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QuoteHere are the shopping plazas coming soon to the International Golf Parkway and Interstate 95 intersection:
Southwest Corner: Lion's Gate, expected to open as early as 2009, will include three anchor stores as well as junior anchor stores, restaurants and other shops.
Northeast Corner: Esplanade, expected to open in 2010, will include four department stores, a 16-screen movie theater and about 80 boutiques and shops.
Southeast Corner: Lakeside Promenade, expected to open late this year or early next year, will feature various specialty shops, a restaurant and a day spa.
Esplanade at St. Johns
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The Esplanade will located on the northeast corner of the Interstate 95/International Golf Parkway interchange. It will contain 1.5 million square feet of retail space on 580 acres. In addition, there will be 4,300 jobs, 847,000 square feet of office space, 1,400 residential units, a school and a 110 room hotel. Before construction starts, International Golf Parkway must be expanded from two to six lanes all the way east to US 1. The developer is Ben Carter Properties. The project is anticipated to open by 2010, two years after construction starts in mid 2008.
http://staugustine.com/stories/041807/news_4540167.shtml
Lion's Gate
This 100 acre, 1 million square foot complex will be located on the southwest corner of International Golf Parkway and Interstate 95. It's expected to bring in $400 million in annual revenue and employ up to 1,500. Lions Gate will include three anchor stores, junior anchors, restaurants and shops. It will be built around a large lake, featuring outdoor dining and a wide promenade for shoppers. Construction could start as early as January 2008 and is expected to be complete within a year of ground breaking. The developers are Weingarten Realty Investors and Steinmann & Co. Real Estate.
Lakeside Promenade
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Lakeside is currently under construction on the southeast corner of the interchange. When complete, it will offer 119,000 square feet of shopping space
http://staugustine.com/stories/041407/news_4532324.shtml
Lakeside Promenade site plan
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QuoteEsplanade 'in limbo'
By PETER GUINTA | More by this reporter | peter.guinta@staugustine.com | Posted: Sunday, October 5, 2008 ; Updated: 1:06 AM on Sunday, October 5, 2008
Esplanade, the proposed high-end retail shopping complex planned for the intersection of Interstate 95 and International Golf Parkway, is sitting unbuilt and dormant, waiting for the financial climate to change.
A year ago, the St. Johns County Commission worked out a $28 million transportation deal with the owners of the planned new residential, office and shopping complex.
Commission Chair Tom Manuel said Friday that a lot has changed in a year.
"There is no doubt that we are in a period of great economic uncertainty," he said. "If there is no consumer confidence, risk capital doesn't want to take risk."
The initial deal was for St. Johns County to expand the I-95-IGP cloverleaf with that $28 million and in return approve The Devlin Group and Ben Carter's plan to build 1,400 homes, 1.4 million square feet of retail space, 850,000 square feet of office space and a 110-room hotel on property northeast of the intersection.
But nothing happened after that agreement was hammered out. No applications were filed, no money changed hands.
County planners now say, "The project is in limbo."
The Devlin Group did not return phone calls Friday asking why the project stopped moving forward.
Manuel said they "are still committed to getting it done. I've heard nothing about them withdrawing."
Planners said the county and the developers had hoped to create a taxing district in that area to pay for local transportation improvements. But that idea died when the state Supreme Court ruled that such a taxing district required that a referendum be held first.
Growth Management Services Director Teresa Bishop said that, after the ruling, "Everything got put on hold."
The court reversed itself a few weeks ago, meaning that the taxing district can now be created without a referendum.
Manuel said he hopes the Wall Street rescue bill that President Bush signed into law Friday would "feed into the economy and filter down to Main Street," because that will increase consumer certainty and encourage new businesses to open.
"I'm hopeful these retail centers will be built and are successful, not only because of the property taxes and sales taxes (the county would collect), but because we won't have to go as far to go shopping," he said.
He said two other retail centers Lion's Gate in World Golf Village and another along State Road 210 are also biding their time.
"Right now it's tread water time," Manuel said. "It will be better after the election. The financial market is very difficult for any project now. Businesses expect the economy to go up and down. But (this time) they didn't expect it to fall off a cliff."
Source: http://staugustine.com/stories/100508/news_1005_025.shtml
I cannot wait. I, literally, work right next to the site at the StarPointe business park here at the WGV.
we'll be waiting a while on this one i'm sure.
Yup, quite a while. With all of the potential competition from the newly expanded outlet mall one exit to the south plus the St Johns Town Center and Avenues walk to the north, the development may be a few years off.
Quote from: Jason on October 07, 2008, 03:49:34 PM
Yup, quite a while. With all of the potential competition from the newly expanded outlet mall one exit to the south plus the St Johns Town Center and Avenues walk to the north, the development may be a few years off.
yes, those need to be fully built out, with no more room for expansion before another competition is built, in a rather benign location.
SJTC has plenty of room on the backside that backs up to 9A/295. You also have more space where dept. stores may go in at some point. It just makes sense.
It all depends on rooftops. These centers need at least 50,000 roofs in the immediate surroundings (within a 3 mile radius) to even think about breaking dirt. Retailers will not even look twice until they see some more residents in the area.
Basically WGV projects are dependent on the housing cycle coming back again. Fortunately for them (developers), WGV is a desirable place to live and Jacksonville is still going to experience strong population growth in the coming years.
Strong growth definitely, but not at the explosive rates these developers were banking on. At the rate the WGV area is still growing, I'd say we won't see any construction on the Esplande (or any evolution thereof) for at least 5 years. Could be a good thing for that area to stop and rethink the growth patterns and catch up on the infrastructure upgrades. A bit more density could easily be supported at that intersection and should be encouraged, IMO.
Well, hopefully I will not be working out here in 5 years. Wanting but not actively seeking employment in the Urban Core so i can have a smaller carbon footprint.
Just as long as they re-activate the Navy Blimp field, NLTA FRANCIS FIELD. It would be so cool to have met-life or another offering blimp rides from WGV.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: jacksonvilleconfidential on October 08, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
Well, hopefully I will not be working out here in 5 years. Wanting but not actively seeking employment in the Urban Core so i can have a smaller carbon footprint.
Haha, carbon footprint, you just want to go to lunch with the cool people.
That too.
These projects will hurt the outlets @ state road 16, and I95. Much needed tax dollars for the county will come from the Esplanade, and Lions Gate projects!
Quote from: British Shoe Company on November 30, 2008, 08:57:47 AM
These projects will hurt the outlets @ state road 16, and I95. Much needed tax dollars for the county will come from the Esplanade, and Lions Gate projects!
Yeah, check up on these, they are both on hold. Also, Macy's is signed with SJTC, not Esplanade, maybe an outlet.
Looks like restaurants, and retail are coming!
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 07, 2010, 10:33:23 AM
Looks like restaurants, and retail are coming!
What makes you say that?
The exit ramp @ IGP & I95 is the best in the county, thanks to Davidson. The commissioners, and the people who live at the WGV want retail, and restaurants.
British, I like alot of your posts, but its the best exit ramp? I nearly die on the off ramp every morning coming southbound. This really needs to be redesigned.
Look at the size of the Diamond. There is enough space to add loops inside of the diamond, which eliminates stop lights, and signs. 210 has a much smaller diamond, and that is why 210 & I95 is such a mess.
except that FL has pretty much stopped building loop interchanges...weaving poblems.
Not true. Look at the planned road improvements. The 2 loops will be inside the diamond shaped exit. Davidson had the intelligence to plan the interchange extra large so it would not become another 210/I95 cluster. If anyone who lives at the WGV does not like the interchange, move to 210, and have fun!
Move because you don't like an interchange? I mean seriously, you're this pathetic?
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 08:41:51 PM
Move because you don't like an interchange? I mean seriously, you're this pathetic?
You must live in the Northside!
GOD bless America!!!! please don't report me to the moderator Mr reednavy for believing in GOD.
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 08, 2010, 08:47:36 PM
You must live in the Northside!
That's another one of your pathetic comebacks.
Also, fyi, I live in Mandarin.
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 08, 2010, 08:35:03 PM
Not true. Look at the planned road improvements. The 2 loops will be inside the diamond shaped exit. Davidson had the intelligence to plan the interchange extra large so it would not become another 210/I95 cluster. If anyone who lives at the WGV does not like the interchange, move to 210, and have fun!
feel free not to believe me....truth is an Interchange Modification Report (IMR) that involves cloverleafs without sufficient lanes to avoid weaving movement problems won't be approved.
The plan has 2 loops inside the diamond. (Not going over existing roads) 9A & JTB's loops were completed recently, which means loops are still being constructed. The loop on JTB going east to 9A south from JTB (cost more) than the loops going north on 9A to JTB east, or west. Going over existing roads is more expensive.
Hmmm ... let's see, from what others have posted, "tufsu" works in the transportation business. "British Shoe Company's" transportation experience is ... having a driver's license?
Whom should I believe?
Did you mean a state ID. You must work for the Dept. of Motor Vehicles! It's against Government policy to divulge people's driving records. reednavy, report him!
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 08, 2010, 11:02:31 PM
Did you mean a state ID. You must work for the Dept. of Motor Vehicles! It's against Government policy to divulge people's driving records. reednavy, report him!
I'm not reporting anyone because your latest personal attack doesn't involve me, stupid, and doesn't qualify as a repotable offense per forum rules.
Nice way to dodge a question too.
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 08, 2010, 10:46:50 PM
The plan has 2 loops inside the diamond. (Not going over existing roads) 9A & JTB's loops were completed recently, which means loops are still being constructed. The loop on JTB going east to 9A south from JTB (cost more) than the loops going north on 9A to JTB east, or west. Going over existing roads is more expensive.
9A/JTB interchange has 4 flyover ramps....those don't have the merging problems that cloverleafs or "loops" do.
Note that FDOT is replacing the southbound I-95 to eastbpund 9A loop ramp (on the northside) with a flyover ramp.
The only merging issue at 9A and JTB is 9A NB to JTB EB, mainly due to Kernan's ramp being right there at the end of the 9A ramp.
Forgive me, I just recently came back to this thread... but the title of the thread is: "International Golf Parkway to become a shopping mall mecca?" and I'm not sure what the relevance is between the interchange/exit ramps and IGP being a shopping mall mecca..... ???
BSC hijacked it, so that's who the blame is upon.
Quote from: Duke on February 08, 2010, 11:18:46 PM
Forgive me, I just recently came back to this thread... but the title of the thread is: "International Golf Parkway to become a shopping mall mecca?" and I'm not sure what the relevance is between the interchange/exit ramps and IGP being a shopping mall mecca..... ???
In order to become a major retail/restaurant destination, the interchange must be improved!
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 09, 2010, 07:45:08 PM
In order to become a major retail/restaurant destination, the interchange must be improved!
That has very little to do with it. The WGV area needs to reach a critical mass of residences before anything big comes to that area. Until that happens, there is no true demand or need in that area, and they'll have to keep traveling to the SJTC or the outlets.
Who cares what they are building out there. The new Nocatee town center will be so much better then what they come up with out there anyway. The demographics of Ponte Vedra, Julington Creek area, and Palencia will make the Nocatee town center a huge success while the World Golf Village will be a disaster. Just one mans opinion, but I really think long term that project is DOA.
Julington Creek?
Quote from: reednavy on February 09, 2010, 09:55:31 PM
Julington Creek?
maybe because Racetrack Rd will get extended/realigned to connect directly w/ Nocatee Pkwy
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 09, 2010, 10:13:52 PM
maybe because Racetrack Rd will get extended/realigned to connect directly w/ Nocatee Pkwy
They'd need to widen Racetrack Rd completely first, between JCP and Batram Park, it is downright dangerous.
Except Nocatee as retail destination? Please, not in the next 10 years.
Quote from: donisarockiesfan on February 09, 2010, 08:51:08 PM
Who cares what they are building out there. The new Nocatee town center will be so much better then what they come up with out there anyway. The demographics of Ponte Vedra, Julington Creek area, and Palencia will make the Nocatee town center a huge success while the World Golf Village will be a disaster. Just one mans opinion, but I really think long term that project is DOA.
I95 North, and South traffic has tens of thousands of people who are traveling both ways through the County everyday, along w/ the Locals who use Interstate I95. The North and South traffic will not drive to Nocatee. They will chose the exit that is next to the interstate. I believe that a project at I95, and IGP would be successful. ___Not "I really think long term that project is DOA."
Quote from: British Shoe Company on February 09, 2010, 07:45:08 PM
In order to become a major retail/restaurant destination, the interchange must be improved!
The intersection at I95 & Philips Hwy hasn't changed much if at all since the opening of the Avenues Mall. I think the area seems to be doing quite well...
(US1, and I95) It's less congested now because of 9A. Think back before 9A. What about before I295.
Even if it was planned that way when the first (current) phase was built, but it won't be finished with the cloverleaf loops, thank God.
The Cloverleaf is one of the most deadly interchanges ever designed. While the effect is the same as the merge from JTB to I-95 North, an interchange lane which has cars weaving in and weaving out all in a short space. On a cloverleaf you have that same problem at expressway speeds. If you happen to be in a car heading up onto the interstate, from the time you hit the slab, until you must be fully merged is the length of the bridge. In this same short link, with freaking concrete barriers and a 20 foot drop on either side (confined), while accelerating and merging left into traffic, a 18 wheeler could be trying to cut into the same merging lane as he is going to exit after he crosses over the bridge. If he is going 60 mph and slowing down, as you are trying to hit 70, in the same space, God help you if for some reason you get blocked from entering that highway and have to suddenly slow down... SPLAT! CRUNCH! SMEAR! DRIBBLE! EEEEEEEK!
The flyovers at 9A and I95 or the looping ramps of JTB and 9A are wonderful by compairson, and the plain old diamond with stop lights at the bottom or top of the exit, are still best for heavy urbanized areas.
Isn't this something learned in transportation pre-K??
OCKLAWAHA
Come on now. If you live in Julington Creek and there is a shopping destination as good or better then SJTC and it is in Nocatee which one is an easier drive? Even with out widening a road (which I'm sure will be done) getting to Nocatee would be much easier. Ponte Vedra Beach residents ( which I'm sure comprise a substantial portion of retail dollars spent at SJTC) and Palencia residents certainly would choose Nocatee. Mark my words, we will see a high end retailer be an anchor in Nocatee's town center in the next 5 years.
Well no duh on the distance part, who wouldn't. However, see my statements in the Esplanade thread, as I don't need to repeat it. However, 5 years, you're smoking some awesome crack apparently.
Quote from: reednavy on February 17, 2010, 10:48:29 PM
Well no duh on the distance part, who wouldn't. However, see my statements in the Esplanade thread, as I don't need to repeat it. However, 5 years, you're smoking some awesome crack apparently.
donisarockiesfan is a newbie.
Take it easy on newbies.
It is OK to provide feedback.
That's what this forum is all about.
Try not to be argumentative, and sarcastic.
You wear the City of Jax logo proudly, use it wisely.
When is the IGP expansion supposed to start?
I drove over there yesterday looking for the site... Can't figure out exactly where they want to build. On the east side of Pacetti Road, (WG Parkway becomes Pacetti after crossing south of SR16) between Murabella and the current Publix Shopping Center, is a large vacant lot but it has a "Flagler Hospital" sign on it. Across the street (West side of Pacetti) there are several "FOR SALE - DEVELOPMENT" type signs. On 16 South of the highway and east of Publix, a huge lot labeled for development "SHOPPING CENTER". West of Walgreens on 16, where the new 4 lane portion is being finished, there is a large area that I don't think falls within WGV bounds, and could probably be developed if someone had deep enough pockets. Everything north of 16 is cow pasture, except for the future Beltway and the school properties, the same goes for World Golf Parkway.
When we finally get regional rail and/or commuter rail, access from WGV is going to be interesting, as the current road runs past the Airship Airport (NLTA FRANCIS FIELD) and right into the middle of 12 Mile Swamp. This is a beautiful preserve and if the road's are widened the animal kill rate will soar (it's already bad). Might as well gather the troops and gear up to force a system of fencing and animal undercrossings.
OCKLAWAHA
NE corner of IGP, and I95. Across I95 from the IGV
That parcel is already designed as another town center and is not close to the Publix or SR16. Since the roads and parking are mostly pre-built, I can't see Wal-Mart taking over??
OCKLAWAHA
I think a Costco would be a great fit for that area.
Heaven knows we need it. There's just not enough retail space around: http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2010/03/15/daily9.html
This is a big improvement over what WGV was when I moved out of it 5 years ago. All there was, was a Publix and like a few stores. Now there is commercial development and all these new shopping centers. It will beat the drive you had to do to get stuff outside of WGV. However I really dont think WGV needs all of that. Doesn't Jacksonville have enough shopping as is...
Heck no...............need more malls dude! You should have been in that area before WGV...........nothing but trees and farm land! Now there are following the path that Jacksonville took, concrete everywhere, naming streets after what was cut down..........yup...........civilization ya gotta love it!
Quote from: CS Foltz on May 04, 2010, 04:21:53 PM
Heck no...............need more malls dude! You should have been in that area before WGV...........nothing but trees and farm land! Now there are following the path that Jacksonville took, concrete everywhere, naming streets after what was cut down..........yup...........civilization ya gotta love it!
Between the trees, and farm land, there are a lot of affluent families ready to have a Costco, or BJ's. @ I95, and IGP.
Quote from: Mattius92 on May 04, 2010, 03:46:23 PM
This is a big improvement over what WGV was when I moved out of it 5 years ago. All there was, was a Publix and like a few stores. Now there is commercial development and all these new shopping centers. It will beat the drive you had to do to get stuff outside of WGV. However I really dont think WGV needs all of that. Doesn't Jacksonville have enough shopping as is...
You should consider going back.
For high end value shoppers, the WGV is a great location, and value.
Also retail, and restaurants are coming.
(FLUM) from Rural Silviculture to Mixed Use District for approximately 579.65 acres
In 5 years that I95, and IGP will rock!, and for you youngster's "it will hip hop"
OKAY BSC, I'll bite...
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WHAT?
WHEN?
WHERE?
HOW SOON?
OCKLAWAHA
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