2009 Metropolitan Area Census Estimates Released
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The latest U.S. Census metropolitan area population estimates for the U.S. and Puerto Rico as of July 2009 have been released. Find out where Jacksonville ranks.
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I wish we were growing a little faster than we were, especially in Duval County. We have a lot of apartments and new houses to fill.
Not bad, but we're never going to catch the Austin MSA, they're still booming.
Most surprising to me is that the New Orleans MSA has nearly recovered from Katrina, which is a very good thing. It is one of those areas where a city shouldn't be, but also should be.
After spending the morning in DT Mobile, I plan to head over to New Orleans for a few days. So expect a few new "Elements of Urbanism" articles in the upcoming weeks.
Try a story on the gambling industry in Biloxi and Gulfport to see how it can be done here or what not and see how well they've recovered.
That's a terrific picture at the top of the article.
Interesting to note that our state capital is nowhere to be found on the Metropolitan area ratings list.
Also note that the areas below Jacksonville are all less than 50% of the Jax metro population. Kind of a dramatic jump.
The ones that hurt are that Nashville is still pulling away and Memphis is neck & neck.
I'm also amazed to see Charlotte jump ahead of Indy.
Quote from: Overstreet on April 05, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Interesting to note that our state capital is nowhere to be found on the Metropolitan area ratings list.
Tallahasee metro has about 300,000 people...so it doesn't make the Top 100 list
How about Atlanta taking on an additional 1 million+ in a decade!
Quote from: reednavy on April 05, 2010, 08:22:40 AM
Try a story on the gambling industry in Biloxi and Gulfport to see how it can be done here or what not and see how well they've recovered.
If you do make it to Biloxi Try and get some photos of the devastation that is still there from hurricane Katrina HW 90 along the coast looks OK but go inland about 3 streets and you will find open fields that use to be filled with houses. It looks like less than 10% have been rebuilt.
No real surprises. If current trends hold, in 2018 we will be 50k behind Milwaukee and 47K behind Providence, RI. Austin, Nashville, and Charlotte are taking off. We should have been on that wagon, but we missed it.
I would be interested to see population by state, TX looks like it has grown immensely.
Quote from: Overstreet on April 05, 2010, 09:25:43 AM
Interesting to note that our state capital is nowhere to be found on the Metropolitan area ratings list.
Tallahassee is #140 - the full list can be seen by clicking on the wikipedia link below the wikipedia screenshot.
We should be more focused on quality of life rather than population numbers. Have QOL and population growth will follow. Not the other way around.
If all it took was to have lot of people, then big cities would always grow faster and smaller ones would always decline and that is clearly not true. Actually, part of what is masked by these numbers is that the "metropolitan areas" that are counted here are incorporating many smaller cities by envelopment.
Still relatively slow growth in our neck of the woods. Something catastrophic has to happen from below Gainesville south in order for us to again be numero uno (hope that never happens). Anyhoo, 40th metro is not bad; where do we place in the city population race? Are we in the top 10?
"HU"
stjr, I agree with your argument.
More people would hopefully indicate a larger tax base to put towards QOL projects. Not necessarrily metro population, but city population. QOL brings growth, not the other way around, but we do want our pop to go up!
Quote from: heights unknown on April 05, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
Still relatively slow growth in our neck of the woods. Something catastrophic has to happen from below Gainesville south in order for us to again be numero uno (hope that never happens). Anyhoo, 40th metro is not bad; where do we place in the city population race? Are we in the top 10?
"HU"
I haven't seen it but I doubt Jax has yet passed #12.
Quote from: heights unknown on April 05, 2010, 01:01:56 PM
Still relatively slow growth in our neck of the woods.
18% over 9 years is slow growth?
Compared to other cities nationwide and other metro areas in the State, yes. In and of itself and singularly relative to Jax alone, it is gracious steady growth. We are a "slow growth" city and metro area; but maybe that's a good thing. Don't want to become an instant "waste fart."
"HU"
QuoteWe are a "slow growth" city and metro area; but maybe that's a good thing. Don't want to become an instant "waste fart."
In no way, and by no measure, is the Jacksonville MSA remotely "slow growth." 18.5% is "fast growth." To put this another way, y'all absorbed around 20% more population in a decade. That's pretty huge. That you're starting from a smaller population base to begin with just makes it all the more challenging.
The Atlanta number is astonishing.
Heights....of the 49 other metros in the Top 50, only 13 grew at a faster rate than Jax.
As for the state, only Orlando was higher (27%)...Tampa Bay (15%) and SE Florida (11%) were both lower.
Quote from: heights unknown on April 05, 2010, 02:08:27 PM
Compared to other cities nationwide and other metro areas in the State, yes.
Heights....of the 49 other metros in the Top 50, only 13 grew at a faster rate than Jax.
As for the state, only Orlando was higher (27%)...Tampa Bay (15%) and SE Florida (11%) were both lower.
Quote from: stjr on April 05, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
We should be more focused on quality of life rather than population numbers. Have QOL and population growth will follow.
Well no shit.
Honestly though, it is interesting to see the overall numbers and comapre to peer cities and such.
Atlanta can keep adding people into a metro that has nearly no descent mass transit outside of Fulton and a sliver of De Kalb Counties. Descent as in commuter or light rail, buses are your only option if you're too far from a MARTA station.
But the Orlando region will have HSR.......so that should help right? Atleast Ratville will be able to move them faster in and out!!
Quote from: CS Foltz on April 05, 2010, 04:00:38 PM
But the Orlando region will have HSR.......so that should help right? Atleast Ratville will be able to move them faster in and out!!
well CS...Orlando also has a regional bus system (Lynx) and soon will have commuter rail too.
Quote from: tufsu1 on April 05, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
Heights....of the 49 other metros in the Top 50, only 13 grew at a faster rate than Jax.
As for the state, only Orlando was higher (27%)...Tampa Bay (15%) and SE Florida (11%) were both lower.
O.K. - I feel you and give in; maybe you're right, but those numbers are still not that astonishing and are at a smaller level compared to other cities/metros.
I like the term 'waste fart.' Orlando and Los Angeles both come to mind.
population is not important?? lol @ QOL.....i hope jax can break the top 20 one day.
QuoteQuoteHeights....of the 49 other metros in the Top 50, only 13 grew at a faster rate than Jax.
As for the state, only Orlando was higher (27%)...Tampa Bay (15%) and SE Florida (11%) were both lower.
O.K. - I feel you and give in; maybe you're right, but those numbers are still not that astonishing and are at a smaller level compared to other cities/metros.
Politely don't agree. Almost all of Florida's MSA growth numbers were astonishing. South Florida, for example, took an already populated area and added about 500,000 new residents. That's around 50,000 new people a
year. That Jacksonville's MSA "only" added about 20,000 new peeps a year over the last ten years is no less astonishing.
Still, it's the Atlanta, Dallas and Phoenix growth numbers that utterly wow me. They added a million people to their population base, and more so in the case of Dallas.
Overly rapid growth usually equates to under or poorly planned growth. Lot's of planning train wreck stories from super hot growth areas.
I'll take measured, digestible growth anytime. Good things take time and should be patiently savored. Jax should age like fine wine, not sour overnight like milk left out for too long! ;)
Question is how many of these people will stay in these "expanding cities".
Most of that growth happened during "golden times" and most of these cities had companies involved in mortgage/banking industry which is hurting now,not to mention lot of building etc.
Some of those people might move into cheaper areas now that is harder to find job or live on less money.
Bos...much of that adjustment has already occurred...growth in Miami, Tampa, Orlando, and even Jax. slowed significantly in 2008 and 2009....and some other places have actually seen population decline over the last 2 years....on the other hand, places like Texas are booming because they still have jobs.
Reality didn't set in yet.most people are still receiving unemployment checks and will stay in same area until that runs out.then you have to find job and make for living and then they will act.
We are talking in next 3-5 years things will change.
Bos, why would you think an unemployed person would want to move to a smaller town? Sure home prices might be cheaper, but if there are no jobs in a small town, you couldn't pay for it anyway. people will just shuffle around larger cities to find jobs, I don't see people moving out of the "expanding" or already expanded cities any time soon.
QuoteBos, why would you think an unemployed person would want to move to a smaller town? Sure home prices might be cheaper, but if there are no jobs in a small town, you couldn't pay for it anyway. people will just shuffle around larger cities to find jobs, I don't see people moving out of the "expanding" or already expanded cities any time soon.
Totally agree, but with a caveat. Those cities need to have a diversified employment base to continue their growth. But most, if not all of the top ten MSAs have hit a level of critical mass, and most, if not all, have worked to establish a diversified economy. To put this another way, New York City's MSA may be growing at a lower percentage rate now than it did in the past, but it's New York. People are still moving there, and still want to move there and will still want to move there in the future. Because they built a great city there. It's expensive and hard, but it has a lot of jobs, a lot of opportunity, and a lot of intangibles associated with metro living.
QuoteOverly rapid growth usually equates to under or poorly planned growth. Lot's of planning train wreck stories from super hot growth areas.
I'll take measured, digestible growth anytime. Good things take time and should be patiently savored. Jax should age like fine wine, not sour overnight like milk left out for too long!
Agreed. However, there's something to be said for rapid growth. It produces possibilities along with problems. Atlanta, for example, wouldn't be considering a light rail "inner ring," without absorbing a million new people. That area, while still slave to the car, has made great strides in creating pockets of urbanism. And more people means more ideas and, selfishly for me, more shopping!