Amendment 4: Approve or Oppose?

[tufsu1]

well that is unfortunate and somewhat surprisng....usually 600 people and 2300 signatures sway the vote.

[CS Foltz]

I agree tufsu! I was somewhat dismayed to put it mildly! But at least John Boy did the right thing.......that might have been due to the 2500+ E Mails he got, but either way he did the right thing for a change!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

During that situation, our Council Representative, at the time was Art Graham, he said point blank "Not good for the City or the area"! There were 3 bus loads of people who showed up,Better Bay Meadows Community Council arranged for the bus's. There were over 600 people who showed up in Council Chambers, I was one of them and had my 3 minutes of fame, even wore a suit just for the event.............Council still voted to pass DR Horton's Project! A petetion with over 2300 signitures was presented on behalf of the area and the Council still voted to approve! If Johnny had not seen fit to veto, Bay Meadows would be even more screwed up than it is now............thanks ITS System..............that is another thread though. Council dropped the ball plain and simple! This situation has convinced me that Amendment 4 is needed and I am voting Yes no matter who says what......saw it first hand, was there and it won't happen in my world again!

But if it passes, then what do you do when your DR Horton Project in Baymeadows is lumped in with something really trendy on the westside?  Will your 2800 opposers to DR Horton be able to outvote 10k people on Blanding Blvd?  Because if it really is 'one munincipality', then who is really looking at all the issues at hand that don't affect them?

[CS Foltz]

Non-RedNeck Westsider......should be a seperate issue! This is my take on Amendent 4 though and we do have the Council supposedly looking at the best interests for all concerned! Either way 4 to me, is better than what we have now and if the voters elect to change that also, have no problem with it! Voters should be involved one way or the other no matter what so the wheel will show just what we, the voters, want............can't ask for more than that I don't think!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Honestly, I don't know the in's & out's of the bill.  I haven't had the energy to do the research required.  But I had those questions based on following the thread.  IMO, I don't see how it can be a good thing for me to have a say in your issues, geog. speaking, nor do I think you should care whether another bar-b-q place goes up near my house.  So if it is written as I understand it, that would be the case.

All in all, I don't think it will matter one way or the other unless they can break it apart into districts, as we have now.  Because big money will find a way to get the vote pushed to their side one way or another.

[CS Foltz]

I concur! To me what will identify any issue being pushed by a developer or monied special interests will be the TV add's proclaiming ............vote Yes on this..............thats going to be my first heads up of who what when  and how! From there, will just be a question of some looking into the issue! I have no problem with that and look forward to the involvement! But thats just me!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

for all of our sakes, if it passes let's hope that most people take the same stance as you.

[tufsu1]

so far, it has failed miserably.....65% voting NO

[thelakelander]

If it's one thing most Floridians don't like, it's paying higher taxes. Amendment 4 would have done just that.

[north miami]

Every since the MJ forum Oct 24 +/- CS Folz comment that Nocatee was formerly nothing but trees I have refrained from even viewing mostly mindless MJ meandering on the subject.

Nocatee a great metaphor- the development community ( and the Public!!!) responded to 4 as if a giant statewide comp plan change.

Have not seen the first Hometown pro sign but the Thumbs Down NO! of course everywhere,popping up like rezone sign at often telling locations.My favorite so far the cement plant alongside I-95 in south Florida-including the cement trucks.And earlier a key mitigation parcel alongside I-95 in St.Johns County.

Although a 'win" for No! there is a substantial army of "Yes" votes and renewed curiosity, post election research and the emerging inevitable things about ....."Growth".

ONWARD!!

[tufsu1]

Sure the Vote NO on 4 side had much more money...but money doesn't always win...heck Rick Scott spent tons of $ in a highly Republican year and still only won by 1%

On the other hand, only one county in Florida (Monroe) even had a majority of voters in favor of the amendment....and there it was only 50.5 to 49.5. 

[Jumpinjack]

All you who suck at the tit of the development industry, shut your darn mouth. You won, the status quo in Florida is still intact. Give up your lectures and smarmy justifications and have the grace to be quiet.

[tufsu1]

All you who suck at the tit of the development industry, shut your darn mouth. You won, the status quo in Florida is still intact. Give up your lectures and smarmy justifications and have the grace to be quiet.

huh?

[Garden guy]

We are all at the mercy of developers and the wealthy. As far as i'm concerned there should be a law that prevents homeowners from putting HUD housing in neighborhoods that don't want them. I have seen this nice quiet neighborhood turn to trash in just a few years...i'm sick of this HUD maddness....do we as home "owners" have any recourse?...i'm sick of the violence, drugs and just plain nastyness. This on top of the developers that are allowed to do what they will are what is dragging our home places into maddness.

[north miami]

Sure the Vote NO on 4 side had much more money...but money doesn't always win...heck Rick Scott spent tons of $ in a highly Republican year and still only won by 1%

On the other hand, only one county in Florida (Monroe) even had a majority of voters in favor of the amendment....and there it was only 50.5 to 49.5. 

It is a good answer that knows when to stop.

NO! proponents had the answer to everthing and the solution to nothing.