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Title: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: vicupstate on May 12, 2010, 11:31:29 PM
QuoteA century-old fire station in South End will be saved from the wrecking ball.

The former Fire Station No. 2 at 1212 South Boulevard was scheduled for demolition, but owner Marcel Stark announced Wednesday afternoon that a private deal had been struck to save the building.

"Community South and Sherbert Consulting Group have come in and provided a finance package and structure to be able to preserve this historic building," Stark said.

Stark said the building will be redeveloped and redesigned for a new business entity.

"We're thrilled with the outcome here," said Michael Smith of Charlotte Center City Partners. "Charlotte has such a limited inventory of historic buildings that are over 100 years old. This is a real treasure for us."

The building had been in jeopardy after Stark struck a deal with Leo Balestreiri, a Florida-based developer, that signed a contract to buy the property for about $1.4 million under the condition that the lot was cleared before the sale is finalized.

After hearing about the news, the community rallied to save the firehouse, sending e-mails to Stark and starting an online campaign through Facebook.

"I think these kinds of grassroots efforts are a great tool for people to come together and express their emotions about privately owned assets," Smith said.

Stark said when he purchased the 4,400-square-foot building in 2006, paying more than $1 million for the property, he intended to lease the property to a tenant who planned to open an automotive club in which customers would pay a fee to share classic or exotic cars.

After that deal fell through, Stark said he began discussions with city officials and the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Historic Landmarks Commission.

He said representatives with the commission had offered to purchase the firehouse for $1.8 million but later rescinded the offer.

Commission Director Dan Morrill acknowledged discussing the purchase, but said the most Stark had been offered for the property was $950,000, an offer he said still stands.

City council member Patsy Kinsey, whose district includes the South Boulevard site, said several interested parties had attempted to strike an agreement which would spare the fire station from demolition.

"They haven't quite gotten to the amount that Mr. Stark indicates he wants," Kinsey said.

Stark said he was hoping to recoup as much of his original investment as he can, and does not want to see the building demolished.

He said he was attempting to raise at least $200,000, which would be used to renovate the building and up-fit the space for a medical spa which he would own and operate.

Charlotte has long had a reputation for having no regard for it's historic fabric.  That started to change about a decade ago.  Another victory for history in a city that learned it's lesson way too late.  When will Jax learn for itself?   

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/05/12/1431525/south-ends-historic-fire-station.html
Title: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Miss Fixit on May 13, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Interesting - Charlotte has an historic preservation commission that apparently has the ability to acquire historic property.  In Jacksonville we use funds designated for historic preservation to purchase parking lots,
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: JeffreyS on May 13, 2010, 08:58:41 AM
Did they use the funds to purchase the to purchase the Landing a parking lot?
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Post by: Captain Zissou on May 13, 2010, 09:45:07 AM
Super misleading title.  I guess it was naively optimistic of me to assume this was about Fire Station No. 5.  Good news for Charlotte.  Hopefully we'll get tired of what were once peer cities leaving us in the dust.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: RockStar on May 13, 2010, 12:28:17 PM
Quote from: Miss Fixit on May 13, 2010, 08:45:09 AM
Interesting - Charlotte has an historic preservation commission that apparently has the ability to acquire historic property.  In Jacksonville we use funds designated for historic preservation to purchase parking lots,

But they're HISTORIC parking lots...so we've got that going for us. :D
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Jason on May 13, 2010, 03:34:04 PM
Damn!  I was about to sing praise to Fiedelity.  You really lured me with that one.
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Post by: hanjin1 on May 13, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
yea i took the bait as well. i should have known though, this is jacksonville, nothing gets saved.
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Post by: CS Foltz on May 15, 2010, 03:54:19 PM
Yup me too! I thought something good may have take place..............silly me, this is Jacksonville Florida!
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Jaxson on May 15, 2010, 04:49:21 PM
If by 'saving' Fire House No. 5, you mean to say, "Saving with an awesome implosion and debris removal for the landfill," you are spot on.  I still cannot fathom how we continue to demolish our local heritage...
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Post by: thelakelander on May 15, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
Any idea of why some of the historic preservation fund could not be used to relocate Fire Station No. 5? 
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Post by: urbanlibertarian on May 15, 2010, 10:57:22 PM
The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Historic Landmarks Commission has a historic preservation fund, too?
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: mtraininjax on May 16, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
With existing Fire stations being closed, 14 in Avondale and the other in St. Nicholas, don't look for anyone to care about the old boarded up fire station. Heck the City is spending thousands on an additional fire wing at 14, and its not even finished and Peyton plans to close it down. That is tax payer dollars at work. Its rediculous, but I'd rather shut down stations than pay more taxes.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: vicupstate on May 17, 2010, 07:16:35 AM
Shutting down a fires station will normally, or typically, RAISE homeowner's insurance for those served by said station(s).  BUT HEY, so what,  my taxes didn't go up !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on May 17, 2010, 11:32:51 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on May 15, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
Any idea of why some of the historic preservation fund could not be used to relocate Fire Station No. 5? 

:D Because people like M-Train would object to it ??
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Kay on May 17, 2010, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on May 15, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
Any idea of why some of the historic preservation fund could not be used to relocate Fire Station No. 5? 

The building has to be locally designated as historic and the Fire Station is not.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on May 17, 2010, 12:04:51 PM
We need the funding to go to Landing parking.. very important! and total misuse of the money.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: vicupstate on May 17, 2010, 01:49:56 PM
Quote from: Kay on May 17, 2010, 11:53:26 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on May 15, 2010, 08:05:03 PM
Any idea of why some of the historic preservation fund could not be used to relocate Fire Station No. 5? 

The building has to be locally designated as historic and the Fire Station is not.

Generally, in order for any building to be so designated, either the owner (the city) or the Historical Commission would nominate it.  Is there any reason it could not have been nominated, and thus made eligible?  Could it be nominated now?
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on May 17, 2010, 02:07:51 PM
Good question!  Age-wise I would think it certainly meets the criteria ...I certainly do not want to come across as cynical...but at this stage in the game , would the City (City Council) even entertain , let alone allow it to recieve status .  Seems there would be some use for it.. If not a Firehouse subs/mixed development.. maybe an Office complex or  conversion to apartments? (assuming a place closeby could be identified to move it )
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Kay on May 17, 2010, 02:32:39 PM
The current owner is Fidelity.  They'd have to make application and could do so.
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Post by: xian1118 on May 17, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
I can't imagine this being a "priority" considering the current budget crisis...there are at least a dozen other structures in the urban core that would be better use of historic preservation funds than FS #5...and dozens of other projects that would be more beneficial for public use than dropping a cool million to move a fire station that was essentially rebuilt in the 70's
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on May 17, 2010, 04:58:34 PM
I happen to agree with you xian....although I do hate to see a really nice century old building go , simply because the land it is on is going to another use. That said ,between losing ,say, the Laura Trio or #5 , Id rather lose the latter ..  I hope Fidelity will hold out for a while .... perhaps someone one would want the building for another use.  Seriously..if it was in really bad shape I probably would not be so gung ho about seeing it spared.. but it is in good shape.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on August 02, 2010, 12:11:08 AM
And......it is doubtful that the City will want that to happen. Not some of the people of the community... the City does not, because if it did, it would have happened.  This building will, unfortunately follow a long list of them that have been destroyed.. This administration clearly had no intention of saving #5.   A very disappointing administration that has followed many of the past. No regard for history. Only about self-serving a select few of their own click.
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: vicupstate on December 03, 2010, 09:29:37 AM
I came across this recently.  Just another example of a well-done innovative use for a old Fire Station.  If a concervative small town of 9,000 can do it, why not Jacksonville?  

Does Fidelity not use conference rooms? Meeting space?   Could they not make some extra $ leasing out space for events?  


BTW, any news on Station 5 ?

www.newberryfirehouse.com (http://www.newberryfirehouse.com)  Click on 'Business Events' and 'Social Events' for interior pictures
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Ocklawaha on December 03, 2010, 09:32:19 AM
This is really easier then that, simply move it across the street (onto JTA property) and give it MASS TRANSIT AND TOD functions... eventual Skyway Station.

OCKLAWAHA
Title: Re: Historic Fire Station is SAVED !!
Post by: Timkin on December 04, 2010, 09:58:14 PM
Great Plan, Ock!   If only JTA could agree, #5 and PS # 4 could be spared.