Metro Jacksonville

Just some of my thoughts after reading the I-10 / 95 Exchange posts.  Feel free to vent on this one.

If you've ever seen or heard of ramp-meters, then you know they can be very helpful on the interstate. They're in San Diego among other places. The ones I drove through were designed to let a car or 2 from the left go, then 1-2 on the right, and so forth. So everyone had a true 'turn' to get on the freeway.
But thinking about that, they only help getting ON the interstate. Not much for exiting, although they will pull you over there if you try to snake your way around a line.

That said, I absolutely cannot stand the 'lane-blockers'!

By not going over the speed limit I know I upset many other drivers.

Quote from: north miami on July 27, 2010, 12:20:26 PM

By not going over the speed limit I know I upset many other drivers.

Not at all.  So long as you only go the speed limit in the appropriate lane.

(Segway into another major peeve)

Highways (read interstates, not Blanding Blvd) that have 3 lanes - The right lane is the driving lane, the center lane is a 'passing' lane, as is the outside (left) lane.  I haven't read a driver's manual in a while, so the state might have a different take on this subject. 

The assumption (for me at least):
Right Lane - Speed Limit Drivers Only, getting on and off the i-state.
Center Lane - 5-10 miles Over the Limit.  Right Lane drivers, if you have to pass do so at the appropriate speed in the center lane - that's why you have an accelerator - use it.
Left Lane - Haul Ass Lane - Everyone else, if you want to use the lane, use it properly - go fast.  If you see someone wanting to go faster, then politely move over before they start riding your butt, and don't start riding the butt of someone in the center lane.  Move over, let the faster car pass and then go back to where you were.

I make it sound so simple.

Annoying drivers are the ones who...
1. ...drive endlessly with their blinker on.
2. ...refuse to use their blinker at all.
3. ...tailgate in the right lane.
4. ...cuts in front of another driver only to slow down.
5. ...spend an eternity straddlng the line while changing lanes.
6. ...toss cigarette butts out of their vehicle.
7. ...deliberately speed up to keep people from merging into traffic.
8. ...do not properly tie down their cargo.
9. ...drive with their high beams everywhere, blinding oncoming drivers.
10. ...hold up traffic in a parking lot because the driver is talking to somebody or taking forever to let somebody out...

Sorry Non-Redneck, on a three lane road the right lane is the "I'm going to turn right soon" lane.  The center lane is the "I'm not going to turn for a long time and don't want to stop and accelerate all the time"  lane.  The left lane is the "I'm going to turn left soon lane."

AND, much to everybody's annoyance, I am going to go the speed limit or below in any one of these lanes.  It's an UPPER limit, not a lower limit!

On a two lane divided highway I will be in the right hand lane except to pass someone going further below the speed limit than I am.

Go the speed limit and you will never have to worry about red light cameras either.

Talking on a cell phone in the left lane anywhere.........including the Interstate!

Drivers who dont know you can turn left on red off of a one way street onto another one way street is one of my peeves.

As long as the left turn isn't you know, going the wrong way and there' not a "do not turn on red" sign, it's perfectly legal to do so. (as long as no one's coming)

Quote from: Dog Walker on July 27, 2010, 03:14:02 PM
Sorry Non-Redneck, on a three lane road the right lane is the "I'm going to turn right soon" lane.  The center lane is the "I'm not going to turn for a long time and don't want to stop and accelerate all the time"  lane.  The left lane is the "I'm going to turn left soon lane."

AND, much to everybody's annoyance, I am going to go the speed limit or below in any one of these lanes.  It's an UPPER limit, not a lower limit!

On a two lane divided highway I will be in the right hand lane except to pass someone going further below the speed limit than I am.

Go the speed limit and you will never have to worry about red light cameras either.

Typically there aren't any left hand turns on the interstate - that's why I qualified it.  I'm not sure what the correlation between speeding and running red lights is, but point taken.

It's OK, though, I will tailgate you in the left hand lane, taking my own chances with the radar guns and red light cameras, hoping you will eventually show some courtesy and move over, but you probably won't.  You'll continue to let traffic pass you on the right, while backing up everyone else in the left hand lane.  After a bit of tailgating and angry staring into your rearview mirror, you will harden your stance and either slow down or brake-check me, which isn't a big deal to me, I can see the frustration in your face.  Now it's a game to me.  You are being stubborn and I'm being contemptuous.  When we finally get home we'll tell our significant other about the jack-ass behind/in-front of me.  And tomorrow, we'll do the same again.

I have a special dislike for people who are driving through Five Points on Park Street and come to a complete stop --- where there is NO [BLEEPING] STOP SIGN!!!

Quote from: Jaxson on July 27, 2010, 06:44:25 PM
I have a special dislike for people who are driving through Five Points on Park Street and come to a complete stop --- where there is NO [BLEEPING] STOP SIGN!!!

+1

NOT USING the damn blinker is my biggest pet peeve.

It really bugs me when other drivers don't do as I wish.

what about excessive gunplay?

Reed and Jaxson already have mentioned the non turn signal idiots. Other drivers that inconsistently use they turn signal are even more dangerous; I guess they think that some times are important the use the turn singal, and others are not. What about senile old people that don't know that they can make a right turn on a red light, with no "no turn on red" sign? I can go on this thread forever with numerous driving pet peeves!

Inability to merge onto the highway.

Look, the vehicles on that high speed motorway you're getting onto are going 60 - 70 MPH.  As soon as you hit that ramp, stomp on the accelerator, so that by the time you run out of lane and have to merge in, you're going the same speed as everybody else.  It's almost like you're all sitting still, since you're going more or less the same speed.  A little more gas if you need to move ahead, a little brake if you need to slide in behind somebody.

Nah, that's too easy.  Roll up the ramp at 25, craning your neck over your left shoulder all the way.  Yeah, that's it.  Okay, now that you're near the end of the ramp, hit the brakes and come to a COMPLETE STOP!  Wait a while.  Let a line pile up behind you.  Now just blindly pull on to the highway at about 10 MPH and make everybody in the right lane swerve around you.

Along with all of the above listed, another annoyance are people that have "boomboxes' in their cars that cause such a vibration , you can feel them in your car with all the windows up and the A/C going..  This should be illegal.

"California Stopping " is a nuisance..  Also people who stop at or beyond a pedestrian crosswalk, and those who are leaving parking spots and stop with their bumper about 1/32" from oncoming traffic.  

Driving while YANKEE ought to be illegal...


OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Todd_Parker on July 27, 2010, 10:49:09 PM
what about excessive gunplay?

LOL, that's definitely not a good thing.

Quote from: Brian Siebenschuh on July 28, 2010, 12:20:55 AM
Inability to merge onto the highway.

Look, the vehicles on that high speed motorway you're getting onto are going 60 - 70 MPH.  As soon as you hit that ramp, stomp on the accelerator, so that by the time you run out of lane and have to merge in, you're going the same speed as everybody else.  It's almost like you're all sitting still, since you're going more or less the same speed.  A little more gas if you need to move ahead, a little brake if you need to slide in behind somebody.

Nah, that's too easy.  Roll up the ramp at 25, craning your neck over your left shoulder all the way.  Yeah, that's it.  Okay, now that you're near the end of the ramp, hit the brakes and come to a COMPLETE STOP!  Wait a while.  Let a line pile up behind you.  Now just blindly pull on to the highway at about 10 MPH and make everybody in the right lane swerve around you.

I wish it was that easy.  I have merged onto highways at full speed and have encountered douchebags who will actually speed up to keep from letting me merge safely.  

A huge pet peeve of mine is with traffic reporters.  I wish that I could be paid a dollar for everytime they use same cliches, like 'onlooker delay.' 
Onlooker delay?  Would traffic reporters rather have people zip through an accident scene, running over law enforcement and other first responders?  The move over law requires people to either move over or slow down when passing by such a scene. 
Traffic reporters think that they are being witty when they continue to cynically treat all drivers as macabre little bastards...
Just sayin'!

^^^All they (traffic reporters) are doing is getting down to the source of the slowdown. If I-95 is backed up for many miles, I would be glad to get that info. I don't think that they are suggesting you to speed through an accident scene. IMO some rubberneckers slow down dramatically unnecessarily; For instance, you're in an undisturbed southbound side of the hwy, and a minor accident is in the northbound side.

QuoteAfter a bit of tailgating and angry staring into your rearview mirror, you will harden your stance and either slow down or brake-check me, which isn't a big deal to me, I can see the frustration in your face.  Now it's a game to me.  You are being stubborn and I'm being contemptuous.  When we finally get home we'll tell our significant other about the jack-ass behind/in-front of me.  And tomorrow, we'll do the same again.

LOL!  Except I would never brake-check or slow down!  Seriously bad karma!  And would make sure to use my turn signal for my upcoming left turn.  What I might do is wash my windshield which would spray water back on to your windshield.   ;D

Red light cameras are actually speeding control devices.  People blow through red lights because they are going much above the speed limit.  Timing on the yellow lights is set for the speed limit.

Drive friendly; it's dangerous out there!

Quote from: Dog Walker on July 28, 2010, 10:05:28 AM

QuoteAnd would make sure to use my turn signal for my upcoming left turn.  What I might do is wash my windshield which would spray water back on to your windshield.   ;D

I hate that, too, usually because my windows are down and the spray gets me right in the face. ;)

Quote from: Timkin on July 28, 2010, 12:23:22 AMAlso people who stop at or beyond a pedestrian crosswalk, and those who are leaving parking spots and stop with their bumper about 1/32" from oncoming traffic.  

Hey now, when you've got a compact car and 2 huge SUV's park on either side of you, you can't see what you're about to hit or miss. So I really don't know if someone's waiting for me to back out or not unless I have a passenger to jump out and play traffic cop.  :P

ok...point well-taken , Heather :)

But the MOST annoying thing happens when you pull over to let fire/rescue go by. The drivers who were behind you are in Such a hurry that they don't let you back in the lane or just keep you off the road altogether.
If you are among this group, and you know who you are, come ON. That's just one of the lowest things you can do behind the wheel.
  >:(

+1  Anyone who impairs Fire Rescue deserves a huge ticket IMO

Can a moderator please fix the spelling of this thread? It's killing me... ;)

Quote from: north miami on July 27, 2010, 12:20:26 PM

By not going over the speed limit I know I upset many other drivers.

People are annoyed by your slothing along in the left lane and your passive-aggressive refusal to let others pass.

How fast is too fast for the left lane?  Just wondering...

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 10:37:03 AM
How fast is too fast for the left lane?  Just wondering...

No specific number really, it just depends on conditions and traffic flow.

If I find that traffic is going faster than I am, then I pull into the right lanes rather than watching with gleeful enjoyment as 100 cars pile up behind me in the left lane. If I am going faster than the car in front of me, they should do the polite (and legal) thing and move right to let faster traffic pass.

This particular aspect of driving is a study in human psychology, there is this little sub-set of controlling people who seem to think it's their job to determine how fast everyone else goes by slothing along in the fast lanes and not letting people pass. You know the ones I'm talking about, the douches in minivans who go 5 under the limit and when you finally get sick of being stuck behind them, they floor it to close the gap so you can't get around them.

If they want to go slow, fine. Nobody cares. Just move over and let others by.

Conversely, I wish that people will stop riding people's bumpers in the right lane.  Fast people belong in the left lane and slow people belong in the right lane.

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
Conversely, I wish that people will stop riding people's bumpers in the right lane.  Fast people belong in the left lane and slow people belong in the right lane.

I agree with you.

I always move left to pass and move right to let others pass me if they're going faster. I don't tailgate.

I wish people would respect the left vs. right lane behaviors thing generally. Highway driving would be more pleasant.

I'm 10th out of a line of 11 in the left lane and the guy behind me tailgates or screams at me.  I swear most people don't look beyond the car immediately in front of them.

Also, If I'm doing 75-80 in a 65 and walking the cars in the right lane, don't expect me to slow down behind truly pokey traffic for you.  I see you; and trust me, I'll get our of your way as soon as I won't have to slow down ridiculously to do it.

One of my biggest pet peeves... and I do not think it has been mentioned...

Driving with emergency flashers on while it is raining. ::)  Why?  Why oh why are you doing this?? 
Are you telling everyone around you that YOU are the road hazard? 
Are you warning us that precipitation is falling?
Is this a Florida thing?  I cannot say I have ever seen it elsewhere...

Quote from: ac on July 29, 2010, 12:47:50 PM

Also, If I'm doing 75-80 in a 65 and walking the cars in the right lane, don't expect me to slow down behind truly pokey traffic for you.  I see you; and trust me, I'll get our of your way as soon as I won't have to slow down ridiculously to do it.

I agree with you about the overly aggressive drivers who think that the left lane is their private Autobahn.  Yes, the slow pokes should clear the lane, but it is still no excuse to go tearing down the road at 90+ miles per hour.  That is potentially dangerous on many levels.

I love the reporters too, they have backhandedly changed the language for the worse:

"WE HAVE AN ACCIDENT WORKING..."   WTF? I've seen thousands of accidents, but I've NEVER seen one working!

"A RAILROAD TANKER JUMPED THE TRACK..." Uh? Tankers are ships, tank cars are part of a train.

"A FLATBED TRAIN CAR..."  Okay, flatbeds are on cars alright try, and PICKUP TRUCKS, and Semi's, railroads on the other hand have Flatcars.

"On I-275 in Tampa Bay..."  REALLY? I want to see this, a freeway IN the bay?

Then there are the incredible's.

"She was truly a HEro..."   Sorry guys, not unless SHE had a sex change.

and my all time favorite...

"He was a CO-Conspirator in the Auto Theft ring...." So he is the party scheming to the party scheming? It sounds like a double negative to me, there is NO SUCH THING as a co-conspirator.

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...Its kind of like,  irregardless . :)

Refusal to use a turn signal.
Waiting until you have come to almost a complete stop to use the turn signal.  It's turn signal THEN brakes people!!!
Rubberneckers, especially when the accident is on the other fricking side of the highway!
People who don't understand the Five Points intersection.
Tailgaiters
A$$holes who decide to merge into the far right lane on southbound 95 at the Fuller Warren right as Park Street folks are trying to get on the highway.  I really am surprised that there aren't more accidents there.
American flag/eagle plastered vehicles.  I'm all for being patriotic, but don't you think that covering your entire rearview mirror with the flag cheapens it just a little?
Hate-filled ignoramus bumper stickers.

I'm sure there are more, but those are my biggest peeves.

Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

And for the record, I have used right lanes to pass, and have even passed people using the emergency lane, that decided that going 40 in a 60 while talking with each other was safe and responsible. (not that mine was any better, but still)

But I will say this, after driving in Ireland and Northern Ireland, US drivers are freaking idiots.
Inside lane is the fast lane, seems everyone in Ireland knows so.
If on a 2 lane country road and you are going below the speed limit, you will be passed.
Those afraid to yield versus stop, good luck with roundabouts. You will get run over.
And you should see the country roads where the speed limit is 60MPH in Northern Ireland. They would be lucky to have a 35MPH speed in the States.

Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots. 

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 05:57:27 PM

Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots.  

It kind of depends on your perspective here.

I have one vehicle (an SUV) that I don't go that fast in. It isn't equipped to handle speeds. But I have another vehicle for which 90 is like you're standing still. The tires on that one are tested/rated to 200+ mph, and the brake discs are larger than the actual wheels on most cars. Just because someone's crappy minivan starts falling apart and can't manuever without a mile of clear distance in every direction once it gets over 70 doesn't mean that problem carries over to every other vehicle on the road.

But what's this got to do with some idiot going 60mph in the fast lane on I-95, refusing to move over for faster traffic, and flooring it so people can't get around him? I have news for you, controlling what speed everybody else goes isn't your job. Either move with the flow of traffic or move the @#$% over. End of story.

I'm not trying to start an argument , however if you are in the right lane, going the posted speed limit, and other drivers come up behind you , flashing their lights, and waiving etc..(except for emergency vehicles)  would you say then, that the driver should keep up with the flow of traffic??

To me , it seems the speed limit could be 120 mph and there will be at least 10% of the traffic that wants to go 140 just because.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 08:46:29 PM

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 05:57:27 PM

Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots. 

It kind of depends on your perspective here.

I have one vehicle (an SUV) that I don't go that fast in. It isn't equipped to handle speeds. But I have another vehicle for which 90 is like you're standing still. The tires on that one are tested/rated to 200+ mph, and the brake discs are larger than the actual wheels on most cars. Just because someone's crappy minivan starts falling apart and can't manuever without a mile of clear distance in every direction once it gets over 70 doesn't mean that problem carries over to every other vehicle on the road.

But what's this got to do with some idiot going 60mph in the fast lane on I-95, refusing to move over for faster traffic, and flooring it so people can't get around him? I have news for you, controlling what speed everybody else goes isn't your job. Either move with the flow of traffic or move the @#$% over. End of story.

You just helped me to make my point.  If someone wants to be a speed demon, they had better be able to properly maneuver their vehicle down the fast lane.  How many times have people lost control of their cars and gotten into wrecks because they think that they are the next Tony Stewart?  I don't mind the left lane being used for fast drivers, but I take issue with those who witlessly put their lives and other lives at risk because they think that they can push the pedal to the medal without the proper skills to drive fast.  Besides, if you are going 90+ miles per hour in the left lane and you still find yourself on other drivers' bumpers, perhaps you're compensating for something that a car cannot help...  Wow, we prove that we are the coolest vehicle on the road, but is it worth risking life and limb?  Yes, the law enforcement officers' job is to ticket those maniacs and it is solely their job only...  My point is that we should eventually take responsibility for our driving habits since our actions will ultimately affect others.  After all, a lot of these speed freaks are going to be inexperienced drivers, drunk drivers or, like you said - people trying to rev up their 1988 Plymouth Voyager minivan...  And, NO, not every driver is responsible.  That is why I-95 is a dangerous stretch of highway.  Don't expect me to tell you how to drive, but I certainly am not living under the illusions that everybody is like you on the road.  If everyone drove like you, perhaps we would not have so many injuries and fatalities on the highways.

P.S. - Don't put words into my mouth.   You don't know me well enough to assume that I think it's great for slowpokes to take up residence in the left lane.  I never said that and never will.  You're picking the wrong argument if you think that I do...   Try to pick a real fight with someone who actually does drive 60 miles per hour in the left lane...END OF STORY!

Quote from: Timkin on July 29, 2010, 09:56:42 PM
I'm not trying to start an argument , however if you are in the right lane, going the posted speed limit, and other drivers come up behind you , flashing their lights, and waiving etc..(except for emergency vehicles)  would you say then, that the driver should keep up with the flow of traffic??

To me , it seems the speed limit could be 120 mph and there will be at least 10% of the traffic that wants to go 140 just because.

No. I'm only referring specifically to the left (fast) lane on interstate highways. Nothing else.

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 10:07:40 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 08:46:29 PM

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Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots.  

It kind of depends on your perspective here.

I have one vehicle (an SUV) that I don't go that fast in. It isn't equipped to handle speeds. But I have another vehicle for which 90 is like you're standing still. The tires on that one are tested/rated to 200+ mph, and the brake discs are larger than the actual wheels on most cars. Just because someone's crappy minivan starts falling apart and can't manuever without a mile of clear distance in every direction once it gets over 70 doesn't mean that problem carries over to every other vehicle on the road.

But what's this got to do with some idiot going 60mph in the fast lane on I-95, refusing to move over for faster traffic, and flooring it so people can't get around him? I have news for you, controlling what speed everybody else goes isn't your job. Either move with the flow of traffic or move the @#$% over. End of story.

You just helped me to make my point.  If someone wants to be a speed demon, they had better be able to properly maneuver their vehicle down the fast lane.  How many times have people lost control of their cars and gotten into wrecks because they think that they are the next Tony Stewart?  I don't mind the left lane being used for fast drivers, but I take issue with those who witlessly put their lives and other lives at risk because they think that they can push the pedal to the medal without the proper skills to drive fast.

P.S. - Don't put words into my mouth.   You don't know me well enough to assume that I think it's great for slowpokes to take up residence in the left lane.  I never said that and never will.  You're picking the wrong argument if you think that I do...   Try to pick a real fight with someone who actually does drive 60 in the left lane...END OF STORY!

I wasn't speaking to you specifically. I have no idea who you are, much less what car you're driving in traffic.

Was just speaking generally RE all the people who want to play passive-aggressive and drive under the limit in the fast lane, intentionally not letting anyone by.

My absolute favorite is having someone come to a DEAD FREAKING STOP at the end of a highway on ramp. No comprehension of what yield means...just ALL ENGINES STOP. Then, since my car has all the acceleration of a tectonic plate...I get to play real life frogger.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 10:17:02 PM

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 10:07:40 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 08:46:29 PM

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Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots. 

It kind of depends on your perspective here.

I have one vehicle (an SUV) that I don't go that fast in. It isn't equipped to handle speeds. But I have another vehicle for which 90 is like you're standing still. The tires on that one are tested/rated to 200+ mph, and the brake discs are larger than the actual wheels on most cars. Just because someone's crappy minivan starts falling apart and can't manuever without a mile of clear distance in every direction once it gets over 70 doesn't mean that problem carries over to every other vehicle on the road.

But what's this got to do with some idiot going 60mph in the fast lane on I-95, refusing to move over for faster traffic, and flooring it so people can't get around him? I have news for you, controlling what speed everybody else goes isn't your job. Either move with the flow of traffic or move the @#$% over. End of story.

You just helped me to make my point.  If someone wants to be a speed demon, they had better be able to properly maneuver their vehicle down the fast lane.  How many times have people lost control of their cars and gotten into wrecks because they think that they are the next Tony Stewart?  I don't mind the left lane being used for fast drivers, but I take issue with those who witlessly put their lives and other lives at risk because they think that they can push the pedal to the medal without the proper skills to drive fast.

P.S. - Don't put words into my mouth.   You don't know me well enough to assume that I think it's great for slowpokes to take up residence in the left lane.  I never said that and never will.  You're picking the wrong argument if you think that I do...   Try to pick a real fight with someone who actually does drive 60 in the left lane...END OF STORY!

I wasn't speaking to you specifically. I have no idea who you are, much less what car you're driving in traffic.

Was just speaking generally RE all the people who want to play passive-aggressive and drive under the limit in the fast lane, intentionally not letting anyone by.

Fair enough.  It looked like that post was aimed at me and my 1979 Ford Pinto (jk)...

Jaxson... I know you are probably kidding about the Pinto... But I have a 1976 Vega :)

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 10:28:57 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 10:17:02 PM

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 10:07:40 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on July 29, 2010, 08:46:29 PM

Quote from: Jaxson on July 29, 2010, 05:57:27 PM

Quote from: jandar on July 29, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
Refusing to yield to faster traffic in the left lane in most states is punishable by fine. Jeb Bush vetoed the effort to make the same here, and recent attempts die in committee.

Plain and simple, drive slower than the car behind you? Are you an on duty cop? No, move over. You cannot stop someone for speeding yourself.

Agreed.  I just hope that those people who drive 90+ miles per hour in the left lane know how to react if they have a tire blowout or other emergency.  If not, then their bodies and wreckage will be blocking traffic...

Another pet peeve?  People who drive in other people's blind spots.  

It kind of depends on your perspective here.

I have one vehicle (an SUV) that I don't go that fast in. It isn't equipped to handle speeds. But I have another vehicle for which 90 is like you're standing still. The tires on that one are tested/rated to 200+ mph, and the brake discs are larger than the actual wheels on most cars. Just because someone's crappy minivan starts falling apart and can't manuever without a mile of clear distance in every direction once it gets over 70 doesn't mean that problem carries over to every other vehicle on the road.

But what's this got to do with some idiot going 60mph in the fast lane on I-95, refusing to move over for faster traffic, and flooring it so people can't get around him? I have news for you, controlling what speed everybody else goes isn't your job. Either move with the flow of traffic or move the @#$% over. End of story.

You just helped me to make my point.  If someone wants to be a speed demon, they had better be able to properly maneuver their vehicle down the fast lane.  How many times have people lost control of their cars and gotten into wrecks because they think that they are the next Tony Stewart?  I don't mind the left lane being used for fast drivers, but I take issue with those who witlessly put their lives and other lives at risk because they think that they can push the pedal to the medal without the proper skills to drive fast.

P.S. - Don't put words into my mouth.   You don't know me well enough to assume that I think it's great for slowpokes to take up residence in the left lane.  I never said that and never will.  You're picking the wrong argument if you think that I do...   Try to pick a real fight with someone who actually does drive 60 in the left lane...END OF STORY!

I wasn't speaking to you specifically. I have no idea who you are, much less what car you're driving in traffic.

Was just speaking generally RE all the people who want to play passive-aggressive and drive under the limit in the fast lane, intentionally not letting anyone by.

Fair enough.  It looked like that post was aimed at me and my 1979 Ford Pinto (jk)...

Haha, no, not aimed at you. Aimed at the moron in the Dodge Caravan who insisted on going the exact same speed as the car next to him from Saint Augustine almost to Jacksonville, and speeding up when I tried to get around him, last night. And I mean the exact same speed, there is no way it was accidental. I only finally got around him when the car he was next to moved right and exited. And even then, the douche cut me off with two feet to spare by jacking over into the middle lane as I was passing him, so I had to jerk left to pass in the lane he was just in. I couldn't go far right because there was a never ending parade of semi trucksSome people take real pleasure in controlling little mind-games. I really wasn't talking about you though!

you kids went agro!
along these lines -- anyone surprised you can still access the Union St exit through DT, from the far LEFT I95n/I95s partial bypass of the new 10 merge?

driving East on 10.
look at it.
DANGER Will Robinson DANGER

Timkin, do you remember the Cosworth Vegas?

All my driving pet peeves have been covered here, but I still ask the question if drivers education was taught in the schools the last 25 years.
Excuse my ignorance but who teaches a young Jacksonville driver to drive before the test?

I think that some drivers insist on staying in the left lane because it is generally the smoothest lane. For example, going south on 95 all the way from X340 to the St. Johns border you are literally driving on railroad tracks except for the express lane. The other lanes take a beating from trucks.

As for me I always pull over to the center for passing vehicles. Not everyone does.

ermnest, ^ you watching BarrettJackson?
I think a cosworth Vega rolled off the block

For me, a unwritten rule on driving. If you're the first car at the red light in the right lane going straight, and you are in a spacious turn area, try pulling your left wheels closest to that white single striped line on the left; You'd be surprised on how many right-turning cars you let by behind you. I've even let in large trucks many-a-time. Of course there are many idiots out there that only care about themselves, so they pull up right in the middle of the damn turning area blocking everyone. Same thing concerning a left turn, if you're the first car making a left turn, why the hell are you in the middle of the turning area? Idiots like that do their shopping the same way like leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the aisle, blocking people.     

^^^ x1,000

Especially on our narrow Riverside streets, it is the polite thing to do, when you are turning left, to pull into the middle of the intersection to let the people blocked behind you go around on your right while you are waiting for an opportunity to turn.  You have to turn more sharply, but that is not a big deal to keep the traffic flowing smoothly.

of course permitting right turns on red is generally a bad thing for pedestrians

Quote from: I-10east on December 26, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
For me, a unwritten rule on driving. If you're the first car at the red light in the right lane going straight, and you are in a spacious turn area, try pulling your left wheels closest to that white single striped line on the left; You'd be surprised on how many right-turning cars you let by behind you. I've even let in large trucks many-a-time. Of course there are many idiots out there that only care about themselves, so they pull up right in the middle of the damn turning area blocking everyone. Same thing concerning a left turn, if you're the first car making a left turn, why the hell are you in the middle of the turning area? Idiots like that do their shopping the same way like leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the aisle, blocking people.     

I agree with I-10east 100% about this.  I have often been stranded at Park and Post Streets and stuck behind some jerk who is turning left onto Post Street.  Northbound traffic is at the mercy of such inconsiderate drivers who force us to sit through two or three cycles of the traffic signal...

Another annoying driving behavior is when you encounter a stopped vehicle - let's say it's in a parking lot.  The vehicle is stopped for a few seconds.  It looks like it is not going to go anywhere anytime soon.  You go ahead and drive around it; the driver of the stopped car decides suddenly to move his car, too.  How rude!

Thinking the damn Yield sign means MERGE, something that I've noticed seems almost universal now.


OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 27, 2010, 11:34:46 AM
Thinking the damn Yield sign means MERGE, something that I've noticed seems almost universal now.


OCKLAWAHA

but to most the merge sign means stop and wait for a 1/2 mile break in traffic even though you have 1000 ft of uninterupted lane in front of you to accelerate in, so it evens out.

Quote from: Ernest Street on December 25, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
Timkin, do you remember the Cosworth Vegas?

All my driving pet peeves have been covered here, but I still ask the question if drivers education was taught in the schools the last 25 years.
Excuse my ignorance but who teaches a young Jacksonville driver to drive before the test?

Very definitely do .. mine is NOT a Cosworth , but for a 1976 is not bad.  It is a GT

And I thought all of the Vegas had rusted away YEARS ago!

Three more pet peeves...
1. People who decide that the entire outdoors is their ashtray.  Especially when they ash in the vicinity of passing cars or when they toss cigarette butts.  Apparently, these drivers do not want to mess up their own cars, but do not mind polluting everything else.
2. People who insist on coming to a complete halt when they make a turn.  I understand that there is a safe speed for turning, but taking an entire decade to turn is ridiculous.
3. People who tailgate in the right lane.  Either pass or get off my bumper!

Quote from: I-10east on December 26, 2010, 10:18:56 PM
For me, a unwritten rule on driving. If you're the first car at the red light in the right lane going straight, and you are in a spacious turn area, try pulling your left wheels closest to that white single striped line on the left; You'd be surprised on how many right-turning cars you let by behind you. I've even let in large trucks many-a-time. Of course there are many idiots out there that only care about themselves, so they pull up right in the middle of the damn turning area blocking everyone. Same thing concerning a left turn, if you're the first car making a left turn, why the hell are you in the middle of the turning area? Idiots like that do their shopping the same way like leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the aisle, blocking people.     

You're so right. That is the single nastiest thing people can do in Riverside. Because of the density, a car doing this can pile up traffic and make you wait for 3-4 light cycles. You can seriously go from being 15 minutes early to being late because of one car doing this. Some of them it's totally intentional too, they flick you off or honk at you if you pass them anyway. This is almost up there with the women trying to park in Avondale who shut down both lanes of Saint Johns Ave for 10 minutes so they can do an illegal 57-point turn because they don't feel like going around the block like they're supposed to in order to go the opposite direction.

Quote from: Ernest Street on December 25, 2010, 10:08:16 PM
Timkin, do you remember the Cosworth Vegas?

All my driving pet peeves have been covered here, but I still ask the question if drivers education was taught in the schools the last 25 years.
Excuse my ignorance but who teaches a young Jacksonville driver to drive before the test?

I owned a Cosworth Vega in High School.  It was Green with gold racing stripes!

Just got back from a trip cross country to Gainesville... Now I have a whole new hate! 

What the hell is up with fairly young guys, in brand new 450 cu in, V8, extended cab pickup trucks, driving 45 mph on a wide open country highway good for and posted at 65? Not just one, but about 5 of these jokers... some of them plodding along for a dozen or more miles. In the rolling hills of Trail Ridge and the Gainesville uplands, there is no way to pass with fairly steady opposing traffic.

DAMN THESE PEOPLE!



OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 01:17:34 AM

• People who don't follow simple and easy traffic laws. It's not a speed suggestion. It's not a stop-if-you-want-to sign, nor light.
• People who think that there are unwritten rules that all are supposed to follow. There are no unwritten rules. Just try following the written ones. If a road is beyond its designed capacity, then you're just part of the problem whether you invent new rules to navigate it or don't.
• Drivers who are impatient or in a hurry and who think those who AREN'T are the problem.
• The system that lets all of the above and their grandma have a license.... to operate a dangerous vehicle. Really, when driving went from a privilege to a separation between "normal" and "what the hell is wrong with you that you don't drive?" then licenses become a waste of ink and plastic. Just give out an American cultural deviant card to anyone who isn't allowed or able to drive and end the whole DMV charade. (You know, like the 'beard cards' BYU gives out to male students who are unable to or shouldn't shave because of medical reasons or disfigurement?)

And yeah, so..... pretty much most of the previous posters here. *dodges tomatoes* ;)

There's no law says I have to open the door for an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair either, but I still do it.

It's about common courtesy, letting faster traffic pass, not blocking turn lanes, etc.

Sorry you apparently need a law telling you to be respectful to others.

Quote from: Ocklawaha on December 28, 2010, 11:17:50 PM
Just got back from a trip cross country to Gainesville... Now I have a whole new hate! 

What the hell is up with fairly young guys, in brand new 450 cu in, V8, extended cab pickup trucks, driving 45 mph on a wide open country highway good for and posted at 65? Not just one, but about 5 of these jokers... some of them plodding along for a dozen or more miles. In the rolling hills of Trail Ridge and the Gainesville uplands, there is no way to pass with fairly steady opposing traffic.

DAMN THESE PEOPLE!



OCKLAWAHA

I concur.  We have people who blow megabucks to purchase to latest, top-of-the-line, gas-guzzling tank - only to drive along every road and highway like they are the long-lost spawn of Percy Dovetonsils.    While I dislike aggressive driving, I also am irked by people who would be better of riding a bicycle to enjoy the scenery...

Another annoying habit --- people who block intersections during heavy traffic.  The light changes and there is a complete standstill because no drivers can advance on their green light...

Wait a minute, I'm legally allowed to go over the speed limit on the left lane?  I didn't know that.  Would a judge be ok with that?  

I always thought the fastest I am allowed to go on a road was the speed limit.  Is the limit 80 or something on the left lane while 65 on the right?

The cutting me off just to exit one, now thats very Annoying.

Quote from: Jaxson on December 27, 2010, 11:09:08 AM
Another annoying driving behavior is when you encounter a stopped vehicle - let's say it's in a parking lot.  The vehicle is stopped for a few seconds.  It looks like it is not going to go anywhere anytime soon.  You go ahead and drive around it; the driver of the stopped car decides suddenly to move his car, too.  How rude!

I call this "Walking" the car.People are guilty of it looking for addresses,real estate and Christmas lights.
It's legal but annoying.Everyone should know to always yield to faster traffic (Even if you "Decide" that driver is wrong.)

Ya gotta admit it. Sometimes we are the "rude" ones.  How many of you would admit to honking right behind a car that only slowed to look for an address or not sure of directions or some old lady that needs new glasses.
Which reminds me of the old saying, it is always the other driver. Why can't everyone else drive like me fer Christsake? ;D

Quote from: Ernest Street on December 29, 2010, 04:46:37 PM

Quote from: Jaxson on December 27, 2010, 11:09:08 AM
Another annoying driving behavior is when you encounter a stopped vehicle - let's say it's in a parking lot.  The vehicle is stopped for a few seconds.  It looks like it is not going to go anywhere anytime soon.  You go ahead and drive around it; the driver of the stopped car decides suddenly to move his car, too.  How rude!

I call this "Walking" the car.People are guilty of it looking for addresses,real estate and Christmas lights.
It's legal but annoying.Everyone should know to always yield to faster traffic (Even if you "Decide" that driver is wrong.)

It's not the walking the car that annoys me as much as the drivers who suddenly move forward when you are trying to pass their car...

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 04:02:35 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 12:42:53 PM

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 01:17:34 AM

• People who don't follow simple and easy traffic laws. It's not a speed suggestion. It's not a stop-if-you-want-to sign, nor light.
• People who think that there are unwritten rules that all are supposed to follow. There are no unwritten rules. Just try following the written ones. If a road is beyond its designed capacity, then you're just part of the problem whether you invent new rules to navigate it or don't.
• Drivers who are impatient or in a hurry and who think those who AREN'T are the problem.
• The system that lets all of the above and their grandma have a license.... to operate a dangerous vehicle. Really, when driving went from a privilege to a separation between "normal" and "what the hell is wrong with you that you don't drive?" then licenses become a waste of ink and plastic. Just give out an American cultural deviant card to anyone who isn't allowed or able to drive and end the whole DMV charade. (You know, like the 'beard cards' BYU gives out to male students who are unable to or shouldn't shave because of medical reasons or disfigurement?)

And yeah, so..... pretty much most of the previous posters here. *dodges tomatoes* ;)

There's no law says I have to open the door for an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair either, but I still do it.

It's about common courtesy, letting faster traffic pass, not blocking turn lanes, etc.

Sorry you apparently need a law telling you to be respectful to others.

It's interesting how selective you can be with that respect on a forum, then. How exactly is it "apparent" what you say? There is nothing in my post about courtesy, because whether I practice it, my pet peeves about other drivers don't revolve around it. They are only about safety and lawfulness. It bugs me more if someone doesn't use a turn signal or pay attention to their surroundings than it would if they were rude (impeding traffic not included, as the law covers that.) There is nothing about operating a potentially dangerous vehicle that you can equate to opening a door for the elderly, especially considering grandma is as capable of running over someone as you are. I am an extremely courteous driver, if you must know, but equally respectful of traffic laws. Most of what you mention are things that are required AND seen as common courtesy. These are not mutually exclusive, and again you don't have to invent new rules to observe them both -- like this weird thing about letting people pass you within a single lane because it's apparently courteous to break rules for people in a big hurry (what is that?!)

This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

Quote from: cityimrov on December 29, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
Wait a minute, I'm legally allowed to go over the speed limit on the left lane?  I didn't know that.  Would a judge be ok with that? 

I always thought the fastest I am allowed to go on a road was the speed limit.  Is the limit 80 or something on the left lane while 65 on the right?

Speaking personally, I don't view it as my life's mission to worry about everyone else's driving habits. If someone is going faster than me, I do the polite thing and move over to let them pass. If I wanted to interfere with speeders I would have become a police officer. Two wrongs hardly make a right. You know as well as I do that going 65 in the far left lane is a dick move, I don't have to tell you that.

Jaxson..I wasn't complete with my post. I have seen this in the Riverside Publix parking lot the worst.
Publix customers (and others) in the parking lot..backed out and in the traffic lane should be paying attention to BOTH the front and rear.
How hard is it for them to freeze on the brake pedal till you drive by? when they first opened I almost had several paint scrapers..
Also don't get me started about HUGE 4X4's parked in compact car spaces.. ::)
No disrespect here ..but if you have a Dually..you have a truck which you park in the back of the lot!

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 08:49:52 PM

Quote from: cityimrov on December 29, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
Wait a minute, I'm legally allowed to go over the speed limit on the left lane?  I didn't know that.  Would a judge be ok with that? 

I always thought the fastest I am allowed to go on a road was the speed limit.  Is the limit 80 or something on the left lane while 65 on the right?

Speaking personally, I don't view it as my life's mission to worry about everyone else's driving habits. If someone is going faster than me, I do the polite thing and move over to let them pass. If I wanted to interfere with speeders I would have become a police officer. Two wrongs hardly make a right. You know as well as I do that going 65 in the far left lane is a dick move, I don't have to tell you that.

Well from the Shand's bridge to Starke, it's almost all 2 lane highway, at that point one can head on to Gainesville via 301 and the Waldo cutoff which is all 4 lane. The only alternative is to follow the railroad route from Starke, through Brooker, LaCrosse and Alachua, which is 2 lane until one reaches 441, hence 4 lanes to Gainesville. So all of my comments are based on wide open 2 lane country highways.

Can you go faster then the posted speed limit in the left lane? NO. Can you go faster in the left lane just to overtake and pass a slow moving vehicle? NO. Can you go 65 for example when you see the 65 speed limit sign? NO. Can you slow down from 65 when you pass a 45 or 55 mph speed limit sign? NO.

You are not supposed to exceed the posted speed limit regardless if you are passing, or just motoring along. You may not reach the posted speed until AFTER YOU PASS THE SIGN. When you see a speed zone you are supposed to be going THAT speed when you pass the sign... in other words, you speed up after the sign, you slow down before the sign.

OCKLAWAHA

Is Waldo still SATANS speedtrap? :D

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 09:29:09 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 08:46:45 PM
This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

Mr. Polite, the simple point is that what you are describing are not unwritten. Except maybe the passing within a single lane thing you advocate, if I'm interpreting the description correctly. For that, try on the word unlawful.

Why don't you provide me with the statute number that directs drivers to be polite to one another...

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 05:14:34 AM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 10:23:34 PM

Why don't you provide me with the statute number that directs drivers to be polite to one another...

Better yet, why don't you look up statutes and read through the latest Florida Driver's Handbook and tell me what legal, safe, supposedly 'unwritten' 'polite' driving habits aren't already covered.

You're the one arguing there are no "unwritten rules" so since I've said already that the main unwritten rule is to be polite to other drivers, the obligation is on you to prove your argument and demonstrate that the rule is written. That was your argument, not mine. So what's that statute number? Its not my obligation to prove (or as we both know it's incorrect in this case, I suppose 'disprove') your argument for you. If you didn't want to do your own homework, you shouldn't have made that asinine argument.

I have some familiarity with Florida law, and I can assure you there is no statute requiring drivers to be polite to one another, just as there is no statute requiring me to open doors for elderly ladies. But does that mean you shouldn't do it simply because you aren't legally required to? What kind of person needs a law telling them to respect others? Wouldn't respecting others and being polite be an 'unwritten rule'? What a silly argument.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 12:10:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Nope. The definition doesn't even apply. Did you even bother reading it before posting that?

Again, you claimed there are no unwritten rules, so you feel there is no obligation to be polite to people or respect your fellow human beings in the absence of a law telling you to do so?

Laughably, considering you're now criticizing it, this was your argument, not mine...

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 01:23:18 PM
None of that is true.

It's wonderful that you can just say that. Unfortunately, all of it is quoted in this thread in black and white.

Such is the nature of message boards. Tends to be rather unforgiving on those who make asinine arguments and then run for the "I never said that" escape hatch when things don't work out. So did you or did you not say that there are no unwritten driving rules? Want me to go back and quote you for yourself?

I can throw one more log on the fire..........coming back from Three Layers the first of the week, person in the right lane decided to make left hand turn to keep from missing their turn. I have good tires and drive defensively, good brakes help also.........no reason to do that! Idiots........plate was Floridian and a graduate of NFU!

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 09:46:37 PM
Quote me until you're blue in the face; i stand by everything i've posted here. No straw men? That's classic. Logical fallacies are your M.O. It's been pathetically comical, but continuing this is not worth more of anyone's time.

Actually, arguing a point until someone gives up or slips up is more his MO.  And while I don't agree with Chris on most any issue, I have to say that I would enjoy sharing the road with him based on what he's posted on this thread. 

I don't think that I started the thread because of 'Most Illegal Driving Behaviors' because most of them are quite legal, just a pain in my law-breaking ass, but because driving the speed limit in the 'understood' fast lane and forcing me to pass you on the right is just assinine.  I guess we'll all notice your car, Rainfrog, because it will be the one with the red, crusader cape tailing behind you as you enforce all the traffic laws yourself.  Vigilante.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 09:46:37 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 30, 2010, 03:46:14 PM

Quote from: rainfrog on December 30, 2010, 01:23:18 PM
None of that is true.

It's wonderful that you can just say that. Unfortunately, all of it is quoted in this thread in black and white.

Such is the nature of message boards. Tends to be rather unforgiving on those who make asinine arguments and then run for the "I never said that" escape hatch when things don't work out. So did you or did you not say that there are no unwritten driving rules? Want me to go back and quote you for yourself?

Quote me until you're blue in the face; i stand by everything i've posted here. No straw men? That's classic. Logical fallacies are your M.O. It's been pathetically comical, but continuing this is not worth more of anyone's time.

Yes, clearly, when you conveniently only ran out of time for this debate once you lost. Funny how that always works.

And I'm taking your nonsensical and tellingly disproportional angry rant to mean that you can't answer my question then? Since you accused me of a straw man argument (which I have to question whether you know the definition of) why don't you answer whether or not you said there are no unwritten driving rules? Because if you did, there is no straw man is there?

Find it comical or don't, I don't care. I don't need your approval. Lol. And as far as logical fallacies, sorry, I haven't made any in this thread or any other. You were the one who made a ridiculous blanket statement that fell apart when you were called out on it, and then later tried to claim you didn't say it, before finally throwing in the towel because you apparently have so many better things to do once something doesn't go your way. That's what I find tragically comical. So I guess we agree halfway on something, at least this was entertaining.

Just for the record here, this was your caped-avenger screed;

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 01:17:34 AM
People who think that there are unwritten rules that all are supposed to follow. There are no unwritten rules. Just try following the written ones. If a road is beyond its designed capacity, then you're just part of the problem whether you invent new rules to navigate it or don't.

And this was my response, and then my response to YOUR failed straw man argument you posted;

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 12:42:53 PM
There's no law says I have to open the door for an elderly grandmother in a wheelchair either, but I still do it.

It's about common courtesy, letting faster traffic pass, not blocking turn lanes, etc.

Sorry you apparently need a law telling you to be respectful to others.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 29, 2010, 08:46:45 PM

Quote from: rainfrog on December 29, 2010, 04:02:35 PM
It's interesting how selective you can be with that respect on a forum, then. How exactly is it "apparent" what you say? There is nothing in my post about courtesy, because whether I practice it, my pet peeves about other drivers don't revolve around it. They are only about safety and lawfulness. It bugs me more if someone doesn't use a turn signal or pay attention to their surroundings than it would if they were rude (impeding traffic not included, as the law covers that.) There is nothing about operating a potentially dangerous vehicle that you can equate to opening a door for the elderly, especially considering grandma is as capable of running over someone as you are. I am an extremely courteous driver, if you must know, but equally respectful of traffic laws. Most of what you mention are things that are required AND seen as common courtesy. These are not mutually exclusive, and again you don't have to invent new rules to observe them both -- like this weird thing about letting people pass you within a single lane because it's apparently courteous to break rules for people in a big hurry (what is that?!)

This isn't about breaking laws, quit trying to pigeonhole my comments into being about that.

My comments were really very simple, you were claiming there are no unwritten rules but in reality there are. Blocking right turn lanes, refusing to move over for faster traffic, holding people up while you take 10 minutes to carve a 72 point turn across two lanes, that's all the same thing as not opening the door for an elderly woman. It's disrespectful to your fellow human beings. And I don't care if we are talking about go-karts, tricycles, or cars, just be polite.

So I take it back, you were half-right, there certainly was a fallacious straw man argument here. It was yours.

Nice attempt, but no cigar. Lol. And what happened to all those super-important things you had to do?

Shucks, I guess peace in the middle east will have to wait.

I'm not going to waste time with a point-by-point rebuttal of such an asinine argument. It completely fell off the rails before I even made it past the first quote, as when you re-read your own posts, it's immediately obvious that you tried to staw-man a discussion thread about "Annoying" driving behaviors into becoming one about "Legal" driving behaviors.

That was never what this debate was about, the only one who took it there was you, through your failed logic and your disingenuous attempt to reframe the debate to prop up an otherwise meritless point. Of course, I've already pointed this out to you, but you seem convinced that your own state of denial means the rest of us won't recognize it, and sadly you are mistaken.

And for the record, the original poster who actually started this whole thread has already responded to you directly, and pointed out that you were misstating the topic here. So despite your continued B.S., that really kind of seals the deal here, doesn't it? Your failed straw man wasn't just noted by me, the original poster actually weighed in and called you out on it separately for misstating his topic. Doesn't get much more horse's mouth than that. Lol

I appreciate your failed attempt at an argument, it has certainly been entertaining. And you have demonstrated that, if nothing else, at least you know how to use Wikipedia. But aside from entertainment value, your ship already went down in flames, and I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish by demanding that everyone adopt your nonsensical state of denial about what occurred here. You're not weaseling out of it, since I already quoted all your posts. So really, what's the point in your continued screeds?

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:12:15 PM

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 31, 2010, 12:07:50 AM

I don't think that I started the thread because of 'Most Illegal Driving Behaviors' because most of them are quite legal, just a pain in my law-breaking ass, but because driving the speed limit in the 'understood' fast lane and forcing me to pass you on the right is just assinine.  I guess we'll all notice your car, Rainfrog, because it will be the one with the red, crusader cape tailing behind you as you enforce all the traffic laws yourself.  Vigilante.

My premise is that lawful driving IS polite driving. Almost every example people bring up of rude driving behavior is behavior that goes against the written rules. What is lawful about slower traffic not keeping right? http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/florida/statutes/florida_statutes_316-081

And uh... I don't enforce traffic laws. I am a very courteous driver. I'm not a vigilante. And I most certainly do not have a red crusader cape.  :P Capisce? BTW, how was saying any of that polite? I have no beef with you.

Quoted so it doesn't disappear.

This is truly hilarious. As the original poster himself already pointed out to you, your "premise" was actually itself a failed straw-man that attempted to conflate the topic of "annoying" driving behaviors with "legal" driving behaviors.

Total. Fail.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
Typical and expected. You are a real pill. :) As soon as I actually show signs of continuing this indefinitely, you butt out, because you were unable to refute my argument the whole time, and still refuse to even try.

I'm not butting out, nor did I have to try to defeat an argument that was entirely self-defeating all by itself.

I am just sitting over here laughing at this, it's really quite funny, Ms. Wikipedia Lecturer, PHD., M.D., J.D., PSY., ETC. ETC. berating me for a straw man, without realizing the irony that her entire point was itself a straw man from the first sentence. It just doesn't get much better than this.

Napoleon once said "when the enemy is making a false move we must take good care not to interrupt him."

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
And you still have a gross misunderstanding of what a straw man argument is.

I find that hilarious, considering I'm not the one in this thread with such a misunderstanding of the concept that I fail to recognize it even when I'm the only one doing it. That would, of course, be you.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
I set up no straw man.

Oh yes you did.

And saying your post wasn't in "reply to anyone else" is hilarious. I mean, it's nice you can just say that and all, but thar doesn't make it so. Pretty laughable, considering your post was a reply that you posted in someone else's thread, and was itself nothing more than a failed straw man that misstated that poster's topic right from the get-go. He already called you out for this himself, genius.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 31, 2010, 02:39:33 PM

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
Typical and expected. You are a real pill. :) As soon as I actually show signs of continuing this indefinitely, you butt out, because you were unable to refute my argument the whole time, and still refuse to even try.

I'm not butting out, nor did I have to try to defeat an argument that was entirely self-defeating all by itself.

I am just sitting over here laughing at this, it's really quite funny, Ms. Wikipedia Lecturer, PHD., M.D., J.D., PSY., ETC. ETC. berating me for a straw man, without realizing the irony that her entire point was itself a straw man from the first sentence. It just doesn't get much better than this.

Napoleon once said "when the enemy is making a false move we must take good care not to interrupt him."

You still don't understand what one is, do you? That is hilarious!!

This is CLASSIC...

You realize that you just posited another straw man, right? You're misstating my position as being my failure to understand the concept, when the reality is simply that you just don't appreciate my pointing out that you were engaging in it. This has to be some kind of record for unintentional irony.

I hope you're not planning on practicing law, there'd be a lot of people in jail. Unless you were the prosecutor.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:49:48 PM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 31, 2010, 02:47:40 PM
Oh yes you did.

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QuoteI mean, it's nice you can just say that and all, but thar doesn't make it so.

Get a clue.

Thanks to your screeds, I think we all have more than a clue at this point...

In this thread are a number of examples of driving behavior that is NOT polite and also NOT illegal.  Basic Venn diagrams.  The class of legal driving does not contain all of the class of polite driving.

Strawman all burned up.

Annoying people is not polite.

Sure.  You are on a two lane street.  Think Park Street at Post Street in 5 Points going North.  You want to turn left off of Park onto Post.  There are a dozen cars behind you.

You can stay behind the cross walk blocking all of the cars behind you while you wait for an opening in the oncoming traffic to allow you to turn left.  This is legal, but it is not polite.

The polite thing to do is to pull past the cross walk into the intersection so that the cars behind you can go around you in the intersection rather than having to wait through a couple of stop light cycles.  That is both legal and polite.  Polite= non annoying.

Go to Wikipedia and look up Venn diagrams.

Not annoying to have to sit through several cycles of a stop light?  You are WAY more patient than I am.  LOL!

I've had JSO cars go around me in that very intersection when I was waiting to make a left turn.  Legal enough I guess.

Give us some examples of polite, but annoying driving behavior.  Seems a contradiction in terms.

Venn diagrams which illustrate inclusion or exclusion of all or part of a class are not equations.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 03:12:09 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on December 31, 2010, 03:05:24 PM
Sure.  You are on a two lane street.  Think Park Street at Post Street in 5 Points going North.  You want to turn left off of Park onto Post.  There are a dozen cars behind you.

You can stay behind the cross walk blocking all of the cars behind you while you wait for an opening in the oncoming traffic to allow you to turn left.  This is legal, but it is not polite.

The polite thing to do is to pull past the cross walk into the intersection so that the cars behind you can go around you in the intersection rather than having to wait through a couple of stop light cycles.  That is both legal and polite.  Polite= non annoying.

Go to Wikipedia and look up Venn diagrams.

Whether that's annoying is rather subjective, but I also question how legal the alternative is.... to pass someone in a single lane of direction traffic just because it's an intersection. Polite, sure. Legal? I guess maybe the car pulling into the intersection is within the law, but as for its politeness, how out of the way should one go to be polite to drivers who just want to do something illegal?

Also, it's not impossible to find a particularly polite behavior annoying. How does that fit into the equation?

Now you're just being uselessly argumentative. Seriously, you're trying to redefine "annoying"?

Ms. Wikipedia PHI-1101, surely you must realize that there are common societal standards for what is considered annoying and impolite. You aren't the arbiter charged with defining those terms, so saying that you don't personally agree with it, or that someone somewhere might not find an annoying thing annoying, is wholly irrelevant. Society in general finds it annoying, and that was the topic of this thread, notwithstanding your half-dozen (and growing) attempts to straw man and reframe this debate into something else in order to suit your otherwise nonsensical points.

Doesn't all of this run up a red flag for you? When you find yourself having to resort to redefining commonly understood words in order to avoid responding to the flaws in your argument, doesn't that make you take a second look at your position? And I guess that was rhetorical, since you've made it quite clear the Empress firmly believes she's clothed.

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Dog Walker on December 31, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
Not annoying to have to sit through several cycles of a stop light?  You are WAY more patient than I am.  LOL!

I've had JSO cars go around me in that very intersection when I was waiting to make a left turn.  Legal enough I guess.

Give us some examples of polite, but annoying driving behavior.  Seems a contradiction in terms.

Venn diagrams which illustrate inclusion or exclusion of all or part of a class are not equations.

Well, yeah, I probably am more patient. For one thing, I don't commute by car, so I don't often find myself in situations where rules have to be broken to make up for a road design that is grossly over capacity, and when I do find myself on such a road, I don't find it annoying, because I'm probably not in a hurry.

The equation I was referring to was: "Polite= non annoying."

And I didn't mean driving behaviors in particular, but there are plenty of polite things that could be annoying. I've known people who find "Southern hospitality" annoying -- not that I can relate, as I grew up in the South. But annoying is subjective.

Polite, to me, is more about intentions than interpretation. Annoying is more about interpretation than intentions. As for driving, what if you're being polite to one driver and annoying to another? Or polite to drivers but annoying to pedestrians? They're not completely equal. As a pedestrian I've found myself annoyed by drivers who are just trying to be polite to other drivers but not as aware of others sharing the ROW.

JSO cars speed all the time, too, and not always for a legitimate reason other than just being as able to get away with it as anyone else. :P

The word "annoying" was clearly meant to be interpreted in its generally accepted use, which doesn't include what 1% of the local population does or doesn't happen to find annoying vs. the other 99% of the local population. The title of this thread, into which you decided to insert yourself, isn't "Most Annoying Driving Behaviors to Rainfrog." The definitions for this discussion aren't determined by you.

I think we've already shown that legal isn't the same thing as polite, and that legal isn't the same thing as not being annoying, so what exactly are we disputing here? This is pretty cut and dried. My point was simply that most of the annoying driving behaviors represent drivers being impolite to other drivers. Neither this thread nor my comments had anything to do with legality. That was never the point. You made the comment that "there are no unwritten rules." You didn't say there are no "unwritten laws" and laws were never the point to begin with.

Pardon me for being old-fashioned, but I think if drivers were even remotely polite to one another most of the behaviors on the list in this thread would probably disappear. Case in point, you and I have been rather nasty to one another in this thread, but what law have we broken? You were equating two totally unrelated things.

Rain,  a lot of find JSO's flouting of the rules-of-the-road and impolite driving behavior annoying too.

I agree they do it just because the can.

You don't know impolite driving until you spend a few years driving in NYC or Boston.  Jacksonville drivers by comparison are tame.

Ain't that the truth! 

I was riding with a friend in Boston once, who zoomed around like a mad thing and changed lanes and turned without ever using a turn signal.  When I asked him why he never used a turn signal he gave me a look like I was crazy and said, "If I let people know what I am going to do, they will try to block me!"

Quote from: Dog Walker on January 01, 2011, 04:10:30 PM
Ain't that the truth! 

I was riding with a friend in Boston once, who zoomed around like a mad thing and changed lanes and turned without ever using a turn signal.  When I asked him why he never used a turn signal he gave me a look like I was crazy and said, "If I let people know what I am going to do, they will try to block me!"

NRW's Law of Blinkers:
No Blinker - You're being a DB and typically cutting someone off.
One Blink of the Blinker - I've checked, I've seen you and I'm getting in that lane.  AKA Statement Blinker
More than one Blink - I see you and I need you to adjust YOUR speed so that I can get over.  AKA Question Blinker

BTW, if I'm on the highway and you hit me with a question blinker, the answer is always going to be, "NO!"

I'll never forget back in 1997 when I was managing a 89 day run of a Laser show in Dorney Park in Allentown PA.
I had to make a break-neck run into Cherry Hill New Jersey (Philadelphia PA) and had the park conversion van that had a Big Block V-8 that was drinking my wallet down..
Anyway..I was driving up an on ramp and was keeping my $$ Gas$$ foot off the dollars..I was actually "Bumped" from behind by a  Volkswagen Golf several times for not being fast enough!
In the South this would be an attempted Carjacking.
Up north I wasn't keeping up with the flow of traffic.

Well the moral of this thread turned out to be why you should always quote posts so they don't disappear.

Glad I did just that, since it seems every laughable post has been quietly deleted by its author.

As I said at the time;

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 31, 2010, 02:27:51 PM

Quote from: rainfrog on December 31, 2010, 02:12:15 PM

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on December 31, 2010, 12:07:50 AM

I don't think that I started the thread because of 'Most Illegal Driving Behaviors' because most of them are quite legal, just a pain in my law-breaking ass, but because driving the speed limit in the 'understood' fast lane and forcing me to pass you on the right is just assinine.  I guess we'll all notice your car, Rainfrog, because it will be the one with the red, crusader cape tailing behind you as you enforce all the traffic laws yourself.  Vigilante.

My premise is that lawful driving IS polite driving. Almost every example people bring up of rude driving behavior is behavior that goes against the written rules.

Quoted so it doesn't disappear.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on December 31, 2010, 02:25:20 PM
You're not weaseling out of it, since I already quoted all your posts.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-04-10/story/driving-slow-left-lane-could-get-you-ticket-florida

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Driving slow in left lane could get you a ticket in Florida
State Senate OKs bill encouraging motorists to yield to passing cars.
Posted: April 10, 2011 - 8:57pm

By Larry Hannan

Florida motorists stuck behind another vehicle in the left-hand lane may soon be getting help from law enforcement and the Legislature.

A bill that passed the Florida Senate last week would allow drivers to be ticketed if they are driving too slowly in the left lane, and another car is trying to pass them. The ticket would be $143, and put points on the offender's driver's license.

And it would cost drivers even if they are driving the speed limit.

It passed the Senate 37-1, with Sen. Evelyn Lynn, R-Ormond Beach, voting no. There is a similar bill pending in the House.

Current Florida driving law requires slower drivers in the left lane of multi-lane roadways to move to the right, "except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted" â€" which is the case on most multilane roadways.

The bills in the Legislature would require slower drivers to move over "if the driver knows, or reasonably should know, that he or she is being overtaken in that lane from the rear by a motor vehicle traveling at a higher rate of speed."

Some motorists were all for the idea on Friday, but law enforcement and traffic safety officials express reservations.

Yulee resident Carl Lindberg wants the bill to become law.

"There are so many people that totally disregard the cars behind them and continue to drive in the left lane," Lindberg said. "Often at the same speed as the car next to them."

That causes drivers to become aggressive, increasing the chance for accidents, he said.

Westside resident Tammy George sees slow drivers in the left lane every day and supports ticketing them.

"It does slow the flow of traffic," George said, "especially when these people are also talking on their cellphones."

Jacksonville resident Marlene Gray had a mixed opinion.

"If someone is going less than the posted speed limit in a passing lane, they should be ticketed," Gray said. "But the left lane is not a freeway for speeders."

The bill makes exceptions for such instances as preparing to make a left turn, driving the speed limit while not impeding the flow of traffic and traffic conditions that would make moving to the right dangerous.

But the possibility still exists that speeders will be rewarded while safe drivers are punished, AAA Auto Club South spokeswoman Karen Morgan said.

"We don't want a law that ends up penalizing someone for driving at the speed limit," she said.

Clay County Sheriff Rick Beseler also expressed reservations.

"While I would support the concept, because many drivers become frustrated with slower-moving vehicles in the left lane and may resort to road rage to show their displeasure," Beseler said, "I don't know exactly how it would be enforced."

A similar bill passed the Legislature in 2005 but was vetoed by Gov. Jeb Bush, who argued that it punished people who followed the speed limit.

But Rep. Jeff Clemens, D-Lake Worth, who is sponsoring the bill in the Florida House, said the focus on writing traffic tickets misses the point.

"The goal is to improve traffic flow on the roads," Clemens said, "by letting motorists know they need to get out of the left-hand lane when a car is trying to pass them.

"We're not looking to write more tickets," he said. "The point is to educate people."

Despite passing the Senate with overwhelming bipartisan support, the bill has gone nowhere in the House. But Clemens expressed confidence that the House would eventually end up voting on the Senate bill.

He said he hasn't addressed the bill with Gov. Rick Scott and doesn't know if the governor would support it. Times-Union calls to Scott's office weren't returned Friday.

Still, Clemens was optimistic.

"I think we have a good chance of getting it passed this year," he said.

If you get showered with pennies in the left lane, you were going too slow.

That's one down.

Now if they'll start ticketing people who drive with their flashers on while it's raining.  I guess it's time to send more letters.  ;D

At least they got the big one! These silly left-lane vigilantes who won't let anyone pass are just the worst.

Glad they are finally doing something about it.

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 07:41:00 AM
If you get showered with pennies in the left lane, you were going too slow.

Huh?

QuoteThese silly left-lane vigilantes who won't let anyone pass are just the worst.

Damn those tourists and Canadians!

QuoteHuh?

Drive slow on I-95 in the left lane and get riddled with pennies. Does wonders for your car's image.

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 12, 2011, 08:01:20 AM
At least they got the big one! These silly left-lane vigilantes who won't let anyone pass are just the worst.

Glad they are finally doing something about it.

The worst variety is the one who decides to form a rolling roadblock and deliberately travels the same speed as the driver in the right lane.

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 08:03:26 AM

QuoteHuh?

Drive slow on I-95 in the left lane and get riddled with pennies. Does wonders for your car's image.

Are the pennies coming from Heaven?  Or is FDOT hiring hookers from nearby Philips Highway to do the tossing?  I still do not understand...

When there is a cop behind you everybody drives slow in the left lane.

Quote from: danno on April 12, 2011, 08:11:54 AM
When there is a cop behind you everybody drives slow in the left lane.

True.  So very true.

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 12, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
That's one down.

Now if they'll start ticketing people who drive with their flashers on while it's raining.  I guess it's time to send more letters.  ;D

Where did that even come from??  Never saw that until I moved to Florida...

Quote from: Jaxson on April 12, 2011, 08:04:25 AM

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 12, 2011, 08:03:26 AM

QuoteHuh?

Drive slow on I-95 in the left lane and get riddled with pennies. Does wonders for your car's image.

Are the pennies coming from Heaven?  Or is FDOT hiring hookers from nearby Philips Highway to do the tossing?  I still do not understand...

I don't want the hookers, but I want all of that pennies so I can use those for my bus fare. I would be so happy!

-Josh

Quote from: Jaxson on April 12, 2011, 08:03:29 AM

Quote from: ChriswUfGator on April 12, 2011, 08:01:20 AM
At least they got the big one! These silly left-lane vigilantes who won't let anyone pass are just the worst.

Glad they are finally doing something about it.

The worst variety is the one who decides to form a rolling roadblock and deliberately travels the same speed as the driver in the right lane.

Oh yeah, I hate them. I have a strategy for getting around them, you should try it. When one of them is "Rainfrogging" as we'll call it in honor of another poster here who defended that behavior befofe deleting all her embarassing posts, I will let off the throttle and drop way back and "act nice". Eventually they forget about you, and once that happens a gap will open up between their car and the one next to them since it takes a shitload of attention to keep your car exactly next to the one beside it at 60 or 70mph (which is one way you know it's intentional), and when they stop paying attention they slip up and the gap opens. Then, just floor it and scoot through.

Some of them are wise to this trick, but usually it works like a charm. I have a convertible, and so whenever I do this it's funny with the top down because as soon as they realize they screwed up and you're about to get through, you can hear their engine revving and downshifting as they floor it trying to close you out again. But by then, it's too late!

Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 12, 2011, 08:43:04 AM

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on April 12, 2011, 07:58:41 AM
That's one down.

Now if they'll start ticketing people who drive with their flashers on while it's raining.  I guess it's time to send more letters.  ;D

Where did that even come from??  Never saw that until I moved to Florida...

I don't know where it started, but I've seen it all up and down the 95 corridor.  I've driven through some awful weather in Alabama and Louisiana on I-10, and I didn't really notice it.  Maybe it's just an east coast annoyance.

And while they are at it, they should go hardcore on those people who drive around at night with one headlamp burned out.

Or even worse, the morons that drive with NO LIGHTS ON... don't tell me you haven't seen them. :)

The worst in Jacksonville are the idiots who stay in the right lane going 40mph  on I95 southbound over the southbank.   Then they get to the exit only onto Atlantic and get a crazy trying to merge over.  Like they didn't see the 4 exit only signs for that lane over the last mile!!!! Drives me nuts.

How about the ones who NEVER use their blinker, almost get over right on top of you, and then continue changing lanes!!

People who do not realize that the on-ramp is for speeding up, not for entering the highway at 45 mph.  They are only trumped by people who refuse to turn out into traffic because they want to cross four lanes of traffic. They wait for an hour an a half instead of pulling out and simply u-turning a block down the road.

Quote from: Yossarianlives on April 22, 2011, 06:13:53 PM
People who do not realize that the on-ramp is for speeding up, not for entering the highway at 45 mph.  They are only trumped by people who refuse to turn out into traffic because they want to cross four lanes of traffic. They wait for an hour an a half instead of pulling out and simply u-turning a block down the road.

The ones that really piss me off are the ones who come to a complete halt at the yield sign when merging onto the Arlington Expressway.  They are total idiots and jackwagons.

I was driving home crossing the Fuller Warren at the 95/10 split and there was a knucklehead (really worse but Timken has such Ginger ears, so I'll refrain) on his cell phone wanting to get over. So I blocked him, I signed him to get off his phone and I would let him over. So he proceeds to speed up, logical and what I would have done, then I pass him because he was going very slow at this time, and we stare each other down, like in the westerns. He proceeds to follow me, get on my bumper and as I turn off, he stares me down as well.

If you are driving on the roads, DRIVE, turn off your phone. Nothing is more important when driving than controlling a 6,000 pound vehicle. I do not understand why people take this for granted.

This is good and fits well in this thread...

http://www.todaysbigthing.com/funny-videos/2011/04/20

Great find!  Thanks Acme!

Quote from: mtraininjax on April 23, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
I was driving home crossing the Fuller Warren at the 95/10 split and there was a knucklehead (really worse but Timken has such Ginger ears, so I'll refrain) on his cell phone wanting to get over. So I blocked him, I signed him to get off his phone and I would let him over. So he proceeds to speed up, logical and what I would have done, then I pass him because he was going very slow at this time, and we stare each other down, like in the westerns. He proceeds to follow me, get on my bumper and as I turn off, he stares me down as well.

If you are driving on the roads, DRIVE, turn off your phone. Nothing is more important when driving than controlling a 6,000 pound vehicle. I do not understand why people take this for granted.

+1 .... don't understand your comment about me , but  WHUTEVA  M-train.

I'm I the only when that instantly pulls up on a left turn intersection, and go on the red or yellow when the opposing cars stop (first car in the turning lane)? Who cares if there's a seemingly endless line of cars coming from the other direction, when they stop on red, turn left, simple! It literally drives me CRAZY when I'm that second car behind Mrs. Tentative Gertrude over here WHO WILL NOT PULL UP & TURN AT ALL ON A YELLOW, EVEN WHEN THERE'S NO TRAFFIC COMING FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION!!! Most people annoyingly play that "Wait until no traffic is coming from the other direction, then you pull up and turn" game; You're gonna have to make that left turn anyway, so why wait to pull up? There's no pedestrian issues at all with situations like that, I dunno why people wait to pull up. There's probably no more that like 8 percent of people who pull up instantly (atleast in Jax) while others are apparently tentative drivers. All that 'waiting to pull up' crap does is waste time, SMH...