Anyone know what the chances are? A nice fast food place could probably do excellent late-night business if it was within walking distance of the Bay Street (and new bars) Bars. Didn't know if anyone knew some secrets or insider info or something.
I would think Sweet Pete should expand to downtown with his truck - they guy that's outside of SQ1 on the weekends.
QuoteDunno. DVI has unleashed a whole new wave of parking and code enforcement plus cop action onto Bay Street at night.
Their latest white paper is apparently backing a proposal to make all parking meters active at night with parking enforcement issuing tickets.
If this happens, I PROMISE I will never go to a downtown bar again. Most know that I am a strong advocate for and a frequent patron of downtown bars. I do love the venues down there, but I've gotten two $58 tickets in the past month (both of which got torn up and set on fire). What is in Terry Lorince's head that would make her think this is a good idea?? This is one of the more idiotic things I've ever heard.
If this happens, every single downtown bar or club will be closed within 2 years.
I hope this is not true.
^ Are they going to be doing anything about people parking at the courthouse??
If Sleiman validates parking at his private lots, he'll again have a monopoly on downtown entertainment. The rest will all fail. This is great news for the Town Center, Riverside, and Avondale.
WOW
So there really is talk of enforcemet of parking meters and charging for courthouse parking at night???
WOW
As for finding fast food options downtown, I am guessing that downtown workers either brown bag it or they prefer the establishments are not part of a major chain. When I temped at the VNA on Church Street, we liked to get our lunch from Blue Boy's or Jenkins - or from the mom and pop place on the first floor (Affectionately called, 'Little Russia' - no clue as to their actual lineage)... Normally, to save some money, I brown bagged it with a frozen entree and a soda. Same applies for when I temped at Prudential. When I had money to burn, though, I would stop by the Prudential cafeteria for breakfast and then for lunch. There was a lunchroom on the first floor that was also popular. It was no surprise that I gained at least twenty pounds while at Prudential.
I'd like to hear from DVI staff and Parking staff first....yes, the idea of charging for street parking at night has been floated...but to my knowledge, that's all it is right now.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 07, 2010, 09:49:17 AM
QuoteDunno. DVI has unleashed a whole new wave of parking and code enforcement plus cop action onto Bay Street at night.
Their latest white paper is apparently backing a proposal to make all parking meters active at night with parking enforcement issuing tickets.
If this happens, I PROMISE I will never go to a downtown bar again. Most know that I am a strong advocate for and a frequent patron of downtown bars. I do love the venues down there, but I've gotten two $58 tickets in the past month (both of which got torn up and set on fire). What is in Terry Lorince's head that would make her think this is a good idea?? This is one of the more idiotic things I've ever heard.
If this happens, every single downtown bar or club will be closed within 2 years.
What he said one billion times over. Right now, I have no reason to go into downtown except for business and parking is a zoo. As much as I love "the core" bars, If it meant not having to dig out quarters or pay for an expensive Republic Parking spot, I'd be just as happy not having to trudge downtown anymore.
Can you imagine trying to have a night out and having to run out and feed the meter or move your car? That's ridiculous.
Quote from: stephendare on October 07, 2010, 11:12:58 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 07, 2010, 11:10:17 AM
I'd like to hear from DVI staff and Parking staff first....yes, the idea of charging for street parking at night has been floated...but to my knowledge, that's all it is right now.
Well thanks for validating that fact, Tufsu.
When you refer to hearing from your staff, do you sit on either DVI or the Parking Commission?
I don't believe it says "your staff" or "my staff" anywhere in my post
wait a second, isnt police head quaters 1 block away from Bay St. bars? If any fights or rif raf goes down, they should be there in 30 seconds anyway...its their neighborhood!
There ain't any Police Officers at 501 E. Bay after hours. And mostly administrators during business hours. Patrol answers the calls downtown.
The Police could care less about the parking meters. The only parking tickets you'll get from JSO would be really stupid stuff that blocked traffic or a sidewalk.
Fights are part of the bar business, and all that is expected is reasonable precautions by the proprietor. The Police are not anti-business, but detest those which exploit underage patrons and allow drug sales/use in the clubs because it's "good for business".
This is a perfect example of the naive DVI sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong. Those women have no understanding of what goes on downtown after hours, and what is DVI doing operating east of Market Street anyway? The area DVI is supposed to cover, and confiscates $1.5 million in special property tax to do so, is bounded by (on the Northbank) the River, Church Street, Broad Street, and Market Street. Why are my tax dollars being used by DVI outside the area?
Many thanks to Councilman Don Redman, his assistant Scott Wilson, and Jim Bailey for their quick response to curb the potential damage had some mis-informed JSO officers exercised a zero tolerance policy on Bay Street. My understanding is that Scott Wilson telephoned JSO Zone 1 Brass, and they were not happy about how the Bay Street business owners were approached by certain JSO officers. The situation was corrected in house.
If DVI is suddenly so hot for public order, let them start with the area they are charged with, like the intersection of Laura and Monroe Streets. It's a zoo here on the weekends, especially between the hours of 2 AM and 4:30 AM.
Here's a video of some poor bastard being robbed and having his guts shot out on September 19, 2010 in front of the Snyder Church on Laura Street. No one seems to have heard about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M205UzmQK8I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M205UzmQK8I)
Shouldn't the JSO be patrolling Adams, Laura, and Hogan Streets, where the real trouble is?
Who want's to see the women in the car squatting and pissing all over the sidewalk at 2:09 AM? If there are enough requests, I'll post that video too.
The point is, DVI does not know what it's doing, and that makes them dangerous, as Bay Street almost found out. An immediate stop should be put on DVI, and the staff, like NYC does with bad school teachers, be put in a rubber room. They could spend their remaining time knitting warmers for the parking meters.
BTW, JSO has a bike patrol that I have seen out very late. They were at Newnan and Beaver around 12:30 AM this morning processing some of the scumbags that hang out there. It appears that new Assistant Chief Butler is far more savvy that the former management of Zone 1.
Not to try and stir the pot. But I went to DVI's facebook page and mildly harangued them. I was pointed to this paragraph of the whitepaper in question.
http://downtownjacksonville.org/_images/_documents/Turning%20the%20Corner%20_%20for%20real.pdf
Quote8. Improve Management of Public and Private Parking Resources
Parking in Downtown is a confusing and unpleasant experience for employees and visitors.
While there is more than enough parking in Downtown, inefficient management of existing inventory makes parking in Downtown one of the primary reasons people cite for not locating a business Downtown or visiting Downtown. Poorly-signed parking facilities, lack of directional parking signage and parking facilities that are unavailable during evenings or event times contribute to this negative perception of parking in Downtown.
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Current management of public parking resources is inefficient. Downtown’s public parking resources are managed by multiple organizations, including the City of Jacksonville Public Parking Division and the Jacksonville Transportation Authority. The aggressive enforcement of parking meter rules by parking enforcement furthers the perception that parking Downtown is difficult. Currently, the publicly-owned Water Street Garage is not fully utilized during the day and few public parking facilities, except for metered spaces, are available for evening visitors in the core.
Best Practices and Recommendations:
Establish a parking authority or other entity to manage and coordinate all public parking, including metered spaces, lots and garages, with an emphasis on both improved and more accessible employee parking and better evening and weekend utilization of facilities to encourage visitors.
Encourage and incentivize private parking operators in the core to make monthly-only parking facilities available for evening and event parking for visitors.
Implement parking wayfarer signage throughout the core of Downtown and take steps to improve signage at parking facilities.
Study and consider innovative approaches to parking, such as multi-stop valet parking, which allows visitors to drop off their vehicles at one location and pick them up at other locations.
Facilitate conversations between Downtown businesses and parking operators to identify employee parking needs and find creative ways to make parking affordable for both Downtown businesses and parking operators.
So it does seem (from this) that they are in fact pushing to have private parking facilities open up (hopefully free) at night.
Oh give me a break, DVI. What they're no doubt pushing for is to have street parking enforced/ticketed and the garages open to collect everyone's money.
So this goes out to DVI: You're not fooling anyone.
The first parking ticket I get when I'm at a downtown club will be the last time I go to a downtown club. Parking tickets are already the reason that I don't go downtown during the daytime, and who wants to be trying to hang out with their friends and have a drink only to have to go feed quarters into a meter every 45 minutes?
The only people who go down there normally are the captive audience who work for COJ or its affiliated organizations, or their employer works down there. That's it. This is why all the businesses closed down already. You already screwed the pooch, there is no guesswork, we already know how your ideas turned out. Failure.
The new businesses opening down there are...DVI: LISTEN TO THIS...the ones that are open during times that the asnine parking policies are not enforced. Haven't you learned anything from that?
Clubgoers are not a captive audience, and the only thing you're going to accomplish is killing off the one block worth of growth that is actually occurring down there.
Quote from: ChriswUfGator on October 08, 2010, 03:16:26 PM
Oh give me a break, DVI. What they're no doubt pushing for is to have street parking enforced/ticketed and the garages open to collect everyone's money.
So this goes out to DVI: You're not fooling anyone.
The first parking ticket I get when I'm at a downtown club will be the last time I go to a downtown club. Parking tickets are already the reason that I don't go downtown during the daytime, and who wants to be trying to hang out with their friends and have a drink only to have to go feed quarters into a meter every 45 minutes?
The only people who go down there normally are the captive audience who work for COJ or its affiliated organizations, or their employer works down there. That's it. This is why all the businesses closed down already. You already screwed the pooch, there is no guesswork, we already know how your ideas turned out. Failure.
The new businesses opening down there are...DVI: LISTEN TO THIS...the ones that are open during times that the asnine parking policies are not enforced. Haven't you learned anything from that?
Clubgoers are not a captive audience, and the only thing you're going to accomplish is killing off the one block worth of growth that is actually occurring down there.
I totally agree with you. I'm just reporting the FUD I was pointed to.
The courthouse parking lot is open at night(rarely full on non-special event weekends) and I believe the Water Street garage is open at night as well(as is the private lot next to Suntrust and soon-to-be Landing parking lot next to the Omni).
There isn't a physical parking problem at night, and I really think the parking 'perception' problem(which is very real) is slowly being chipped away.
We as a city have had these before and the results were great for parking lot owners, not so great for business owners
QuoteEstablish a parking authority
And I hope that this quote isn't referring to economic incentives b/c the parking lot owners already have an outstandingly sweet deal with the city
QuoteEncourage and incentivize private parking operators in the core to make monthly-only parking facilities available for evening and event parking for visitors.
That being said, I really like this idea
QuoteStudy and consider innovative approaches to parking, such as multi-stop valet parking, which allows visitors to drop off their vehicles at one location and pick them up at other locations.
and think this has started to happen with the nice blue parking signage that popped up within the last year but there is still opportunity for more signage
QuoteImplement parking wayfarer signage throughout the core of Downtown and take steps to improve signage at parking facilities.
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For the most part, DVI does a good job IMHO. But there is still opportunity to be better and to DVI's credit, they are very open to feedback from my experience. Of course, Mr Moran has more experience than I.
I do vote for the pee video as an FYI :)