This is just wrong. No one should be allowed to use the death of one of our service member to further there agenda no matter what it is !
http://www.sunherald.com/2010/03/08/2008717/court-to-rule-in-military-funeral.html
I agree with your first statement but disagree with your second. I find the opinions and actions of Rev. Phelps and his followers to be wrong, disrespectful of others and repulsive. However I think it's a bad thing for government to shut people up no matter how offensive their views are or how they express themselves. These protesters do more damage to their cause by the methods they use than could be done by locking them up.
I also find it disgusting and disrespectful and IMO, the furthest from what Christianity is all about. These sick bastards know they have our constitution protecting their right to protest, just as the KKK have marches or gatherings. I personally find that behavior and mindset sickening, but that's what this country is based upon, and freedom of speech is part of it.
Trust me, these sickos never get close enough to the families of our fallen heroes, there's the Patriot Guard Riders, the Rolling Thunder and other groups that ensure that the families are well protected and shielded from such hateful and IMO, un-Godly words.
If god hates fags so much I wonder what he thinks of a group of inbreed, screw loose lawyers....
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on March 13, 2010, 05:28:28 PM
I agree with your first statement but disagree with your second. I find the opinions and actions of Rev. Phelps and his followers to be wrong, disrespectful of others and repulsive. However I think it's a bad thing for government to shut people up no matter how offensive their views are or how they express themselves. These protesters do more damage to their cause by the methods they use than could be done by locking them up.
People have the right to assemble in public funerals are private. They have plenty of opportunity to express their views in our society and should not be denied that. The right to express your views does not mean that someone else can'thave an event that is not about expressing your views.
I agree Jeffery... Their right to protest would not be curtailed. They could protest just as easily in some other place. Private occasions and venues can and should exclude these people.
Gonna go with the unpopular stance here and say that so long as they were on public property, not inciting violence and not defacing or destroying public or private property, they have the right to protest as they wish.
They are misinterpreting scriptures IMO, and making a spectacle of themselves. (in the worst possible way)
Jesus was a radical. He protested against the self righteous for the sake of the sinner. These folks seem to miss that plain and simple truth.
As both an old hippie and a disabled veteran, I'd suggest allowing them to invoke the same law of protection afforded the abortion clinics, where the protesters are widely separated from their intended victims.
Either that of just shoot the cowardly bastards, whichever comes first!
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: JeffreySPeople have the right to assemble in public funerals are private. They have plenty of opportunity to express their views in our society and should not be denied that. The right to express your views does not mean that someone else can'thave an event that is not about expressing your views.
The funeral service is private, but these morons aren't attending the service, they stand outside with their signs of hatred and words that go against the very God they profess to speak on behalf of.
As I said, the problem is, they know the law and are well within it. They generally stand across the street from where the funeral is being held. So they are not violating the law or trespassing on private property. The good part is, most times they never show up, but they sure did get their hateful message out...and that's what they're after.
There have been protests here in Jax on atleast 2 of my friend's service.
They push the limit of people's tolerance of them, we all nearly came to fists one occassion, the police sided with us, and admited the presence of them was for the safty of those dooshbags.
I have no problem with someone dissagreeing with me, or the war. Dont come into a funeral were people are in morning and are dealing with the loss of a loved one and come screaming hatefull messages and blantly trying to start something. It doesnt help there argument
Id personally like to skin every single one of those people alive, very slowly.
I totally agree about these morons, and as a Patriot Guard Riders, I've dealt with them. I just feel that hateful people like that will ultimately pay for what they do and say to innocent people such as the family and friends who are suffering the loss of a loved one.
Quote from: Sportmotor on March 14, 2010, 07:29:30 PM
There have been protests here in Jax on atleast 2 of my friend's service.
They push the limit of people's tolerance of them, we all nearly came to fists one occassion, the police sided with us, and admited the presence of them was for the safty of those dooshbags.
I have no problem with someone dissagreeing with me, or the war. Dont come into a funeral were people are in morning and are dealing with the loss of a loved one and come screaming hatefull messages and blantly trying to start something. It doesnt help there argument
Id personally like to skin every single one of those people alive, very slowly.
I'm not sure I would go so far as to skin anyone alive, but I agree that serious confrontation is in order.
Quote from: buckethead on March 14, 2010, 08:12:45 PM
I'm not sure I would go so far as to skin anyone alive, but I agree that serious confrontation is in order.
Lose a friend and have his mother in your arms in tears when these people come and shout nothing but hate and disrespect to her, her son, and the rest of the family.
The urge to inflict as much pain possible upon those people is near blinding.
Understandable.
Karma is a powerful thing.
The link to the article seems to be dead.
I think I get the basics of what was going on though. As a Christian I've been taught to love everyone for whom they are regardless of their beliefs and choices as we are ALL sinners and all make bad choices and mistakes. I think the proper thing to have done would be to pray for the families. There is nothing wrong with spreading the word of God, but protesting with a negative message in the name of God is not a good way to make your point.
As far as the right to protest in a peaceful manner, it is allowed by the Constitution and should remain so.
Quote from: braeburn on March 15, 2010, 02:49:05 AM
Karma is a powerful thing.
so is a 155grain TAP bullet at about 1100 feet per second :D
Well look whose coming to Jacksonville... straight from their website:
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5/01/2010 6:45 PM - 7:30 PM Jacksonville, FL
Douglas Anderson School of the Arts 2445 San Diego Road WBC to picket yet another of your goofy Laramie Project farces. The Laramie Project is a tacky attempt to teach the youth of this nation that it's okay to by gay. Shame on you!!! Matthew Shepard's death doesn't change the standards put forth by God. It never has been and never will be okay to be gay. Shepard was killed by another fag over drugs and money. It has nothing to do with him being a fag. Shame on you simpletons. america is DOOMED. Wake up - Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. The return of the Lord Jesus Christ is a hand and you earthdwellers continue to worship at the feet of the fags! Antichrist, Beast Obama is going to demand (shortly now) that you kill children, elderly, infirmed on demand, and you brutish Floridians will LOVE THAT! You have no moral standing. Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Praise God for those easy-to-be-understood set of facts. AMEN!
There is also a local group on Facebook coming together to demonstrate against them.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=379731298448&ref=nf (http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=379731298448&ref=nf)
Personally I would love to see every citizen of Jacksonville completely avoid this area May 1st... let them spend all the money and time to travel here and get zero attention from no one passing bye.
This is a predominately Southern Baptist town with the old ways still strong.
They don't bother me as much as the military funeral protesters. I laugh at these people saying "God Hates Fags" as they go against the very idea of Christianity. The irony of these people is delicious, and I wouldn't even waist an effort of a breath to even sigh at them.
I just smile and look better, make more, am happier, and am truly more loved then these peons ever hope to. 8)
Edit: ^ OK that was my daily allotment of being a sexy sexy conceded bastard ^ :D
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http://www.youtube.com/v/OFkeKKszXTw&hl
This is the same group that protests military funerals....
Then I hope a 18-wheeler skids and rolls hiting them all
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BALTIMORE - The father of a Marine killed in Iraq and whose funeral was picketed by anti-gay protesters from Kansas was ordered to pay the protesters' appeal costs, his lawyers said Monday.
On Friday, Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit ordered Snyder to pay $16,510 to Fred Phelps. Phelps is the leader of Topeka's Westboro Baptist Church, which conducted protests at Marine Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder's funeral in 2006.
The two-page decision supplied by attorneys for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., offered no details on how the court came to its decision.
Attorneys also said Snyder is struggling to come up with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court.
The decision adds "insult to injury," said Sean Summers, one of Snyder's lawyers.
The high court agreed to consider whether the protesters' message is protected by the First Amendment or limited by the competing privacy and religious rights of the mourners.
Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2010/03/29/1246609/marines-dad-ordered-to-pay-protesters.html#ixzz0jgSBs3XK
A little history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_baptist
That is why you kill those people, not wound.
QuoteWhatever righteous cause the Jewish victims of the 1930sâ€"40s Nazi Holocaust had, (probably minuscule, compared to the Jewish Holocausts against Middle Passage Blacks, African Americans and Christiansâ€"including the bloody persecution of Westboro Baptist Church by Topeka Jews in the 1990s), has been drowned in sodomite semen. American taxpayers are financing this unholy monument to Jewish mendacity and greed and to filthy fag lust. Homosexuals and Jews dominated Nazi Germany . . . The Jews now wander the earth despised, smitten with moral and spiritual blindness by a divine judicial stroke . . . And God has smitten Jews with a certain unique madness . . . Jews, thus perverted, out of all proportion to their numbers energize the militant sodomite agenda… Jews are the real Nazis.
Well this sort of puts it all in prospective, this guy and his minions are about as Baptist as the Pope. Looks to me as someone who grew up mostly in Independent Baptist Churches, another cult of pseudo-Nazi nuts, desperately trying to get their name in your newspaper. Such attention empowers them to continue their downward spiral. In their own little way, these groups usually degenerate to the point of staging their own version of kristallnacht, followed by REAL storm troopers (FBI-ATF-SWAT etc) bashing down their door in a bloody massacre. Once this happens they get one or two last headlines, albeit Epitaphs...
Well when it happens, a big Ocklawaha Woopie Freaking do! As we say in Colombia when the trash bites the street, "ONE LESS BISCUIT!"
OCKLAWAHA
They shoot mad dogs don't they?
And Ock, what is the origin of "biscuit" or is it a slang term for cow pie? En Espanol, Por Favor.
Bill Oreilly pays fine for Snyder family. You have to respect that.
http://davidbellavia.com/new/2010/bill-oreilly-pays-fine-for-snyder-family-against-westboro-church/
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 31, 2010, 08:53:11 AM
They shoot mad dogs don't they?
And Ock, what is the origin of "biscuit" or is it a slang term for cow pie? En Espanol, Por Favor.
That's my best "redneck" translation. Actually it's, "un arepa menos." Since no one in Jacksonville probably knows what an arepa is, I corrupted it into biscuit. (BTW, it is a fine white corn meal cake, m/l the thickness of a hamburger patty, tender, cooked over a cedar wood fire for best effect. Can also be slit and filled with ham and eggs then deep fried)
Sort of a Colombian way of saying "Oh well, one less idiot to feed!" I first heard this from a policeman back in the bad old days of 1982. I had just entered a downtown building, closed the metal door, and was at the officers kiosk to check in and go upstairs when someone cut loose with a machine gun outside the door. The cop was still reading the comic's and got up, laid down his paper, walked over and opened the door, he then shut the door, shrugged and said, "Un arepa menos!" I then learned the fine art of stepping over "the resuscitated cockroaches of Colombia," (as they called the cartels). OCKLAWAHA