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Title: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: fsu813 on February 09, 2010, 01:05:12 AM
Duval County Public Schools would take an $85 million hit next school year if the state's agencies take proportional losses and the state proceeds with a class-size amendment initiative, Superintendent Ed Pratt-Dannals told board members Monday.

Pratt-Dannals said the shortfall was based on current revenue figures.

The potential shortfall balloons to $135 million when retirements, medical insurance increases and contract increases are taken into account, Pratt-Dannals said.

"This is based on what we know at this point," Pratt-Dannals said. "Again, we hope it doesn't come to this because I have no idea where we're going to find that kind of money."

He said the district could use reserves to cover about $10 million of the shortfall.

Pratt-Dannals said the Legislature could decide that education takes less losses than others. Lawmakers could also mitigate the potential hit to education by increasing sales or property taxes, Pratt-Dannals said.

The class-size reduction initiative was put on hold this past year because of the state's budget woes. The shortfall would be about a 14 percent cut to the district's $900 million operating budget.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-02-09/story/duval_county_schools_facing_85_million_shortfall

Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 09, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Sell their riverfront headquarters. That should cover a quarter of it.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: tufsu1 on February 09, 2010, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 09, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Sell their riverfront headquarters. That should cover a quarter of it.

and where would you suggest they relocate to....and how should they cover the leasing and moving costs?
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: fsu813 on February 09, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
I know of an abandoned Jewish Center in a historic district that would make a fine "headquarters"....
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: tufsu1 on February 09, 2010, 10:12:06 AM
Quote from: fsu813 on February 09, 2010, 10:10:05 AM
I know of an abandoned Jewish Center in a historic district that would make a fine "headquarters"....

ok...how much would it cost to make that happen?
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: Springfielder on February 09, 2010, 11:00:48 AM
Selling the current school board building is fine, but it would also cost a great deal to relocate everyone, not to mention having to renovate to meet the needs, of wherever they would move to. There are other empty schools that could be used, but again....it would cost to renovate and update those buildings.

There are many ways in which the school district can save money:
Starting with getting rid of the 'instructional coaches' that really are just those trying to justify their positions and have made no positive impact upon the students educational experience.
Move the regional superintendents and house them at a school within their region, and close/sell the buildings they work out of now.
Stop the spending for substitutes for workshops, there are far too many and it's a waste of money. Such things can be handled during early release days.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 09, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
Whats the square footage of their current building? 60-80K tops...  There's easily space for that downtown, or near the core, without even it being class A (which I don't think they need). 

Sell their building and property for $20M-ish, even allocate $1M for build-out of new space downtown, another $100K for actual moving expenses, and BAM!
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: JeffreyS on February 09, 2010, 01:28:45 PM
How about if the state spends enough to cover the budget. We all pay school tax and Florida has made some educational progress. Cutting waste should be done but we all know in comparison this state does not spend much per student.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: tufsu1 on February 09, 2010, 03:33:12 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 09, 2010, 11:22:16 AM
Whats the square footage of their current building? 60-80K tops...  There's easily space for that downtown, or near the core, without even it being class A (which I don't think they need). 

Sell their building and property for $20M-ish, even allocate $1M for build-out of new space downtown, another $100K for actual moving expenses, and BAM!

Their current building is not Class A so they definitely wouldn't need Class A in an different building.

But does it make sense to sell that building now in a depressed market...or should they wait until commercial values start climbing again?
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: aaapolito on February 09, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
Two Words: Charter Schools
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: JeffreyS on February 09, 2010, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: aaapolito on February 09, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
Two Words: Charter Schools
I like the premise of charter schools are they cheaper would they help make up this shortfall the thread is about?
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: CS Foltz on February 09, 2010, 06:23:29 PM
Why not locate JTA and the School Board in the same Bldg? There is one available......the Old JEA Bldg downtown could be set up on a long term lease or buy outright for around $11 Million Dollars....10 or 12 floors available and parking so WTH? Most of the Old Federal Reserve Bldg is available........I don't see the School Board doing much other than spending resources on themselves..........what about the kids? Well heres your chance to do something about the issue! Plenty of Bldgs available..........use your flippin imagination!
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: aaapolito on February 09, 2010, 09:22:37 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on February 09, 2010, 04:40:47 PM
Quote from: aaapolito on February 09, 2010, 03:59:11 PM
Two Words: Charter Schools
I like the premise of charter schools are they cheaper would they help make up this shortfall the thread is about?

Charter schools are public schools, funded by public money, but run by private hands.  Private entities tend to be a little better with money and therefore charter schools will be able to do more with less.  This will not close the budget gap for the upcoming year, but over the long term, the education budget will become more balanced.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: mtraininjax on February 10, 2010, 01:09:40 AM
I hear the Laura trio is available, and they come with open-air windows, or no windows, if you need to be correct.

85 million? Hmm... seems that is how much the DCSB's new High School on the southside cost to build. Just saying...
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: Charles Hunter on February 10, 2010, 06:29:16 AM
Different money - the money to build the new HS was only available for capital projects, the upcoming shortfall is in operating (electricity, water/sewer, salaries, etc.) money.  State law prohibits using one for the other.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: Captain Zissou on February 10, 2010, 10:20:39 AM
QuoteBut does it make sense to sell that building now in a depressed market...or should they wait until commercial values start climbing again?


I agree that this isn't the best time to sell a property.  I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to at least start shopping the property around.  At least let the citizens know they're trying to cut expenses and being proactive about reducing the deficit. It may take a year or two, but whatever can be done to raise money for the students should be done ASAP.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: stjr on February 10, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
How about a moratorium on road building and splitting those funds 50/50 between education and mass transit!  Now that is a home run.  ;D

While we are at it, charter schools don't have a very good batting ratio to date.  I believe, of the dozen or so tried here, all but one failed, and that one is actually run by Florida State College, not private interests.  Hopefully, the KIPP school will be a great success.  Successfully educating kids is not as easy as it looks, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: aaapolito on February 11, 2010, 07:18:02 AM
Quote from: stjr on February 10, 2010, 11:42:53 AM
While we are at it, charter schools don't have a very good batting ratio to date.  I believe, of the dozen or so tried here, all but one failed, and that one is actually run by Florida State College, not private interests.  Hopefully, the KIPP school will be a great success.  Successfully educating kids is not as easy as it looks, that is for sure.

Charter schools that do not do well should fail and be closed, but the same should be said for failing public schools.  While I admit that this is easy to say, I do believe that if a sense of competition is created, then hopefully a better system will be the end product.  This was the misunderstood goal of No Child Left Behind Act.  Most people did not see it for what it really was, legislation that encouraged charter schools to replace failing public schools.

I also hope that the KIPP school will be a success.  I am confident that it will.  Teach for America (genesis for KIPP) is already succeeding in JAX with almost 100 teachers in schools throughout JAX.

Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: thelakelander on February 11, 2010, 07:39:07 AM
Why not look at transportation costs?  Why can't the school board work with JTA on busing needs?
Title: Re: Duval County schools facing $85 million shortfall
Post by: stjr on February 11, 2010, 09:33:43 AM
Lake, JTA working with another non-road building governmental agency may beyond JTA's imagination.  They certainly haven't demonstrated the ability to work with other partners in addressing bigger community wide concerns if their track record with Downtown, mass transit, and rush to create urban sprawl is any indication.