CNN did article on why France is best place to live.
Maybe we should learn something from it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/02/11/france.quality.life/index.html?hpt=T2
F**k the French! I don't live there and would not if it was the last place on Earth!
No thanks.
Ah france. Fine wine, good art...
ok that's all I got.
Quote from: CS Foltz on February 11, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
F**k the French! I don't live there and would not if it was the last place on Earth!
Did you ever live in France?
Why dont you like them?
Quote from: Bostech on February 11, 2010, 08:02:03 PM
Quote from: CS Foltz on February 11, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
F**k the French! I don't live there and would not if it was the last place on Earth!
Did you ever live in France?
Why dont you like them?
DONT POST ITS A TRAP :D
Guy hates France for some good reason.I wonder why.
Maybe because they changed Big Mac?
Nope.............I have been to France, don't drink the wine and the people smell! Personnel hygeine a lost art!
Quote from: CS Foltz on February 11, 2010, 08:15:10 PM
Nope.............I have been to France, don't drink the wine and the people smell! Personnel hygeine a lost art!
*doesn't like France*
That is stereotyping, and if you haven't been to France you really have no place saying that.
That is like saying all gay guys are flamboyant limp wristed sissies.
Anyway,some of points brought in article points to good health care when women can stay home for up to year and raise kids.
Maybe if we did that in US there would be less crimes as kinds would grow into more stable families.
And what about simple lifestyle and piece of mind living life?
Quote from: stephendare on February 11, 2010, 08:22:08 PM
I lived in Paris for a while, and I think anyone who was raised in the south finds it as homey a place as any, if they have any french language at all.
The parisiennes are so passionate and effusive and opinionated about things, and they manage it with the same mixture of mercurial etiquette that Old School southerners do.
Its my favorite city of all to live in.
Now if we would build a southern city based on Paris,add BBQ and Paris would lose crown of best place to live. :-)
I am partial to the South Pacific or the Hawaiian chain, I just don't care for France but have nothing if someone likes that part of the world...........Shetland Islands are nice and so are the people..........Beirut, many years ago, was outstanding.............Estartet Spain outstanding..............anyway lots of places I have not even named that are higher on my list than France! But that's just me! All of the places that I mentioned are down to earth and simple places which I think might be best in the long run!
"This is why France continues to be among the OECD countries whose tax rate is the highest. Taxes account for 45% of GDP against 37% on average in OECD countries. The overall rate of social security and tax on the average wage in 2005 was 71.3% of gross salary, the highest of the OECD. The levels of social security contributions are particularly high (16.3% of revenue against 9.4% in average for OECD). The social security budgets are larger than the budget of the national government. The budgets of both the national government and of social security organizations run deficits." :o :o :o
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France
Quote from: CS Foltz on February 11, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
F**k the French! I don't live there and would not if it was the last place on Earth!
I bet most of them feel the same about us as well...it's a shame.
On my first trip to France a young parisian couple invited me to stay in their home. I regret not taking them up on that but had a really great time regarless. I made a concieous decision to not let the horror stories of others bias my experience and it paid off even before I got off the plane.
Quote from: CS Foltz on February 11, 2010, 07:48:07 PM
F**k the French! I don't live there and would not if it was the last place on Earth!
Did that when I thumbed my way into New Orleans, in 1972! OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: gatorback on February 11, 2010, 09:21:30 PM
On my first trip to France a young parisian couple invited me to stay in their home. I regret not taking them up on that but had a really great time regarless. I made a concieous decision to not let the horror stories of others bias my experience and it paid off even before I got off the plane.
Lucky you,during a night they could have sneak into your room and bite you with their socialist fangs.
Quote from: Bostech on February 11, 2010, 11:19:14 PM
Lucky you,during a night they could have sneak into your room and bite you with their socialist fangs.
STFU already, please.
This...
QuoteAnyway,some of points brought in article points to good health care when women can stay home for up to year and raise kids.
And this...
Quote"This is why France continues to be among the OECD countries whose tax rate is the highest. Taxes account for 45% of GDP against 37% on average in OECD countries. The overall rate of social security and tax on the average wage in 2005 was 71.3% of gross salary, the highest of the OECD. The levels of social security contributions are particularly high (16.3% of revenue against 9.4% in average for OECD). The social security budgets are larger than the budget of the national government. The budgets of both the national government and of social security organizations run deficits."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_France
Belong on the same post... ::)
Sure, we can be like France. We can give most of our money to the government for them to decide what services we should have. After all, we must be too dumb here in the US, God forbid we make our own decisions about our money.
You would not want to own/run a business there either.
Good luck trying to fire someone after a few years. You can basically take a 3 year sabatical leave and then demand your job back. Even if they hired someone else to replace you, they would need to hire you back as well, so two people doing the same job everywhere.
http://blog.cocagne.com/how-to-fire-in-france.htm
QuoteFour months later it was clear that that employee would not ever come back to work for me. To the doctors, it wasn’t clear whether he would ever work again in front of a computer screen. After quickly leafing through the 17,000 pages of the French Code du Travail (Work Laws), I realized that I would have to officially “fire†him, or else, at any point in the next 40 years, he could reappear, ask for his job back and I would have no choice but to accommodate.
This may seem like a picky detail for those of you who have never been there, but one hears the stories of employees who come back after 12-month’s sick-leave on a beach in Thailand and WANT THEIR JOB BACK. In fact, pages 14,166-14,480 of The Code clearly explain all the various combinations and permutations in play here, but to simplify, you (the Boss) either give him his old job back or you give him your kid’s college fund and half the office furniture. Even more interesting, if in the months gone by, you went and hired Someone Else to do the job, you are obliged to maintain both employees, even if there is only one job opening. One is expected to create jobs, not wealth.
In France, you don’t just say, “Sorry Mate, you’re fired.†There were long consultations with my accountant, my lawyer, and the local Chamber of Commerce (who have many experts on payroll who have never hired or fired anyone in their long, illustrious career of explaining to people like me how to do it), and only after there was consensus on how to go about it, did I feel comfortable starting The Firing Process. This is a multi-step task, even for a very, very small business with 1 or 2 employees (like I was).
Step 1: Carefully choose the nominal reason for firing. Mine was obvious: it was for economic reasons. The Internet Bubble had burst and things were going downhill fast.
Step 2: Send a certified letter to the employee inviting him to a “Firing Interviewâ€. He must receive this letter no less than 5 days, no more that 10 days, before the date of interview. The post office is on strike? See pages 16,121-147 of The Code for supplemental steps that you must take. Briefly, you start over.
Step 3: The Firing Interview. The employee has the right to be accompanied by a representative of The Union. You, the Boss, must be alone.
Why? (Really dumb question!)
The employee is an exploited member of the slaving underclass. He needs professional, trained counsel to protect him from…
Me, the Boss, dirty bourgeois pig who eats babies for breakfast.
Step 3bis: I read from a prepared script. “Sorry, my friend, thing’s are going badly, revenues down 45%, profits even more, I am obliged to work as a baby-sitter on weekends to make ends meet, etcetcâ€. Employee looks at Union man, who looks around, sees that there is no good office furniture to be had, says to me, “OK, just give him the Retraining Agreement†and I say “Huh?†and he says, “That’s OK, I guess, let’s goâ€, and they do. Firing Interview over.
Step 4: I call my lawyer frantically, asking, “What’s a Retraining Agreement?â€
She says, “Merde! Did we forget the Retraining Agreement?â€
“Yesâ€.
“Hmmâ€. And then, “Better start all over. Re-invite him to a Firing Interview. Order a Retraining Agreement form from the Retraining Administration. That way, you’re covered if he decides to attack you for faulty firing procedureâ€.
Step 5: I send off another certified letter fixing a date for Firing Interview 2. I order a Retraining Agreement from the correct Administration. This could only be done through the Minitel, that interesting bit of 1970’s technology that the French telephone monopoly imposed on the French people until the floodgates of the Internet opened too wide, ie, about 5 years after every other developed countries embraced the Internet. With all due credit to French bureaucracy, the document, all 26 pages of it, arrived rapidly.
Its instructions were emblematic of the french approach to supporting business and businesspersonnes: “Pages 3,6, 19 are to be given to the fired employee to be returned to us by him within 30 days of the firing interview. Pages 11-15 are to be kept for your records for 7 years. Pages 1,2,4,6,10, and 22 must be signed by you and returned to us in the enclosed envelope #1 within 3 days. Pages 5,7,8,9 are to be completed and signed by you AND the fired employee and returned to the tax services in the enclosed envelope #2 before the end of the present quarter.â€
Step 6: Another firing interview. A different union man accompanies my employee. I repeat the litany of woe. Everyone nods heads thoughtfully. I pass over the Retraining Agreement (well, pages 5,7,8,9, anyway). They are signed and enveloped. I give a severance check equal to what I paid myself for the 24 previous months to the employee.
He looks at me thoughtfully, as though to say, “If you hadn’t saved my life, I probably would have gone for the deed to your house, too.â€
I smile, realizing that the reason most small businesses in France fail quickly is because the alternative would be to succeed, and success might mean hiring. Few people who hire once in France, hire twice.
Then again, we have Michigan.
You are forced into a union regardless of your choice, and the courts basically say tough shit.
http://www.uppermichiganssource.com/news/story.aspx?id=410615
The union is forced upon you, and they take a percentage of state subsidies that should be going to the daycare for union dues. Heaven forbid you make your own choice in life.
Screw freedom!
Yes it is pure evil to have dedicated and reliable health care insurance,schooling system,right to take vacation up to a month and not lose job because you took vacation or have been sick.
France rules are more like something you would refer to civilized country,while rules in USA are more like in a jungle.
Lifestyle in France is good for middle class and poor.
Lifestyle in USA is good for rich and super rich.
Which one is you?
really Bos? You think you are poor NOW? Are you ready to cough up...
QuoteThe overall rate of social security and tax on the average wage in 2005 was 71.3% of gross salary, the highest of the OECD.
I do love the cuisine tho... 8)
Quote from: Shwaz on February 12, 2010, 12:52:38 PM
A jungle that took you while the rest of the men of Bosnia (who stayed to fight) were sent to concentration camps.
People who fought never went to camps.Only civilians were taken there,defenseless people.
Defenseless because someone someone decided they dont have right to defend themselves.
Wait that was UN under US/EU imposed sanctions.
Thanx for helping.
Like it or not,rules in USA are rules of jungle.Bigger and stronger succeeds while weaker disappear.
System that works for successful,for very few.If you are Richard Branson,Donald Trump or Kim Kardashian its great system,much better then France.
But if you are middle class,guess what...you get more in France then in USA.
Which one is you?Which one would you prefer?
Would you like to get kicked out of hospital day after giving birth or getting time up to a year to raise a child in France?
Would you like to have guaranteed health care insurance or try not to get sick so you dont get denied insurance for being sick?
Would you rather have vacation time up to a month in peace or quick 7 day i am thinking about my job vacation?
Is that evil to have?
You can spin it with any crazy conspiracy theory you want.... but while your country went to shit the USA was there for you.
Lol,nobody was there for me.
My hometown is still run by BAD GUYS.
Ethnic cleansing was LEGALIZED by both US and France.
Thanx for helping.
Now back to topic,do you think having these "perks" is evil?
Would you like to have one month vacation time?
I would.
Then again I am selfish,I dont think how will hurt all the rich people.
But who's country is a jungle again?
QuoteNow back to topic,do you think having these "perks" is evil?
Would you like to have one month vacation time?
I would.
Nope... those are great perks. I just do not want the government to confiscate 75% of my gross to provide them to me and those who do not earn them. Simple.
Greece?
Why don't we get a French opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Z74Akf1WUbU
Lol,french opinion.
They find one woman with fake accent and call that french opinion.
She didnt say anything valuable except if you want to own business and be super rich USA is better,which is true.
For middle class France is way better.
Like I said,you have to deceide where do you belong and whats better for you.
USA is for rich and France is for middle class.
If you are interested in a WWII vintage rifle. The best condition are French, they have never been fired and only dropped once.
France is a terrific country in most ways. Not perfect, but as good as here at least and better in a number of respects. People are a lot less stressed, countryside is a lot less trashed than ours, food is fabulous anywhere. Medical care is absolutely fantastic. Cardiac surgery and neurosurgery are in advance of what we are doing here. (personal knowledge).
Prices are much higher than here all over the country, not just in Paris. Winter weather in Paris is about what we are having here today. UGH! But this is the best time of year to visit Paris because there are no tourists there.
Parisians are much like New Yorkers; busy, sarcastic, proud and willing to help a stranger. It really helps if you at least try to speak some French at first, but I find Parisians warm and funny. (But not the waiters in the summer!)
The graphic above is misleading in a way. Much of the growth in earning in the last ten years or so in this country has gone to the top few percent of earners. I think that now the French middle class is actually a bit better off than ours and there is no doubt that the working class is better off there. No medical expenses to worry about. No college funds to worry about. No retirement worries.
Tougher to have a business there, but everyone seems to manage OK. Every neighborhood has every kind of shop you could need, but France would be a very hard place in which to get rich. My French distributor based in Lyon, another fantastic city, has managed it.
Being born and raised in Jacksonville, I prefer it here, but could live in France after knocking the rust off of my French. J'ai oublier tout mon vocabulair. (And French spelling is harder than English.)
WD how many countries did you live/travel?
You seem to be knowledgeable about many places.
Bos, I have NOT traveled or done business in Sub-Saharan Africa or in the "cone" of South America or in China, but have just about everywhere else with a few exceptions. Long list.
Did LOTS of business in France and can get along in the language.
Blah, blah, blah.
France is lovely as are the French.
Believe it or not; people really are... people.
Bucket, I have traveled enough to absolutely agree with you from first hand experience. That's not an idealistic wish, it's the truth.
Quote from: reednavy on February 12, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
Blah, blah, blah.
Imagine if French said all Americans are fat,uneducated people who carry guns around.
How true do you think that is?
Stereotypes that dont hold water.
Just like they say southerners are racists,but i actually seen more racists in NY then here.
Point of article is to introduce ideas for better living using France as example,not to fight over whos pee pee is bigger.
Just like a washer and dryer.
Americans got dryer part right and European washer,put it together and you got best of world.
All I am looking is what is better for my life and people that surround me.
If I have a car,I'll take European design,Japanese quality and American comfort.
I dont discriminate.
I'd just as soon keep my own money and pay for my own comforts. I think you will find that is a traditional American way of thinking.
Quote from: NotNow on February 12, 2010, 09:31:25 PM
I'd just as soon keep my own money and pay for my own comforts. I think you will find that is a traditional American way of thinking.
maybe so...but it is also part of our problem....there are many things that can (and should be) funded by groups of people...like infrsatructure, protection, education, etc....but that doesn't go well with our me, me, me mindset.
I prefer to think of what you call a "me, me, me mindset" as individual liberty. It is (or was) the basis of our political system. It doesn't take 70% of our income to protect us and build roads. If people want to sit around for a year and enjoy the wine and roses, I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for the huge beuracracy required to administer it all either.
We are attempting to abandon a system which has made our country one of the greatest economic powers in the history of the world. We are attempting to embrace a system that has never worked for any period of time in the history of the world. I am not an economist. I don't pretend to be the smartest or most knowlegable guy on this forum. But I can read history. I don't see any reason to believe things will be different now.
Quote from: NotNow on February 13, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
I prefer to think of what you call a "me, me, me mindset" as individual liberty. It is (or was) the basis of our political system. It doesn't take 70% of our income to protect us and build roads. If people want to sit around for a year and enjoy the wine and roses, I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for the huge beuracracy required to administer it all either.
We are attempting to abandon a system which has made our country one of the greatest economic powers in the history of the world. We are attempting to embrace a system that has never worked for any period of time in the history of the world. I am not an economist. I don't pretend to be the smartest or most knowlegable guy on this forum. But I can read history. I don't see any reason to believe things will be different now.
Greatest economic power?Huh.
You mean by Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air?
You mean in modern times?
Do you also take in account that you have greatest debt too?
So If I borrow million dollars that makes me a millionaire??
I can walk around and act like one,except one day you have to pay that money back.
Same with US,which borrows money and eventually you will have to pay that back.
Middle class in France has more then middle class in US,unless you include "debt" as wealth.
Would you guys stop feeding the troll. lol
Here's another reason, an excerpt from the Daily Beast says it best:
As Haitians lurch destitute in the rubble, and as governments, churches, and NGOs do the best they can to bring succor to Haiti's hell, a vivid solution to the country's needs presents itself, one so obvious and irrefutableâ€"so resonantly justâ€"that it must be advocated with the greatest of energy: France must repay its colonialist debt to Haiti by paying for much of the island country’s reconstruction.
Haiti's chronic impoverishment began at its birth in 1804, when, having overthrown its French rulers in a bloody, 12-year slave revolt, the newborn nation was subjected to crippling blockades and embargoes. This economic strangulation continued until 1825, when France offered to lift embargoes and recognize the Haitian Republic if the latter would pay restitution to Franceâ€"for loss of property in Haiti, including slavesâ€"of 150 million gold francs. The sum, about five times Haiti's export revenue for 1825, was brutal, but Haiti had no choice: Pay up or perish over many more years of economic embargo, not to mention face French threats of invasion and reconquest. To pay, Haiti borrowed money at usurious rates from France, and did not finish paying off its debt until 1947, by which time its fate as the Western Hemisphere's poorest country had been well and truly sealed.
Here is the link to the article:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-01-14/why-haitis-earthquake-is-frances-problem/
Quote from: Bostech on February 13, 2010, 12:53:22 AM
Quote from: NotNow on February 13, 2010, 12:02:54 AM
I prefer to think of what you call a "me, me, me mindset" as individual liberty. It is (or was) the basis of our political system. It doesn't take 70% of our income to protect us and build roads. If people want to sit around for a year and enjoy the wine and roses, I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for the huge beuracracy required to administer it all either.
We are attempting to abandon a system which has made our country one of the greatest economic powers in the history of the world. We are attempting to embrace a system that has never worked for any period of time in the history of the world. I am not an economist. I don't pretend to be the smartest or most knowlegable guy on this forum. But I can read history. I don't see any reason to believe things will be different now.
Greatest economic power?Huh.
You mean by Federal Reserve printing money out of thin air?
You mean in modern times?
Do you also take in account that you have greatest debt too?
So If I borrow million dollars that makes me a millionaire??
I can walk around and act like one,except one day you have to pay that money back.
Same with US,which borrows money and eventually you will have to pay that back.
Middle class in France has more then middle class in US,unless you include "debt" as wealth.
Best way to measure a country's debt is as a percentage of GDP as GDP can be considered a nations ability to pay the loan back. Now I am not saying the US is in good shape here, but if you compare France (67%) to US (60.8%) you see they are both borrowing to meet there needs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt)
I know every country is in debt (I even asked who is lender if everyone is in debt) but you still get more for money in France then here.
USA have been economic power since WWII,which is not that long in historic terms.
Some has to do with lots of luck,war ravaged Europe and Japan so gave chance for USA to be on top.
Sure its great to be rich in US,but most of us are not and never will be,I dont care how much you dream about that.
So I need system that will benefit me as middle class not rich person,after all 250 million Americans belong to middle class and poor.
QuoteSo I need system that will benefit me as middle class not rich person,after all 250 million Americans belong to middle class and poor.
I need a system wher I can dream to be rich... and if I work hard, save, I can... The system you dream of seems to exist in france...
I am sure Bing,Google or Apple will come up with app for that,maybe call it I am rich.
Bing - Microsoft search engine. Started by a Middle Class kid named Bill gates who is now one of the richest men in the world.
Apple - Co-founded by Steve Jobs adopted by middle class parents. Currently worth 5.1 billion.
Google - Founded by Larry Page, son of 2 Computer Science professors, and Sergey Brin, who immigrated to the United States at age 6.
All examples of what BridgeTroll was saying.
That is story we were told.
I don't buy that crap.
Bill Gates is same man who said 640kb will be all you need for memory in PC.
Doesn't sound like a man who knows stuff.
Seems to me he became rich by accident or someones purpose.
And you are talking about 4 people in country of 300 million.
Lets get REAL her and not dream about kids dreams.
Quote from: Bostech on February 13, 2010, 09:49:32 PM
That is story we were told.
I don't buy that crap.
Bill Gates is same man who said 640kb will be all you need for memory in PC.
Doesn't sound like a man who knows stuff.
Seems to me he became rich by accident or someones purpose.
And you are talking about 4 people in country of 300 million.
Lets get REAL her and not dream about kids dreams.
You are projecting your own inadequacies onto others.
I't is a mind trick you are playing on no one but yourself.
No,I just live in REAL world ,not illusion or daydreaming how will I become rich one day.
It won't happen.
Some people get lucky and MOST don't.
Let's focus on real world here not illusions.
QuoteBut it shouldnt also be a system that insures death by poverty on the other side either.
It doesnt... it insures opportunity to succed or fail. Do with it what you will according to ability and perseverence.
People like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs and Warren Buffett and Thomas Edison and the elder Davis brothers and Herb Peyton and literally millions of others did not get rich by inheritance or luck.
Donald Trump and the younger Davis' did. It works both ways.
Also, there is an old saying about America that Bos probably hasn't heard, "Shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations". First generation immigrants started with a pushcart, saved up and opened a store. Lived in the apartment above and sent their children to public schools and pushed them to excel. Second generation became doctors, lawyers, bankers, engineers and were financially successful. Spoiled their kids and didn't push them to succeed. Third generation did poorly in school, goofed off, played around and when the inheritance ran out, ended up as a construction laborer or flipping burgers or selling used cars.
Social mobility can work both ways in this country.
Forty years ago I had an African-American friend who's parents were near illiterate, sharecroppers on a farm in South Florida. He earned a Phd and became assistant school superintendent of one of the largest school systems in Florida. His children are college professors. Now THAT's social mobility especially at that time for a black man.
The streets of America are not paved with gold, but they have always been paved with opportunity.
Nicely stated, DW.
People like Donald Trump and co. can succeed anywhere,you don't have to in US.In China he would be best communist.
Opportunity exists anywhere if you know what you are doing.
Sad thing is,both of my grandparents owned homes,which is unheard of in US,and yet they were nobodies.
Actually 95% of my ENTIRE family are owners of homes,no mortgage,no payments.
How do you explain that nobody in Bosnia can own 3 story reinforced concrete house while hard-working daydreaming American works 30 years to accomplish same thing?
And lets not forget that MAJORITY of Americans belong to middle class and poor.Only few chosen ones are rich.
How they ACTUALLY got rich is mystery,what we are told on TV I dont believe.
Like I said,Bill Gates saying that computer doesnt need more then 640kb of memory doesnt really go with him becoming richest man in world.
If computer memory need stayed below 640kb he would NEVER got where he is now.
Is there something else we dont know about him?
Pablo Picasso would say "Bad artists copy. Good artists steal:.
I would say,wealthy person works hard for money but filthy rich steals to get rich.
Most artist,businessman and successful people take someone else work,repackage it and make big money of it.then they get sued,pay part of money as damages and still keep majority.
That's not exactly hard work or success,at least honest way.
You can do that in any country.
Great example was one of popular singer in ex-Yu who was making killer songs since 70's only to turn up he was stealing most of stuff from American classical rock bands.
Some stories even suggest it was government that was helping him to create all those songs,so they can control masses (apparently same trick they took from CIA during 60's).
He had tons of albums,good songs until war.
After war that guy couldn't put single good song.
I guess now that he lost sponsors and support he cant do anything on its own.
But for 30 years people thought he was best musicians out there.
Like I said,we don't know what goes behind closed doors,most of those rich could be just puppets and people who just got lucky.
Some might be even chosen to be rich as example.
Yeah poor guy started in his garage and now his millionaire.
Yeah,right.
Bill Gates strikes me as a guy that doesn't know future.Everything he ever said he got it wrong yet hes richest guy on Earth.
How that works is beyond me.
Stop it, Bos... You take a simple truth and stretch it into a lie that spans a thousand miles.
I know from personal experience that you cane become wealthy in this country through hard work and diligence. Further, you can become impoverished just as quickly is spite of the same efforts.
Give it a try, Bos... Immigrants tend to have great success here, as DW noted earlier in this (or some other) thread. Fear and resentment are what hold you back.
You can become wealthy in many countries if you work hard.but to become rich you have to be a$$hole in 90% of times.
And that applies to any country.
For majority people middle class is it.
So should we cater to few rich who most of them get that way some shady way or to majority of population?
This is like playing lottery,sure there is chance to hit jackpot but that is for very few.
Someone or few people will do it and become super rich,but most of players will end up with nothing.
Its nice dream,but that's all it is,its a dream.
You can play lotto in any country and you can become rich in any country for same reason.
Now let me smartass and ask,can someone define How rich is rich?
Uhhhh.
Nevermind.
Quote from: Bostech on February 16, 2010, 01:04:58 AM
Now let me smartass and ask,can someone define How rich is rich?
You define how poor is poor and I will define rich.
bosrant
I'd rather be rich in overall quality of life than in mere dollars. By that measurement, the French (and many other Europeans) seem to be more successful than most Americans.
con·jec·ture (kn-jkchr)
n.
1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various conjectures about the outcome of the next election.
v. con·jec·tured, con·jec·tur·ing, con·jec·tures
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To make a conjecture.
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Quotebos.rant(boz-rant)
n.
1. Inference or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. A statement, opinion, or conclusion based on guesswork: The commentators made various bosrants about the outcome of the next election.
v. bosranted, bosranting, bosrants
v.tr.
To infer from inconclusive evidence; guess.
v.intr.
To make a conjecture.
someone submit that to urban dictionary . com
I heard the New French Navy was selling all their ships so they could purchase new glass-bottomed ships.
That way they can keep an eye on the Old French Navy.
Q. Why don't Master Card and Visa work well in France?
A. They do not know how to say "CHARGE!"
Q. How many French soldiers does it take to defend Paris?
A. Don't know, it's never been tried.
Q: Why don't they have fireworks at Euro Disney?
A: Because every time they shoot them off, the French try to surrender.
Q: How can you identify a French Infantryman?
A: Sunburned armpits.
Q: Why do the French call their fighter the *Mirage*?
A: Because it doesn't really exist.
aaaaaaand the kicker:
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." ~ General George S. Patton
Those of us who know a little something about history will agree that France is indebted to America for saving their asses in WWII.
But if we go back a whole lot farther we should know that were it not for the help of France in the days of Lafayette we might still be under British rule.
I guess that was too long ago for that to count today.
If you want to go even farther back in time the British are actually french because of the battle of hastings on 14 October 1066 ;D
And a little further back you will find that the "French" at the Battle of Hastings were actually Vikings who had conquered western France a hundred years before. Normans = Norse men.
And if you go back further still, you find that Americans returned to Europe and created every conflict ranging from pub brawls to every major conquest in history.
........pffft!..... sheeple!
Quote from: buckethead on February 28, 2010, 04:22:57 PM
And if you go back further still, you find that Americans returned to Europe and created every conflict ranging from pub brawls to every major conquest in history.
........pffft!..... sheeple!
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In 1066 the french take over England, William the conqueror was from Normandy France----- England colonizes North America (along with France and Spain )-----The french Indian war, Great Britain and France in north America from 1754 to 1763 -----1776 America gains its Independence with french assistance. WWII U.S forces stormed the beaches of Normandy to liberate France. It looks like we came full circle. BTW I am descended from the the Norman Invaders