What are your thoughts on the new JTA bus shelters? I am reserving judgement on the design, but I like some of the eco initiatives they have incorporated.
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I would have preferred more transparent shelters but I'm not going to lose any sleep over what was chosen. The important thing is that they protect riders from the elements and include maps of the entire mass transit system.
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Wonder how many lazy riders will step from behind the larger side of the shelter into the street to enter the shelter and then get hit - probably by a bus pulling up! Why is this designed with intended entry from one side only? The lack of visibility seems awkward, less user friendly (a JTA specialty!), and unsafe.
From the photos, we can't see inside the shelter but I don't see evidence of system maps or schedules on what is pictured. Another JTA missed opportunity?
The copper color doesn't seem to look right with the black, but it may look better in person. I am glad to see the advertisement board, bike rack, trash can, solar panels, lights, etc. Definitely a step in the right direction.
Professor, now that you mention the bike rack (imagine it with a bike lashed to it) and trash can, I am wondering if this sidewalk can still support reasonable pedestrian traffic around the bus shelter. Seems like a lot of obstacles for through pedestrians. How well as all this been thought out?
^^is all you do is complain? do you have any idea how wide that sidewalk is there? by the looks of the picture it is more than 12ft, could be 20ft...plenty of room for a freaking bus shelter and not blocking anyones way.
There is more than enough room. There is not a huge amount of pedestrians anyway. hehe.
Quote from: fsujax on July 28, 2010, 10:55:11 AM
^^is all you do is complain? do you have any idea how wide that sidewalk is there? by the looks of the picture it is more than 12ft, could be 20ft...plenty of room for a freaking bus shelter and not blocking anyones way.
Complain? Let's face it, MJ is partly a "complaint/critique" board, so get used to it. Many of us are here to improve our community, see that the bar is raised, and hold our public officials and entities accountable. By the way, I was basically raising questions, not stating "facts". Don't be so sensitive. JTA has a history of less than great execution on projects and deserves to be carefully questioned. Do you work for or with JTA?
FWIW, the picture angle sure seems to show the bike rack and garbage can in the dead center of the sidewalk path to clear the bus shelter. I stand by my concerns based on this picture. If there is plenty of room, so be it. You made your point. And, I still voice my opinion that the shelter end wall going to the street seems awkward.(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/4837068097_1375f5443f_z.jpg)
The bike rack faces the back of the sidewalk. There is a good 12 to 15 feet of sidewalk width between the front of the shelter and Bay Street.
It is a really wide sidewalk. The curb is beyond the white van.
Quote from: Lunican on July 28, 2010, 11:56:24 AM
It is a really wide sidewalk. The curb is beyond the white van.
Lunican, I get it now! Since the van was parked in front of the shelter and the pavement changed color/shading at the front edge of the shelter it appeared to me the street came up to the edge of the shelter. It didn't occur to me that JTA would set the shelter so far back from the street or that we even had sidewalks this wide to work with based on most of them I have experienced. JTA gets "redeemed" on this one. Congratulations!(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/4837067421_bf270761ed_z.jpg)
QuoteIn partnership with the Downtown Development Review Board, the new shelters were designed to reflect the character of the Downtown area...
Oh shit! Am I ever glad that somebody posted those photos, I thought for a moment that the shelters would consist of giant piles of broken concrete and steel.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on July 28, 2010, 12:22:17 PM
QuoteIn partnership with the Downtown Development Review Board, the new shelters were designed to reflect the character of the Downtown area...
Oh shit! Am I ever glad that somebody posted those photos, I thought for a moment that the shelters would consist of giant piles of broken concrete and steel.
Ironically, if the shelters are meant to reflect the character of downtown, *thats* where the decrepit and dis-repaired wooden benches should be! Or better yet, no benches at all! Just a big open space!
But I digress.
In all seriousness, I'm glad to see that Jacksonville is starting to put on its big-city britches for a change. Better than the alternative!
LOL, is the guy with the blower just blowing the debris from the installation around versus sweep it up? Is that how we keep our streets "clean"? Just push the "garbage" around, never take it away? ;D
Check out the photos on the JTA Facebook page and you will see a better view regarding the space in/aroudn the new shelter. BTW - this shelter has a system map and on one side side of the advertising panel is a stadium shuttle display with the locations of the shuttle lots. JTA has added a shuttle lot in Clay County (across from the OP Kennel Club) for anyone heading to the Jags games from the south.
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Quote from: stjr on July 28, 2010, 12:34:58 PM
LOL, is the guy with the blower just blowing the debris from the installation around versus sweep it up? Is that how we keep our streets "clean"? Just push the "garbage" around, never take it away? ;D
Or is the blower to dry the glue holding the whole thing up, together, and in place for today's ceremony?
The latter......not the former!
Not bad, come on considering JTA this could've really been bad.
If JTA was not involved.............think we could do better?
I think the shelter is quite nice...it includes a route map, bike rack, ad space, space for a wheelchair....and it appears to be powerd by a solar panel.
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 30, 2010, 08:41:41 PM
I think the shelter is quite nice...it includes a route map, bike rack, ad space, space for a wheelchair....and it appears to be powerd by a solar panel.
Tufsu, we are not surprised that this is your opinion. :D Tell us something we don't know. LOL.
yawn!
have either of you gone down and checked out the shelter in person?
Nope.............according to Mr Millers letter, the new ones were to be used for the BRT route! But as long as your checking.........do you by chance know just what one costs? And just where is this one located?
CS...the ones that will be used along the BRT route are still being designed.
The one installed this week (at the NE corner of Bay and Main) is the style that will be used on non-BRT streets downtrown....there are supposed to be 24 new shelters installed.
As for cost, I don't know for sure....but it seems like it would be less than $10,000 each...and yes, I sure hope that the shelters they replace will get re-installed in other parts of town.
Ok ....thanks for the info! I will be making a visit..............what will they cost?
Quote from: tufsu1 on July 31, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
CS...the ones that will be used along the BRT route are still being designed.
The one installed this week (at the NE corner of Bay and Main) is the style that will be used on non-BRT streets downtrown....there are supposed to be 24 new shelters installed.
As for cost, I don't know for sure....but it seems like it would be less than $10,000 each...and yes, I sure hope that the shelters they replace will get re-installed in other parts of town.
RAH! The ones on the BRT will feature different paint!
Looking at the position of said shelter, sure hope there is room for a wheelchair bound person to transit around the silly thing! Not sure what the total cost of the whole thing is but if you say its about 10K tufsu, I will take you at your word! It makes me wonder just what labor costs are per structure are? We had this coversation awhile back, when JTA was bitching and moaning about costs per shelter, so like you, they had darn well better refurbish and reinstall the ones that are pulled out!
Quote from: CS Foltz on July 31, 2010, 08:46:53 PM
Looking at the position of said shelter, sure hope there is room for a wheelchair bound person to transit around the silly thing!
CS...don't make the same mistake stjr did....when possible, the ideal location for a bus shelter is at the back of the sidewalk...allowing peoiple to walk in front...in this case, there's probably at least 10 feet between the shelter and the curb, plenty enough room for a wheelchair.
They are just the most awesome structures JTA has ever devised... This should increase ridership .0005 %
tufsu........any shelter beats nothing at all! Still not really sure about placement, as in rush hour foot traffic across the face, bus trying to discharge or take on passengers, then add bike riders trying to stow or remove their wheels, wheel chairs going off and on, then add weather when everyone is trying to stay kinda dry! For shelters outside of downtown, that might be optimum placement but not sure in the downtown enviroment! One person gets bumped at the wrong time, bus stands a good chance of running them over! I would have thought placing the shelter at an angle in relation to the curb and closer to the street, would funnel foot traffic behind and keep the face open for the shelter users? People have a tendency to move toward an open area and the way this is set up, I think they are asking for issues that could be avoided!
Why do we continue to ignore the tropical storm weather conditions and fail to have coverage from shelter to bus? As I've said before, a simple butterfly roof overhanging the curb would do wonders for passengers boarding on a very wet day.
HellifIknow Ock! For 10K I think we could do better! Still have a lack of seating and not sure just how many sardines are supposed to squeeze into the thing! Solar panels are probably for lighting the advertisements and did not see any battery storage! 10K not counting cost of installation and maintenance and don't see any historical application or design............I am undecided! I think we could do better for sure!
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Those shelters are nice .
If you graded JTA on everything they do like a test in school, all I'd ask from them is a B at this point. You can't expect a D-F student to get straight A's honestly. To me, this shelter meets that criteria, and I'd give them a solid B at least. I agree with lake that I'd prefer transparent shelters, but again, if they got a B on everything they did, we'd have a far superior JTA than we do now.
Nice Job.
well, hopefully those grades will continue to improve across the board.
Agree....They certainly are not the worst end-product I have seen.
I actually like the the new shelters, it's the roof in our SUB-Tropical city that sucks. Find some way, any way, to cover the passenger from shelter to bus to shelter. Shelter's 101? This REALLY isn't that hard. The only other addition I would like to see is FREE-WIFI operated off the Solar Power Cell's. It's something better business oriented Cities and Transit Agencies are going to so we probably won't do it until about the time keyboards are obsolete.
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Grades got nowhere to go but up.............hopefully! Got lots of room for improvement people, not to mention a heap pot full of shelters that need to go up since they are kinda short about 1200 or 1300 or so!
Sorry to pull up this old thread, but I just saw JTA installing new bus shelters on Lane Ave. They look nice.
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Quote from: tufsu1 on July 31, 2010, 09:52:49 AM
CS...the ones that will be used along the BRT route are still being designed.
The one installed this week (at the NE corner of Bay and Main) is the style that will be used on non-BRT streets downtrown....there are supposed to be 24 new shelters installed.
As for cost, I don't know for sure....but it seems like it would be less than $10,000 each...and yes, I sure hope that the shelters they replace will get re-installed in other parts of town.
RAH! The ones on the BRT will feature different paint!
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Well Damn Boys and Girls! I was right again.
Ock, you're about to hit 10,000 posts. Make your next one count!
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actually Ock...those are the old designs...they may have changed now that the BRT is called the Flyer
It's about time. I hope these kinds of shelters aren't being built just for the BRT lines and I do hope that there is a private funding provision that allows businesses to advertise either with stills or with electronic LED signage at the stations to offset some of the public costs.
yes simms....it took many years to get through Council, but JTA has had advertising ability on its shelters for a few years now