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posted on myspringfield.org by FSU813 regarding last night's meeting:

http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2215#p2215

QuoteGood crowd last night. Almost 20 people.

Some mmental notes of Brent Staton's & Metro North's presentation for those who weren't there...


- Brent has been in the area a long. Been involved with Spar in one fashion or another for about 30 years, and with an incarnation of Samba for about 20 years.

- history is important in Springfield, and on Main Street. Being aware of the area's history is valuable. Tieing that in with business is a good idea.

- the business / community relationship is important. not all types of business work in the neighborhood, or are good for the neighborhood. the community has to support the local business and the business has to support the community. having good overall relationship with the community is key.

- networking and establishing relationships with other businesses in the neighborhood is very important. businesses supporting other businesses in the area is very important.

- money is available for small business borrowing, you just have to know where to look. however, in the absence of avaialble funds, people can often provide a substitute. An example was given about money for beautifing a sidewalk not being available, so the community did it instead, with great results.

- Metro North has learned how to make do with less.

- Ron, the Exec Dir of Metro North, mentioned how they found that the # of homeowners was important in revitalizing commerical areas & communities in general, and that renters didn't have the same impact.

- Brent emphasized that a business must know thier audience inside and out to best serve them.

- As a commerical corridor and community, long term planning is vital.

Now, I was at this meeting as well as 19 others.  Were the bold statements said?  Or even implied?  I had thought just the opposite point was made.  And it is an important point that Brent was trying to make.  To misrepresent his words and put them out to the community, as a SAMBA board member, doesn't seem kosher.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Quote from: sheclown on March 12, 2010, 09:33:33 PM
posted on myspringfield.org by FSU813 regarding last night's meeting:

http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2215#p2215

QuoteGood crowd last night. Almost 20 people.

Some mmental notes of Brent Staton's & Metro North's presentation for those who weren't there...


- Brent has been in the area a long. Been involved with Spar in one fashion or another for about 30 years, and with an incarnation of Samba for about 20 years.

- history is important in Springfield, and on Main Street. Being aware of the area's history is valuable. Tieing that in with business is a good idea.

- the business / community relationship is important. not all types of business work in the neighborhood, or are good for the neighborhood. the community has to support the local business and the business has to support the community. having good overall relationship with the community is key.

- networking and establishing relationships with other businesses in the neighborhood is very important. businesses supporting other businesses in the area is very important.

- money is available for small business borrowing, you just have to know where to look. however, in the absence of avaialble funds, people can often provide a substitute. An example was given about money for beautifing a sidewalk not being available, so the community did it instead, with great results.

- Metro North has learned how to make do with less.

- Ron, the Exec Dir of Metro North, mentioned how they found that the # of homeowners was important in revitalizing commerical areas & communities in general, and that renters didn't have the same impact.

- Brent emphasized that a business must know thier audience inside and out to best serve them.

- As a commerical corridor and community, long term planning is vital.

Now, I was at this meeting as well as 19 others.  Were the bold statements said?  Or even implied?  I had thought just the opposite point was made.  And it is an important point that Brent was trying to make.  To misrepresent his words and put them out to the community, as a SAMBA board member, doesn't seem kosher.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I have offered numerous times to offer my services as a court reporter and would make a word for word transcript of any SPAR, SAMBA, or Women's Club meeting if wanted.  Nobody seemed interested.

I said before that I thought it was a GREAT idea.  Still do. 

Quote from: sheclown on March 12, 2010, 09:36:43 PM
I said before that I thought it was a GREAT idea.  Still do. 

My apologies, I guess I didn't see that one.  Well, you are in a minority then. I think it would clear up a bunch of "he didn't say that, or he did say that".

^Good idea. If you're willing to volunteer your time like the rest participating in these groups do, go ahead and do it.  I can't imagine someone stopping you.

Quote from: thelakelander on March 12, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
^Good idea. If you're willing to volunteer your time like the rest participating in these groups do, go ahead and do it.  I can't imagine someone stopping you.

I don't mind at all, I will say that I do have a very busy schedule and that I won't be able to come to all, so I don't want people thinking I pick and choose any meeting over another.  It will simply be pure availability.  If there is one specifically that someone would want covered, if I could get as much notice in advance as possible, I can try to get my schedule open for that.  I do work nights doing closed captioning at Comcast and that is what pays the bills, so that has to come first.  I would certify all transcripts, so there would be nothing left out and nothing added that wasn't said.  I could start a thread of meeting transcripts as well, so people could check from time to time for anything new.

This would be an official transcript, not a blog.  No opinions will be involved.

Quote from: Hypocrite on March 12, 2010, 10:13:21 PM

Quote from: thelakelander on March 12, 2010, 09:52:36 PM
^Good idea. If you're willing to volunteer your time like the rest participating in these groups do, go ahead and do it.  I can't imagine someone stopping you.

I don't mind at all, I will say that I do have a very busy schedule and that I won't be able to come to all, so I don't want people thinking I pick and choose any meeting over another.  It will simply be pure availability.  If there is one specifically that someone would want covered, if I could get as much notice in advance as possible, I can try to get my schedule open for that.  I do work nights doing closed captioning at Comcast and that is what pays the bills, so that has to come first.  I would certify all transcripts, so there would be nothing left out and nothing added that wasn't said.  I could start a thread of meeting transcripts as well, so people could check from time to time for anything new.

This would be an official transcript, not a blog.  No opinions will be involved.

seriously, now what fun would there be in that.  please, do not pollute these threads with facts.

Quotenot all types of business work in the neighborhood, or are good for the neighborhood.

I was at the meeting and do not remember him saying this. I do believe he was making the opposite point. He mentioned several times to get out and support your local businesses even if they aren't your favorite.

Gloria,

PMing me directly or contacting the speaker would seem like the most appropriate avenue if you felt I misunderstood something. Or addressing the question to me.

Instead, in your judegment, suggesting that I am purposely lying about something was more appropriate.

I spoke to one other in attedance and Mr. Staton directly to see if I may have misunderstood something. However, they both confirmed that Mr. Staton said that not all businesses are a good fit for the neighborhood, and the rest of summary as well. I don't feel there is anything contraversial about that statement, as I assume he was referring to the overlay, but I suppose you have your own point of view.

In the future, I suggest contacting me if you feel I may have misunderstood something, privately or publically. Or contacting the speaker. Or being in the room for the entire presentation. Or all of the above.


Thanks.

Quote from: Lunican on March 14, 2010, 04:49:03 PM

Quotenot all types of business work in the neighborhood, or are good for the neighborhood.

I was at the meeting and do not remember him saying this. I do believe he was making the opposite point. He mentioned several times to get out and support your local businesses even if they aren't your favorite.

Bill, I'll do as I please.

 FSU813, I spoke with Mr. Staton  just the other day and he re-enforced the idea that all business are important.  We both agreed that it was too bad a couple of pawn shops had closed in the last couple of years as they helped to generate walking traffic on Main Street, something that is pretty much lacking right now.  And pawn shops are indeed "blacklisted" by the overlay.

By the way, Sheclown (note the use of the screen name, Bill) had to leave for a time, but I was there when she wasn’t and several others have either posted here or PM’d us about this issue and are wondering where that statement came from themselves.  

Mr. Stanton may have said something that you construed to mean your comment and let's face it, there are a couple of businesses that I can think of that would truly be bad for the neighborhood, like a steel mill or a blast furnace, but for the most part, the vast majority of businesses, whether “everyone” likes them, or not, should be welcomed and supported in some fashion. And, please notice, originally you said "not good for the neighborhood" and the last time you said "not a good fit for the neighborhood", a bit of a different thing and the latter is something actually determined by the perspective owners of the new business and eventually, the market itself.

^after all, I am free, bonkers, and 21.   ;D

Unfortunately, I could not make it the other night but I have spoken with Brent on numerous occasions, while involved with SAMBA, about the corridor.  From personal conversation, I do know that he is a proponent of the most controversial business planned for the area........the car wash at 4th & Main. 

Btw, I do believe that "all" businesses are not a good fit for the corridor.  Places like adult bookstores, strip clubs and brothels are definitely bad fits.  Fortunately, the zoning code does not allow these types of uses under any circumstances.

^ I don't think anyone thought these types were being referenced, Lake.

An important point he made was that the community had to get together and stand united for anything of substance to be accomplished. 

sheclown............has the trash issue on Main Street been addressed by SPAR? I got a PM from Amanda  saying that would be discussed at the next SPAR Meeting and was curious if something had come out of that? By the way, I am all for any neighborhood taking it upon themselves to address an issue that the City will not get involved in.............whatever it is!

no.  same trash still in the trash cans spilling on to the sidewalk and tumbling down the street.

^ Perhaps the main street merchants could address it?

I do, every day. 

I do need to call consistently. 

The trash cans are the main problem.  There are just those large concrete containers without cans inside or covers on top of them.  It would be better to not have anything than to have these monsters.

Besides, I do my part... I tell "Janet Jackson" when she strips down butt naked in front of the tax places not to leave her clothes lying around, but she just cusses me and wanders down the sidewalk.

Dan, each merchant must take care of their own trash and also should and for the most part does pick up in their "area".  Businesses pay pretty dearly for their own trash pick-up or to have dumpsters, depending on the volume of the trash generated.

Public trash cans are just that and at least should be the responsibilty of the city.  In this case, where the actual cans were provided by a community organization, it can be assumed that the organization made arrangements with the city and the city agreed to pick them up on a regular basis.  So, in a way, if could also be construed that the responsibily to maintain the can, meaning making sure the liners and tops are there, would fall back on the organization which orginally provided them. Just like the responisbity to empty them is still with the city.

We can point fingers and say, you should do it or we can make calls, talk to people and see if the problem can be resolved in the correct way and in a way that results in the can being emptied on a regular basis to the benifit of everyone. 

Do you want me to come over at lunch to help pick it up? Seriously, I dont mind, its just whenever I am there I am not usually with bags or trash claw. Do you have bags, or should I grab some on the way?

I jog down that stretch of Main at least 3 or 4 times a week, and I can tell you that the debris that Ock and CS are waiting for SPAR to clean up as been there for months. There is a nook just north of the thrift store that has clearly been someones bed/bathroom for months... It would be great if the Block Captains, Samba, SPAR, and the Merchants (or some variation there in) could figure out a program that could address Main St litter problem in an ongoing basis. If such a program were in place, however, the onus of managing it would have to fall on the people who see and deal with it daily, and it probably makes sense for that to be the merchants on Main.

Sounds like a job for a merchant's association like SAMBA. This could also be something that could help grow the group's membership and influence.

 Good point Dan, why don't you come right on over and empty it. We actually have before.  Probably will again.  Of course, if it is empty when the trash guys get here, perhaps they will just forget about it again.  And it won't solve the problem, but simply let it continue. And, what about the other cans that are not even close to the front of our store.  Are you going to go empty every one of those as well?  Hope so, as that is what we are trying to get done.  I personally do not care if you do it or COJ does it. I just think it would be for the benefit of everyone if it got done on a regular basis. Glad that you volunteered.

Of course I do not think you should do it.  But see the point?  Where does it stop?  Just seems better to try to find a permanent solution and sometimes that is showing the city that there really is a problem and not doing it for them.  Which is why letting it sit full after we have called seems like a reasonable thing to do.

I would think that if some kind of liners could be provided for the city, they might actually be OK with regularly empting theses cans.  I think the lack of liners makes them pass them by. Perhaps the businesses could chip in through SAMBA and get something  to fit.

Trash cans wasn't specifically what I was talking about. I was talking about the trash that seems to be prevalent in each of the empty door ways along Main.

Emptying of the trashcans is a different, and yes I agree, COJ specific problem.

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Sounds like a job for a merchant's association like SAMBA. This could also be something that could help grow the group's membership and influence.

Obviously worth looking into, I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

On another note, is it true the JEA will no longer be servicing the alley ways and the city will no longer be maintaining them soon?

Quote from: jason_contentdg on March 15, 2010, 10:31:27 AM

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Sounds like a job for a merchant's association like SAMBA. This could also be something that could help grow the group's membership and influence.

Obviously worth looking into, I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

On another note, is it true the JEA will no longer be servicing the alley ways and the city will no longer be maintaining them soon?

The city's latest position is that they have no responsibility for maintaining the alleys and that the adjoining property owners are responsible for doing so.  I'm attending a Springfield Alley taskforce meeting this week so will know more in a couple of days.

Regarding trash on main street:  of course the city should be responsible for trash pickup (what else are those controversial garbage fees for?).  But if they are not handling it, both SAMBA and SPAR should get involved.  Clean street is good for business and good for the nearby residential neighborhoods.

we were also told that you will no longer even be able to pay for one of the spot lights in the alley.  this has the potential to become very very bad.  alleys can become dark in certain spots as it is, but with no lights at all - yikes.

 'tis true: http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=388

also, duruing last month's Main Street clean up the consensus was that there was not that much trash to pick up. perhaps it has changed.

Quote from: fsu813 on March 15, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
'tis true: http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=388

also, duruing last month's Main Street clean up the consensus was that there was not that much trash to pick up. perhaps it has changed.

the doorways to the empty stores have always been a huge problem.  hence the, which is worse, a store that some may not like or an open bathroom / camp that almost no one (i would say no one but hey i am sure there are some that will defend the right of someone to cop a squat in the door way and leave their bedding) likes?

Yeah, I'm ok with us maintaining the alleys, but unlit alleyways seems like more of a detriment to Springfield, then say a car wash. But it seems there's hardly any information out there so far, or any sort of organized group to try and keep the alleyways lit.

Quote from: stephendare on March 15, 2010, 11:01:48 AM

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 15, 2010, 10:52:23 AM

Quote from: jason_contentdg on March 15, 2010, 10:31:27 AM

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Sounds like a job for a merchant's association like SAMBA. This could also be something that could help grow the group's membership and influence.

Obviously worth looking into, I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

On another note, is it true the JEA will no longer be servicing the alley ways and the city will no longer be maintaining them soon?

The city's latest position is that they have no responsibility for maintaining the alleys and that the adjoining property owners are responsible for doing so.  I'm attending a Springfield Alley taskforce meeting this week so will know more in a couple of days.

Regarding trash on main street:  of course the city should be responsible for trash pickup (what else are those controversial garbage fees for?).  But if they are not handling it, both SAMBA and SPAR should get involved.  Clean street is good for business and good for the nearby residential neighborhoods.

This has been the traditional viewpoint on the alleys, they only reason that the city agreed to do it was because there had been 40 years of neglect that had made many of the alleys literally unpassable.

John Curtain agreed to work on the alleys until they were clean again.

The trash on Main Street is unconscionable however.  The city removed a bunch of the trash cans, and they got out of the habit of picking up the trash.

Its definitely one of the side effects of having so few open businesses on the strip.

one of the problems seems to be they (JEA) isn't giving us an opportunity to take care of them ourselves (sans city).  we are told we can NOT even pay for lights in the alley.

Quote from: cindi on March 15, 2010, 11:12:14 AM

Quote from: stephendare on March 15, 2010, 11:01:48 AM

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 15, 2010, 10:52:23 AM

Quote from: jason_contentdg on March 15, 2010, 10:31:27 AM

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Sounds like a job for a merchant's association like SAMBA. This could also be something that could help grow the group's membership and influence.

Obviously worth looking into, I'll bring it up at the next meeting.

On another note, is it true the JEA will no longer be servicing the alley ways and the city will no longer be maintaining them soon?

The city's latest position is that they have no responsibility for maintaining the alleys and that the adjoining property owners are responsible for doing so.  I'm attending a Springfield Alley taskforce meeting this week so will know more in a couple of days.

Regarding trash on main street:  of course the city should be responsible for trash pickup (what else are those controversial garbage fees for?).  But if they are not handling it, both SAMBA and SPAR should get involved.  Clean street is good for business and good for the nearby residential neighborhoods.

This has been the traditional viewpoint on the alleys, they only reason that the city agreed to do it was because there had been 40 years of neglect that had made many of the alleys literally unpassable.

John Curtain agreed to work on the alleys until they were clean again.

The trash on Main Street is unconscionable however.  The city removed a bunch of the trash cans, and they got out of the habit of picking up the trash.

Its definitely one of the side effects of having so few open businesses on the strip.

one of the problems seems to be they (JEA) isn't giving us an opportunity to take care of them ourselves (sans city).  we are told we can NOT even pay for lights in the alley.

If they did go to the owners of the adjoining property it could spell trouble for the people that use them to drive into there garages

i thought i had something to add to this discussion, but the idea ov the city saying that lighting the alleyways isn't their responsibility leaves me bereft ov (intelligent) speech...all i can say is:  really?  where do they get this stuff?

Instead of all the petty Springfield arguments that have been taking place online, this is the type of stuff people should be rallying against.  What type of insane argument can a city come up with in a logical fashion to not maintain public infrastructure?  If its to save a buck, they'll save more by not lighting up expressways like 9A or the Outer Beltway.  As an owner of a property adjacent to an alley, this is a serious concern.  Even with lights, you'll be suprised what goes on in them.  I would hate to image the public safety issue of having blocks and blocks of unmaintained public alleys.  You want to kill revitalization? Not maintaining public infrastructure would be a great start.

My alley hasn't been maintained for a long time. We do it ourselves.

Thought that was standard in the neighborhood?

^ I also have always taken care of mine as well.

Lake, I agree, its frustrating that the city isnt taking care of it, but then again, how hard is it to run a mower up it once a month, and pick up the trash?

The allys that are in bad shape, are that way because nobody along it feels ownership.

However, to Cindi's point, there are allys that receive upkeep from neighbors that need some extra love (like in Hampsterdam). JEA should NOT step in the way of these owners who are willing to pay for extra lighting.

I have maintained my alley from day one! mowing, weed eating, picking up trash, etc.!

Again, my issue is not lack of maintenance, but the fact JEA will no longer light the alleyways, even if residents are willing to pay. Of course, if a neighborhood organization facilitated between JEA and the residents, that may change JEA's stance...

My alley is concrete and while maintaining it may be easy, that's not the point.  When did it become acceptable to pay taxes but let the city off the hook on maintaining their own infrastructure?

^Well, this isn't the first case obviously, which is why I always cringe when land is turned into a park.  I love parks as much as the next guy, but when you can't maintain the existing base of parks, why build more?

Also, this thread has certainly left the topic behind...;)

i think "maintaining" is a shared neighbor responsibility (ie garbage etc), i have no problem with that.  my huge concern is the lighting.  we have a pole behind my house (not actually on my property) that is evidently a "phone pole" (confirmed by JEA) and some other random poles that i had requested a big light be put on at my expense - nope, they wont do it.  even if it is an existing jea pole - they said that program is no longer.  as someone that has a house sitting directly on an alley - without lights - i can't imagine what is going to happen.  i absolutely hate the alley as it is - it is nothing more that a place for open drugs and hooking.  turn the lights completely off and i don't even want to think about it.

Quote from: jason_contentdg on March 15, 2010, 03:16:23 PM
^Well, this isn't the first case obviously, which is why I always cringe when land is turned into a park.  I love parks as much as the next guy, but when you can't maintain the existing base of parks, why build more?

Also, this thread has certainly left the topic behind...;)

Yeah, what happend to me lying? (ha)

But seriously.....

These are the types of issues a neigborhood organization could possibly have an impact on. But discussing it on message boards won't accomplish anything. People have to actually participate in an organization, get involved, show up to meetings, go to the office, let others know why it's important to you, etc. Then you can use the org to lobby on your behalf, if enough people feel the same way.

Many people have thier own pet projects in the neighborhood. Doesn't seem like this one has an owner yet.

Springfield has an alley task force, organized by SPAR, that is working with the city and JEA in connection with the alleys.  

Last week I independently contacted my city councilman and was emailed a copy of a florida statute related to dedication of alleys that his aide used to defend the position that the city had no responsbility to maintain the alleys.  The aide explained that the city believes adjacent landowners should maintain the alleys.

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 15, 2010, 03:33:09 PM
Springfield has an alley task force, organized by SPAR, that is working with the city and JEA in connection with the alleys. 

Last week I independently contacted my city councilman and was emailed a copy of a florida statute related to dedication of alleys that his aide used to defend the position that the city had no responsbility to maintain the alleys.  The aide explained that the city believes adjacent landowners should maintain the alleys.

that is a very slippery slope when you pull public safety into it.  again, the actual "maintaining it" in regards to the garbage etc is not an issue - the no lighting and no way for we as homeowners that border alleys to get lighting, HUGE problem. 
guess i will just order body bags in bulk, trust me it will not take long before they (the alleys) turn into the wild wild west when it goes dark. 

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 15, 2010, 03:33:09 PM
Springfield has an alley task force, organized by SPAR, that is working with the city and JEA in connection with the alleys.  

Last week I independently contacted my city councilman and was emailed a copy of a florida statute related to dedication of alleys that his aide used to defend the position that the city had no responsbility to maintain the alleys.  The aide explained that the city believes adjacent landowners should maintain the alleys.

I guess I spoke too soon. The local neighborhood organization is already pursuing it.

They really do need to do a better job publicizing what they contribute, i didn't even know that one.

I'm sure they could use other people's help that are passionate about this issue.... 353-7727

working to keep them open and lighted? Not closed like several others right?

Has there ever been discussion about setting up a BID (Business Improvement District) for the community to help fund and deal with issues like this?  If so, what was the response?

QuoteA business improvement district (BID) is a public-private partnership in which businesses in a defined area pay an additional tax or fee in order to fund improvements within the district's boundaries. BIDs may go by other names, such as business improvement area, business revitalization zone, community improvement district, special services area, or special improvement district. BIDs provide services, such as cleaning streets, providing security, making capital improvements, and marketing the area. The services provided by BIDs are supplemental to those already provided by the municipality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_improvement_district

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 03:55:36 PM
Has there ever been discussion about setting up a BID (Business Improvement District) for the community to help fund and deal with issues like this?  If so, what was the response?

QuoteA business improvement district (BID) is a public-private partnership in which businesses in a defined area pay an additional tax or fee in order to fund improvements within the district's boundaries. BIDs may go by other names, such as business improvement area, business revitalization zone, community improvement district, special services area, or special improvement district. BIDs provide services, such as cleaning streets, providing security, making capital improvements, and marketing the area. The services provided by BIDs are supplemental to those already provided by the municipality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_improvement_district

lakelander, IMHO the issue isn't the who's going to pay for the lights - it is the fact that they (JEA) will not maintain them OR let us pay to have them maintained.  that is my issue with it.  uptowngirl, yes, open and lighted - if they don't give us the lights then shut them down completely.

I'm talking about more than JEA and alleys. There are so many issues the neighborhood needs to address.  A well run BID could handle trash issues on Main, enhance public transit offerings in the area, maintain parks and alleys, plus market the area.  Anyway, just wondering if its ever been considered.

I think you're the man for the job!

Its more than just being the right  man or woman.  Basically, the community as a whole would have to be willing to tax themselves more, with the understanding that the additional money generated would go to fund identified neighborhood programs and capital projects.

Quote from: uptowngirl on March 15, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
working to keep them open and lighted? Not closed like several others right?

Yes, absolutely.  Working very hard to keep them open and lighted.  Have already successfully reopened a number of alleys that were closed by adjoining neighbors.  Still working to open more of the closed alleys.

Quote from: thelakelander on March 15, 2010, 04:29:13 PM
Its more than just being the right  man or woman.  Basically, the community as a whole would have to be willing to tax themselves more, with the understanding that the additional money generated would go to fund identified neighborhood programs and capital projects.

And that's the challenge.  While it's a great idea and worth pursuing, businesses are already struggling, and additional taxes may keep new businesses out of the district.    Something for SAMBA to discuss, I think

I, and many others will not support closing them even if they are not lighted. Hampsterdam is an exception to the rule. We do not have the same issue over here, and btw- these are historic and by closing ONE, we are distrubing the historic fabric of our neighborhood.

Yes, a bad time to ask businesses to shoulder additional burdens from extra taxes.  Certainly when part of what the extra is supposedly for is stuff the city is more or less supposed to provide anyway.  You would have to convince me that it would actually generate substantially more foot traffic to be worthwhile.  A larger lunch crowd would not do it, for instance.  

The worst entry I have seen for a while on our part of Main was mostly because the trash can was in that entryway. But I really only go down the 1700 block most of the time.

The city has closed alleys themselves and I am actually surprised that there is a SPAR Council alley task force. SPAR Council has been credited in the past for letting some alleys get closed. Good to hear that some are working to open them back up and working to keep all of them open.  

In the for what it's worth department, yes, the growth and trash in the alleys are indeed the responsibility of the adjacent home owners.  You used to get cited for letting it go too long. The pavement, if any, and the right of way and even lights were supposed to be the responsibly of whomever owned the poles and any cables running through the alleys.  At least that is what we were told 7 to 8 years ago.  JEA would actually come through our old alley and trim, cut, etc and the light was kept working.  I suppose if you weren’t lucky enough to have active cables in the alley behind you, nothing got done with them.

I asked once if Weed and Seed (or similar) could be used for alley lighting as it is a huge determent to crime in the alleys, at least most of the time.  I got told nope, even though every time I've heard police speak about crime in a certain area, lighting the area up is always mentioned.  Seems like at least in a few high crime areas, the lights need to be the city’s or JSO and JEA's shared responsibility. At the very least, JSO needs to help get JEA back on track and let home owners pick up the tab if they so chose to do so.

The alleys are all over Springfield.  The various issues also cover the entire neighborhood.  Thus the business owners should not be soley financially responsible for a BID. It would work better as a CID or Community Improvement District.  A CID is exactly like a BID, except the entire community participates.

perhaps i am not being clear about what one of the biggest issues in regards to the alley is.  we are willing to pay for the lights etc - we are being told that is NOT an option.  i understand the importance of the alleys when it comes to the historic fabric of springfield.  i am all about the historic - until it becomes a safety issue.  jso won't walk down our alley at night without backup - and that is with the very dim lights that we do have on - that might be the first clue that no lights would become a HUGE problem.

Yep, Cindi, and that is why I thought Weed and Seed should help with that....worth asking someone else with Weed and Seed? If no dollars, then perhaps the needed influence to get JEA back with the program and the neighbors can share costs. 

http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=2240#p2240

jbm32206 has some info and it is posted in the above reference thread:

I had already Gaffney, he did nothing....so I've contacted CW Johnson and she wants to meet with any neighbors who want to discuss this and she wants photos....if you want to join me in helping to resolve this, let me know

Springfield is in Gaffeny's world? I am confused............City wants their tax money,but won't provide minimum services to clean trash? Sounds to me like you guys and gals need to start putting the heat on someones feet down City Hall way.......JEA won't install lights when business's request them .....kids I think it is past time to start organizing! Band together and do what you can do....as in start raising hell till you get some kind of responce from those bufoons! They want your votes but don't want to do the job they were elected to do? Time for a big change people! Ms Glorious maybe one route but I would plan other avenues also!

I think its time for CS to run!

I'm glad that someone has taken the iniative to do something about the alley lighting issue. Our council member for our neighborhood hasn't helped and if council member Johnson can, then I for one will support her efforts. I will go out this evening and check the alleys in my area and make a list of those with lights out, and hope that everyone else will do the same. As this is indeed, a safety factor and these lights need to be properly maintained by the city. Many of us have lighting on our houses, which is an addition to the city lighting, not as a replacement.

I'm against closing the alleys, that would also create a safety factor. I understand the problems that those on the west side have due to the hookers and drug dealing/usage that's much more prominant than the east side, but I'd still be against closing the alleys.

The alley task force is working furiously on this issue

For the record, SPAR has always been steadfast against ally closure. Where the issue was, was in some statements Louise made at a public hearing. I actually took Louise to task on this issue back when it came up several years ago. I dont remember the specifics, but in the long run it didnt matter.

The two incidents were, the developers of 10th and Market wanted to take ownership of the ally behind their building. It wasn't being maintained, and they wanted to fence the remainder of the ally off for use by the buildings residents (half of the ally was lost when the school was built in the 1920s).

The effort failed.

This coincided with a battle over an ally that the Sanctuary tried to take ownership over. The Sanctuary had the support of the city council rep at the time, but eventually conceded the point due to staunch opposition by the Ally Task force (I believe the chair was Joanne Tredenick at the time). I cant remember how Rita Reagan was involved, but I seem to remember she was on the board of The Sanctuary at the time, but I could be mistaken.

Ms. Tredenick is still the chair of the Alley Task Force.


I hope all those that have spoken passionately about this issue will call 353-7727 to get involved, or go to the office at 1321 Main Street. M-Th 9am-3pm.

Quote from: fsu813I hope all those that have spoken passionately about this issue will call 353-7727 to get involved, or go to the office at 1321 Main Street. M-Th 9am-3pm.

Why, when the issue with JEA and the alley lights has been known for months, with no resolution. Just as Gaffney's office has known about this for months, and nothing. I just feel that with the problem not having been resolved, that it's time to see if someone else can make any headway. Not everyone that's passionate about their neighborhood and the safety of themselves and their neighbors, feels the need to call or rely upon spar.

tufsu.......the thought has crossed my mind, but I am old and I don't allways work and play well with others! I have a habit of putting my foot down hard when dealing with idiots and someone in that position needs to be flexible and meet the other side halfway...............don't think I could do that without stepping on peoples toes, ankles, knees or groin.........my fuse is too short!

Quote from: Springfielder on March 16, 2010, 06:58:05 PM

Quote from: fsu813I hope all those that have spoken passionately about this issue will call 353-7727 to get involved, or go to the office at 1321 Main Street. M-Th 9am-3pm.

Why, when the issue with JEA and the alley lights has been known for months, with no resolution. Just as Gaffney's office has known about this for months, and nothing. I just feel that with the problem not having been resolved, that it's time to see if someone else can make any headway. Not everyone that's passionate about their neighborhood and the safety of themselves and their neighbors, feels the need to call or rely upon spar.

before you go it alone, i'd check to see if headway has been made, and if so, what. as you know, 90% of the work done on these issues is behind the scenes. perhaps your efforts can make a significant difference and push it over the top.

Quote from: fsu813

Quote from: Springfielder

Quote from: fsu813I hope all those that have spoken passionately about this issue will call 353-7727 to get involved, or go to the office at 1321 Main Street. M-Th 9am-3pm.

Why, when the issue with JEA and the alley lights has been known for months, with no resolution. Just as Gaffney's office has known about this for months, and nothing. I just feel that with the problem not having been resolved, that it's time to see if someone else can make any headway. Not everyone that's passionate about their neighborhood and the safety of themselves and their neighbors, feels the need to call or rely upon spar.

before you go it alone, i'd check to see if headway has been made, and if so, what. as you know, 90% of the work done on these issues is behind the scenes. perhaps your efforts can make a significant difference and push it over the top.

If headway had been made, then JEA would be out replacing the lights, which is not the case.

I don't get it, why would anyone wait to see if they made headway, when SPAR and councilman Gaffney knew about the problem at good five to six months ago? Now that the word is out that people are looking to others for help, something might happen. Why should it take such a long time for this to be resolved? Why is SPAR or even the councilman allowing JEA to ignore their responsibility? The light poles are on public/city property and are NOT the responsibility of property owners to replace burned out bulbs. Why has JEA been removing light fixtures from poles, leaving the alleyways in the dark and placing neighbors at risk?

Springfielder,

Nevermind. I forgot who I was talking to.

Livein,

There was a newspaper story on this sometime ago, actually. This affects Riverside & Avondale too, perhaps other areas if my memory serves me right. So it's been public for a while. If it were as easy as you make it sound, then i'm sure you'll have no problem fixing the problem! Though, I would still recommend checking to see what has already been done, what plans are in place, etc to address the issue. I assume you wouldn't want to duplicate anything, especially a tact or avenue that failed previously.

Well, we know now that a Springfield resident took it on themselves to contact Glorious Johnson, whom seemed to have only just now heard about the issue, and is already planning on meeting on site.  While, Dr. Gaffney never responded to the email, months ago.  Maybe he was already working behind the scenes on the issue...

FSU813....funny thing is, the reason spar and Gaffney already knew about this issue because that resident (and block captain, which was clearly stated) sent a letter to them, of which there was never a response. So if there's any progress made? I also makes one wonder...why didn't Gaffney's office have the decency to respond to the letter and keep that resident informed with more than just a quick note by his secretary that he'd look into it and then nothing more? Or why was it that spar simply never responded at all?

The original letter was mailed to: Gaffney, SPAR, Peyton and all council members and was dated November 25, 2009. So tell me, who exactly dropped the ball here? Tell me just how one would have faith that the issue was being resolved when there was no response?

So there you have it, a resident and block captain does contact spar, and what response....nothing! And you wonder why there's lack of trust.

"Maybe he was already working behind the scenes on the issue....."

ya think?

No..and that still doesn't excuse his office not contacting the resident that sent the letter. It also doesn't excuse spar for not responding either. Funny, now that this has all been brought to the surface, all of a sudden there's all sorts of action and correspondences being sent...simply amazing how things like this happen...

It's also interesting how all of a sudden you seem to have to smart remark for how spar dropped the ball, when a resident and block captain contacted them for help....don't ya think...so much for your constantly telling us to get involved, to contact them.

i'm full of bad ideas.

Quote from: fsu813 on March 17, 2010, 04:39:32 PM
"Maybe he was already working behind the scenes on the issue....."

ya think?

Not really, unfortunately I was being sarcastic.  I think he would want a constituent to know that he was working on it, instead of ignoring her.

Thank you, and I couldn't agree more

Due to the following e-mails, I am revising my post...

Nw, as to why some are calling the city on there own:

Unfortunately, this is very typical of anything to do with the current SPAR Council’s executive board.  For all we know, that alley task force could very well be working towards closing alleys.  Why do I say that?  Well, let’s look at the “SPAR Speaks”.  We have notices about the car wash and possible evil convenience store openings.  We have the rooming house issue and we even have the chocolate shop issue.  We do not see the ally issue. If they were ‘furiously working” on it, would you not expect them to post something about it somewhere?  Possible their own “SPAR Speaks”?  Isn't that how you keep the community informed and gather support for what you are doing, by telling peole about it? Then remember that Louise and Company always says that they are for saving houses and remember those e-mails from Louise?  So, what SPAR Council officially says and what they really mean can and are often two separate things.

Hey, I sincerely hope glad that there really is a “alley task force” and that they are really “furiously working on the issue”.  I just have to say that I am very glad Springfielder and Ms Johnson are on it.  And a huge Thank You to them both.  I at least can believe what they say and that they are indeed doing what is best.

from myspringfield.org

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It has come to the attention of the SPAR Alley Task Force that the COJ Public Works Department has directed JEA to no longer replace light bulbs in streetlights located in the alleys. Dr. Gaffney’s office responded immediately to a SPAR request for a meeting with the involved entities and the first meeting was held on March 9.

SPAR’s position is that alley lighting is a necessity for neighborhoods, including Springfield, and that it is a City responsibility to ensure safe travel and public security in these public rights-of-way. Please feel free to contact public officials if this issue is important to you. Do keep in mind that SPAR is working with Dr. Gaffney’s office towards a resolution.

Bulb outages should be reported to JEA. Be sure to have the pole number available when you call in the report. If you have difficulty getting a bulb replaced on a JEA pole, please report this problem to SPAR.

SPAR is creating a map of the light poles located in the alleys of Springfield’s Historic District and monitoring changes in their status. If you see a burned out bulb, light removed, or any activity involving the pole, please note the pole number and contact the SPAR office and report its location so we can add it to the map for reference. All reports can be called in to the SPAR office at 353-7727 or e-mail at sparoffice@sparcouncil.org.

Updates and further Alley Task Force reports will be made at monthly SPAR Council Board Meetings and posted when available. Alley Task Force meetings are held monthly and the next one scheduled is on Monday, April 19 at 7pm at the SPAR office, 1321 N. Main St.

JoAnn Tredennick
SPAR Alley Task Force Chair

True, I'm no longer a member of spar, but I remain a block captain and have been for many years. Perhaps they need to check with the one who oversees block captains. Now, as for spar not getting a copy of the letter...that's crap...

QuoteDate: November 25, 2009
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:00 AM
To: Gaffney@coj.net
Cc: SPAROffice; jpeyton@coj.net; Clay@coj.net; WBishop@coj.net; RClark@coj.net; Redman@coj.net; AShad@coj.net; Webb@coj.net; EDLee@coj.net; WAJones@coj.net; RBrown@coj.net; Holt@coj.net; DDavis@coj.net; JMeserve@coj.net; ArtG@coj.net; Corrigan@coj.net; RonnieF@coj.net; JRC@coj.net; Joost@coj.net; KHyde@coj.net; GloriousJ@coj.net
Subject: Springfield alleyway lighting and safety

Dear Councilman Gaffney:

It has come to my attention as a SPAR (Springfield Preservation and Restoration) Block Captain, that JEA will no longer provide maintenance for the lighting of alleyways throughout the Springfield area. One of the residents had filed several ECARE complaints in reference to the light in the alley behind their home, which needed a bulb replacement. It was when a JEA representative called to speak with her about the request for service, that she was told by the JEA representative “that JEA was given a directive by the city about 6 months ago to discontinue maintenance of the lights in the alleys and from now on are only maintaining the street lights.”  If true, this presents a serious safety issue, as it would leave the alleyways in the dark.

This is not acceptable by any means. It is the responsibility of the city/JEA to properly maintain the lighting. How can this possibly be justified by the city, which will most certainly place all of us in the area at a much higher risk of personal and property safety? There is no doubt that this is a public safety issue, which needs to be addressed and rectified. The lights in question are on city owned poles and have always been maintained by JEA, until recently when ECARE requests for service have not been upheld. It was also told by the JEA representative, that this will also impact the Riverside area.

I contacted JEA, via their online contact form, asking if this is true, and this was the response I received: “Thank you for your online contact. It would depend on the location of the alleys and mostly they are area lights that are maintained by the owner.

Thanks,

JEA CUSTOMER SERVICE”
It is not true that most of the poles are the property of homeowners; these poles and lights are property of the city/JEA, as the poles are clearly on public property. As you are aware, we in Springfield have worked diligently to reduce crime and to maintain a safe environment for all residents. Which is why it's imperative that this matter be investigated. The city/JEA needs to maintain the lights as well as replace burned out bulbs. To simply stop the maintenance places the residents in an unsafe environment.

I ask that you look into this issue and help rectify the problem.

XXXXXXXXXX
SPAR Block Captain

Then of course, I get an apology from spar today

QuoteThrough a conversation with Dr. Gaffney’s office today, we realize we were carbon copied the e-mail below, and somehow missed it when it originally came. We just located it today. We apologize for this oversight. JoAnn Tredennick informed us that she has left messages to invite you to last night’s Alley Task Force Meeting and also to update you on the Task Force’s activities regarding this issue. The next Alley Task Force Meeting is here at the SPAR office on April 19, at 7PM. We will notify you of further updates as they are available.

Again, we regret this missing your original e-mail.

Kristen, Spar office

As for Ms. Tredennick making attempts to contact me, there was one call and she left one message on my voice mail. That doesn't amount to making attempts, it was only one and that was yesterday. I did respond to their email and expressed appreciation for their apology and for the invite to the next meeting.

So tell me, just who isn't being upfront and honest here? If this person bothered to contact me, obviously they have my number, since it's the same when I was a member...or made an effort to contact Brad who oversees block captains....then she'd know that I've remained an active block captain since the day that Louise accepted me as one....

not likely, apparently the new director isn't very informed

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Quote from: Springfielder on March 17, 2010, 07:52:29 PM
not likely, apparently the new director isn't very informed

Did the membership get a vote on the new Executive Director?

I suppose the ED is appointed by the Board, as I'm a member and as far as I know, there was no vote. However, please give Brenda a chance to settle in and don't jump down her throat immediately. :-)  She may very well do a fine job for the neighborhood if you'll support her and give her the opportunity to do so.

Taking over a new job is never easy.

Quote from: Springfielder on March 17, 2010, 07:49:05 PM
True, I'm no longer a member of spar, but I remain a block captain and have been for many years. Perhaps they need to check with the one who oversees block captains. Now, as for spar not getting a copy of the letter...that's crap...

QuoteDate: November 25, 2009
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:00 AM
To: Gaffney@coj.net
Cc: SPAROffice; jpeyton@coj.net; Clay@coj.net; WBishop@coj.net; RClark@coj.net; Redman@coj.net; AShad@coj.net; Webb@coj.net; EDLee@coj.net; WAJones@coj.net; RBrown@coj.net; Holt@coj.net; DDavis@coj.net; JMeserve@coj.net; ArtG@coj.net; Corrigan@coj.net; RonnieF@coj.net; JRC@coj.net; Joost@coj.net; KHyde@coj.net; GloriousJ@coj.net
Subject: Springfield alleyway lighting and safety

Dear Councilman Gaffney:

It has come to my attention as a SPAR (Springfield Preservation and Restoration) Block Captain, that JEA will no longer provide maintenance for the lighting of alleyways throughout the Springfield area. One of the residents had filed several ECARE complaints in reference to the light in the alley behind their home, which needed a bulb replacement. It was when a JEA representative called to speak with her about the request for service, that she was told by the JEA representative “that JEA was given a directive by the city about 6 months ago to discontinue maintenance of the lights in the alleys and from now on are only maintaining the street lights.”  If true, this presents a serious safety issue, as it would leave the alleyways in the dark.

This is not acceptable by any means. It is the responsibility of the city/JEA to properly maintain the lighting. How can this possibly be justified by the city, which will most certainly place all of us in the area at a much higher risk of personal and property safety? There is no doubt that this is a public safety issue, which needs to be addressed and rectified. The lights in question are on city owned poles and have always been maintained by JEA, until recently when ECARE requests for service have not been upheld. It was also told by the JEA representative, that this will also impact the Riverside area.

I contacted JEA, via their online contact form, asking if this is true, and this was the response I received: “Thank you for your online contact. It would depend on the location of the alleys and mostly they are area lights that are maintained by the owner.

Thanks,

JEA CUSTOMER SERVICE”
It is not true that most of the poles are the property of homeowners; these poles and lights are property of the city/JEA, as the poles are clearly on public property. As you are aware, we in Springfield have worked diligently to reduce crime and to maintain a safe environment for all residents. Which is why it's imperative that this matter be investigated. The city/JEA needs to maintain the lights as well as replace burned out bulbs. To simply stop the maintenance places the residents in an unsafe environment.

I ask that you look into this issue and help rectify the problem.

XXXXXXXXXX
SPAR Block Captain

Then of course, I get an apology from spar today

QuoteThrough a conversation with Dr. Gaffney’s office today, we realize we were carbon copied the e-mail below, and somehow missed it when it originally came. We just located it today. We apologize for this oversight. JoAnn Tredennick informed us that she has left messages to invite you to last night’s Alley Task Force Meeting and also to update you on the Task Force’s activities regarding this issue. The next Alley Task Force Meeting is here at the SPAR office on April 19, at 7PM. We will notify you of further updates as they are available.

Again, we regret this missing your original e-mail.

Kristen, Spar office

As for Ms. Tredennick making attempts to contact me, there was one call and she left one message on my voice mail. That doesn't amount to making attempts, it was only one and that was yesterday. I did respond to their email and expressed appreciation for their apology and for the invite to the next meeting.

So tell me, just who isn't being upfront and honest here? If this person bothered to contact me, obviously they have my number, since it's the same when I was a member...or made an effort to contact Brad who oversees block captains....then she'd know that I've remained an active block captain since the day that Louise accepted me as one....

Quote

Quote from: stephendare on March 17, 2010, 07:38:47 PM
Well at least there is some correspondence from SPAR to Gaffney's office on the subject.

QuoteDr. Gaffney,
First, I want to thank you for your part in making Louise's reception special. Your presence and kind words have always been a source of support for her and the Springfield community. I believe the "best" came together last night to honor a truly dedicated servant. Though bittersweet, Springfield and Louise sure had a proud shared moment last night.

Today it came to our attention that a discussion thread on myspringfield.org http://myspringfield.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=64&start=10 was on the topic of JEA and their policy to discontinue street lights in the alleys. The person posting as jbm32206 included copies of letters she said were sent to you on November 25, 2009 and one to Glorious Johnson on March 15, 2010. This person claims to be a "SPAR Block Captain"; however she is not a member of SPAR and we have no record of her attending meetings. Also, though she states that the November letter was mailed to SPAR, we have no record of that either.

We welcome all input from the community, and seek to respond to issues and concerns in the most appropriate manner. Our Alley Task Force Chair, JoAnn Tredennick has made attempts to contact this person to inform them of the status of the issue as well as invite her to participate in the process.

We want to thank you for your attention in the matter so far and we do feel a sense of urgency regarding JEA removing lights or poles - we may need your intervention. I know we have a meeting planned within a couple of weeks regarding this issue, however, I'm requesting on behalf of the Alley Task Force and SPAR that you make the appropriate contacts to request a "cease and desist" regarding any further removal of lights or poles in the Springield alleys until we have a chance to reach a final judgment or decision.

Again, you have our appreciation for all your efforts and commitment to Springfield. I welcome your guidance and input.

Thank you,

Brenda Boydston
Executive Director
Springfield Preservation and Revitalization (SPAR) Council
1321 N. Main St.
Jacksonville, FL 32206
904-353-7727
brenda@sparcouncil.org

Looking over all of this, I'm left puzzeled as to why SPAR is trying to discredit someone who clearly is making an effort to find a resolution to a problem in the neighborhood that's a safety issue? I've read the emails, and in the original email sent, I didn't see where they claimed to be a member and only claimed to be a block captain. So why the nasty gram about this person to Gaffney? It's things such as this, where instead of knowing facts, and contacting the person to work with them, they take the negative approach and try to discredit them. It would have made much more sense to have made contact, explain how someone in their office overlooked the original email, and then see how they could combine efforts to reach the same goal.

I don't understand why membership is an issue, isn't spar supposed to be working for/with the neighborhood? IMO, it appears that the new director is more concerned with trying to discredit others, instead of trying to work together. It's these kind of actions that have caused a rift between spar and the neighbohood.

The real issue here is, JEA is skirting their responsibilities and neighbors are upset about it. The real issue is also that someone made an honest effort to contact their council representative and respectfuly sent a copy of that letter to spar; of which, they didn't have to do.

I had a similar reaction, Live in 32206.  There was absolutely no need for the SPAR ED to try to discredit this neighbor. 

The board of SPAR needs to take action to improve both the quantity and quality of communication with its members and the community at large.

As others have suggested, the new ED has assumed a challenging position. 

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 18, 2010, 07:48:01 AM
I had a similar reaction, Live in 32206.  There was absolutely no need for the SPAR ED to try to discredit this neighbor.  

The board of SPAR needs to take action to improve both the quantity and quality of communication with its members and the community at large.

As others have suggested, the new ED has assumed a challenging position.  

At the heart of it, is it a "communication" issue here, Miss Fixit?  I hope so, as that would be rather easy to fix.  

However, it smells like the same problem that has occurred for years.  And that goes to what is behind the communication issue, and that is more difficult to fix.

(I mean, really, look to the title of this thread -- communication issue?).

Quote from: sheclown on March 18, 2010, 08:30:44 AM

Quote from: Miss Fixit on March 18, 2010, 07:48:01 AM
I had a similar reaction, Live in 32206.  There was absolutely no need for the SPAR ED to try to discredit this neighbor.  

The board of SPAR needs to take action to improve both the quantity and quality of communication with its members and the community at large.

As others have suggested, the new ED has assumed a challenging position.  

At the heart of it, is it a "communication" issue here, Miss Fixit?  I hope so, as that would be rather easy to fix.  

However, it smells like the same problem that has occurred for years.  And that goes to what is behind the communication issue, and that is more difficult to fix.

(I mean, really, look to the title of this thread -- communication issue?).

Yes, I think this is a communication issue but you are right that the problem is deep so not actually easy to fix.  SPAR should have a representative (preferably a board member) whose primary responsibility is communication - communicating with the media and with SPAR members and members of the community.  The person selected should be familiar with the historic problems in the neighborhood.  Communication should be open, honest, reasonable and never vindictive.

There was no legitimate reason for SPAR's ED to try to discredit the community member who reached out to Dr. Gaffney.  I cannot know for certain what her motivation was, but I  imagine that exposure to all of the turmoil of the past has put her in a defensive posture.

The SPAR board needs to sit down with the ED and have a serious discussion about how to interact with the community as Springfield moves forward. 

If you read the original letter, which is what I did first, you'll see it was addressed to the councilman, and then cc'd to spar, the mayor and the rest of the council. I assume that was out of respect, if not to reach out to anyone who would step up to the plate and help. I also noticed that the first on that list of cc'd, was the spar office.

As I said, I can only assume at this point, however; if it were me, I probably would have done pretty much the same thing. As a block captain, problems are reported to the appropriate departments, and to spar if it's assumed they can assist. However, that's not always the case, as I know that other problems are not reported to spar and are only reported to specific departments: such as ECARE.

I would agree that this is a communication issue, but that it was a failure to communicate on behalf of the councilman and spar. But for the spar director to try and discredit this person for what ended up being a goof up on spar's behalf, is just so wrong. The email was sent to them, they're the ones who 'lost' it. Personally, there needs to be an apology to this neighbor, they did nothing wrong.

It is a communication issue when the letter or e-mail gets lost or forgotten and the ED comes back and says ”sorry we missed this” or “Sorry we dropped the ball with you, but here is what we are doing…would you like to help?”

It is not a communication issue when the ED jumps up and makes a very concerted effort to quickly discredit the person who sent the original e-mails and does so in correspondence to the councilman. 

I’m sorry, but this is a very familiar tactic (one that I have born the brunt of more than once)  and I fear we have may a “Louise” here by any other name.  Same channel, same script, different cast of characters.  Same big issue for the community.

Oh gawd...

Great. The new E.D.'s obviously as bad as the old one. The whole lot of them need to go.

I've set up a time/place to meet with CW Johnson. Klutho Park (at Silver street) 10:00 AM, Saturday March 27th. Anyone is welcome to join.

Is the meeting about the alleys?

The alley lights that JEA and/or the city is removing and not replacing the burned out bulbs

The issue is now in the media: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=72910218001#/News/Neighbors+Worried+About+Crime+if+Alleys+Go+Dark/50619441001/50624658001/72910218001 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=72910218001#/News/Neighbors+Worried+About+Crime+if+Alleys+Go+Dark/50619441001/50624658001/72910218001)

Doug did a great job on camera.

First of all, I thank all of the neighbors who attended the meeting. I felt we had a very productive meeting with CW Johnson, where she met with several neighbors and listened to their concerns about the alley lighting issues.

Some of the concerns expressed:
It was explained that since JEA removed lights, that there's been an increase in pedestrian traffic after dark, which causes a great safety concern.
That JEA has refused to replace burned out bulbs, and that it seems when a light has been reported, it's suddenly removed from the pole.
Residents have offered to pay for the lights, and are flatly refused by JEA
How Sheriff Rutherford has explained how lighting such areas helps reduce crime

CW Johnson has asked the neighbors to do the following:
Write letters of concern, explain the situation and how this has impacted the areas that are now in the dark
That neighbors show for the council meeting on April 6th (Tuesday) at 5 PM, to tell your concerns to the full council, which then becomes public record
Give a listing of lights out or that were removed, (including pole numbers if possible)

If you know of a pole that the light is no longer working or has been removed, please list it here, so that information can be collected and submitted.

Perhaps one of the moderators could split this thread and create one just for the alley lights?

I got ahold of the current lalley lighting survey.  The street names are difficult to read i this image.  Anyone who wants a straight PDF of it, PM me and I will try to send it to you.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4474371839_6c36f7cd78_b.jpg)

So, what every happened with this issue. I heard Gaffney tell a neighbor that spoke up about it at a recent council meeting, saying that he's fixed it. So are we now going to have the lights returned and burned out bulbs replaced?

can't wait to see the outcome since JEA is supposedly proposing every other street light go dark to save money.