Marketplace at The Fountains Coming to East Arlington
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Anchored by a retail chain that will be new to Jacksonville, a long delayed shopping center will soon rise at the intersection of Atlantic and Kernan Boulevards.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2010-apr-marketplace-at-the-fountains-coming-to-east-arlington
that's a great looking development...exactly what you'd expect to see next to a flyover intersection!
another strip mall
yay, more sprawl and characterless development!
I wonder what can be done at a public level to change this style of strip mall development to resemble something like this?
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This is what a typical strip mall can resemble when laid out on the site in a manner that also promotes alternative methods of travel.
nothing can be done, this is jacksonville home of the strip mall
There is no such thing as "nothing can be done".
Lake, where is that picture from? I see a Barnie's in the background!
Baldwin Park in Orlando.
When I was in town recently, I walked around Memorial Park and Five Points one weeknight evening.
The street level retail at the old doctor's office site, and the retail across the street at the Sembler Publix
really compliment each other, and you have a great connecting sequencef rom the park/river/Park Lane
to Five Points. The area was hopping.
Ah, Baldwin Park, the perfect redevelopment of a military site. Definetly the polar opposite of Cecil Field.
I would contend that Orlando's Naval Training Center was redeveloped in a way that fit the surroundings....remember it is next to Winter Park....
The same could be said for Cecil...it isn't necessarily the right place for a "new town", but could be perfect for an industrial/employment center given its access/proximity to I-10 (and the future Outer Beltway)
Its all a lack of imagination... Maybe someone would like to help me develop an idea for a strip mall photo essay?
Am I correct in thinking this development is named after retention ponds??
1661 Riverside and the Publix shopping center are constantly cited as being progressive and successful developments, but their layout and densities are yet to be replicated in Jax (Tapestry Park maybe). Why has this trend not caught on? East San Marco offered something similar, but it's delayed.
I may move to riverside next year simply because of the conveniences those two developments provide. I can't say that about any other shopping centers in town.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on April 13, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
Am I correct in thinking this development is named after retention ponds??
1661 Riverside and the Publix shopping center are constantly cited as being progressive and successful developments, but their layout and densities are yet to be replicated in Jax (Tapestry Park maybe). Why has this trend not caught on? East San Marco offered something similar, but it's delayed.
I may move to riverside next year simply because of the conveniences those two developments provide. I can't say that about any other shopping centers in town.
You could always park an RV in the River City Market Place parking lot, and you would be all set.
The trend has not caught on because the current zoing code restricts a lot of it and there's no financial incentive from the development industry to change from the current structure.
Wow. That's awesome. A strip mall with a huge parking lot in front. A design masterpiece.
it's so innovative. why has no one ever thought of it before?
Walmart on 103rd is more dense than this development.
"The Marketplace at The Fountains"? Could they have come up with a stupider name?
"You could always park an RV in the River City Market Place parking lot, and you would be all set."
That is hilarious....
But you better not walk outside or you'll be hit by a car in RCMP's many four lane highways.....
Quote from: avonjax on April 13, 2010, 01:18:43 PM
"You could always park an RV in the River City Market Place parking lot, and you would be all set."
That is hilarious....
But you better not walk outside or you'll be hit by a car in RCMP's many four lane highways.....
My favorite part are the 4 lanes with the 4 way stop signs. Not nearly enough people understand this complex traffic device!
This looks horrible. Those "Better Jacksonville" overpasses really do kill the character of the city. I hope no more are built!
Words just can't express how grateful I am to the developers for bringing this wonderful "marketplace" to E. Arlington. How can we ever thank them enough for their magnanimous contribution to the citizens of Jacksonville? I mean, just when we thought there was enough of a surplus of underutilized strip centers that will be blighted inside of 20 years, along comes another one like manna from heaven! Why, everything from the huge cesspools, er, retention ponds, to the acres of petroleum-based asphalt are an environmental pillager's dream! And this project shouldn't generate more than several thousand additional vehicular trips through the intersection of Atlantic and Kernan, which already is the worst in the City, so certainly that is nothing to worry about, is it? After all, who couldn't use a little more noise, additional time in stand-still traffic and an increase in accidents? And who liked the thousands of pine trees that once stood on this site, what with their icky pollen, sap and shedding needles and their protective environment for all kinds of disgusting furry and feathered creatures? I say that we should encourage the developers to build more and more projects just like this one anywhere and everywhere they can so that one day their dream of completely paving over Jacksonville can be realized (except for their estates on the river, of course).
couldn't they just put in some more parking and not waste all that space with buildings.
Honestly, why the f*ck do we need another strip center when there is vacant space all over the place? Couldn't Academy just have moved into one of the spaces by the Target on Southside?
Depressing.
Just like the development being encouraged by the City at Youngerman Circle/Collins Road and I-295/Blanding. Jax just loves its strip centers, even in the midst of a retail glut. Wherever there is a "green spot", we know just what to squeeze in. Especially around two of the busiest intersections in Jax. Pile on the traffic.
It would appear, given the number of Sleiman centers, that he is at the point of cannibalizing his own tenants, but no matter. Build, baby, build.From the MJ thread at: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,7819.0.html :Quote
Private developer will build road if city lets him construct shopping centers near Interstate 295 and Collins Road
The project to connect two busy roads is only partially funded.
* By Larry Hannan
* Story updated at 1:15 AM on Tuesday, Mar. 9, 2010
A four-lane road that would connect Youngerman Circle to Collins Road may end up being partially built by a private developer.
Under a plan going to the Jacksonville City Council today, developer Thomas Dumas would help build Parramore Road - currently a two-lane dirt road - and then build two shopping centers nearby.
The plan concerns the Council Auditor's Office, which objects to Dumas only building a portion of the roadway, for $4.7 million. The rest, which would connect to Youngerman Circle and is expected to cost $2.1 million, is unfunded.
Councilman Daniel Davis said the council, at today's meeting, will try to figure out a way to find the extra money.
Under the proposed agreement, Dumas would build Parramore from Collins Road south to where one of his developments will end. In return, Dumas would be allowed to build a 285,000-square-foot shopping center on 41 acres of land south of Collins Road and a 150,000-square-foot shopping center on 13 acres of land north of Collins Road, between Interstate 295 and Rampart Road.
The city also would pay the developer $375,000 to settle an eminent domain lawsuit over the land and waive about $4.4 million in fair-share money - meant to pay for infrastructure work - the developer would normally have to pay for building permits to build the shopping centers.
Auditor Kirk Sherman said the roadway construction would not offset the extra traffic that would be on Parramore and Collins if the road doesn't go to Youngerman Circle. Building the entire road would ease his concerns.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-03-09/story/private_developer_will_build_road_if_city_lets_him_construct_shopping_ce
Too bad all of that didn't go into the Regency area. I guess this sprawling development will continue until all of the land is gobbled up and then people will start building vertically? The city needs an ordinance to promote existing building reuse and discourage this sprawling development.
Quote from: reednavy on April 13, 2010, 09:20:47 AM
There is no such thing as "nothing can be done".
You must be new here.
But perhaps the greater truism is that NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Not here.
Quote from: choosing2disappear on April 13, 2010, 08:58:59 PM
You must be new here.
But perhaps the greater truism is that NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Not here.
Must be new here, I've been on here since 2007.
Oh yeah, and great optimism by the way. It is pesimistic idiots like you that are a contributing factor to this city's spinning in place.
Quote from: TheProfessor on April 13, 2010, 07:37:05 PM
I guess this sprawling development will continue until all of the land is gobbled up and then people will start building vertically?
that has pretty much been the pattern throughout the U.S....just look at LA and Miami....cities formerly known for sprawl that are now in fact two of the most dense cities in the country...it all changed when undeveloped land became hard to find.
Quote from: reednavy on April 13, 2010, 09:13:31 PM
Quote from: choosing2disappear on April 13, 2010, 08:58:59 PM
You must be new here.
But perhaps the greater truism is that NOTHING WILL BE DONE. Not here.
Must be new here, I've been on here since 2007.
Oh yeah, and great optimism by the way. It is pesimistic idiots like you that are a contributing factor to this city's spinning in place.
My friend, welcome. If your the optimistic sort, good for you, but you're in the wrong town. We don't take kindly to optimism round these parts. Once you've gotten comfortable, start sniffing around for the true history of the bold new city of the south. Then once you know the truth, once you're in full possession of the facts, you'll be scared straight. Believe it. It's easy to be optimistic if you've just shown up, but I applaud your effort to smokescreen reality in favor of......uh... optimism. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you.
With the demolition of the Lerner building last summer, I feel I passed some sort of tipping point, mentally. Ever since I first laid eyes on it, I thought of it as a little gem, and how lucky it was for us to have had the thing survive for so long, as though it was hibernating, just waiting to be occupied once again. I had dreams about what I would do with it (or what anyone would do with it). Never, never, never, ever did I think that things would end the way they did, even in this city. So I started adding up all (perceived) blunders and all the small victories (and not only in the fields that are my priorities) and the resulting equation left me feeling quite hopeless (in many respects)about the future. I feel like "the battle" wasn't just lost, but lost awhile ago. I understand that "things change" and all cities experience lost and bafflingly stupid leadership from time to time, but both at once? And seemingly in perpetuity? It feels like some sort of cosmic joke.
Quote from: choosing2disappear on April 14, 2010, 09:05:07 AM
And seemingly in perpetuity?
That's the heartbreak of it all.
This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier post. We can make it an environmental issue. a huge portion of land was cleared away to build this pitiful thing. Maybe future sprawl can be stopped in the name of protecting the environment. There are plenty of empty buildings around town that can be renovated and revitalized, there are also economic reasons as to why these projects are bad for Jacksonville. We can keep the sprawl that we have, we just shouldn't clear away anymore land for future sprawl.
There are so many empty Bldg's downtown it is not funny! Instead of plowing the older ones down, we should be trying to renovate and reuse! Tax incentives are just paper that is moved here and there but there is substance to that incentive..............so I would have to ask - Why is it just coperations, like Vescor, get those kinds of inticements? Why are they able to get low cost loans from the City while small business's have to scrape by? The playing field needs to be level for all to have a chance to expand and go beyond a mom and pop operation!
^^^amen
and the Kernan FOUNTAINS!
bwahahahaha
I puke.