obvious. Anyone with half a brain would be relocating already. And yes, prices in the burbs will drop (they already are).

A majority of this discussion was that a catastrophe is what is needed. I'm all for less dependence on oil and the cultivation of alternative renewable energies. I believe this is a common goal and these industries are driving for new technologies and innovations to accomplish the goal.

The industry I work (building materials) has made leaps & bounds progress towards energy efficiency. We're a nationwide company that sees the progress of local and federal stimulus through rebates & tax incentives for those  that install everything from low water consumption faucets & toilets to hybrid water heaters.

However, I don't think currently there are many solutions available to get away from mass oil consumption. Mass transit isn't something offered in most communities. I believe we need to get started on the construction of these infrastructures now because it will take decades to complete in most places. Anyone with half a brain would see that a crisis of any sort that cripples our economy will impede our progress.

[JHAT76]

You do realize that both sanitary food and medical care will drastically increase in cost on account of an oil crisis, right?

Hence the need to avoid the catastrophe by using less gas right?

When industries collapse people aren't going be able to just relocate their homes & families to be closer to the job that no longer exists.

Gas WILL get prohibitively expensive at some point, this is obvious. Anyone with half a brain would be relocating already. And yes, prices in the burbs will drop (they already are).

A majority of this discussion was that a catastrophe is what is needed. I'm all for less dependence on oil and the cultivation of alternative renewable energies. I believe this is a common goal and these industries are driving for new technologies and innovations to accomplish the goal.

The industry I work (building materials) has made leaps & bounds progress towards energy efficiency. We're a nationwide company that sees the progress of local and federal stimulus through rebates & tax incentives for those  that install everything from low water consumption faucets & toilets to hybrid water heaters.

However, I don't think currently there are many solutions available to get away from mass oil consumption. Mass transit isn't something offered in most communities. I believe we need to get started on the construction of these infrastructures now because it will take decades to complete in most places. Anyone with half a brain would see that a crisis of any sort that cripples our economy will impede our progress.

Anyone know why the city didn't help jump start some green ideas and throw solar on top of LaVilla School of the Arts and the new courthouse?  Looking down on those buildings when at work its amazing how much solar power opportunity is being lost.

[north miami]

$100 Bbl price point helped push us in to the "Great Recession" or whatever it is.

I know of two fairly well off folk who,as if by magic,stepped out of the stock market prior to the 'crash' - escalation to $100 Bbl the convincing driver.

Just one more episode thanks to being asleep for so long...............

[BridgeTroll]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

It was 3.68 for 93o at the Shell on Roosevelt near the on-ramp this morning.  I think it was 3.36 for regular.

[north miami]

Cell towers everywhere-and hard pressed to see any example of solar

[dougskiles]

I am sure we can survive . I own a fleet of diesel trucks however and it's gonna be one hell of a pinch.

I understand completely.  For the last several years I have made my living off of designing suburban shopping centers and subdivisions.  Which is why I am working hard to promote a more sustainable development pattern.  I am seeing firsthand the desperation of those who are clinging to the past.  It is time to move on.

[Shwaz]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

It was 3.68 for 93o at the Shell on Roosevelt near the on-ramp this morning.  I think it was 3.36 for regular.

Inching closer to the revolution! psyched!!

[ben says]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

It was 3.68 for 93o at the Shell on Roosevelt near the on-ramp this morning.  I think it was 3.36 for regular.

Inching closer to the revolution! psyched!!

I know you're being sarcastic here, but jeez, am I the only one willing to go through hard times for the sake of not just American, but global sustainability?

You're comments throughout this discussion scream "myopic!"

[Shwaz]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

It was 3.68 for 93o at the Shell on Roosevelt near the on-ramp this morning.  I think it was 3.36 for regular.

Inching closer to the revolution! psyched!!

I know you're being sarcastic here, but jeez, am I the only one willing to go through hard times for the sake of not just American, but global sustainability?

You're comments throughout this discussion scream "myopic!"

Sure, if 'tough times' are the only way to reach an end goal of alternative energy... I just don't believe this is the only way. I think hoping for a global economic disaster to advance these technologies is beyond shortsighted... it's idiotic.

[BridgeTroll]

Not to mention people are and will die.  If our President is smart... and I think he is... various battlegroups and Marine detachments are getting ready to rescue hostages, secure oilfields, etc...

viva la revolucion!

[peestandingup]

For all you silly uninformed people who still have, and need cars... keep your tank full.  Early yesterday I filled up for $3.09 a gal.... same place this morning was $3.19... at noon today it was $3.29...

It was 3.68 for 93o at the Shell on Roosevelt near the on-ramp this morning.  I think it was 3.36 for regular.

Inching closer to the revolution! psyched!!

I know you're being sarcastic here, but jeez, am I the only one willing to go through hard times for the sake of not just American, but global sustainability?

You're comments throughout this discussion scream "myopic!"

Sure, if 'tough times' are the only way to reach an end goal of alternative energy... I just don't believe this is the only way. I think hoping for a global economic disaster to advance these technologies is beyond shortsighted... it's idiotic.

Yes it is, but people as a collective normally don't get their asses in gear until its a full blown crisis. We've had ample time & opportunities to fix this, but we've let it go WAY past the point of no return.

I honestly dont see any other way.

[Steve_Lovett]

I think that if our vehicle's odometers were replaced with cash register-like displays showing the dollar value of our gas consumption in real time it would be a huge shock to many, and might immediately do a few things:

1.) It would make us aware of how much disposable income is wasted in driving/commuting,
2.) We would consciously question when and why we drive, and reduce unnecessary trips,
3.) Would more urgently force alternatives to driving, such as non oil-reliant forms of public mass transit,
4.) Increase the value of neighborhoods located in higher proximity to work centers, including first-tier urban/suburban neighborhoods, and be a catalyst for the renewal of these areas.

Could it be likely that the cost of the auto-centric suburban development structure in Jacksonville will have a greater impact in (literally) driving the lower-middle class closer to poverty than any other social or economic factor?

[ben says]

Amen to that! ^^^