2010-856- Transient Vendors in Jacksonville

[KuroiKetsunoHana]

hippies and commies and whatnot are somewhat famous for insisting that capitalism has failed.  they're not entirely correct, though; it hasn't failed, it's continually and spectacularly failing, like an old hose springing new leaks every year.  unfortunately, i don't believe anyöne's come up with a better system.

[ChriswUfGator]

hippies and commies and whatnot are somewhat famous for insisting that capitalism has failed.  they're not entirely correct, though; it hasn't failed, it's continually and spectacularly failing, like an old hose springing new leaks every year.  unfortunately, i don't believe anyöne's come up with a better system.

Sure, look at France and Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter.

Capitalism and predatory business tactics are two different things. Europe figured out way before we did that you have to enact restraints to protect the public, if you simply give businesses whatever they want they wreck not only the society in which they operate, but also wreck their own interests, because what appears wise for one company is not wise when they all behave the same way at the same time.

American corporations, especially the entire financial industry, have become very much like rabid dogs that don't realize they should stop eating and save some for tomorrow. They'll eat until they vomit, then eat the vomit along with the rest of the food, not caring who starves because of their conduct, and ultimately not realizing they are screwing themselves in the long run, along with everyone else.

Somehow we have been sold this destructive and defective version of capitalism without sensible restraint, which winds up being more like a free-for-all where corporations buy whatever legislation they need, and the free markets we're told to believe in are rigged such that competition is mostly illusory.

[Shwaz]

hippies and commies and whatnot are somewhat famous for insisting that capitalism has failed.  they're not entirely correct, though; it hasn't failed, it's continually and spectacularly failing, like an old hose springing new leaks every year.  unfortunately, i don't believe anyöne's come up with a better system.

Sure, look at France and Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter.

Capitalism and predatory business tactics are two different things. Europe figured out way before we did that you have to enact restraints to protect the public, if you simply give businesses whatever they want they wreck not only the society in which they operate, but also wreck their own interests, because what appears wise for one company is not wise when they all behave the same way at the same time.

American corporations, especially the entire financial industry, have become very much like rabid dogs that don't realize they should stop eating and save some for tomorrow. They'll eat until they vomit, then eat the vomit along with the rest of the food, not caring who starves because of their conduct, and ultimately not realizing they are screwing themselves in the long run, along with everyone else.

Somehow we have been sold this destructive and defective version of capitalism without sensible restraint, which winds up being more like a free-for-all where corporations buy whatever legislation they need, and the free markets we're told to believe in are rigged such that competition is mostly illusory.

This is called 'Corporatism' and we're not that far off...

[ChriswUfGator]

hippies and commies and whatnot are somewhat famous for insisting that capitalism has failed.  they're not entirely correct, though; it hasn't failed, it's continually and spectacularly failing, like an old hose springing new leaks every year.  unfortunately, i don't believe anyöne's come up with a better system.

Sure, look at France and Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter.

Capitalism and predatory business tactics are two different things. Europe figured out way before we did that you have to enact restraints to protect the public, if you simply give businesses whatever they want they wreck not only the society in which they operate, but also wreck their own interests, because what appears wise for one company is not wise when they all behave the same way at the same time.

American corporations, especially the entire financial industry, have become very much like rabid dogs that don't realize they should stop eating and save some for tomorrow. They'll eat until they vomit, then eat the vomit along with the rest of the food, not caring who starves because of their conduct, and ultimately not realizing they are screwing themselves in the long run, along with everyone else.

Somehow we have been sold this destructive and defective version of capitalism without sensible restraint, which winds up being more like a free-for-all where corporations buy whatever legislation they need, and the free markets we're told to believe in are rigged such that competition is mostly illusory.

This is called 'Corporatism' and we're not that far off...

Well, speaking technically, the US presently represents crony capitalism, and is moving towards fascist corporatism.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascismâ€"ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power." -Franklin D. Roosevelt

[ProjectMaximus]

My first trip to NYC I made sure I stopped by one of the hot dog vendors. I mean you see it all the time in the movies right Couldnt leave the Big Apple with out doing that right? Here in Jax I guess you better find a Sonic.

One time in NYC (probably two years ago) I was late to meet people at MOMA without having eaten so I eyed a hot dog cart as I rushed by. The guy told me 3 bucks...so I passed...he said 2...and I was still in a hurry so no...when he knocked it down to a buck that got me to stop walking.

Hope he didn't give me the ones from the dirty water...

[Shwaz]

hippies and commies and whatnot are somewhat famous for insisting that capitalism has failed.  they're not entirely correct, though; it hasn't failed, it's continually and spectacularly failing, like an old hose springing new leaks every year.  unfortunately, i don't believe anyöne's come up with a better system.

Sure, look at France and Germany, and a lot of Europe for that matter.

Capitalism and predatory business tactics are two different things. Europe figured out way before we did that you have to enact restraints to protect the public, if you simply give businesses whatever they want they wreck not only the society in which they operate, but also wreck their own interests, because what appears wise for one company is not wise when they all behave the same way at the same time.

American corporations, especially the entire financial industry, have become very much like rabid dogs that don't realize they should stop eating and save some for tomorrow. They'll eat until they vomit, then eat the vomit along with the rest of the food, not caring who starves because of their conduct, and ultimately not realizing they are screwing themselves in the long run, along with everyone else.

Somehow we have been sold this destructive and defective version of capitalism without sensible restraint, which winds up being more like a free-for-all where corporations buy whatever legislation they need, and the free markets we're told to believe in are rigged such that competition is mostly illusory.

This is called 'Corporatism' and we're not that far off...

Well, speaking technically, the US presently represents crony capitalism, and is moving towards fascist corporatism.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascismâ€"ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power." -Franklin D. Roosevelt

You could argue that we currently reside in social corporatism - where major companies take huge risks and keep record profits but when their poor decisions fail we funnel tax dollars and print more money to bail them out.

In this case... when local restaurants can't make a better hotdog than a dirty frank sold from a cart... the local government shuts the little guy down.

[RockStar]

If I had a hot dog cart, I'd put a sign out at 3pm for "power hour dogs", $1. You'd have half of whatever building you're standing in front of down there everyday...esp if it's a city/fed bldg...lol...$1 soda and you're making money.

[Overstreet]

The street vendors still pay "rent" in some form or another.  They still pay operating expenses.  They are still as accountable for things like sales tax as any other cash based business.  Are their expenses lower than the fixed based operators' are?  Probably, but then as a society are we going to pass laws that penalize every other business person who finds a way to save a buck over their competition?

Restaurants, whether they be fast food or sit down require a commitment.  Street vendors can be impulse buying.  In fact, I suspect a large percentage of their sales are impulse. It doesn't matter if they are selling hot dogs or jeans actually. So it doesn't seem like they ultimately hurt the fixed based operators much in reality.  However, the fixed based operators are afraid the street vendors have taken their business when in fact, it is the economy. Or the fixed based vendors poor marketing or products.  But we must always have someone else to blame and here we are.

That I agree with.

Also hot dog vendors don't really make all that much. Unless you are making less of course.  How many really successful fixed operators really make it on hot dog/sausage sales alone? Most places the "dog" is sent to the bottom corner of the menu. I have heard it said though that the bikini clad Hot dog vendors of the late 80 s are missed.

[sheclown]

...and the sausage dogs outside of Lowes are so bloomin' good. 

[Jaxson]

I am surprised that there are people who consider the hot dog stands to be such a threat.  The clientele, I presume, would be different for hot dog stands than they would be for traditional brick-and-mortar eateries.  Folks who are on the go and want a quick stand-up bite to eat are more prone to drop a couple of dollars at a hot dog cart.  I don't think that someone leaves to go on their lunch break and deliberately shuns a restaurant to grab a hot dog.  Either you want to sit down for a meal or you don't.  Besides, the hot dog carts serve a decent purpose for those who are a couple of days away from pay day but don't feel like brown bagging it again...

[Ernest Street]

So this is a blanket "Non-Compete" issue.  I thought this smelled of the GOBN crying to Daddy.

I agree with you JC...the Vendors are exposed to everyone and everything...they don't have the luxury of throwing someone out of their establishment.

My Mexican American friend said to me last year."You watch...it's gonna get like Mexico around here with everyone trying to find their angle or second income..just to pay bills"

[JC]

So this is a blanket "Non-Compete" issue.  I thought this smelled of the GOB club crying to Daddy.

I agree with you JC...the Vendors are exposed to everyone and everything...they don't have the luxury of throwing someone out of their establishment.

My Mexican American friend said to me last year."You watch...it's gonna get like Mexico around here with everyone trying to find their angle or second income..just to pay bills")

Your friend makes an excellent point and this is already evident in impoverished areas like around Edgewood and Avenue B or Broward Rd near Clark and Interstate Center.  People are braiding hair, running unregulated day care centers, selling goods yard sale style, shade tree mechanics, roadside BBQs and so forth.  This will get more common as things get worse. 

[Singejoufflue]

People are braiding hair, running unregulated day care centers, selling goods yard sale style, shade tree mechanics, roadside BBQs and so forth.  This will get more common as things get worse. 

Isn't this kind of "grassroots" entrepreneurship just what we need?  I say this not merely economically, but also culturally, as these type of establishments put people's focus back in the community.  If I knew a woman here that could cut my hair for $20 I wouldn't go to a salon and pay $35.  I find the "ma & pa" shops offer higher quality and lower prices when putting food on the table is riding on that customer's word of mouth and eventual return.  Isn't it these initial steps that lead to larger "small" businesses?

[Noone]

Roberts Eatery on 8th and Ionia, Weds to Fri from 8 to 4ish has just that! Anyone who utters the phrase "CS Foltz said to stop" gets a free meal! Typical street vendor fare and we need more business persons willing to make the effort! Noone your on the list!

CS, I hope Robert is still there. What families aren't having a hard time with trying to maintain the household. 3 new taxes. Property tax increases. A city with out of control spending that is bankrupting us.

How is that $400,000 study to move the fair coming?

 A man is trying a new venture and is trying to comply with all the required requirements. And there are a bunch. Allow everyone to compete.

At the last council meeting there was a resolution in a jbill that will create an "Urban Transition Area" in Riverside. A Special Drinking Zone. Now a 1 mile ban on a hot dog cart.

This will be in Rules and RCD

Councilman Redman spoke at the council meeting during a public hearing. I hope he opposes it.

 

[sheclown]

Would the current hot dog stands we grandfathered in?  If they were legal when they opened, would they still be legal regardless of the change in the law?