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Community => Politics => Topic started by: JagFan07 on April 29, 2010, 04:27:26 PM

Title: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: JagFan07 on April 29, 2010, 04:27:26 PM
First we have this.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/un-elects-iran-commission-womens-rights (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/un-elects-iran-commission-womens-rights)

QuoteUN Elects Iran to Commission on Women's Rights
Brilliant.
BY John McCormack
April 29, 2010 4:09 PM

Joseph Abrams at Fox News reports on the latest masterstroke from the arbiters of legitimacy:

    Without fanfare, the United Nations this week elected Iran to its Commission on the Status of Women, handing a four-year seat on the influential human rights body to a theocratic state in which stoning is enshrined in law and lashings are required for women judged "immodest."

    Just days after Iran abandoned a high-profile bid for a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council, it began a covert campaign to claim a seat on the Commission on the Status of Women, which is "dedicated exclusively to gender equality and advancement of women," according to its website.

    Buried 2,000 words deep in a U.N. press release distributed Wednesday on the filling of "vacancies in subsidiary bodies," was the stark announcement: Iran, along with representatives from 10 other nations, was "elected by acclamation," meaning that no open vote was requested or required by any member states -- including the United States.

Then you have this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7639728/Suntanned-women-to-be-arrested-under-Islamic-dress-code.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7639728/Suntanned-women-to-be-arrested-under-Islamic-dress-code.html)

QuoteSuntanned women to be arrested under Islamic dress code
Iran has warned suntanned women and girls who looked like "walking mannequins" will be arrested as part of a new drive to enforce the Islamic dress code.


by Damien McElroy and Ahmad Vahdat
Published: 11:09PM BST 27 Apr 2010
Suntanned women to be arrested under Islamic dress code
A leading cleric, warned that women who dressed immodestly disturbed young men and the consequent agitation caused earthquakes Photo: SIPA/REX FEATURES

Brig Hossien Sajedinia, Tehran's police chief, said a national crackdown on opposition sympathisers would be extended to women who have been deemed to be violating the spirit of Islamic laws. He said: "The public expects us to act firmly and swiftly if we see any social misbehaviour by women, and men, who defy our Islamic values. In some areas of north Tehran we can see many suntanned women and young girls who look like walking mannequins.

"We are not going to tolerate this situation and will first warn those found in this manner and then arrest and imprison them."

Iran's Islamic leadership has in recent weeks launched a scaremongering campaign to persuade the population that vice is sweeping the streets of the capital. National law stipulates that women wear headscarves and shape shrouding cloaks but many women, particularly in the capital, spend heavily on fashions that barely adhere to the regulations.

The announcement came shortly after Ayatollah Kazim Sadighi, a leading cleric, warned that women who dressed immodestly disturbed young men and the consequent agitation caused earthquakes.

Another preacher warned Tehran's citizens to flee before the inevitable punishment for flagrant behaviour was visited on the city.

"Go on the streets and repent for your sins," Ayatollah Aziz Khoshvaqt, one of the country's highest clerics, told worshippers during a recent sermon in northern Tehran. "A holy torment is upon us. Leave town."

Just wow.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: buckethead on April 29, 2010, 04:51:21 PM
L"UN"atics.

I saw the tanning piece on drudge. When Bill Krystol (The Weekly Standard) teams up with Fox News, I get a very eerie feeling.

They will beat the war drums until we are no more.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: JagFan07 on April 29, 2010, 04:59:23 PM
Yeah, I was looking for another source besides Fox, but couldn't resist the irony.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:23:52 PM
The UN has had it's credibility gone for a long time now.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:39:16 PM
I know and am friends with a NATO Mitigations Executioner.
who still currently serves as panelist on mitigation and crisis management
I think I might know a little :3
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:45:05 PM
he serves under/in the un atm

Im not sure how that really works but eh
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:49:05 PM
tbh once it started to get jumpbled into the UN and NATO fields I just stoped him from explaining any further and made him talk in french cause that is fun to listen to  :D
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: urbanlibertarian on April 29, 2010, 07:50:48 PM
Isn't the US Treasury the UN automated teller? ;D
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: stephendare on April 29, 2010, 07:48:32 PM
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Kiy&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22NATO+Mitigations+Executioner%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

um. yeah... about that.

It must be a special job since nothing about a NATO mitigations executioner comes up on google.

Not everything in life can be found on Wiki or google
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: buckethead on April 29, 2010, 07:53:17 PM
Ease up on my Dogg SM!
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Sportmotor on April 29, 2010, 07:59:53 PM
Ok. The world must not exist if it isn't in google.
Gotcha. :D
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: civil42806 on April 29, 2010, 09:16:10 PM
Missed the period in the last 20 years when the UN had any credibility.  Does this surprise anyone really?  Loud voice in the chamber  "Stone her,  Stone her"  Deep imposing voice, I'm sorry but we haven't recognized the representative from Iran!
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: NotNow on April 30, 2010, 01:27:05 AM
As much as I hate to enter into this little fracas...I think what SM is referring to is a joint EU-NATO-UN program that is involved in mitigating threats to the Euro ATM or Air Traffic Management system.  I believe the (God help us) acronym was NEASCOG.  As with (any) military use of acronyms but especially in PC Europe where mixtures of language even in titles is often confusing, descriptions of functions, job titles, equipment, and even ranks is often misspoken or misunderstood.

This is understandably confusing for everyone.  I also have friends serving in the European theater and I often don't understand the acronyms and other terms.

Sport, is your friend in aviation or UXO?
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: NotNow on April 30, 2010, 06:36:40 AM
Um.  Maybe you can spell it out for me?  Am I missing something?  Or are you?
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: finehoe on April 30, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
The U.N. is far from perfect, but we shouldn't dismiss an organization that provides humanitarian
assistance and promotes improvements in the health of the world’s peoples.

QuoteIn addition to providing relief for humanitarian crises caused by international conflicts, the U.N. can also respond to emergencies caused by natural disasters such as floods and hurricanes. On a proactive level, the World Health Organization (WHO) and other U.N. affiliated groups have eliminated smallpox and are actively pursuing a battle against AIDS, tuberculosis, and malaria around the world. The WHO played a significant role in diagnosing and containing the spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) in 2003. U.N. programs, like the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) have saved and enriched the lives of the world’s children through immunization programs for polio, tetanus, measles, whooping cough, diphtheria and tuberculosis. The lives of over 3 million children a year have been saved.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: BridgeTroll on April 30, 2010, 10:32:59 AM
QuoteThe U.N. is far from perfect, but we shouldn't dismiss an organization that provides humanitarian
assistance and promotes improvements in the health of the world’s peoples.

I would be happy if they would stick to that... :)
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Dog Walker on April 30, 2010, 10:48:33 AM
In the early '60's, while still young and idealistic, I was the President of the United Nations Association at my university.  Because of holding that position, I was able to spend several weeks at the UN in New York inside the various directorates.  The UN was less that twenty years old at the time.

What I saw even then led me to immediately resign my office and advocate that the UN be moved out of New York to Geneva and that the US greatly reduce contributions and involvement.  

Even then it was clear that the UN was a bloated, corrupt, venal and ineffective organization and it has gotten worse since then.  There may have been some use for the organization during the cold war as a place that debates could take place and bribes passed to other countries by the two blocs, but there is no use for it now.  The few good programs that manage to squeeze some money out of the bureaucrats could easily be replaced or made independent.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: buckethead on April 30, 2010, 10:50:29 AM
Quote from: finehoe on April 30, 2010, 10:14:19 AM
The U.N. is far from perfect, but we shouldn't dismiss an organization that provides humanitarian
assistance and promotes improvements in the health of the world’s peoples.

QuoteThe United Nations has quietly upped this year's peacekeeping budget for earthquake-shattered Haiti to $732.4 million, with two-thirds of that amount going for the salary, perks and upkeep of its own personnel, not residents of the devastated island.

The world organization plans to spend the money on an expanded force of some 12,675 soldiers and police, plus some 479 international staffers, 669 international contract personnel, and 1,300 local workers, just for the 12 months ending June 30, 2010.

Some $495.8 million goes for salaries, benefits, hazard pay, mandatory R&R allowances and upkeep for the peacekeepers and their international staff support. Only about $33.9 million, or 4.6 percent, of that salary total is going to what the U.N. calls "national staff" attached to the peacekeeping effort.

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/042010_budgetdocument.pdf
Fox News? yup... with a UN document as a source.
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: ChriswUfGator on April 30, 2010, 10:57:01 AM
Well after reading this thread, some credibility has certainly been lost, but I'm not sure if it's the UN's...

World of Warcraft? LMAO
Title: Re: Has the UN lost all credibility
Post by: Jim on May 21, 2010, 09:28:11 PM
If credibility were arbitrarily started at 100%, the UN has most certainly lost a bit since inception.

Not to reduce the value of the humanitarian efforts they do provide, but they do tend to offset their positives with some pretty nasty negatives.