Anyone else think this is a really bad idea? The possibilities of a complete white out on game night are very real. A good nor'easter gets going through that area and forget about it. And pity the poor folks who will pay, what, at least 500 bucks a ticket for the nose bleed section, sitting freezing their whosits off..I think the NFL has really made a bad decision here.
I'm ok with it, as long it isn't something that happens all the time. it would be pretty interesting to watch a blizzard bowl
Agreed.
I wouldn't exactly say its a bad idea, a super bowl at the new Meadowlands would be massive, since its practically New York City. Tickets would be gone in a week.
Weather is a factor that you better be aware of when you go to any outdoor event.
Ever see the tv ratings for the snow games? Last season CBS switched away from a game they were covering over to the Titans vs Patriots game, the Pats were leading by 30 points, the game wasn't even close, the snow was the attraction.
If it snows in NJ it will be the highest rated superbowl of all time.
It's nice to be on the other side of the Super Bowl critism for once. Remember how many negative opinions were directed towards Jacksonville when they announced we were getting the 2005 one?
NY's a great city to visit though, even when it's 10 degrees out. I just fear this'll open the door for the rest of the (domeless) cold weather NFL cities to request a Super Bowl.
This will be really great for the building trades in the area! Hell, there might even be some work for me...
Quote from: David on May 27, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
It's nice to be on the other side of the Super Bowl critism for once. Remember how many negative opinions were directed towards Jacksonville when they announced we were getting the 2005 one?
NY's a great city to visit though, even when it's 10 degrees out. I just fear this'll open the door the rest of the (domeless) cold weather NFL cities requesting a Super Bowl.
Any city should have a shot, I dont care if they are horrible or not. Jacksonville got a shot, so other cities should get a shot too.
Quote from: David on May 27, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
It's nice to be on the other side of the Super Bowl critism for once. Remember how many negative opinions were directed towards Jacksonville when they announced we were getting the 2005 one?
NY's a great city to visit though, even when it's 10 degrees out. I just fear this'll open the door the rest of the (domeless) cold weather NFL cities requesting a Super Bowl.
Judging from these complaints I would say that Jags fans are fare weathered but that's not true is it. The Jags can hardly get a game televised and its almost always nice here so I wouldn't expect Jags fans to understand the loyalty of being a fan who has to freeze his/her junk off to see their favorite team. I am curious though, throughout the history of the super bowl, what was the ratio of teams with domes?
Quote from: Mattius92 on May 27, 2010, 12:32:22 PM
Any city should have a shot, I dont care if they are horrible or not. Jacksonville got a shot, so other cities should get a shot too.
Nope, I want Jax to have another superbowl by 2020. It's bad enough with Miami, San Deigo and New Orleans regularly in the lineup.Throw in a few of the major cities in the colder climate and it'll be 2050 by the time one rolls back in town! :D
Honestly I like the idea of it being in NY and i've never understood why every SB has to be in a warm weather climate. It's good to mix it up, i'm just speaking from a selfish native perspective who would like to see one back here again soon. We already have enough competition without Boston, Baltimore, Chicago etc putting their bids in.
Quote from: David on May 27, 2010, 12:45:40 PM
Quote from: Mattius92 on May 27, 2010, 12:32:22 PM
Any city should have a shot, I dont care if they are horrible or not. Jacksonville got a shot, so other cities should get a shot too.
Nope, I want Jax to have another superbowl by 2020. It's bad enough with Miami, San Deigo and New Orleans regularly in the lineup.Throw in a few of the major cities in the colder climate and it'll be 2050 by the time one rolls back in town! :D
Honestly I like the idea of it being in NY and i've never understood why every SB has to be in a warm weather climate. It's good to mix it up, i'm just speaking from a selfish native perspective who would like to see one back here again soon. We already have enough competition without Boston, Baltimore, Chicago etc putting their bids in.
I would like to see it back in Jax again too. I remember driving through town that Friday night and having people try to sell me paraphernalia, there were people cooking on the streets and just general happiness and a sense of community. Screw the critics too, those bastards who criticized Jacksonville did so completely out of context, they know little about the area and its challenges.
Quote from: JC on May 27, 2010, 12:35:22 PM
Quote from: David on May 27, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
It's nice to be on the other side of the Super Bowl critism for once. Remember how many negative opinions were directed towards Jacksonville when they announced we were getting the 2005 one?
NY's a great city to visit though, even when it's 10 degrees out. I just fear this'll open the door the rest of the (domeless) cold weather NFL cities requesting a Super Bowl.
Judging from these complaints I would say that Jags fans are fare weathered but that's not true is it. The Jags can hardly get a game televised and its almost always nice here so I wouldn't expect Jags fans to understand the loyalty of being a fan who has to freeze his/her junk off to see their favorite team. I am curious though, throughout the history of the super bowl, what was the ratio of teams with domes?
Jags fans fair-weathered or not has nothing to do with the comments... neither does people freezing their bits off to watch their team.
The Suberbowl isn't just a game for fans of the team. It's a week of celebration and media events.
I think the comments are directed towards the problems snow could cause logistically for the fans traveling to the area and the quality & fairness of play on the field.
Regardless the tv ratings would be astronomical and really that's where the big money is.
What do you mean by "ratio of teams with domes?" JC? You mean Dome Teams who have made the Super Bowl or Super Bowls in Domes?
Off the top of my head.. dome teams to make it- New Orleans, Indy, Atlanta, St. Louis, Arizona. I think that's it. Minnesota made the Super Bowl I think 3 times in the 70s, but I do not believe they played in a dome back then.
Dome Super Bowls: Atlanta, Minnesota, New Orleans, Detroit, Phoenix. I think that's it.
Don't forget this coming season's SB is in Arlington, TX and the 2011 season's is in Indianapolis.
QuoteDome Super Bowls: Atlanta, Minnesota, New Orleans, Detroit, Phoenix. I think that's it.
The upcoming Super Bowls will be in domes, Dallas in 2011, and Indy in 2012.
And for laughs the 2013 Super Bowl will be at the Superdome in New Orleans. So that is three Super Bowls in domes in a row.
There has been 15 super bowls in Florida. And all of those are not domes. So you can see that Florida is a very likable state to have an Super Bowl. However all the Super Bowls recently are being handed out to brand new stadiums. So I guess if you build a new stadium you get a super bowl.
That is why Miami is looking into building a partial roof over their stadium. They want more super bowls.
I thought it was interesting that the NFL owners vetoed Tampa and Miami in favor of New York. Hey, it is a 1.6 billion dollar stadium and while Sam Kouvaris can claim that Chicago, Washington, Buffalo all want a Super Bowl, you better have a new stadium to go along with your bid. The locations getting Super Bowls, Dallas, NY, and Indy is still new (Lucas Oil Field), are all very new with billions invested in and around them.
I don't see Jax getting another super bowl until we expand the Hyatt and convention center downtown, and that is further off than street cars downtown.
Yep Jacksonville is going to have to do some work.
What work do we need to do? I don't think our stadium needs any work. We have a large stadium, updated facilities, more hotels than before. Why not try again?
Probably because we lack mass transit and wtf are people going to do besides drink and party at the Landing or Laura Street and go be a tourist in St. Augustine? That was the major problem, besides accomodations, there was nothing really to do around here that didn't require jumping in the car and trekking across town.
I think Chicago and Washington's stadiums are sufficiently new to obtain a Super Bowl. Buffalo, not so much. I hope Buffalo does get a SB, they would hands-down replace Jacksonville as the most reviled of all time.
Quote from: reednavy on May 27, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
Probably because we lack mass transit and wtf are people going to do besides drink and party at the Landing or Laura Street and go be a tourist in St. Augustine? That was the major problem, besides accomodations, there was nothing really to do around here that didn't require jumping in the car and trekking across town.
To say that the Super Bowl "establishment" thought Jacksonville was a total snooze-fest would be an understatement. The Super Bowl is much more "event" than it is "football game". While those who were fair in their review all agreed that Jacksonville put on a nice week and everyone was friendly and it was a nice place.. these people are used to South Beach and Burbon Street. If asked "would you want to come back to Jacksonville for a Super Bowl if you had your choice" my guess is that 95% of them would say "not unless I had to".
Jax's urban sprawl makes for Super tough week
Posted: Friday February 4, 2005 4:27PM; Updated: Friday February 4, 2005 4:44PM
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Despite rumors to the contrary, there is a downtown to this Super Bowl city. There is a here here.
Granted, it's not the hot spot that a lot of highfalutin northerners expect to find. And, yeah, maybe it takes a little work to hail a taxi around here. Or to find a good restaurant. Or, maybe, just to find downtown. (Hint: Look for the bigger buildings, the backwards-flowing river and a lot of bridges.)
A spruced-up downtown is here, all right, smack dab along the shores of the St. John's River. And to prove it, they shot off fireworks from a barge in the middle of the river Thursday night. A crowd watched from the riverbanks, one deep.
Yeah, it's been a rough start to Super Bowl week on Florida's First Coast.
Jacksonville, with a population around 1.2 million, is the smallest market ever to hold the Super Bowl. (NFL owners, who vote on who gets the big game, really, really like the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Wayne Weaver.) But, strangely, it's the largest area to ever host the game in simple terms of getting around. Jacksonville, at a Super-sized 840ish square miles, is the biggest city in the contiguous 48.
So it's not just downtown that Jacksonville is all about. It's Jacksonville Beach, about 12 miles or so to the east of downtown. It's the new Jacksonville Equestrian Center, way west of downtown, site of Friday's annual Commissioner's Bash (capitalized without authorization from the NFL). It's Little Talbot Island State Park way, way north of downtown, and it's even the Renaissance World Golf Village, the home this week of the Patriots, which is way, way, waaaay south. It's so far south it's actually in St. Augustine.
Figure this out: Jacksonville is the biggest U.S. city this side of Alaska and they can't get everybody staying within the city limits?
Actually, the main reason for that is that the downtown area, where Alltel Stadium is located, has a famous dearth of hotel rooms, necessitating the use this week of six cruise ships that will house somewhere around 7,600 people. Even the cruise ships aren't enough, though, so out-of-towners are staying all over Duval County and points beyond. That means a lot of driving and a lot of valuable drinking time wasted.
The city, the whole area -- practically all of Northeast Florida -- has been getting savaged in the national press because of the room thing and the driving thing and the lack of a central place for eating and drinking thing. Jacksonville, to be sure, is not on the Top 50 list of cosmopolitan areas. Folks crack wise about the smell (a coffee plant, river and paper mill mixture) and the location (it's barely Florida, after all). But to be fair, Jax is getting grief largely because of something it can't control.
The weather here, generally very nice at this time of year (average high, 67 degrees), has been brutal. Chilly, gray and rainy. It's definitely put a damper on things, crushing attendance at the riverside fireworks show Thursday night, the free concerts at the downtown baseball park and the NFL's interactive theme park, the NFL Experience.
Of course, a lot of the crankiness exhibited by the media comes because those highfalutin northerners are so high and falutin. The truth is, plenty of people already are having fun despite the layout and the downpours. In fact, some people who maybe shouldn't be having fun are having fun.
Eagles players Dhani Jones (snazzy in his bowtie) and Freddie Mitchell (snazzy himself in a useful wool cap) were seen Thursday night at a trendy nightclub called Endo Exo, which is in the "historic" (translate that as "old but trying to look cool") San Marco area of the city. That's just across the river from Alltel Stadium but a nice ride from the Eagles' hotel, the Sawgrass Marriott on Ponte Vedra Beach, just south of Jacksonville Beach.
Mitchell looked a little worried about being seen heading into a club just three nights before the big game -- until he spotted Jeff Lurie in the crowd.
"As long as my owner's here," Mitchell told a reporter, "we'll be all right."
Meanwhile, at Plush, a nightclub just east of downtown, several football greats (John Elway and Lawrence Taylor among them) braved the chilly weather for a party.
Lots of celebrities are already in town or are rumored to be heading this way. Snoop Dogg, Chris Rock, Jennifer Aniston, Adam Sandler, John Travolta, P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, Sean Combs (just seeing if you're paying attention).
And this weekend, all the big parties are happening. Saturday night alone, there's the Playboy Party (bunnies!), the Maxim Party (babes in skimpy clothing!) and the Sports Illustrated Super Swimsuit Model Party (Peter King!).
Remember, it's not as if this town doesn't know how to get down and dirty. This is the site of the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, a little annual football game and binge-drinking showdown between the football teams from Florida and Georgia and their fans.
All that said, it's true that Jacksonville will not go down as he best site the Super Bowl has ever seen. But with a little break from the weather this weekend, a few more drinks, a decent game and a good halftime show, it won't be the worst. The halftime show, featuring Paul McCartney, might actually provide something truly memorable.
"We're going to play NAKED!" McCartney told reporters Thursday.
Wow. If that happens, people will remember Jacksonville for a long, long time.
^^That's from Sports Illustrated, btw.
I'm not saying people didn't have fun, but not having enough to do at a central location can really hurt our image and the amount of money will people to spend on food, beverages, etc. because they're paying for gas to get around town.
We honestly don't deserve another SB before we get our downtown's shit together.
Soldier Field only holds 61,500, was updated in 2003, 7 years ago. Uh, I don't think the owners would go for that smallish stadium. Jax can handle a lot more and did for SB 39. FedEx field was opened in 1997, and sits as ranked 28 out of 32 stadiums for the NFL experience per SI. Buffalo is a joke, forget it.
I agree, we need our downtown SPIFF together before we get another crack. The Hyatt needs a lot more rooms to offer a credible solution.
Quote from: finehoe on May 27, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
Jax's urban sprawl makes for Super tough week
Posted: Friday February 4, 2005 4:27PM; Updated: Friday February 4, 2005 4:44PM
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Despite rumors to the contrary, there is a downtown to this Super Bowl city. There is a here here.
Granted, it's not the hot spot that a lot of highfalutin northerners expect to find. And, yeah, maybe it takes a little work to hail a taxi around here. Or to find a good restaurant. Or, maybe, just to find downtown. (Hint: Look for the bigger buildings, the backwards-flowing river and a lot of bridges.)
A spruced-up downtown is here, all right, smack dab along the shores of the St. John's River. And to prove it, they shot off fireworks from a barge in the middle of the river Thursday night. A crowd watched from the riverbanks, one deep.
Yeah, it's been a rough start to Super Bowl week on Florida's First Coast.
Jacksonville, with a population around 1.2 million, is the smallest market ever to hold the Super Bowl. (NFL owners, who vote on who gets the big game, really, really like the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Wayne Weaver.) But, strangely, it's the largest area to ever host the game in simple terms of getting around. Jacksonville, at a Super-sized 840ish square miles, is the biggest city in the contiguous 48.
So it's not just downtown that Jacksonville is all about. It's Jacksonville Beach, about 12 miles or so to the east of downtown. It's the new Jacksonville Equestrian Center, way west of downtown, site of Friday's annual Commissioner's Bash (capitalized without authorization from the NFL). It's Little Talbot Island State Park way, way north of downtown, and it's even the Renaissance World Golf Village, the home this week of the Patriots, which is way, way, waaaay south. It's so far south it's actually in St. Augustine.
Figure this out: Jacksonville is the biggest U.S. city this side of Alaska and they can't get everybody staying within the city limits?
Actually, the main reason for that is that the downtown area, where Alltel Stadium is located, has a famous dearth of hotel rooms, necessitating the use this week of six cruise ships that will house somewhere around 7,600 people. Even the cruise ships aren't enough, though, so out-of-towners are staying all over Duval County and points beyond. That means a lot of driving and a lot of valuable drinking time wasted.
The city, the whole area -- practically all of Northeast Florida -- has been getting savaged in the national press because of the room thing and the driving thing and the lack of a central place for eating and drinking thing. Jacksonville, to be sure, is not on the Top 50 list of cosmopolitan areas. Folks crack wise about the smell (a coffee plant, river and paper mill mixture) and the location (it's barely Florida, after all). But to be fair, Jax is getting grief largely because of something it can't control.
The weather here, generally very nice at this time of year (average high, 67 degrees), has been brutal. Chilly, gray and rainy. It's definitely put a damper on things, crushing attendance at the riverside fireworks show Thursday night, the free concerts at the downtown baseball park and the NFL's interactive theme park, the NFL Experience.
Of course, a lot of the crankiness exhibited by the media comes because those highfalutin northerners are so high and falutin. The truth is, plenty of people already are having fun despite the layout and the downpours. In fact, some people who maybe shouldn't be having fun are having fun.
Eagles players Dhani Jones (snazzy in his bowtie) and Freddie Mitchell (snazzy himself in a useful wool cap) were seen Thursday night at a trendy nightclub called Endo Exo, which is in the "historic" (translate that as "old but trying to look cool") San Marco area of the city. That's just across the river from Alltel Stadium but a nice ride from the Eagles' hotel, the Sawgrass Marriott on Ponte Vedra Beach, just south of Jacksonville Beach.
Mitchell looked a little worried about being seen heading into a club just three nights before the big game -- until he spotted Jeff Lurie in the crowd.
"As long as my owner's here," Mitchell told a reporter, "we'll be all right."
Meanwhile, at Plush, a nightclub just east of downtown, several football greats (John Elway and Lawrence Taylor among them) braved the chilly weather for a party.
Lots of celebrities are already in town or are rumored to be heading this way. Snoop Dogg, Chris Rock, Jennifer Aniston, Adam Sandler, John Travolta, P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, Sean Combs (just seeing if you're paying attention).
And this weekend, all the big parties are happening. Saturday night alone, there's the Playboy Party (bunnies!), the Maxim Party (babes in skimpy clothing!) and the Sports Illustrated Super Swimsuit Model Party (Peter King!).
Remember, it's not as if this town doesn't know how to get down and dirty. This is the site of the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party, a little annual football game and binge-drinking showdown between the football teams from Florida and Georgia and their fans.
All that said, it's true that Jacksonville will not go down as he best site the Super Bowl has ever seen. But with a little break from the weather this weekend, a few more drinks, a decent game and a good halftime show, it won't be the worst. The halftime show, featuring Paul McCartney, might actually provide something truly memorable.
"We're going to play NAKED!" McCartney told reporters Thursday.
Wow. If that happens, people will remember Jacksonville for a long, long time.
I really do think our logistics made it bad, and the hotel room thing. If everything was centrally located downtown and we had ample hotel rooms we would be fine. But with the party scence progressing downtown and the boom of hotels that has popped up over the past 6 years, we'll be ready for another within the next 5-10 years.
If Miami gets a new stadium, we will be screwed here, as there will be no reason to hold it here in Jax, as Miami has a lot more for NFL execs to do.
FYi- The year after the SB was here, it was held in Tampa and they did not have ample hotel space. People were staying in orlando, kissimee and tampa metro area. So thats show's the NFL grants the SB to whom they want, regardless of circumstances.
And I have an idea for Mayor Johnny boy, instead using that money to spruce up metro park, why not demolish it and just build some hotel's on that whole strip near the stadium so we can get another SB???? :D
We were lucky to get the first one, and don't deserve another one with downtown still pretty much unchanged since 2005. Hard to believe the NFL tells other cities they need a dome then give NJ/NY a super bowl. I hope its -7 and a blizzard.
Doesn't matter if Miami gets a new stadium, we had our shot and really didn't feed off the momentum after the SB. Both Miami and Tampa have more to their DT than Jax. We may not even have an NFL in a few yrs.
The year after Super Bowl 39, Jacksonville, it was played in Detroit, then Miami, then Arizona, THEN TAMPA, Feb 1, 2009.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on May 27, 2010, 04:25:14 PM
Doesn't matter if Miami gets a new stadium, we had our shot and really didn't feed off the momentum after the SB. Both Miami and Tampa have more to their DT than Jax. We may not even have an NFL in a few yrs.
Don't forget what Houston did after they got the SB, the light rail line was a big bonus.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 27, 2010, 04:28:00 PM
The year after Super Bowl 39, Jacksonville, it was played in Detroit, then Miami, then Arizona, THEN TAMPA, Feb 1, 2009.
I stand corrected. But when it was, They still had hotel issues for sure. So were not the only ones. But of coruse, we are the red headed step child of the NFL.
For a city hosting the Republican National Convention in 2012, I seriously doubt there is a hotel issue in Tampa/St. Pete. Some people will stay in Orlando/Disney to be close to all of that Disney, Sea World, Universal, etc. Tampa has had 4 super bowls, I believe they have sufficient hotel rooms.
Plenty hotels DT Tampa.
Quote from: jbroadglide on May 27, 2010, 12:11:28 PM
Anyone else think this is a really bad idea? The possibilities of a complete white out on game night are very real. A good nor'easter gets going through that area and forget about it. And pity the poor folks who will pay, what, at least 500 bucks a ticket for the nose bleed section, sitting freezing their whosits off..I think the NFL has really made a bad decision here.
I'm with you on this one. It will not be an enjoyable experience to pay thousands for a SB ticket sitting in one degree weather. NYC is already crowded as it is, then add a blizzard, and the SB, oh brother. Hmm, who's at the NFL helm during this disasterous decision? Oh, what a surprise, Roger Goodell. Don't forget about coin gate; How did that work for you Roger? Everything Goodell does (overtime rule, Jags rant etc, etc) I disagree with. You think Bettman is bad for the NHL, Roger is gonna run the NFL down the ground.
Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on May 28, 2010, 02:24:36 AM
Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.
I know, not having it makes it hard to think about it.
QuoteGametime: From New York City:
All Times
How do I get to the Stadium?
1. Best way: Take NRQ or DF subway lines to 34 St-Herald Square Station
* Transfer to a Hoboken-bound PATH train on the mezzanine level. PATH accepts Pay-Per-Ride MetroCard
* Get off at the Hoboken PATH Station and walk upstairs to the NJ Transit Rail Station. Buy a ticket to Meadowlands Sports Complex Station and locate your train to the game.
2. Take ACE or 123 subway lines to 34 St-Penn Station.
* Go to any NJ Transit station clerk or Ticket Vending Machine, and buy a round trip ticket to Meadowlands Station.
* Look on the departure boards for the next NJ Transit train that stops at Secaucus Junction Station. The screen will say "SEC" next to the line name.
* Board that train and ride it to Secaucus Junction, and then use your ticket to transfer via the escalators to the Meadowlands Service.
How much does the Meadowlands Service ride cost?
* Hoboken to Meadowlands Station is $5.75 per person for an off-peak round-trip ticket
* Penn Station to Meadowlands Station is $7.75 per person for an off-peak round-trip ticket.
How often do trains run to the stadium?
* There are three trains from Penn Station in the first 15 minutes of each hour to Secaucus Junction, and the ride is about 12 minutes. From Secaucus, the ride to the Stadium is about 10 minutes.
* Hoboken train runs about every 10 minutes to the Stadium. PATH trains at 34 St-Herald Square run about every 10 minutes from 10:30 a.m. to 7 p.m., then about every 20 minutes in the evening. The trip from Hoboken to the Stadium is about 25 minutes.
I can say with complete certainty that the MTA will make special arrangements for the game.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on May 28, 2010, 02:24:36 AM
Well it took me 2 hrs to cross the George Washington bridge on a Sunday afternoon. But like Miami who also has bad traffic most of the time they'll get a free pass because its NY, the Big Apple.
In NYC if you get off wrong exit you end up with free windshield cleaning,you don't get such service in Miami.
I can imagine that all of the local NYC dirt bags (thousands of pickpockets, muggers, etc.) are just licking their chops for this golden opportunity. Everytime I go to NYC, I always have some kinda shysty encounter. It's pretty much like that in all of the Northeast metros. Ohhh, I'm ruffling feathers; I'm just tellin' it like it is. In case anybody thinks that I'm anti-NYC or something, I was born there (Manhattan); I spent my first nine years of life there (eight in Bed Stuy, Brooklyn).
Quote from: I-10east on May 28, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
I can imagine that all of the local NYC dirt bags (thousands of pickpockets, muggers, etc.) are just licking their chops for this golden opportunity. Everytime I go to NYC, I always have some kinda shysty encounter. It's pretty much like that in all of the Northeast metros. Ohhh, I'm ruffling feathers; I'm just tellin' it like it is. In case anybody thinks that I'm anti-NYC or something, I was born there (Manhattan); I spent my first nine years of life there (eight in Bed Stuy, Brooklyn).
You can say whatever you want about crime in NY but the statistics CONSTANTLY contradict your perception. I am not really sure by 9 years old you really had the insight and understanding of what NY was all about. Also, if you look at most statistical data the biggest change occurred around the two thousandsies, so unless you are like 10, you probably were in NY during a less safe time. You are not ruffling feathers, you just don't know what you are talking about.
QuoteFull List: America's Safest Cities
Zack O'Malley Greenburg, 10.26.09, 04:00 PM EDT
These metros have the lowest rates of violent crime, workplace deaths, fatal crashes and natural disasters.
Rank Metro Area MSA Population Violent Crime Workplace Fatality Rates Traffic Death Rates Natural Disaster Risk Total
1 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 3,229,878 9 1 7 7 24
2 Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 1,549,308 24 11 4 1 40
3 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA 2,207,462 1 10 5 25 41
4 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,522,858 10 5 1 28 44
4 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 3,344,813 3 2 8 31 44
6 Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,596,611 6 7 11 28 52
7 San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 1,819,198 2 8 6 38 54
8 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 19,006,798 11 15 2 27 55
9 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 2,155,137 8 27 20 2 57
10 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,088,291 15 25 17 2 59
10 Denver-Aurora, CO 2,506,626 5 28 16 10 59
12 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 4,425,110 40 4 10 8 62
13 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 3,001,072 14 6 19 26 65
14 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ 4,281,899 17 17 27 5 66
15 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 9,569,624 26 23 9 9 67
15 Austin-Round Rock, TX 1,652,602 4 14 34 15 67
15 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 6,300,006 19 12 18 18 67
18 Pittsburgh, PA 2,351,192 7 37 24 2 70
19 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 12,872,808 21 3 12 35 71
20 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,358,130 16 24 13 20 73
21 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,838,471 28 30 14 6 78
22 San Antonio, TX 2,031,445 25 16 30 12 83
23 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 5,376,285 20 20 32 14 86
24 Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 2,109,832 22 18 15 33 88
25 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 4,274,531 29 22 3 39 93
26 Baltimore-Towson, MD 2,667,117 34 21 21 21 97
27 Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 1,658,292 13 31 22 32 98
28 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 2,733,761 32 9 38 22 101
29 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 1,865,746 39 26 29 11 105
29 Columbus, OH 1,773,120 12 36 23 34 105
31 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC 1,701,799 31 29 25 22 107
32 Kansas City, MO-KS 2,002,047 27 32 33 16 108
32 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4,115,871 18 19 36 35 108
34 St. Louis, MO-IL 2,816,710 23 39 31 16 109
35 Orlando-Kissimmee, FL 2,054,574 38 13 40 22 113
36 Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 1,715,459 30 40 26 19 115
37 Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 1,550,733 36 33 37 13 119
38 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5,728,143 33 38 28 37 136
39 Jacksonville, FL 1,313,228 37 35 39 30 141
40 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 5,414,772 35 34 35 40 144
Here is the link so it lines up better! http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/26/safest-cities-ten-lifestyle-real-estate-metros-msa_chart.html
There were also more robberies per capita in Jacksonville than NY, 365 per 100,000 residents in Jacksonville and 266 per 100,000 in NY. http://www.city-data.com/city/New-York-New-York.html
I understand the general perception that NY is unsafe or that something "bad" is going to happen but that's really not true and is perpetuated by a bum rap in movies, the news, and people by people who don't really know what they are talking about. I have walked down Broadway in Harlem at 2am, I have also been to Marble Hill/Kings Bridge in the Bronx at that time, NOTHING has ever happened to me, I realize I am only one person and my experience is not the same as everyone else but the data backs me up. Just stay away from the three card monty and prepare for parking in advance, now there is where you will get robbed, by parking rates, however there is a handy tool to find reasonable parking rates now http://nyc.bestparking.com/index.php
You forgot about one thing JC, alotta crime goes unreported. You can bring all of your genius stats if you wanna, but if you don't have your "third eye" open in NY, the vultures will pounce. Your comment about me not knowing NY is laughable. I also have spent vacations there as an adult.
2002: I went to the Empire State building 86th floor observation deck, and got pickpocketed. It totally ruined my vacation, and I only had about twenty dollars left for a coupla days.
2008: I went to a Bronx gas station and before we got outta the car, some strange goons surrounded the car; I sped off.
On the same trip, We went to a Bronx pizza place, and parked my car just outside of the restaurant, I went back to the car(at the time a ragedy lil' 98 Saturn), and someone was trying to scope it out to steal. I detered them just in time when we approached the car, and he said "My bad, is this your car?"
At my Queens hotel, a dude gave my the coldest look like "What you're doing with that car?" It's just a run-of-the-mill Saturn, not a Mercedes; Stuff like that will never happen in J-ville, Orlando etc.
If anyone do not think that NYC isn't notorious for pickpocketing, you're naive. It's WELL documented!
Quote from: I-10east on May 28, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
You forgot about one thing JC, alotta crime goes unreported. You can bring all of your genius stats if you wanna, but if you don't have your "third eye" open in NY, the vultures will pounce. Your comment about me not knowing NY is laughable. I also have spent vacations there as an adult.
2002: I went to the Empire State building 86th floor observation deck, and got pickpocketed. It totally ruined my vacation, and I only had about twenty dollars left for a coupla days.
2008: I went to a Bronx gas station and before we got outta the car, some strange goons surrounded the car; I sped off.
On the same trip, We went to a Bronx pizza place, and parked my car just outside of the restaurant, I went back to the car(at the time a ragedy lil' 98 Saturn), and someone was trying to scope it out to steal. I detered them just in time when we approached the car, and he said "My bad, is this your car?"
At my Queens hotel, a dude gave my the coldest look like "What you're doing with that car?" It's just a run-of-the-mill Saturn, not a Mercedes; Stuff like that will never happen in J-ville, Orlando etc.
If any one don't think that NYC is notorious for pickpocking, you're naive. It's WELL documented!
Yeah, pick pocketing is a problem in places where tourists hang out, like TS, a few simple steps prevent this from happening or minimize the damage of it happening. First of all, dont carry a wallet or if you do keep it in your front pocket or jacket pocket, if its cold out (which it will be during the SB) you probably have a jacket with an inside pocket, keep your cash there, and then slip your ID and credit card in your front pocket. It just takes street smarts and a little common sense like, dont wear flashy jewelry, dont flash gobs of cash while purchasing from a street vendor.
Seriously though, going to NY for vacation a few times does not mean you understand NY, any more than vacationing in Africa makes you an expert on their geography, customs and culture. NY is different but with a little preparation and some common sense you can have a great time and nothing bad will happen to you.
I would be more worried about privately contracted tow trucks stealing your car for parking under misleading ambiguous signs, this happens far more than pick pocketing.
Whatever, you can bad mouth NY all you want but again, its because you don't get it. And there is no comparing Jacksonville or Orlando with NY. While both cities have their finer points they also have their problems and they lack a truly diverse culture. But if you want to be afraid of a statistical unlikelihood (especially since you were pick pocketed once, I doubt it will happen again, if you do the right thing with your possessions) go for it! Just stop pretending like a few visits makes you an authority.
100 year NFL anniversary Super Bowl should be at Lambeau... :)
Quote from: JC on May 28, 2010, 01:18:33 PM
Whatever, you can bad mouth NY all you want but again, its because you don't get it. And there is no comparing Jacksonville or Orlando with NY. While both cities have their finer points they also have their problems and they lack a truly diverse culture. But if you want to be afraid of a statistical unlikelihood (especially since you were pick pocketed once, I doubt it will happen again, if you do the right thing with your possessions) go for it! Just stop pretending like a few visits makes you an authority.
So just totally rule out the first nine years of my life during the 80's crack epidemic, the birth of hip hop, and the nostagia of candy stores, and block parties. Totally rule it out, Like I'm totally clueless about NYC. I never said that I was 'the authority"; Hell, apparently you're "the authority". You compared the culture between NYC and Jax, not me; All I said was that NYC has certain shysty things about it that Southern cities do not. You can try to paint me as anti-NYC if you wanna; I love NY, just tellin' it like it is.
Quote from: I-10east on May 28, 2010, 07:56:40 AM
I can imagine that all of the local NYC dirt bags (thousands of pickpockets, muggers, etc.) are just licking their chops for this golden opportunity. Everytime I go to NYC, I always have some kinda shysty encounter. It's pretty much like that in all of the Northeast metros. Ohhh, I'm ruffling feathers; I'm just tellin' it like it is. In case anybody thinks that I'm anti-NYC or something, I was born there (Manhattan); I spent my first nine years of life there (eight in Bed Stuy, Brooklyn).
LOL... So this is not your position?
Quote from: I-10east on May 28, 2010, 01:35:33 PM
So just totally rule out the first nine years of my life during the 80's crack epidemic, the birth of hip hop, and the nostagia of candy stores, and block parties. Totally rule it out, Like I'm totally clueless about NYC. I never said that I was 'the authority"; Hell, apparently you're "the authority". You compared the culture between NYC and Jax, not me; All I said was that NYC has certain shysty things about it that Southern cities do not. You can try to paint me as anti-NYC if you wanna; I love NY, just tellin' it like it is.
Look bro, I grew up in the Bronx, I hung out on Zerega Ave. and Castle Hill ave. when I was a kid. I had family that lived in Washington Heights, Hunts Point, College Point, Astoria and so forth. I have recently worked in Manhattan at the NY Fed, Columbia Presbyterian in Harlem, Columbia University, Conde Naste Publications, I covered a strike in Kings Bridge for months. I have NEVER once had anyone try to pickpocket me, steal my car (except those contractor bastards) beat me up, look at me crossly, nothing, so again, my experience has been nothing but good, is more recent than yours and is backed up statistically. Maybe its because I am an average over weight white guy that they don't mess with me, or maybe its because NY really isnt a bad place and that it is an EXTREME statistical unlikelihood that anything bad will happen.
Again, it has its problems;
Confusing exits, check
Ambiguous parking rules, check
Expensive parking, check
Expensive EVERYTHING, check (although Renna's Pizza in Jacksonville, oddly enough is more expensive than my favorite joint on 41st street.)
Rude cabbies, check
Bad traffic, check
But for all those logistical problems, NY is still SAFE compared to most urban areas including Jacksonville.
Its also worth noting that I have been in many so-called "rough" neighborhoods with literally thousands of dollars in camera equipment, taking photos of various events. Why didnt it get stolen?
Two more; Pickpockets at tourist hangouts, check.
Outrageous toll fares, check.
No wonder they didn't mess with you, being a big guy and all.
Quote from: I-10east on May 28, 2010, 02:26:06 PM
Two more; Picketpockets at tourist hangouts, check.
Outrageous toll fares, check.
No wonder they didn't mess with you, being a big guy and all.
Yes, much better minus the exaggerated adjectives and broad brushing.
Quote from: Shwaz on May 27, 2010, 12:25:21 PM
Ever see the tv ratings for the snow games? Last season CBS switched away from a game they were covering over to the Titans vs Patriots game, the Pats were leading by 30 points, the game wasn't even close, the snow was the attraction.
If it snows in NJ it will be the highest rated superbowl of all time.
All Time??? You must know the CowBoys & Steelers will be there...
Quote from: reednavy on May 27, 2010, 04:08:47 PM
I'm not saying people didn't have fun, but not having enough to do at a central location can really hurt our image and the amount of money will people to spend on food, beverages, etc. because they're paying for gas to get around town.
We honestly don't deserve another SB before we get our downtown's shit together.
A winning bid would get A Lot of Balls Rolling.....5 years in advance..
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 27, 2010, 04:13:03 PM
If Miami gets a new stadium, we will be screwed here, as there will be no reason to hold it here in Jax, as Miami has a lot more for NFL execs to do.
Jax can satisfy an NFL execute....they are old and dont do much...play golf....have a special dinner....its the 20 to 40 celeb and their clones that Jax needs to satisfy.