Poll
Question:
...the Jacksonville Jaguars select:
Option 1: Jimmy Clausen
votes: 2
Option 2: Brandon Graham
votes: 0
Option 3: Joe Haden
votes: 1
Option 4: Rolando McClain
votes: 3
Option 5: C.J. Spiller
votes: 14
Option 6: Tim Tebow
votes: 7
Option 7: Earl Thomas
votes: 2
Option 8: Other
votes: 8
Which player do you think the Jaguars will select in the first round tonight?
not going to be Tebow!
My choice (Joe Haden) is purely wishful thinking.
the jacksonville jaguars select..... the whole florida gators roster, including urban meyer!
there is a trade, the jacksonville jaguars have traded their whole team to los angeles for 2 sticks of gum and david hasselhoff.
but to be serious i hope they trade the pick for more picks, but if they don't i would be happy with spiller or clausen
I am totally torn between Spiller (my vote) and trading back with the Eagles to 24 (which has been rumored) and picking Tebow. In January I was totally an "eff Tebow, he will stink at the next level, the Jaguars would be idiots to waste a pick on him" guy.
But they've worn me down. John Gruden says he's 200 pounds of concrete cyanide. All these people are "totally sold on him" and his throwing motion did seem to dramatically improve in a short period. Draft him, let David play a couple more years and hand it over...
But Spiller is Chris Johnson 2 and him and MJD would be such a threat... so I am quite torn on what I want to see.
McClain would be fine with me too.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 22, 2010, 02:48:19 PM
I am totally torn between Spiller (my vote) and trading back with the Eagles to 24 (which has been rumored) and picking Tebow. In January I was totally an "eff Tebow, he will stink at the next level, the Jaguars would be idiots to waste a pick on him" guy.
But they've worn me down. John Gruden says he's 200 pounds of concrete cyanide. All these people are "totally sold on him" and his throwing motion did seem to dramatically improve in a short period. Draft him, let David play a couple more years and hand it over...
But Spiller is Chris Johnson 2 and him and MJD would be such a threat... so I am quite torn on what I want to see.
McClain would be fine with me too.
:D I couldn't agree more. I was just at lunch and while eating caught a espn piece on Tebow. He's done an amazing job marketing himself during the last few months. Watching tape of his new throwing motion with his words of determination laced over top has me just about sold.
I would like to have Spiller / McLain / Baluga / a trade for more picks but I'll most liekyl be happy with anything Gene Smith does. He's my hero.
We can't afforrd to draft someone jsut to sit on their ass and watch. I don't know how many times people have to say that, some organizations have the money to waste like that, we really don't.
I voted for Spiller because I honestly think he can be put on the field as a starter this season and make an incredible impression on the team.
Being totally honest though, only idiots would buy a ticket to see Tebow sitting on the sideline. I don't like seeing walking money just sitting there, I want to see action. Has tIm improved, I think so, but to be able to start right away, or at least after a few games, I don't think so.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
We can't afforrd to draft someone jsut to sit on their ass and watch. I don't know how many times people have to say that, some organizations have the money to waste like that, we really don't.
I voted for Spiller because I honestly think he can be put on the field as a starter this season and make an incredible impression on the team.
Being totally honest though, only idiots would buy a ticket to see Tebow sitting on the sideline. I don't like seeing walking money just sitting there, I want to see action. Has tIm improved, I think so, but to be able to start right away, or at least after a few games, I don't think so.
A lot of QB's drafted don't play immediately. It's arguably the most difficult position to get used to the speed of the pro game... unfortunately the Tebow fans in Jax wouldn't understand that.
Yeah.. a lot of times quarterbacks have to sit on their ass and watch learn.
A quarterback getting drafted and making an immediate positive impact doesn't happen very often. They often make immediate negative impacts when thrown right on the field... I would have no problem drafting a QB to develop even if he was the Number 1 overall pick, so long as he developed into an awesome quarterback. 2 years is nothing to wait so long as you get a franchise quarterback for 10 years once he starts playing.
We can use our first round pick more wisely than using it on Tebow. If he is there in the 2nd or 3rd, then maybe, but the 1st pick should always be a position you need to fill, not one to just get a few hundred more tickets sold. If the Jags do use the 1st pick on Tebow, in my eyes, they're honestly selling out annd trying to attract the common person that knows little to nothing about the mechanics of NFL football.
Quote from: Shwaz on April 22, 2010, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
We can't afforrd to draft someone jsut to sit on their ass and watch. I don't know how many times people have to say that, some organizations have the money to waste like that, we really don't.
I voted for Spiller because I honestly think he can be put on the field as a starter this season and make an incredible impression on the team.
Being totally honest though, only idiots would buy a ticket to see Tebow sitting on the sideline. I don't like seeing walking money just sitting there, I want to see action. Has tIm improved, I think so, but to be able to start right away, or at least after a few games, I don't think so.
A lot of QB's drafted don't play immediately. It's arguably the most difficult position to get used to the speed of the pro game... unfortunately the Tebow fans in Jax wouldn't understand that.
this is normally true if you were drafted low, but a top 10 qb is expected to start right away, even if they don't produce amazing stats. jags can't do that with tebow, but if he comes at a lower pick, i would be ok with it.
Aaron Rodgers is an example of a good QB drafted in the mid-first round and sat for 3 years before Favre finally left. I think that definitely helped him develop. Maybe Byron should have sat for a year or 2 before starting. Oh, that was when Shack Harris was running things...ugh.
I agree with most, Trust in GM Gene.
Quote from: hanjin1 on April 22, 2010, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on April 22, 2010, 02:57:15 PM
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
We can't afforrd to draft someone jsut to sit on their ass and watch. I don't know how many times people have to say that, some organizations have the money to waste like that, we really don't.
I voted for Spiller because I honestly think he can be put on the field as a starter this season and make an incredible impression on the team.
Being totally honest though, only idiots would buy a ticket to see Tebow sitting on the sideline. I don't like seeing walking money just sitting there, I want to see action. Has tIm improved, I think so, but to be able to start right away, or at least after a few games, I don't think so.
A lot of QB's drafted don't play immediately. It's arguably the most difficult position to get used to the speed of the pro game... unfortunately the Tebow fans in Jax wouldn't understand that.
this is normally true if you were drafted low, but a top 10 qb is expected to start right away, even if they don't produce amazing stats. jags can't do that with tebow, but if he comes at a lower pick, i would be ok with it.
I wasn't suggesting they take Tebow with the 10th pick.
I'm hoping for a trade down. With more picks there is a golden opportunity to restock and reload in what looks to be a deep draft. If we are able to swing that, I'm hopeful that a Kyle Wilson or Rolando McClain might be available to us, if one of the people mentioned upthread doesn't drop that far.
I genuinely don't believe Tebow has much of a chance of becoming a quality NFL starter and hate the idea of drafting him for the sake of drafting him if Gene Smith doesn't genuinely believe he's going to become a quality starter. Drafting him, then discarding or not using him because he doesn't pan out, could be a much worse fate than bypassing him. It reminds me of the situation when the then-ABA Indiana Pacers drafted Rick Mount, a statewide high school and college hero. When Mount didn't produce at the professional level, it spawned an ugly reaction against the team, then the player once the fan base finally figured out the team wasn't at fault for his shortcomings in the pros. I'd hate to think of Tebow's being subject to that vitriol if he doesn't pan out in the NFL, but more consequentially, the initial backlash against the Jaguars in such a scenario could be severely detrimental to their Jacksonville future.
I don't know about picking him at 10. If we can move back to the mid 20s and get a 2nd round pick and maybe another 4... then I say go ahead. I say so because I do think he will end up being at least a decent player. I don't know why I do, but I do think that. If I thought he was going to stink then I would never want to pick him even with a 7th round pick, because IF we pick him, you can rest assured he will be the starting QB. Picking him and then never letting him play would be much worse than not picking him at all.
:D typo on my part.
Definitely not at 10. Early 2nd round? Sure.
That's better... I was gonna say, you've REALLY been snowed, b/c you are normally more reasonable on topics-Jaguars than that.... But from what I'm hearing he will probably get taken late 1st or very early 2nd. There's no way to get an early 2nd rounder because they're held by teams above us in the 1st, and we can't trade down with them.
Profootballtalk (which I generally loathe but am looking at today) says:
No one knows where Florida quarterback Tim Tebow will be drafted. But the people around Tebow are dropping some strong hints that some team has already told them that Tebow is their man.
Tebow's father, Bob Tebow, claims his son is going in the first 15 picks. And Tebow's agent, Jimmy Sexton, told ESPN.com that he has a very good idea where Tebow will be drafted, and hints that it's higher than most people think.
"I don't know if it's gonna shock the world because I always thought he was going to do well," Sexton said. "But we pretty much know. We have a pretty good idea what's going to happen."
Of course, it's impossible for any player to know for sure where he's going to go until he hears his name called at Radio City Music Hall. Not even Sam Bradford knows for sure where he's going to go.
But the Tebow camp says they have a good idea. And they sound like they're pleased with where they think they're going.
The unfortunate thing about drafting Tebow at all, is that this fan base will insist that he start after David Garrard's first interception or the offense doesn't score in their first possession of the season. If Jack and David are able to win and keep the hounds off, they would still want Tebow to start at QB. When Tebow gets his shot and fails, then it is the offensive coordinator/receivers/offensive line/Roar member/hot dog vendor's fault that he didn't do well.
And do you really think that he is going to sell season tickets? 90% of the fans clamoring for drafting Tebow don't even go to Gainesville for Gator games! UF had to return over 5,000 unsold tickets from the Sugar Bowl even though it was Tebow's last game. These people like to watch Tebow on TV and even if the game is blacked out, they would rather wait until Monday night to watch the rerun on-line than buy a ticket.
If the Jaguars do draft him, please wait until the 2nd round if we can pick up a 2nd round pick!
If Tebow gets drafted he will definatly need a year or two, to adjust to the NFL style and to polish and learn. No matter who gets him.
Id rather see him learn here in the Jags then anywhere else. Plus as said before, his milkshake brings all the Gators to the yard, and the Jags couldnt hurt with that extra revenue.
Jags, Come for the Tebow. Stay for the Jags.
I'm hoping for a good outcome for the Jags. I'm not really knowledgable enough to go any further than that.
I do get that Tebow might not fit as a prototypical NFL QB, but I hope the best for him too. All the TT talk has
been tiring, but he is a hometown kid, a phenomenally accomplished college athlete, and a heckuva fine young man as well.
Whatever happens, I'd like to see the Tebow worship and hate subside.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 22, 2010, 03:25:37 PM
Profootballtalk (which I generally loathe but am looking at today) says:
Have you tried National Football Post? It's about as current on news and rumors as ProFootballTalk without most of the loathesome elements, e.g. reflexive shots at Jacksonville.
Ok, why is he having a news conference at 6pm?
If he is doing it to toot his own horn, then you're going to have a lot more annoyed people because you think you're all that and a side of grits.
trade down!!!! Jax trade down!!
Is he really? I did not know that.
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 05:15:05 PM
Is he really? I did not know that.
Yeah, it came together quickly.
I don't understand why, wtf is he going to talk about?
OMFG, it is a "me, me, me" news conference.
Please, I honest to god hope you flop so bad.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 06:06:40 PM
OMFG, it is a "me, me, me" news conference.
Please, I honest to god hope you flop so bad.
Hey dude, dont watch it. ;)
If you dislike him so much why are you giving him the time of day?
Does anyone realize that there are two potential other "Jacksonville" kids that play QB in college in this draft?
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 06:10:50 PM
Hey dude, dont watch it. ;)
If you dislike him so much why are you giving him the time of day?
I turned it off.
So just because I don't like someone means I can't vent/talk about that person?
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 06:16:04 PM
I turned it off.
So just because I don't like someone means I can't vent/talk about that person?
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Why did you turn it on in the first place? :P Venting is cool but you seem to just hate someone you never meet. and according to Bucket. you should be arrested :D
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 06:18:35 PM
Why did you turn it on in the first place? :P Venting is cool but you seem to just hate someone you never meet. and according to Bucket. you should be arrested :D
Uh, I was watching the news and then they switched over to it.
I should be arrested, how CUTE!
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 06:18:35 PM
Why did you turn it on in the first place? :P Venting is cool but you seem to just hate someone you never meet. and according to Bucket. you should be arrested :D
Uh, I was watching the news and then they switched over to it.
I should be arrested, how CUTE!
LMAO I am not sure why that hit me as funny, but yes I am glad you think I am >:3
Sam Bradford and N. Suh are taken 1 and 2.
linky (http://www.justin.tv/extreamwrestlinghd#r=KC17v4o~)
Gerald McCoy and Trent Williams are taken 3 and 4.
wow first 3 pics all from Oklahoma
Lol wow!!!! Nail in the casket!
I wonder what the Jaguar fans are going to do now?? Wow very very interesting.
There goes my prediction. McClain to the Raiders.
Buffalo has shown intrest in Tebow and he went to meet with them, this will be intresting :O
F*ck, Buffalo just took Spiller!
so who will it be?
Someone from California, lol.
Tyson Alualu at 10? That's a stretch.
Tyson, waist. They need a O-line more then that
Not the first comment you want to read about your teams pick: "The Cowboys really liked Tyson Alualu ... and thought they'd be able to get him at No. 27. "
I blame it on Buffalo.
What was odd is that you had 3 teams in a row that had serious QB issues, Cleveland, Oakland, and Buffalo and they didn't take one. Makes me wonder what's next.
I just dont understand the pick to be honest.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
I blame it on Buffalo.
agreed
Plus we have no second round pick. Does that mean Tebow in the third....?
Eh, Cleveland wasn't taking a QB @ 7 - with a high round 2, they're hoping McCoy will be there, and if not, there's an outside chance they take a flyer on Tebow (I'll start breaking things, but it's a reality). Plus, name the last time you saw Oakland take a logical choice.. ;-)
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 08:41:54 PM
I just dont understand the pick to be honest.
Me either. I know we need a pass rush, but wasn't that the point of picking up Kampman?
Best Player Available. Top player on GM Smith's value board and he apparently couldn't trade back. This guy will replace John Henderson.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on April 22, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
Best Player Available.
If that's the GM's evaluation of "Best Player Available" the Jags have bigger problems than will be solved in this draft
well, it is only one pick, and there is no guarantee that they'll make it through camp this summer and make the cut to be perfectly honest.
I'll wait for a full judgement when the draft is over to see how the whole class we have shapes up.
Quote from: 9a is my backyard on April 22, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Plus we have no second round pick. Does that mean Tebow in the third....?
He might be gone by then
and no we have no second round pick
Jax Sharks will get a bigger bump in season ticket sells than the Jags with that pick...
ha ha ha ha ha So should Los Angeles be happy?
Quote from: Coolyfett on April 22, 2010, 09:01:28 PM
ha ha ha ha ha So should Los Angeles be happy?
oh yeah, based on?
What the #$!@. This guy is the #74 rated prospect according to Fox Sports. Since he's from California,
he'll probably be playing there soon for the LA Jaguars........................
Quote from: MusicMan on April 22, 2010, 09:03:16 PM
What the #$!@. This guy is the #74 rated prospect according to Fox Sports. Since he's from California,
he'll probably be playing there soon for the LA Jaguars........................
Lovin the optimism.
Just because a website gives IT'S OPINION as to how good he is and where he ranks doesn't mean a damn thing. Look at all the top picks that have busted in the past, it doesn't mean a damn thing to me and anyone with half a brain would realize that as well.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 08:41:13 PM
I blame it on Buffalo.
What was odd is that you had 3 teams in a row that had serious QB issues, Cleveland, Oakland, and Buffalo and they didn't take one. Makes me wonder what's next.
All those teams passed on 15,,,,,what does that say about the mentally and intelligence of Jacksonville fans.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: Coolyfett on April 22, 2010, 09:01:28 PM
ha ha ha ha ha So should Los Angeles be happy?
oh yeah, based on?
Lol based on Byron Leftwich, Reggie Williams, Matt Jones & Andre Rison
It seem like everyone's a genius NFL talent scout.
Not having that particular talent, I'll take the wait and see approach.
Quote from: Clem1029 on April 22, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on April 22, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
Best Player Available.
If that's the GM's evaluation of "Best Player Available" the Jags have bigger problems than will be solved in this draft
I'd wait to reserve judgement....last year's draft worked out pretty well.
Here's his Cal Bears profile site:
http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/alualu_tyson00.html (http://www.calbears.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/alualu_tyson00.html)
From the site linked above:
"Played in the 2010 Senior Bowl and contributed a sack for a loss of four yards, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery in a 31-13 North victory ... his sack came on 2007 Heisman Trophy winner and former Florida quarterback Tim Tebow."
From profootballtalk.com:
Jaguars take Tyson Alualu
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 22, 2010 8:42 PM ET
With the 10th pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Jacksonville Jaguars surprised everyone, selecting Cal defensive tackle Tyson Alualu.
A lot of mock drafts had the Jaguars taking running back C.J. Spiller with the 10th pick, but when the Bills grabbed Spiller at No. 9, the Jaguars decided to make a surprise selection.
NFL Network's Mike Mayock referred to Alualu as one of his favorite players in the draft, while ESPN's Mel Kiper said the Jaguars reached by about half a round. Draft expert Rick Gosselin rated Alualu as the No. 31 overall player in the draft, but the Jaguars took him 21 spots higher than that.
The 6-foot-3, 295-pound Alualu was a three-year starter at Cal, with 40 starts in his college career. The Jaguars wouldn't have taken him this highly if they didn't expect him to start as a rookie, which means the early surprise of the draft will be expected to get on the field early in his NFL career.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/jaguars-take-tyson-alualu/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/22/jaguars-take-tyson-alualu/)
I dunno why so many people wanted the Jags to get Spiller. We already have MJD, and they (MJD CJ) are damn near the same guy (being that they're both smallish, and elusive style RBs). If Alualu is the real deal like they think, then him and Knighton are gonna be a force to be reckoned with.
We shall see what happens, this is exciting to see who goes to who
I enjoy watching these kids get so excited. Congrats to this year's first round class!
Denver gets Tebow.
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 09:51:17 PM
I enjoy watching these kids get so excited. Congrats to this year's first round class!
It is enjoyable for sure
Good for Tebow, I will be buying a Denver jersy then.
Switching gears...what in the WORLD is Denver thinking?
I think the lack of air at their altitude is messing with them...
What's odd is that Denver got Brady Quinn with a trade they did this offseason with Cleveland.
Seriously, a very random ass pick.
lol does jax play denver?
Home opener.
If you love Jacksonville, you really got to be happy for this home town kid.
Congrats to the Tebow Family. Enjoy the moment.
Quote from: Coolyfett on April 22, 2010, 10:10:47 PM
lol does jax play denver?
yeah, 1st game of the regular season
Yeah, enjoy the moment, because the reality of you being a baby in the NFL, not cry baby, but as in experience, will hit you like a ton of bricks I'm sure.
Oh god, not to my Broncos. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm going to throw up.
Please, Denver. Trade him. Please.
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 10:12:44 PM
Home opener.
If you love Jacksonville, you really got to be happy for this home town kid.
Congrats to the Tebow Family. Enjoy the moment.
MAN that is going to be heartach going to that first game. Happy for him, gonna be cheering him on if he plays the field.
Well...at least Jacksonville will get one sold out, non-blackout game this year... ;-)
I never thought he would be taken so soon.
Tim Tebow is an NFL First Round Pick!
I'll be eating some crow, fed to me by some hardcore Gator fans in the morning.
Looks like a sell out for the home opener. :D
Quote from: JaxByDefault on April 22, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Oh god, not to my Broncos. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm going to throw up.
Please, Denver. Trade him. Please.
don't worry...we'll all live...and the torture will be over quickly for non-Gator fans in Jax.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 22, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Looks like a sell out for the home opener. :D
I was thinking the same thing,cant wait!!!! should be fun.
Quote from: JaxByDefault on April 22, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Oh god, not to my Broncos. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm going to throw up.
Please, Denver. Trade him. Please.
As I've said elsewhere, the only 2 things that are good about Denver taking Tebow are 1) he's not playing for the Jags and b) he's not playing for my Browns.
Beyond that...it's about as nonsensical pick as the Jags #10... ;-)
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
I never thought he would be taken so soon.
Tim Tebow is an NFL First Round Pick!
I'll be eating some crow, fed to me by some hardcore Gator fans in the morning.
First round pick doesn't mean shit.
Seriously, no guarantee he'll make the cut after training camp. Just because you're drafted just means the team has interest in you and ain't going to signed you right away, unless your Sam Bradford going to the trainwreck Rams.
Still though, Denver, I mean they really weren't in that much need of a QB, they got Orton and just got Brady Quinn.
Quote from: Clem1029 on April 22, 2010, 10:23:02 PM
As I've said elsewhere, the only 2 things that are good about Denver taking Tebow are 1) he's not playing for the Jags and b) he's not playing for my Browns.
Beyond that...it's about as nonsensical pick as the Jags #10... ;-)
Don't worry y'all will get Colt McCoy or Jimmy Clausen.
Would be funny if he torches Jax in the opener, well I guess it wouldnt be funny.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 22, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: JaxByDefault on April 22, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Oh god, not to my Broncos. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm going to throw up.
Please, Denver. Trade him. Please.
don't worry...we'll all live...and the torture will be over quickly for non-Gator fans in Jax.
No it wont, I will help make sure of it XD
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 22, 2010, 10:25:57 PM
Would be funny if he torches Jax in the opener, well I guess it wouldnt be funny.
Jags have never won the opener at home I think sooooooo good chance
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 22, 2010, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 22, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Looks like a sell out for the home opener. :D
I was thinking the same thing,cant wait!!!! should be fun.
Its going to be a blast man, Im horribly excited for it now
Well they have done well over denver in the past and no Brandon Marshall to worry about. Just Teebow's dive play.
Can't torch anyone from the bench.
Ima buy a Touchdown club seat for it ;D I cant wait
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 10:24:32 PM
Quote from: Clem1029 on April 22, 2010, 10:23:02 PM
As I've said elsewhere, the only 2 things that are good about Denver taking Tebow are 1) he's not playing for the Jags and b) he's not playing for my Browns.
Beyond that...it's about as nonsensical pick as the Jags #10... ;-)
Don't worry y'all will get Colt McCoy or Jimmy Clausen.
Actually, with Clausen still on the board, I'm slightly stunned the Browns (with about a million picks in the rest of the draft) haven't traded up to grab him.
With the way this draft has played out so far, the new format (i.e., a day between rounds 1 and 2) you're going to see a ton of movement overnight to position for some of the guys still left.
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 10:12:44 PM
Home opener.
If you love Jacksonville, you really got to be happy for this home town kid.
Congrats to the Tebow Family. Enjoy the moment.
Im rooting for Rusty Smith from FAU and Riley Skinner from Wake Forest. Both hometown kids playing QB without the media following.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 22, 2010, 10:20:21 PM
Quote from: JaxByDefault on April 22, 2010, 10:13:51 PM
Oh god, not to my Broncos. NOOOOOOOOOOOO! I'm going to throw up.
Please, Denver. Trade him. Please.
don't worry...we'll all live...and the torture will be over quickly for non-Gator fans in Jax.
And here I was ready to take sympathy Bold City growlers to Steve and MrMakersMark to ease *their* pain if their beloved Jags took Tebow. All for me now.
I'll just watch spouse's Titans next season until Quinn gets the QB job, Tebow freezes to the sidelines bench, and I get over my disappointment with the Broncos' management. :)
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 09:18:46 PM
It seem like everyone's a genius NFL talent scout.
Not having that particular talent, I'll take the wait and see approach.
Agreed. Let the kid take the field before you label him a bust. Alualu had 65 tackles - 11-1/2 for a loss and 7-1/2 sacks.... last season!
Just because you don't know who he is or some talking head sports writer didn't have him on his board doesn't mean he can't play.
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 22, 2010, 10:25:57 PM
Would be funny if he torches Jax in the opener, well I guess it wouldnt be funny.
Jags have never won the opener at home I think sooooooo good chance
stick to guns & ammo bruh.
HA!
That wasnt very christan :P
The fake ass Gator homer/4 percent Jag fan are now weeded out. Thank God, we now have real Jag fans left, who are realistic, and do not have Tebow tunnelvision. Those fake and frail ass Gator homer Jag fans, probably root for teams like the Dolphins, and the Steelers when they play us anyway. Go on and root for Denver Gator fan! We don't want you!
Gator fans have good cause to be proud of their team, just as Tebow fans are justified in admiring him. I am just as sick of overly arrogant fans (of any team) as anyone else, but a bit of tolerance goes a long way.
I welcome Gator/Tebow fans to any and every Jaguars game.
^^^You're right, but I'm just tired of those " I'm not supporting the Jags anymore because they didn't get Tebow" type of fans; I'm like "Well you weren't ever a real Jag fan to begin with". Hard as it is to believe, there are actually some intelligent, and realistic Gator fans out there. What no one around these parts are talking about is that Denver really reached too much for Tebow.
Should Tebow need a mansion built... I'm his guy!
Holla Tim!
Quote from: Clem1029 on April 22, 2010, 08:45:27 PM
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on April 22, 2010, 08:44:03 PM
Best Player Available.
If that's the GM's evaluation of "Best Player Available" the Jags have bigger problems than will be solved in this draft
Why, because Mel Kiper said so?
You mean like last year, when Kiper said Knighton was a major reach and Cox was the 107th best CB available?
I'm not sure what's more insufferable, the fans who treat people like Kiper and commercial draft guides as gospel or the ones who think life is a Madden game and taking a lineman = no ticket sales because we didn't take someone "exciting."
I think the Jags fell in love with this guy... wanted to trade down to get him... couldn't find a trading partner and wound up taking him anyway. definitely a reach but there are no guarantees some of the guys the jags passed over will make it either.
Quite happy with my Packers pick though... :)
I will admit, I despise the Gators. I hate how many players Jax has drafted from UF. That said...
Tebow will have to be beyond a bust for Jax not to have taken him. I mean out of the league by next year bust.
Sure it would be a dog and pony show by drafting him at 10, stupid by any other team. But the Jaguars are nearly giving away tickets and people are still not buying seats. Weaver had to do something else, and that would have been drafting TT. Its is beyond me why folks wont buy tickets for this team. They are a decent team, not great, but decent with good shot at making the playoffs this year. I dont even want to hear about the economy. There are plenty of people in this town to fill a 60,000 person stadium 8 times a year. People just dont want to go. So be it, the Jags will leave. The best thing to have happened to this town in the last 2 decades and this city will waste it, just as they have the waterfront downtown and any other myriad of oppurtunities. I dont think TT would have solved everything, but something had to change about the Jags and they let it slip right through their fingers.
Yes they need to change their one year of being below NFL average in ticket sales.
We've already sold 4,000 more season tickets in the general bowl than we did last year.
A dog and pony show is no long-term solution, and if Tebow didn't pan out it could lead to a disastrous reaction against the team. Picking Tebow also makes us look amatuerish and like a minor-league town to the rest of the country.
The Alualu pick shows that Gene has guts, that's for sure. He knew it wouldn't be popular, and it wasn't one of the ever-"exciting" skill position players, but he did what he thought was right. No pandering to the casual at best Jaguar fans with Tebow or Bryant, no grasping at need with Graham or Pierre-Paul or Thomas.
I was pretty stunned by the pick, but I am willing to see how it works out. Everyone gripes and moans about not getting any pressure on the quarterback, so we go out and sign Kampman and draft this player and everyone gripes and moans. Seems to me people just like to gripe and moan more than they like the Jaguars. Sports are supposed to be an escape from the trials and tribulations of daily life. I get emotionally invested and really REALLY into the games, but why is everyone so quick to anger? There are dozens of people at the stadium whose sole job it is for years is to evaluate this guy. Yes, years. They didn't just start watching tape on him 3 months ago. College scouts for the Jaguars have been watching this guy live for a couple years now... give him a chance. I do worry that Gene might have gotten "too smart for the room" because of his home run w/ Knighton and Cox last year. I worry he said "I saw their true value when nobody else did, and I'll do it again." But, again, I am not a paid NFL scout.
Lastly, it is amazing how authoritative some folks can be when giving an opinion on a topic they are obviously less than informed about. The Jaguars have won home openers before. And reed... a first round pick is not going to get cut after training camp. Are you insane? If someone cuts a first round pick after training camp in the next 5 years for poor play, I'll buy you a yacht. Not cutting him b/c he dies, or gets his leg amputated, etc.. but just for "poor play". I would venture to guess it hasn't happened in 50 years, if that.
Yep Jeffery it was ONE year. With it looking like TWO years this year. They are giving tickets away , and looks to be blackedout again. Many college teams charge more than the Jaguars and still fill their large stadiums. If Tebow was viewed by scouts to be a first round pick, which he was, the Jags had to take him. This DT may very well be pro-bowler, but the same can be said for Tebow. I DESPISE the gators and yet I was really pulling for the Jags to take him. There are so many transplants here the games have to be on TV for new locals to have any interest in this team. Why not just stay at home and see your hometown team that you grew up with Vs. paying money to go see a team that you know nothing about and cant get a chance to know them because its a coinflip if the game is going to be blackedout.
Also I have no problem drafting linemen. The game is won in the trenches on both sides of the ball. They aint glamorous picks but they win games. I just feel this time, with the whole draft being a crap shoot anyway, take a guy that will energize the area and the fan base to buy tickets. Tebow could be out of the league next year or a pro-bowler. So could the guy the Jags drafted, I just thought this is the ONE time you do it. Because at the end of the day the 10th pick Vs. the 25th pick is not that different in the NFL draft.
I have no problem if they had taken Tebow. I feel there is some validity to "come for Tebow stay for the Jags". I just do not feel the sky is falling in the ticket sales department. Hey looks like we are number one in the state.
One expert had Alualu rated at 30th best player in the draft. Way ahead of several players in the 1st round. So time will tell if it was a good pick. But based on last year's success, maybe the Jags are on to something. I am a big Gator fan, and yes, I wanted Tebow for the glamour of the pick. But I'm a Jags fan first. I kinda think the Jaguars would love to have traded down and maybe he was someone they would have drafted. Everyone after us traded their pick. I just hope fans are smart enough to support the team not just a player.
I am willing to let Gene Smith pick my team any day. Go Jags!
I also think the Shack/Jack Attack killed the possibility of drafting another Gator in the 1st round. Just say Reggie Nelson and Derrick Harvey. Most critics forget that before those two we also had Fred Taylor who was great. Everyone needs to remember that every player chosen last night has the potential to be a complete bust. And history proves most are.
Quote from: avonjax on April 23, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
I also think the Shack/Jack Attack killed the possibility of drafting another Gator in the 1st round. Just say Reggie Nelson and Derrick Harvey. Most critics forget that before those two we also had Fred Taylor who was great. Everyone needs to remember that every player chosen last night has the potential to be a complete bust. And history proves most are.
I don't think so. I think Haden was on the Jaguars' radar if Cleveland had taken Wilson instead. Doubtful that Gene would make judgments based on whether players from that school failed for the Jaguars before.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 23, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
And reed... a first round pick is not going to get cut after training camp. Are you insane? If someone cuts a first round pick after training camp in the next 5 years for poor play, I'll buy you a yacht. Not cutting him b/c he dies, or gets his leg amputated, etc.. but just for "poor play". I would venture to guess it hasn't happened in 50 years, if that.
Are you 100% sure? Last time I checked, nobody is guaranteed making it through training camp and while it is an extremely remote idea, you never know because there is always that chance.
Nobody is guaranteed a spot until summer mini camp is over, that is what I'm trying to get at more than anything, you were obviously reading into it too much.
I'd like to know how I'm sounding "authoritative" when I'm stating facts and you have to look at every possibility. Nobody gets a free pass in my books, never have, and never will.
Quote from: reednavy on April 23, 2010, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 23, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
And reed... a first round pick is not going to get cut after training camp. Are you insane? If someone cuts a first round pick after training camp in the next 5 years for poor play, I'll buy you a yacht. Not cutting him b/c he dies, or gets his leg amputated, etc.. but just for "poor play". I would venture to guess it hasn't happened in 50 years, if that.
Are you 100% sure? Last time I checked, nobody is guaranteed making it through training camp and while it is an extremely remote idea, you never know because there is always that chance.
Nobody is guaranteed a spot until summer mini camp is over, that is what I'm trying to get at more than anything, you were obviously reading into it too much.
I'd like to know how I'm sounding "authoritative" when I'm stating facts and you have to look at every possibility. Nobody gets a free pass in my books, never have, and never will.
yea he won't get cut because you would be giving him a huge signing bonus to play here and there is no way a team is going to throw money away without seeing what he can do on the field first. i mean look at harvey, his bum arse is still here
Sorry Wacca. What I meant was from the fans perspective not the teams. I think they truly try to make the best decision possible no matter where the player is from.
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 22, 2010, 10:29:48 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 22, 2010, 10:25:57 PM
Would be funny if he torches Jax in the opener, well I guess it wouldnt be funny.
Jags have never won the opener at home I think sooooooo good chance
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 23, 2010, 03:27:01 AM
That wasnt very christan :P
QuoteThe Jaguars will open the regular season at home for the first time since 2007 and the ninth time in club history. The Jaguars own a 9-6 mark (.600 winning percentage) in opening day games.
Quote from: hanjin1 on April 23, 2010, 09:35:24 AM
Quote from: reednavy on April 23, 2010, 09:33:11 AM
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 23, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
And reed... a first round pick is not going to get cut after training camp. Are you insane? If someone cuts a first round pick after training camp in the next 5 years for poor play, I'll buy you a yacht. Not cutting him b/c he dies, or gets his leg amputated, etc.. but just for "poor play". I would venture to guess it hasn't happened in 50 years, if that.
Are you 100% sure? Last time I checked, nobody is guaranteed making it through training camp and while it is an extremely remote idea, you never know because there is always that chance.
Nobody is guaranteed a spot until summer mini camp is over, that is what I'm trying to get at more than anything, you were obviously reading into it too much.
I'd like to know how I'm sounding "authoritative" when I'm stating facts and you have to look at every possibility. Nobody gets a free pass in my books, never have, and never will.
yea he won't get cut because you would be giving him a huge signing bonus to play here and there is no way a team is going to throw money away without seeing what he can do on the field first. i mean look at harvey, his bum arse is still here
It has happened...I was a Broncos fan prior to the Jaguars' coming along, and in 1988 Denver took Ted Gregory in the first round. Gregory ended up not making the roster, not because of injury or some other freak incident but because they absolutely misjudged his ability. And they had a desperate need at that position (DT) too. I think Gregory played one year as a reserve for New Orleans. Of course, rookie salaries were not yet where they are now.
Incidentally, Harvey may not be much of a pass rusher or in any way worth a trade up to #8, but he's not a total stiff either.
Where did this "Jaguars have never won a home opener" thing come from? Seattle in 2005, Dallas in 2006, Pittsburgh in 1996 off the top of my head.
Quote from: reednavy on April 22, 2010, 10:23:27 PM
Quote from: buckethead on April 22, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
I never thought he would be taken so soon.
Tim Tebow is an NFL First Round Pick!
I'll be eating some crow, fed to me by some hardcore Gator fans in the morning.
First round pick doesn't mean shit.
Seriously, no guarantee he'll make the cut after training camp. Just because you're drafted just means the team has interest in you and ain't going to signed you right away, unless your Sam Bradford going to the trainwreck Rams.
Still though, Denver, I mean they really weren't in that much need of a QB, they got Orton and just got Brady Quinn.
I took this as sounding rather authoritative.
First round picks mean shit, man. They mean a lot. They make or break teams. They get coaches and GMs fired or extended. If a team drafts someone in the first round, they are interested in that player. You are correct that "anything can happen", but Godzilla might attack my office building today. Anything can happen. It's about as likely as a top-25 1st round pick that a team just paid millions and millions of dollars in guaranteed money getting cut after training camp.
And 1999. We only lost 2x that year, both to Tennessee, and I know they didn't open at home w/ Tennessee that season.
QuoteThe best thing to have happened to this town in the last 2 decades and this city will waste it, just as they have the waterfront downtown and any other myriad of oppurtunities. I dont think TT would have solved everything, but something had to change about the Jags and they let it slip right through their fingers.
Am I the only one who was angered by this? I guess Lake and Sdare don't get involved in football threads. This just reeks of defeatist language to me. What are you doing to change this St Auggie? I'm guessing nothing, but prove me wrong.
Ah, the irony. Broncos fans are livid.
Quote from: Tripoli1711 on April 23, 2010, 09:58:34 AM
And 1999. We only lost 2x that year, both to Tennessee, and I know they didn't open at home w/ Tennessee that season.
Yep, beat San Francisco 41-3 at home in the opener.
damn, tim tebow would have turned downtown around by himself.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, thank god we did not draft him
Quote from: hanjin1 on April 23, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
damn, tim tebow would have turned downtown around by himself.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. He would have probably done that the day after he developed all of Cecil field, and the day before he brought a cruise ship terminal and a nuclear carrier to Mayport.
I must say, at this point I am playing the "what might have been" game in my mind re: Tebow. I mean, IF he ends up being a star quarterback, and if he had lead us to a couple of titles.. wow. You think Peyton Manning is in a lot of commercials during football season? Tebow would have been in 2,000,000 commercials wearing a Jaguars jersey. He would be on the cover of every magazine, in a Jaguars jersey. Little kids in North Dakota would become bandwagon Jaguars fans and wear Jaguars jerseys to school and dream of coming to Jacksonville and watching a game.
Honestly, it probably was our one chance, at least for quite some time, to become a true national sensation. Both as a football team and as a city as a result of the team. There are a lot of "if and then"s in that scenario, but part of me kinda wishes we had taken that chance. It certainly would have been very high risk, but very high reward...
I heard Denver will be selling his #15 Jersey and a replica clipboard just like the one he'll hold for most of his career.
Quote from: Shwaz on April 23, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
I heard Denver will be selling his #15 Jersey and a replica clipboard just like the one he'll hold for most of his career.
Right...and he was never supposed to be able to do anything against SEC defenses either. He was doubted when he started his college career as well. All he did was win a heisman and be a finalist for 3 years, set rushing TD record for the SEC, was the first person to throw over 30 passing tds and rush for over 20 tds in a single season, and threw only 16 interceptions his entire career, while helping his team win two national championships.
Will he make a good NFL qb, who knows? But he's proven he could thrive when many thought he could not already.
So much venom towards a local kid going on to play the in NFL, a dream of his since he was a child.
I don't get it.
Quote from: jason_contentdg on April 23, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on April 23, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
I heard Denver will be selling his #15 Jersey and a replica clipboard just like the one he'll hold for most of his career.
Right...and he was never supposed to be able to do anything against SEC defenses either. He was doubted when he started his college career as well. All he did was win a heisman and be a finalist for 3 years, set rushing TD record for the SEC, was the first person to throw over 30 passing tds and rush for over 20 tds in a single season, and threw only 16 interceptions his entire career, while helping his team win two national championships.
Will he make a good NFL qb, who knows? But he's proven he could thrive when many thought he could not already.
So much venom towards a local kid going on to play the in NFL, a dream of his since he was a child.
I don't get it.
What?! He was the highest recruited player in the nation coming out of high school... I know the kid is Christian but take the cross off his shoulders.
Quote from: Shwaz on April 23, 2010, 11:40:33 AM
Quote from: jason_contentdg on April 23, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on April 23, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
I heard Denver will be selling his #15 Jersey and a replica clipboard just like the one he'll hold for most of his career.
Right...and he was never supposed to be able to do anything against SEC defenses either. He was doubted when he started his college career as well. All he did was win a heisman and be a finalist for 3 years, set rushing TD record for the SEC, was the first person to throw over 30 passing tds and rush for over 20 tds in a single season, and threw only 16 interceptions his entire career, while helping his team win two national championships. And where did I mention anything about him being Christian?
Will he make a good NFL qb, who knows? But he's proven he could thrive when many thought he could not already.
So much venom towards a local kid going on to play the in NFL, a dream of his since he was a child.
I don't get it.
What?! He was the highest recruited player in the nation coming out of high school... I know the kid is Christian but take the cross off his shoulders.
Yeah, he was highly rated, but many doubted that he could run and throw against SEC defenses....sure their weren't as many doubters as he now has about his NFL potential, but it was being said 4 years ago.
It was being said by a select few. The SEC is almost all spread formations and he was obviously the best player ever in that offense. I'm sure the majority of 'experts' had him pegged to succeed.
Quote from: jason_contentdg on April 23, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on April 23, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
I heard Denver will be selling his #15 Jersey and a replica clipboard just like the one he'll hold for most of his career.
Right...and he was never supposed to be able to do anything against SEC defenses either. He was doubted when he started his college career as well. All he did was win a heisman and be a finalist for 3 years, set rushing TD record for the SEC, was the first person to throw over 30 passing tds and rush for over 20 tds in a single season, and threw only 16 interceptions his entire career, while helping his team win two national championships.
Will he make a good NFL qb, who knows? But he's proven he could thrive when many thought he could not already.
So much venom towards a local kid going on to play the in NFL, a dream of his since he was a child.
I don't get it.
I think a good part of it is not venom toward Tebow per se but backlash against hearing his name so often, and the context in which it usually arises in relation to the Jaguars.
I've no logical reason to dislike him personally, but I forever associate the mention of his name with a sports media campaign to categorize Jacksonville as a minor-league/college town. As much time and money as I expend defending Jacksonville as a city where the Jaguars will succeed and thrive and endure, it's outright embarrassing when, e.g., local radio hosts associate not drafting Tebow with "giving the middle finger to the city," or when it becomes a national media meme that we can only sell tickets if we draft the local hero, or when Vic Ketchman receives 500 absurdist e-mails a day casting Tebow as a surefire Super Bowl champion. He became a symbol of classifying Jacksonville as insular and small-time. Because I love Jacksonville, I hate that.
I also do not think he will become a good QB--not that my opinion is worth anything in that department, but I hated the thought of our rolling the dice on him because I saw the idea of expending a first or even a second-rounder on him as pandering to the fair-weather fans in the area rather than genuinely trying to improve the team. And I figured that would only further the "Jacksonville as minor-league and college town" reptuation that those in the press who openly root for the team to move want to encourage.
Looks like we should have started a Tebow thread.
Today is the day we need to welcome Tyson Alualu to Jacksonville.
I have my doubts because I had not heard of him. Remebering that we are going to take Derrek Cox in tonights second round, I must defer to the wisdom of Gene Smith. We have already gotten a productive year from that pick, although I saw it as a reach when it happened. (I did not really know, but I listened to the "experts")
Question:
Would you take Derrek Cox in the second round tonight?
Answer: Only if you had good sense. Gene Smith is a year ahead of the pack. Ima cut him some slack.
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 23, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
Where did this "Jaguars have never won a home opener" thing come from? Seattle in 2005, Dallas in 2006, Pittsburgh in 1996 off the top of my head.
QuoteI think
selective reading is like crack, it kills
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 23, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 23, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
Where did this "Jaguars have never won a home opener" thing come from? Seattle in 2005, Dallas in 2006, Pittsburgh in 1996 off the top of my head.
QuoteI think
selective reading is like crack, it kills
As bad as talking out of your crack?
Dunno, let me know who that goes for ya.
Quote from: Sportmotor on April 23, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on April 23, 2010, 09:56:42 AM
Where did this "Jaguars have never won a home opener" thing come from? Seattle in 2005, Dallas in 2006, Pittsburgh in 1996 off the top of my head.
QuoteI think
selective reading is like crack, it kills
In one of the other Jaguar threads someone remarked that he or she could not remember the last time we won a home opener...just assumed it was becoming some kind of trend or urban legend...
In the 3rd round Jags pick another DT. D'Anthony Smith 6'2" 304 lb. from La Tech.
From CBS Sports:
03/21/2010 - PRO DAY RESULTS: In a draft loaded with elite defensive tackle prospects, don't forget Louisiana Tech's D'Anthony Smith. While not likely to go in the first round, Smith is generating significant interest from personnel evaluators. Defensive line coaches from the Vikings, Bengals, Saints, Rams and Ravens all came to watch Smith work out at Louisiana Tech's pro day on March 17. Smith responded to all of the attention with a solid performance. He ran the 40-yard dash in 5.01 and 5.08 seconds, had a 35 1/2-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot, 5-inch broad jump, a 4.58-second short shuttle, a 7.42-second three-cone drill and 30 bench press repetitions at 225 pounds. He did position drills for about an hour after the workout. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com
why the heck did we pick another defensive tackle? i just don't see how i can keep on trusting on gene smith here. this makes no sense when we have holes in other areas. geezus
Yeah like in defense.
Clearly Gene believes in line of scrimmage as a point of emphasis. IMO the order of importance in the NFL is QB, D line, O line then other skill positions.
Gene Smith has said over and over again that their philosophy on draft day is to take the best available player regardless of his position. They grade all of the players prior to the draft. Players who play a more premium position, such as quarterback, or a position of team need, such as safety, are going to end up having that factored into how the team grades them. Once the grading process is complete if Gene Smith sticks by his word, the Jaguars selection is quite easy, they look at who the highest rated guy they have left on their draft board is and take him. They have said in the past that if this results in taking 4 quarterbacks in one draft, they may end up doing that... it's just the nature of using a best available player philosophy.
The supposed benefits of this plan is that you are always getting the best talent you can, and too much talent at one position is a nice problem to have, whereas if you draft for "need" you may select a player who really isn't that great just because you supposedly need that position. (See 2003-2008 Jaguars Wide Receiver draft choices, and the 2008 Harvey and Groves selections).
Back when there was no roster size limits, Bear Bryant used to recruit kids to positions where he was already totally stocked. He had no intention of ever playing the kid much, but he just didn't want that player to end up going to Tennessee or Ole Miss and becoming an opponent. The BAP philosophy works the same way.. yeah, we may already have plenty of quarterbacks, but if we have the ability to take a franchise-type quarterback you take him so someone else doesn't have the chance.
Everybody griped and moaned last year when we couldn't pressure the quarterback or stop the run. Now we draft two guys the team believes will greatly improve that, and everyone gripes and moans..
I am not griping. I hope they are using best player available as their system if that is the case we are lucky as D Line is also our position(before the draft) of the biggest need. I am happy with the players so far. We may have been able to trade back and get the same guys but I am not going to fuss about that.
The Jags just traded their 4th round pick to the Raiders. Anyone know what they received in exchange?
Edit: Looks like it was a 5th round selection, plus Raider linebacker Kirk Morrison. He was expendable after the Raiders drafted McClain in the first round. I suppose that addresses the Jags' need at MLB.
http://www.raiders.com/team/roster/Kirk-Morrison/f5c046f4-ff60-4844-9292-e3054c74bc0b (http://www.raiders.com/team/roster/Kirk-Morrison/f5c046f4-ff60-4844-9292-e3054c74bc0b)
Kiper gives the Jags a D and the Broncos a C-.
Grades don't mean anything this early. You can't tell until the players play. As an example here is Kiper's report from last years draft:
Jacksonville Jaguars: GRADE: C+
I understand the Jaguars felt that offensive line was a need, but I felt picking Eben Britton that early in the second round was a reach, but not nearly as big of a reach as cornerback Derek Cox in the third round. The selections of Mike Thomas and Jarrett Dillard in the fourth and fifth rounds were good ones and I really like the seventh-round selections of Rashad Jennings and Tiquan Underwood. Honestly, the late-round selections are what saved the Jaguars' grade.
http://www.faniq.com/article/Mel-Kiper-Jr-2009-NFL-Draft-Team-Grades-1561200 (http://www.faniq.com/article/Mel-Kiper-Jr-2009-NFL-Draft-Team-Grades-1561200)
They actually pay these people to come up with this bs.
Quote from: JeffreyS on April 25, 2010, 02:09:21 PM
Kiper gives the Jags a D and the Broncos a C-.
that's ok...I give Kiper an F...the guy is an idiot
Oh I am not concerned with the grade. Jagfan07 makes a great point of how bad Kiper's jag grade was last year.
How about 2008.
Kiper gave the Jaguars a B grade.
Who is left on the team from that Draft?
Derrick Harvey, everyone else plays on another team.
Kiper also approaches everything from a blind need-based philosophy and frequently contradicts himself. E.g., when we took Alualu, in one breath he said we were reaching based on need, and in the next asked why we didn't take Graham, Thomas, or Pierre-Paul from one of our positions of need rather than taking another DT.