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Title: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 03, 2010, 03:53:04 AM
North Florida CC Offshore Racing Series:

Saturday:  St. John's River Inlet to Fernandina

Sunday:  St. Mary's River Inlet to St. John's River Inlet

It is going to be a great time!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 03, 2010, 07:14:41 AM
Good wind, I hope.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 03, 2010, 10:02:09 AM

.SATURDAY...WEST WINDS 10 TO 15 KNOTS BECOMING SOUTH 5 TO 10 KNOTS.
SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. INLAND WATERS A LIGHT CHOP. ISOLATED SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON.
.SATURDAY NIGHT...SOUTH WINDS 5 TO 10 KNOTS BECOMING NORTHWEST 5
TO 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2 TO 3 FEET. INLAND WATERS MOSTLY SMOOTH.
ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
.SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT...VARIABLE WINDS 5 TO 10 KNOTS. SEAS 2
FEET OR LESS. INLAND WATERS MOSTLY SMOOTH. SCATTERED SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS.

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Jacksonville&state=FL&site=JAX&textField1=30.331&textField2=-81.656&e=1


Winds look interesting changing on Saturday west to south starting around 1pm and Sunday south to east around 11am.  Should be a good race.  If they start in the mornings you should have reaching weather. However the seas may be counter and a bit rolley. Good luck to you. Let's hope there isn't a null in the wind during the shift.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 03, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
What time is start Saturday?

Is the start line off the sea bouy or the #2?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 03, 2010, 02:10:28 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 03, 2010, 10:03:25 AM
What time is start Saturday?

Is the start line off the sea bouy or the #2?

Starts @ 9:30

A "line" from R-4 to G-3
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 03, 2010, 02:16:26 PM
Good luck!

I was down at the Poles early this morning enjoying our buddy Earl and his wonderful waves.  Wind was blowing offshore from the N/NE... a lot less choppy this morning than yesterday morning was.  You should have much calmer seas tomorrow from what I understand.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: acme54321 on September 03, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
Is this for boats with sails or motors?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 05, 2010, 07:55:12 PM
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/race%20to%20Fernandina%20Beach/IMG_2378.jpg)

Sailboats---about 15 of them -- raced up to Fernandina on Saturday.  The weather was hot and the wind was light -- only about 5 knots, barely enough to push a boat through the water.  (I napped during the race).  But the water was beautiful and getting out there was a joy.

Sunday, start was delayed b/c a submarine was scheduled to depart out of the channel.  We were shoo'd out of the way by the coast guard (had to stay 1000 yards clear of the channel) and watched the parade.  

We motored south and began the race near the Nausau River.  The wind really kicked up (we read 24 knots) which was enough to get our attention.  And we all barreled down the coast toward Mayport.  It was a great ride.

Jacksonville is great place to sail.  For more info go here:

http://www.sailjax.com
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 05, 2010, 10:45:04 PM
sheclown.....do you guys use the liquid soap trick on your hull? A really good wax job is about the same!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: strider on September 06, 2010, 09:29:39 AM
We are a bit lazy and occasionally get a diver to clean the bottom.  I tried for this past week, but couldn't get it scheduled so we went with a dirty bottom.

Saturday's race was a test of patience.  The wind was 12 to 15 at the start and kept dropping as we worked our way to Fernandina.  We spent more time that we would like to at 1 to 2 knots of wind...not really enough to move the heavy boats like ours.  While at one time we had all of the other boats in our class but one behind us, the light wind is a great equalizer and several made it past us.  The wind doesn't just come back at once nor at the same place so where you are is often key.  Actually being further back on the course was a plus at the end of the race on Saturday.  Also, to give you an idea of the difference in the boats, the really fast boats finished just as the wind was dying and the rest of us took hours more to finish.  As it turned out, we were told we were third in our Cruising Class.  (there were three classes ...  the fast boats in Spinnaker (the big downwind sails you always see in the pics) the often fast Non-Spinnaker Class  (basically boats that are a bit more performance oriented but no spinnakers) and our class, the Cruising Class, the ones that have the microwaves on board.

Sunday, like Sheclown said, we had to delay for the submarine.  It was quite a event with several threatening looking coast guard ships in escort and guns on deck fully manned.  The delay was OK though as there really was no wind.  That is why we motored down to the buoy off of the Nassau River and started from there.  As we began maneuvering for the start, the wind built from 8 and 9 to over 20 very quickly.  We found ourselves dealing with a malfunctioning winch and other gear not cooperating and so things got a bit harry during the start.  We were overpowered (had too much sail up) for the over twenty knot (about 23 MPH) wind and with the malfunctioning gear, the four of us were all but overwhelmed.  We got things under control and back on track with shortened sail and settled into a nice cruise back to Jacksonville.  Except that we were not sure whether we started the race properly (we may have been over the line early) and we forgot to shut off the inboard diesel (which must be done four minutes before the start) until after the offical start time (we were a tad busy and with the wind howling, we couldn't hear the thing for a change!). That meant that even though we ended up doing reasonably well amongst our fleet of fellow cruisers, we had to disqualify ourselves at the end.  It was fun even so and even when you have issues like we did, you come away with a feeling of accomplishment.

Sheclown. I am sure, will put up another pic or two. Overall, a great way to spend a long weekend!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 06, 2010, 09:39:21 AM
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/IMG_2437.jpg)

Sunday--the ocean and the sailing--is a different experience...
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 06, 2010, 10:07:02 AM
What Strider didn't say was that he couldn't hear the inboard over my screaming "Roll up the effin' jib you sonabitch!"

LOL.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 06, 2010, 10:12:42 AM
tell us something about the boats that were racing......
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 06, 2010, 02:29:28 PM
Glad to...even have some pics. 
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 06, 2010, 03:16:02 PM
QuoteWhat Strider didn't say was that he couldn't hear the inboard over my screaming "Roll up the effin' jib you sonabitch!"

LOL.

LOL, nothing worse than putzing around on the ocean with no wind!  Tempers start to flare up after a few hours haha
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: gatorback on September 06, 2010, 07:18:26 PM
Cool! I missing sailing in the Atlantic. Currently, I'm stuck to Galveston Bay--Which is 1000X better then any lake, just 10,000X worse the off Florida.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 06, 2010, 07:44:50 PM
Whisper, the C & C 38, was the race committee boat.  It is hard to get pictures of Whisper as she soon is out front of any other boats during any race, including Charleston.  She's a beauty though, and her crew is amazing.

Here are some other boats.

(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/IMG_2390.jpg)

(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/IMG_2444.jpg)
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 06, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
(http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab165/sheclown/IMG_2457.jpg)
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 06, 2010, 09:17:31 PM
You really need to clean the bottom strider................would do  a world of wonder for your downwind leg, but thats just me! Understand all about time to get things squared away!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 07, 2010, 06:34:10 AM
CS...are you a sailor?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 07, 2010, 07:07:26 AM
Used to be long ago sheclown! Was navigator for a Newport to Bermuda race many years ago in 73......placed 2nd in class by the way! Spent 9 yrs,8 mths & 28 days in the USCG, time was split between ships, loran stations and search and rescue! Miss the small boats for sure and have not sailed competitively in years......it was fun though!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 07, 2010, 08:58:15 PM
I'll contact you next race --
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: strider on September 08, 2010, 04:32:50 PM
Some asked about the boats.  While you may see bigger boats in Sheclown's pics, the boats actually raced are from the smaller 24 ish to the larger 50 ish.  This race had a range of about 27 foot to 47 foot. Anything from the cheap and old to the almost new.  Our strider is an S2 35c (Built by S2 Yachts in Michigan, 35 foot, center cockpit) that is 24 years old. She is a performance cruiser, meaning that it has real accommodations below and is designed to be a reasonably good sailing boat in most conditions.  In Strider's case, the emphasis is on cruising.  A very fast boat is Whisper, a 1986 C&C 38, also a performance cruiser, but with C&C boats, the emphasis is mostly on performance. As all boats are not created equal, a handicap system is used.  Strider's PHRF rating is 153 with a Spinnaker and 174 without. The C&C38 is 114 with a Spinnaker and 135 without.  This is the number of seconds a mile each boat is awarded above a zero rated boat.  Or, another way to look at it is that the C&C 38 gives us 39 seconds a mile, or they must beat us by 6 1/2 minutes to win on a ten mile course. As you can see, the C&C 38 is much faster than our S2 35C. On top of they, the three classes divides the boats up even more.  To get an idea of how this works, you can go to :

http://www.sailjax.com/

Also, the race committee did not agree with our self disqualification (I guess they saw the start and they decided not to penalize us for the engine issue) and we ended up third on Sunday again as well.  If you go to the link, the results and other information is available.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 05:09:08 PM
This is the race i look forword to

http://www.jaxriverrallypokerrun.com/index.php

and this is my dream boat

http://www.aeromarine.com/yachts/fountain_47_sport_cruiser.htm
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: strider on September 08, 2010, 05:35:12 PM
On the way back up the river on Sunday, several of the tunnel hulled and regular cigs passed us...of course the noise was with us longer than the boat itself. Just as a point of interest, the amount of fuel (in dollars) one of those boats uses to go from behind us to ahead of us is about what we burned all weekend. Though I do admit, they are cool!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 05:38:50 PM
Fast boats and bikini's gotta love um
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
Here are a few of my favorite quotes

Boats, like whiskey, are all good." -R.D. (Pete) Culler

"A ship is always referred to as "she" because it costs so much to keep her in paint and powder." -ADM. Chester Nimitz

"I want a boat that drinks 6, eats 4, and sleeps 2." -Earnest K. Gann  ;D

"If a man is to be obsessed by something, I suppose a boat is as good as anything, perhaps a bit better than most." -E. B. White

Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 08, 2010, 06:39:09 PM

"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worth doing, as simply messing about in boats....or with boats."

The Wind in the Willows,
by Kenneth Grahame, 1908
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 08, 2010, 07:37:24 PM
My father was the Keeper of the Eddystone Light
and he slept with a mermaid one fine night
and out of the union there came three
a porpoise, a porgy, and the other was me

Yo ho ho, the wind blows free,
Oh for the life on the rolling sea!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 07:39:48 PM
The wind in my hair, the salt on my face, these things are good,

and about me
12 years at sea on ships from 82 to 210 feet
8 years operating small boats 17 to 44 feet
0 time on sail boats but thats just me
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 08, 2010, 07:42:20 PM
One night, as I was a trimming the glim
singing a verse from the evening hymn
I heard a voice cry out an "ahoy!"
and there was my mother sitting on a buoy

Yo ho ho, the wind blows free
oh for the life on the rolling sea!

to be continued.....
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
It seems all boating events are growing by leaps and bounds.
I plan on attending this one in september


Information:
Craig - 504-430-1368
Or patriotpokerrun@cox.net
7th Annual
Patriot Poker Run
Benefiting : Lake Pontchartrain Basin Foundation
Save Our Lakeâ€"Save Our Coast
Saturday - September 25, 2010
Mail Entries to:
Patriot Poker Run
8740 Donnaway St
Metairie, LA 70003
Leaving at 10am from Phil’s Marina Café Slidell (Captains meeting 10am)
Party Starts 4pm at The New Orleans Yacht Club at West End
Poker Run $175.00 Donation - pay by Sept 10, discounted to $150
Early mail in registration must be postmarked by September 10, 2010. Early registrants will receive 1DVD and two each of the following:
2 Hands,2 poker run t-shirts, 2 Continental Breakfasts@Phil’s Cafe-Slidell, 2 Lunches@Seabrook Marina, 2 Dinner buffets@the N O Yacht Club
COURSE STOPS
Phil’s Marina Café - Slidell 10am
“the Dock” - Slidell 10am - 11am
Barnacle’sâ€"Venetian Islesâ€"10am-noon
Seabrook Marina - Lunch 11:30am-1pm
Pontchartrain Beach 1pm-3pm
Landry’s @ West End 2pm-4pm
New Orleans Yacht Club 4pm
PRIZES
50% of all donations or up to $1000 paid
out to prize winners. The cash prize awards
shall be 1st thru 3rd place
Extra cards (3 max) may be purchased at the
N. O. Yacht Club for $10.00 each after 4pm
Your envelope(s) can be picked up at the registration parties or the day of the poker run at Phil’s Marina Café between 9am - 9:30am
Late registration will be taken the morning of the poker run at 9am - 9:30 at “Phil’s Marina Café” in Slidell (t-shirts may not be available that morning)
We suggest to all participants to spend some time at each stop to show our appreciation for their support
You may turn in your hand(s) at the New Orleans Yacht Club from 4pm - 5pm All hands must be turned in by 5pm or in line to turn in
REGISTRATION PARTY: 7-9PM
Thursday September 23, 2010 at Phil’s Marina Café - 1194 Harbor Drive - Slidell LA
Friday September 24, 2010 at the New Orleans Yacht Club - 401 N. Roadway St - New Orleans, LA
Saturday September 25, 2009 at Phil’s Marina Café in Slidell 9am - 9:30am (t-shirts may not be available that morning)
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 08:15:55 PM
Poker runs, regattas, classic boat shows, holiday boat parades or just partying at places like Destin Fl are becoming bigger and bigger and that's great for an old salt like me
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 08, 2010, 08:51:23 PM
"I gave all my money and my time..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UalHR3FErY4&feature=related

....sailing takes me away....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMkIuKXwmlU&feature=related
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 08, 2010, 10:28:34 PM
Im on a boat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUjx4_X1qA
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 09, 2010, 02:38:01 AM
Boat party places are popping up everywere. Does Jacksonville have a place yet here are two examples if you have not seen one. They are a blast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVb-mWOU4fw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKP7cnRtB9w
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 09, 2010, 09:50:00 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 09, 2010, 02:38:01 AM
Boat party places are popping up everywere. Does Jacksonville have a place yet here are two examples if you have not seen one. They are a blast!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVb-mWOU4fw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKP7cnRtB9w

The two places I know of where boaters congregate on the weekend is a spot way down South on the Ortega River almost near Collins Rd.
There's also a strip of beach land accessible only by boat near the Kingsley/Hugenot area up river.

I did have the pleasure of watching some cigarrete boats meet up and ultimately start going full throttle right at the foot of the 680' Shipyards pier Sunday morning.  Imagine what a vantage point that pier could be for the starting piont of more poker runs?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 09, 2010, 09:52:33 AM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKP7cnRtB9w
[/quote]

The two places I know of where boaters congregate on the weekend is a spot way down South on the Ortega River almost near Collins Rd.
There's also a strip of beach land accessible only by boat near the Kingsley/Hugenot area up river.

I did have the pleasure of watching some cigarrete boats meet up and ultimately start going full throttle right at the foot of the 680' Shipyards pier Sunday morning.  Imagine what a vantage point that pier could be for the starting piont of more poker runs?
[/quote]

shouldn't it be down river ?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 09, 2010, 10:06:15 AM
Well, if you want to be all technical with tidal flow and all... then yes  ;D
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 09, 2010, 02:48:09 PM
well I guess some reseach needs to be done to find a spot close to down town and start a boat party area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSDEcN4dFo
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 09, 2010, 02:54:35 PM
Daytona has bike week why doesn't Jacksonville start Boat week. It is the river city after all.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 09, 2010, 03:17:22 PM
Jacksonville would not be the first to have a boat week but with its location it could bring a lot of money into Jacksonville. we could do it in conjunction with the annual poker run

http://www.emeraldcoastpokerrun.com/events.shtml

http://www.jaxriverrallypokerrun.com/index.php
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 09, 2010, 09:27:32 PM
Antique and classic boat could also be part of a boat week

http://www.woodboat.biz/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 10, 2010, 07:42:05 AM
Charleston  & Key West bring tons of people to their sailboat regattas every year.  Race weeks are great for the local economy.   Small boats could race on the river and larger ones on the ocean.

Fort Pierce started a "Cheap Ass Regatta" two years ago.  Joe and I raced in that.  I don't know if they are doing it anymore.  Sailing Anarchy (a huge sailing forum) sponsored it.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: strider on September 10, 2010, 08:44:20 AM
Boat weeks - poker runs or regattas, which ever you prefer - are successful due to location, time of year and how well run the events are.  That builds reputation that over time makes the event big and successful. Charleston Race Week (which is actually shorter than a week) has been around many years.  It has only been the last few that it has been considered truly successful, a term that is more based on entry numbers than much else. The Cheap Ass Sportboat Regatta was a good idea and did OK, but Sailing Anarchy decided to put their efforts into a West Coast venue that was more successful first time out of the box rather than take the time and effort to build the Fort Pierce event.

Locally, we have had a very successful Mug Race, though in the past, like many events of this type, it was more successful.  The City once supported the event but has not for quite sometime. Having the local municipality throw in some support helps an event a lot.

Florida yacht Club started a Melges 24 regatta that seemed fairly well received, but they quit doing it, not sure why.  More recently, the local clubs have been promoting the First Coast Offshore Challenge.  They are hoping to make it a large and successful regatta. Held in March, it involves racing from Mayport to St Augustine, a race in St Augustine and then a race from there to Fernandina Beach.  We have yet to do the event but will most likely this year. They are hoping to eventually have over a 100 boats, but are still in the 30 to 40 range. 

One issue with Jacksonville is that it is a long way from the Ocean.  Unlike a place like Charleston which can have races for smaller boats inside the harbor and larger boats on the ocean, Jacksonville will have to do all on the river.  Not a bad thing, just different.

I have been thinking about a large downtown regatta for several years, but the logistics are difficult.  Even picking the dates is not an easy thing as you are competing with lots of other venues for peoples valuable vacation time. And add to that the vast amount of work the race organizers do, mostly all volunteers, to just keep things going and organized.

I do not know anything about Poker runs or the power boat part of the equation.  The idea of an all encompassing Boat Week, involving all facets of boating from the cruising aspects, boat shows, poker runs and sailboat racing, both conventional and match racing, is an intriguing idea. The logistics of the overall organization of the event would not be easy, but it could be broken down into segments or separate events that each local club could manage and coordinate with the overall picture. It certainly would show case the Riverfront in downtown Jacksonville.  Perhaps some future city administration would embrace it and help get it done.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 10, 2010, 09:33:08 AM
It would be cool to have some racing downtown, but how would you do it?  I could see people watching from the landing...is there enough room? 
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 10, 2010, 09:52:58 AM
Quote from: fieldafm on September 09, 2010, 09:50:00 AM..............I did have the pleasure of watching some cigarrete boats meet up and ultimately start going full throttle right at the foot of the 680' Shipyards pier Sunday morning.  ...............

..........Violating the speed limits either way. Down river is 25mph in the channel. Up river is 25mph in the channel to the mainstreet then no wake and slow speed to the Fuller Warren. (see the signs) 
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 10, 2010, 09:54:24 AM
Quote from: sheclown on September 10, 2010, 09:33:08 AM........It would be cool to have some racing downtown, but how would you do it?  I could see people watching from the landing...is there enough room? 


River is too narrow and current too swift for boat races in front of the landing.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 10, 2010, 09:57:56 AM
I watched a few cigarretes start a run this weekend off the 680' Shipyards pier  :).  Would make a great vantage point for a regatta... as would any spot along the riverwalk and the Landing.

Remember the power boat race in the mid 80's?  The southbank riverwalk was jammed pack for that event.  I remember vividly b/c my parents and I had to tie our boat up about 10 deep and the Marine Patrol wouldnt allow more than 8 boats to tie up and we had to chug over to Metro Park(where you couldnt see squat).

COJ Special Events holds Sail Jacksonville annually(and Theresa and crew have the whole logistics aspect down pat).  I think you guys have something with incorporating a 'boat week' type event within this event...

I agree that a 'race' wouldnt work so well in the area in b/w Acosta and Main Street... but that's not the end all be all of a boat week.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: strider on September 10, 2010, 10:14:18 AM
Actually, the sailboat racing could have the boats leave from DT and then race south on the river, with the start after the bridges.  Matching racing on smaller boats could be done between the Acosta and Fuller Warren (Did I get the bridges right, I always mess them up) and be easily seen from the Riverwalk.  The power boats could go the opposite way from DT.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: ChriswUfGator on September 10, 2010, 10:54:14 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 09, 2010, 09:27:32 PM
Antique and classic boat could also be part of a boat week

http://www.woodboat.biz/

The classic boat community here in Jacksonville is actually pretty darn huge, as I can attest personally  ;)

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk137/chriswufgator/Invincible.jpg)

And if you're looking for a floating party, Silver Glen can't be beat. It's on the NW side of Lake George, North of Astor and South of Palatka. I'm guessing you have a go-fast, so it's about a 2-3 hour ride for you, on some of the most scenic river imaginable, and a lot of fun when you get there. Bring solo cups to pour whatever into, it's technically dry. Bring 2 anchors and spend the night on the hook. Reason you need 2 is that the place gets packed, there are so many boats there isn't a lot of room to swing. The spring water is 70 degrees year round, which keeps the boat cool in summer and warm in winter, either way you don't even have to run the genset and a/c at night.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 10, 2010, 03:21:55 PM
Imagine the economic impact a boat week could have.It could even give the city incentive to do something grand with the downtown waterfront
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 10, 2010, 03:32:17 PM
If the size of the river at the landing is a problem just limit to smaller boat in that area and as for speed limits a special event waver can be obtained though the coast guard

http://www.dillon-racing.com/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 10, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
nice boat chriswufgator, is that a chris craft Constellation . Is it glass or wood
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: ChriswUfGator on September 10, 2010, 04:33:28 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 10, 2010, 03:53:07 PM
nice boat chriswufgator, is that a chris craft Constellation . Is it glass or wood

Yup, you nailed it. 1967 Connie, all batten/seam mahogany planking. Twin direct drive 327F's.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 10, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
chriswufgator how is the upkeep I was thinking of getting a wood boat to live on
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 10, 2010, 07:54:54 PM
Im going to try and attend this as well

www.thunderonthegulf.com

http://www.thepleasureislandpokerrun.com/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: ChriswUfGator on September 11, 2010, 09:13:52 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 10, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
chriswufgator how is the upkeep I was thinking of getting a wood boat to live on

Depends on whether you stay on top of it or not. If you buy one in good shape and keep it that way then it's not so bad, but most people buy a cheap boat thinking they're going to fix it up and then find themselves faced with a bottomless pit of expenses that never stops. That is true regardless of what it's made of. I do know a good 50s 40-something foot bullnose CC for sale locally with twin diesels that is in great shape if you're interested. Also it helps a lot to keep them under cover.

Wood boats aren't as bad as people think, it's rundown boats of any material that the horror stories come from. Anything marine-related is so expensive that you can't treat it like a car and think you're going to get it cheap and fix it up. You will always wind up paying more doing it that way than it would have cost you to just buy a nice one in the first place, and "boat people" for big boats aren't like car dealerships, it will take months and months (maybe years depending on the amount of work) to get it all done properly. And FWIW, that applies no matter what it's made out of, blister jobs, soggy coring, and redoing gelcoat adds up just as fast as replacing planking, which adds up just as fast as re-plating steel, you get the idea. Whatever you buy, make sure it's got all its maintenance records, and make sure you get a survey.

I would definitely say do it, but when you're shopping just remember that price difference on the purchase is probably 1/5'th to 1/3'rd as much as buying the same boat in rundown condition and then trying to fix it up will cost you in the long run. I bet know Strider and Sheclown can chime in on maintenance expectations, I know they've had their share. Big boats aren't like small boats, everything always seems exponentially more expensive.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 11, 2010, 03:33:50 PM
chris...........did not know that you have a old school wooden boat! Stay on top of the maintance and no problems......as in anything else! Just be safe and have backup options!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 11, 2010, 03:35:18 PM
One thing that would improve Jacksonville's image would be to make the landing more assesable to small boats (You would think with a name like that they would have already done this) making it a premiere waterfront destination is a no brainer. Take the boat out and have lunch at the landing. All they would have to do is place floating docks up to the obstructions just off the seawall.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 11, 2010, 04:03:56 PM
samiam..........makes too much sense! It would not take nothing at all to manufacture floating docks.........some empty 55 gallon drums and a frame work to keep the drums in place.......add floating walkway or gangway and poof!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
I know they have a few moorings but just not enough to make it a true destination and if you look at there web sight there is nothing about moorings. I not sure are there any electrical shore ties, fresh water and pumpstations. I know there is no fuel. I use to tie up there in the mid 90s in a Coast Guard 82 ft Patrol boat and it was a pain in the @ss 
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:29:53 PM
My former life up untill 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_y_sekGkI
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 12, 2010, 08:09:34 PM
FYI there is an article in the September issue of performance boats magazine about the Jacksonville poker run.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 12, 2010, 08:25:46 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
I not sure are there any electrical shore ties, fresh water and pumpstations.

The Landing floating docks are not meant to be overnight docks.  Again, special event weekends are different(like FLA/GA, NYE, etc)... but the docks are not unlike parking meters or parking lots downtown.  You can't just park your car at a meter all day Monday and Tuesday.  The Landing docks are meant to be no different.

BTW, all of these amenities are offered at the Metro Park marina.  And the RCB and Berkman marina(s) offers these services if you are looking for slip rentals downtown.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 12, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
RCB is a fun place to keep a boat. 
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 12, 2010, 09:42:02 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:29:53 PM
My former life up untill 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_y_sekGkI
impressive
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 14, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
I know they have a few moorings but just not enough to make it a true destination and if you look at there web sight there is nothing about moorings. I not sure are there any electrical shore ties, fresh water and pumpstations. I know there is no fuel. I use to tie up there in the mid 90s in a Coast Guard 82 ft Patrol boat and it was a pain in the @ss 

There are a few temporary mooring in front of the landing but the rest of the water front on the other side of the main street bridge is not very small boat friendly. and it would be an easy fix. it looks like there is room for full service finger piers.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: ChriswUfGator on September 15, 2010, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 14, 2010, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 11, 2010, 04:08:04 PM
I know they have a few moorings but just not enough to make it a true destination and if you look at there web sight there is nothing about moorings. I not sure are there any electrical shore ties, fresh water and pumpstations. I know there is no fuel. I use to tie up there in the mid 90s in a Coast Guard 82 ft Patrol boat and it was a pain in the @ss 

There are a few temporary mooring in front of the landing but the rest of the water front on the other side of the main street bridge is not very small boat friendly. and it would be an easy fix. it looks like there is room for full service finger piers.

Yeah with the exception of the landing, the rest of the waterfront down there isn't small-boat friendly. Getting off a big boat is easy, the freeboard is high enough that you just step right off, but if you're in a smaller boat you have like a 10-foot climb up onto rickety wood walkways with no ladders.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 15, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 14, 2010, 11:34:25 PM......There are a few temporary mooring in front of the landing but the rest of the water front on the other side of the main street bridge is not very small boat friendly. and it would be an easy fix. it looks like there is room for full service finger piers........

Back by the ship yards maybe. The area adjacent to the bulkhead has high current which would make finger piers complicated. But a good test of boat handling and crowd enjoyment.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: ChriswUfGator on September 15, 2010, 01:30:25 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 15, 2010, 12:07:59 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 14, 2010, 11:34:25 PM......There are a few temporary mooring in front of the landing but the rest of the water front on the other side of the main street bridge is not very small boat friendly. and it would be an easy fix. it looks like there is room for full service finger piers........

Back by the ship yards maybe. The area adjacent to the bulkhead has high current which would make finger piers complicated. But a good test of boat handling and crowd enjoyment.

I think he means they should do something like what they did at the landing, which is basically just to put in lower platforms for small boats to tie up to. It works fine at the landing. Although the current can certainly be a challenge. After tropical storm Fay, I remember having both engines in gear and throwing off a bow wave but the boat was still just staying in the exact same spot relative to the dock. It definitely gets moving through there.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 15, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
The area I believe you are talking about is a municipal mooring site that does indeed have power and water hookups(in front of Hyatt).  They often have large ships docked there like old clippers, navy ships, and the one small cruise line that operates out of downtown.  All the more reason to have a portion of the Shipyards property available for docking of small cruise ships and dinner cruises.

The Landing though has ample space along the floating docks(it takes up about three city blocks).  Except for special events, there is more than enough docking space... and then some.  And of course, the Southbank Riverwalk is usually completely empty.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 18, 2010, 05:34:23 AM
This is cool
http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/portland-retiree-builds-33-ton-sailboat-in-backyard/19635611
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 18, 2010, 05:57:23 AM
This looks like it was a good time

http://bncproductions.net/Scope%20Poker%20Run.html
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 24, 2010, 05:28:49 PM
The US Marines would like to invite you and every boater to come and participate in this most unique boating Toys For Tots event.
The Boating Toys For Tots Tour will take place in Palatka Florida on The St Johns River on the December 4th weekend of 2010.
We would like to invite all boaters to come to this most unique event. Plans are in place for party’s meals and good times. Projected participation is over 150 boats. All you need to do is bring your friends, bring a new toy and your boat to the River for this official US Marine toy drive.
Our vision is to get all boating groups clubs organization and industry professionals to come together under one umbrella with a single purpose; to make The Boating Toys For Tots Tour a Sensational event. We are welcoming vendors and sponsors to help make this event happen BIG. Also we welcome your positive input. Sponsorship and vendor opportunities available,
Contact Rus Matos 407 760 3481 E-mail raceboatrus@aol.com
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 25, 2010, 03:29:41 PM
Did anyone know about this or attend
September 16-20 Southeast U.S Boat Week
Jacksonville Fl. Jacksonville Landing
Looks more like a vendors boat show than a boat week.
It doesn't look like they are promoting it very much.
I'm into the boating seen I didn't even know about it. ???
other city's have events like this and there huge.

http://www.jaxboatshow.com/

I guess I will be there next year
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 25, 2010, 07:55:33 PM
weird
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 25, 2010, 08:36:51 PM
OK who ever is in charge of promoting Jacksonville events FYI
The next Boat show is scheduled for April 15, 16, 17 2011. I have not found out when the 2011 poker run dates are but last year was June 3,4,5,6 2010, here's a novel Idea how about holding these events at the same time and contact all the other local boat clubs and organizations and make it a true 7 day boat week instead of a half a--ed vendor boat show.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: sheclown on September 25, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
excellent idea samiam! 

Who is in charge of the boat show?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:42:51 AM
Here's is a sight about Jacksonville boating, Its very boring. The powers that be need to put something together that has some excitement in it.
http://boatjax.com/
All of these organizations need to talk to each other
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:46:57 AM
Quote from: sheclown on September 25, 2010, 10:44:52 PM
excellent idea samiam! 

Who is in charge of the boat show?


This is who promotes the Jacksonville boat show. Very poorly IMO


CurrentProductions.US
Attn:Jacksonville International Boat Show
1015 Atlantic Blvd.
Suite 152
Atlantic Beach, FL 32233
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:50:17 AM
Here are a few marine related organization and events that are located in Jacksonville.

http://jaxriverrallypokerrun.com/

http://www.aquapalooza.com/Page.aspx/pageid/9273/eventId/80100/view/detail/North-Florida-Events.aspx
The above is a fairly new event that Jacksonville need to embrace. There are a few local boater that did celebrate this but not many.

http://jaxperformanceboatclub.com/

http://www.nfccsail.com/racing_page.html

http://www.acbs-sunnyland.com/calendar_detailstwo.php?id=125

http://marinesource.com/Safe_Harbor_Boys_Home/index.cfm

http://www.fdrseacadets.org/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: billy on September 28, 2010, 07:57:42 AM
How about links to the Rudder Club and the Seminole Canoe Club?
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 08:13:59 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:46:57 AM.............promotes the Jacksonville boat show. Very poorly IMO..............


I think the show will be smaller than it was for quite a while. Many boat sellers are keeping lower inventories during this slow period. I went to Cruise N 2 on Arlington Expressway and was surprised at the space in the yard. Not many boats. But dealers that down size to the market conditions will be there after the recession..........recovery.......whatever this is.

I don't ever think the show here will be anything like the Ft Lauderdale show or Miami Boat shows.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:50:17 AM
Here are a few marine related organization and events that are located in Jacksonville.

http://jaxriverrallypokerrun.com/

http://www.aquapalooza.com/Page.aspx/pageid/9273/eventId/80100/view/detail/North-Florida-Events.aspx
The above is a fairly new event that Jacksonville need to embrace. There are a few local boater that did celebrate this but not many.

http://jaxperformanceboatclub.com/

http://www.nfccsail.com/racing_page.html

http://www.acbs-sunnyland.com/calendar_detailstwo.php?id=125

http://marinesource.com/Safe_Harbor_Boys_Home/index.cfm

http://www.fdrseacadets.org/

http://rudderclub.com/

http://flsckc.com/

http://www.makeascenedowntown.com/Events/Jacksonville-Light-Parade.aspx

http://fishingjacksonville.net/

http://www.jaxkayakfishing.com/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 03:25:54 PM
If anyone else knows of a boating event just post it and i will add it to the list
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: fieldafm on September 28, 2010, 03:28:28 PM
The Landing is partnering with a boat dealer to promote boaters coming to the free Friday night concerts.

QuoteDid anyone know about this or attend
September 16-20 Southeast U.S Boat Week
Jacksonville Fl. Jacksonville Landing
Looks more like a vendors boat show than a boat week.
It doesn't look like they are promoting it very much.

Yeah, promoters weren't really on top of it.  It was just one dealer that had a few models tied up on the floating docks and were there to answer questions... they were camped outside of Hooters.  Wasn't really a big deal.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
Let's not forget the little boats. They'll likely out fish the fancy inshore boats anyway.

http://www.jaxkayakfishing.com/
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: north miami on September 28, 2010, 04:22:15 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 08:13:59 AM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 12:46:57 AM.............promotes the Jacksonville boat show. Very poorly IMO..............


I think the show will be smaller than it was for quite a while. Many boat sellers are keeping lower inventories during this slow period. I went to Cruise N 2 on Arlington Expressway and was surprised at the space in the yard. Not many boats. But dealers that down size to the market conditions will be there after the recession..........recovery.......whatever this is.

I don't ever think the show here will be anything like the Ft Lauderdale show or Miami Boat shows.



The February Jacksonville Show conflicts with the acknowledged superior Miami Boat Show.

Local Jacksonville Shows and related promotion is typically undertaken by either the Jacksonville Marine Association or Jimmy Hill outside of the Association.It's a see-saw effect coupled with many new shows emerging regionally in the midst of a general recognition that there are too many shows.

Show Management,the mega Miami and Lauderdale Boat Show proprietor cancelled plans for a show venue in St.Augustine.
St.Augustine was clearly second choice to a Downtown Jacksonville location however Show Management was unable to come to terms with Jimmy Hill.(The reference to Hill's show as "International" is of no relation to Miami and Lauderdale shows)

Some area marine dealers such as Marine Max conduct their own events.See too www.jacksonvillemarinamile.com and the emerging 7 day a week "Floating Showroom" approach per Lambs yacht center and Marine Max.


Considering the substantial area shows long in place,sporadic Downtown Landing shows are a hard sell to area marine dealers.
Collectively Marina Mile dealers and members could host a Marine Mile Show & River Fest-again a hard sell.

On the boat manufacturing side we will see regional showrooms displaying a full range of inventory.No need to go to Miami or Ft.Lauderdale to see everything in the brochure.

Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
Let's not forget the little boats. They'll likely out fish the fancy inshore boats anyway.

http://www.jaxkayakfishing.com/

It on the list now
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: north miami on September 28, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
Let's not forget the little boats. They'll likely out fish the fancy inshore boats anyway.

http://www.jaxkayakfishing.com/

It on the list now

Dealers and owners of large vessels often complain of the lack of Jacksonville boating 'destination' while in fact smaller craft enthusiasts revel in some of the finest smaller craft waters in the nation.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
Here's another novel Idea why don't the the local merchants partner with the people that are actually using the products IE the local organizations. and set up a type of boat Cruise in ( car shows do it). Get a bunch of boats together and make it a true event. Like a boat week. people would say to themselves that looks like a blast I think I will buy a boat.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: north miami on September 28, 2010, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
Here's another novel Idea why don't the the local merchants partner with the people that are actually using the products IE the local organizations. and set up a type of boat Cruise in ( car shows do it). Get a bunch of boats together and make it a true event. Like a boat week. people would say to themselves that looks like a blast I think I will buy a boat.

Some individual dealers and manufacturers often do this with their own product, customer and prospective customer base.These events tend to be low key without public fanfare or participation.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
Quote from: north miami on September 28, 2010, 04:51:39 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
Here's another novel Idea why don't the the local merchants partner with the people that are actually using the products IE the local organizations. and set up a type of boat Cruise in ( car shows do it). Get a bunch of boats together and make it a true event. Like a boat week. people would say to themselves that looks like a blast I think I will buy a boat.

They need to do it with public fanfare and participation here is an example of how it should be done

http://www.aquapalooza.com/Page.aspx/pageId/28511/Signature-Event.aspx

Some individual dealers and manufacturers often do this with their own product, customer and prospective customer base.These events tend to be low key without public fanfare or participation.
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 29, 2010, 12:57:24 AM
gotta love a gas turbine ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fwFeywI86g

and here is some nice footage of the landing ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG6RH4SgmpY
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Shwaz on September 29, 2010, 11:20:02 AM
Quote from: north miami on September 28, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: samiam on September 28, 2010, 04:29:20 PM
Quote from: Overstreet on September 28, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
Let's not forget the little boats. They'll likely out fish the fancy inshore boats anyway.

http://www.jaxkayakfishing.com/

It on the list now

Dealers and owners of large vessels often complain of the lack of Jacksonville boating 'destination' while in fact smaller craft enthusiasts revel in some of the finest smaller craft waters in the nation.

Jacksonville, St. Augustine, Fernandina and all of coastal Florida is a great for boats of all sizes!

When I bought my boat in 2008 I felt like I just unlocked 75% more of this area.

I've got an 18' Bayliner bowrider. It's my first and only boat. I call it the Toyota Corolla of boats  :D

For the last 3 summers I've spent a lot of weekends pleasure cruising the STJR and Intercoastal waterways. The ability to search out secluded empty beaches is like having a backstage pass to North Florida.

My only regret is not buying a larger boat. I've learned a lot about boating & what I want from a boat over the last couple of years and I just decided to put my boat up for sale... I'm now looking towards a more practical & larger center console.

I've only been able to take my little boat a few miles offshore on really calm days. In doing that I got a taste for offshore adventures and I'd really like to explore, fish & dive a little further without the shallow hull limitations.

If anyone is interested in a great introductory  boat that's great on gas and only 4 years old let me know ;)

(http://www.north-american-waterway.com/2007_bayliner_175br.jpg)
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: CS Foltz on September 29, 2010, 01:22:14 PM
Shawz..........if you have not done it yet, I would suggest a "Coast Guard Auxillary" course and making sure you have all the equipment for a what if situation! Out of sight of land is a whole nother ballgame versus inland use!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: Shwaz on September 29, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Quote from: CS Foltz on September 29, 2010, 01:22:14 PM
Shawz..........if you have not done it yet, I would suggest a "Coast Guard Auxillary" course and making sure you have all the equipment for a what if situation! Out of sight of land is a whole nother ballgame versus inland use!

No worries Foltz... I've got a sextant!
Title: Re: A Weekend of Ocean Racing!
Post by: samiam on September 29, 2010, 07:25:10 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on September 29, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Quote from: CS Foltz on September 29, 2010, 01:22:14 PM
Shawz..........if you have not done it yet, I would suggest a "Coast Guard Auxillary" course and making sure you have all the equipment for a what if situation! Out of sight of land is a whole nother ballgame versus inland use!




No worries Foltz... I've got a sextant!

I prefer an astrolabe to a sextant