There is chance of precipitation on Friday morning while temperature will be close to freezing.
Snow or no snow?
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/weather/
I would LOVE to see some snow but wouldn't bet on it.
I wish it would. Such a waste to be this freakin' cold and not be able to pelt somebody with a snowball!
My sisiter got mad a Florida during August a few years ago and moved to Loveland,Colorado.Now ready to come back.(though not the City of Jacksonville-more like north of Gainesville)
Point is,much talk about the 'dry cold' of the interior west.Well,today at noon in Jacksonville it was 45 degrees....and humidity: 30 %. Colder in Loveland....and much higher humidity.
We get to enjoy glorious weather on each side of a North Florida cold snap.And we don't have to wait until late April...or longer....for Spring.
I spent Saturday night out at the camp abut thirty miles west odf downtown.Tent camp.Big fire.
You can only imagine how cold is up north.
With wind chill easily below 0,in some places 20-30 degrees.
Cold cuts your breath.
I'm a Florida native that hasn't even seen real snow. Being able to make a little snow man in my front yard or have a snowball fight would be a first for me!
Jason, you gotta get out more! you werent here in 1989 when it snowed?
I was in Daytona. Caught a few snowflakes on my tongue but that is it.
I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but the lower atmosphere is simply way too dry right now to support anything. This next system isn't a guarantee, as models are backing off on developing it and it's intensity, and even then it'll take likely over 12 hours to get the air moist enough to support any precip below 5,000ft. I've been here since 2006 as a meteorologist, and I've never seen a dew point reading in the single digits here until yesterday. NAS JAX at one point registered 8, which was temp needed to reach saturation.
Even if it does, which I'm 99% doubting, it will last only a few short hours before changing to all rain.
Reednavy is always spot on with weather predictions. Honestly, if he says it, I believe it.
That being said, I hope he's wrong and we get snow!!!!!!
More likely any precip will be sleet or frozen rain. Ugh! Blast, where is global warming when you need it. My dogs love the cold, but this Florida boy hates it.
The only way it'll happen tomorrow is enough we can moisten up the atmosphere enough and get this system to wrap up. However, the current dew point is 14, and this last front shunted the typical GOMEX moisture well into the Caribbean. Hell, this front brought temps in the 50s to the mountains in Cuba and parts of the Bahamas.
If you want to see some snow, travel up to Nashville tomorrow, where they're expecting anywhere from 2-7 inches and single digit lows. It'll be so cold it won't be typical heavy, wet Southern snow. Instead it will be more like Northern Plains snow, the kind that is like powder and blows/drifts all over the place.
So..... If I were to boil a large pot of water for the next 3 days, I could potentially make enough moisture for snow??
If the pot was the size of the county, it is possible, lol.
Ehh,we should do what Chinese are doing.Make some artificial snow and I mean from skies.
http://www.nowpublic.com/environment/artificial-snow-china-closes-12-highways
Just turn on your lawn sprinkler if you want to see some form of frozen water:
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works for me!
I have done that quite a few times! Its great to see the dog trek out on the ice first thing in the morning!
I'd like to do it one more time if weather permits. Some sites are saying low-mid 20's a few more times this week, while others are saying we'll only have a light freeze.
I just go by the thermometer in the backyard. Usually if it hits 34 by midnight, game on!
We should have hard freeze tonight too.
It depends where you're at. At my house in Mandarin, we have only gotten down to 30, so thank God for the St. Johns River. If you're west and north of the river, you're kinda screwed, if south and east, a light to moderate freeze, but a hard freeze isn't as likely. We also have the urban heat island to thank somewhat on this side of town as well.
The kinda of freezes as of late are not the typical type you see frost form. These have been advective freezes, which means the cold air is brought down from higher levels and mixes to the ground by the wind. Winds above 5mph will keep chances of frost to a minimum, but can still have a hard freeze, as has been seen around town.
reednavy: can you replace tim deegan? that man is a complete idiot!
Just read the forecast guidance on the National Weather Service site, now it appears we may have another shot at frozen precip.....Saturday morning.
aka: frozen ice pellets, not snow.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on January 05, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
reednavy: can you replace tim deegan? that man is a complete idiot!
I'd love to. I'd rather drive a screwdriver into my ears than listen to his drunken/drug induced blabbering.
I'v meet Tim...not a good guy actually.
Rather dooshy
and Ima say no snow, no fluries. Just cold
While snow is not likely, the chances of any water on the bridges turning to ice is a possibility Friday morning.
I'm predicting fire and brimstone all day Friday, centered at the St. James Building downtown. Okay? Is it a sin to pray for such a storm?
As for Tim's apparent substance abuse? "JUST SAY NOSE TO DRUGS!!"
OCKLAWAHA
Reaper, If any of us catch you dumping water on the bridges on Friday morning we'll toss you off!LOL!
The places to go watch are where businesses haven't turned off their sprinklers and have made puddles in the road.
Watching people try to drive on the ice in 1989 is still one of my favorite memories. The body shop owners had a great 1990!
Im going to go dump buckets of water on my neighbor's cars esspically around the doors ^_^
Make sure nobody finds out.
Since I plan on doing it during typical duepoint hour no one will unless they are up at 3am (as I typically am)
And unless your neighbor reads this forum.
The ditch in front of my house was rock solid this morning and my car took 15 minutes to warm up.
Reed, any thoughts on the massive amounts of frost in my yard this morning? The most this season. Are the moisture levels going up?
They dont
The calm winds last night allowed for frost to develop, but I don't know if someone had the sprinklers on nearby or what at your house.
My area didn't have any frost, and I'm close to the river.
no frost in springfield.
Well they got quit a bit of snow in my hometown.
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Ugh..snow,snow,snow.
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To bad it was in the mid 40's this morning. Now you look like the nice neighbor who washed everyone's car for no reason.
Bos, From the news it looks like most of Europe is getting the same kind of awful weather as we are. Why more snow and cold further south than is usual. It is my understanding the the whole area west of the Adriatic has much milder winters than your pictures show even in the mountains. Ugh, indeed!
Looking at all of that snow makes me wonder if the HSR stuff is running normally? Last time the UK got snow like that, trains were catching hell trying to make schedules..........and they didn't!
Quote from: reednavy on January 07, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
The calm winds last night allowed for frost to develop, but I don't know if someone had the sprinklers on nearby or what at your house.
My area didn't have any frost, and I'm close to the river.
I'm in the rural area on the west side of St. Augustine. It seems that every time frost is mentioned, even for inland areas, I always get it. The area around me is fairly open and there are a multitude of natural wetlands surrounding me. I understand that the black body radiation on a clear night in an open area has a lot to do with the cooler surface temperatures meeting the already low dew point. And throw in the fact that I'm outside of the urbanized area further isolating me from more heat sources. I guess that's why I'm so susceptible to frost.
.... having a mechanical engineer, that turns out to be a psychrometric guru, in the next office can really help to explain things! :)
I consider areas between the river and the ocean, being a few miles from either, as semi-inland. They can see temps up to and sometimes more than 5 degrees lower than locations closer to the water.
Now that you mentioned the wetlands, that has a sizeable affect on your humidity levels.
Quote from: Dog Walker on January 08, 2010, 10:26:16 AM
Bos, From the news it looks like most of Europe is getting the same kind of awful weather as we are. Why more snow and cold further south than is usual. It is my understanding the the whole area west of the Adriatic has much milder winters than your pictures show even in the mountains. Ugh, indeed!
Yes this year is colder in Europe too.UK got some recored breaking temps.
Snow on pics is normal,not every year but not unusual.
Snow depends on city elevation so you coudl have 2 cities apart by 50-100 miles and major difference in snow accumulation.
Well they claim tomorrow we might get some flurries.
Will see.
Bos, I meant EAST of the Adriatic. Sheez! Need to get my compass points straight!
With the mountains right on the Adriatic does that area get lake effect snows when the wind is from the west or do the mountains block it. I have driven the coastal highway, which is quite an engineering marvel, from Dubrovnik north for the full length but shudder at the thought of driving on that winding road with ice and snow on it.
Us Florida natives have no idea how to deal with conditions like that.
You got to have lake to get lake effect snow.
Its snows,higher elevations naturally get lot more snow.My hometown gets snow here and there,where Sarajevo gets buried in snow (higher elevation).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Highway
Adriatic highway is buried depending on area but its mostly warm enough not to have snow.
But you have to watch for freakish winds they have in north Croatia called Bura,it can burst up to 120mph.You do not want to be a on a bridge when that happens. :-)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Maslenicki_most_02.jpg
And they got brand new highway built (now Croatia can enjoy being 60-70billion dollars in debt).
you don't have to drive Adriatic highway anymore unless you enjoy view....or want to kill yourself driving.
http://img4.indafoto.hu/8/5/14925_5e2020a9be8dde3fd1fdd77c4d3b9762/1437329_70bf8972efe0a98e86a209a5d6bc7feb_l.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A1_highway_%28Croatia%29
and people are bitching about roads in Florida.
This is paradise compared to those long,winding one line roads right next to cliff but great view on Adriatic. :-)
http://foto15.guru.sk/albums/SvadobnaCesta/jadranska_magistrala2.sized.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2348/1623832694_f9cf3572f1.jpg
But some parts are nice.
http://apartments-filip.com/slike/velike/mjesto/duce.jpg
I see you done driving on it,whats next?
Bungee jumping?
In rare occasions, but it has happened, you can get Ocean Effect Snow here. Happened a few years ago, I believe in 2006 in Daytone Beach.
Also a gulf effect snow to the southwest as seen in the elbow of the panhandle of Florida. But in all realities, I have a hard time calling it true snow, not to mention the minimal ground accumulation.
Boz, driving the Adriatic Highway was a blast! I was driving a friend's sports car. We had come over on the ferry from Bari. At some of the headlands you could see miles down the coast. If there was no oncoming traffic I could apex the curves and had really built up some speed when a couple of Josip Broz's national policemen waived me down and explained that the speed limit was 60kph and I was going much faster. The fined me 1200 new dinars on the spot, about 60 cents at the time and about the price of two shots of slivovitz. No receipt either!
For those of you not familiar with the Adriatic Highway: The mountains in that part of the world drop directly into the Adriatic Sea. There is almost no coast and the mountains are steep! The highway is literally cantilevered out over the water from the side of the mountain and follows every curve and indentation with almost no rise and fall. To say that is is winding is an understatement. It is quite an engineering feat and I think was almost the only easy way to get from one part of Yugoslavia to the other at the time. It is a rugged part of the world.
I guess you paid them round of drinks. :-)
It was great to be a cop in those days,you get good pay,all sort of privileges and then you charge people for speeding.
Now new cops are followed by cameras for lame version of "Cops" except no chases,most of time they stop people for broken taillights.
Dubrovnik is EXPENSIVE,ever since "democracy" arrived city have been stormed by rich people including Hollywood celebrities which raised prices thru roof.
No more cheep vacations to Adriatic like it use to be.
It WAS about lunchtime so that's what we figured too. When they first wrote down the fine it frightened me. 1200 of anything sounded like a lot of money, but then I did the conversion and had trouble keeping a straight face.....didn't slow down after the stop either!
At those prices, why would you?
In former YU,cops were cool and tolerated lot of things for small stuff but if you do something stupid then you are screwed,like causing accident that kills someone.
Unlike in US where you get pulled over and cops will all over you for little thing,in Yu it took lot more to piss them of but when you do...good luck.
And talk about Tito.He was player,he makes Clinton look like amateur. :-)
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Quote from: JaxNative68 on January 05, 2010, 04:11:52 PM
reednavy: can you replace tim deegan? that man is a complete idiot!
You're jealous of Tim Deegan.
"HU"
Tito made everyone look like an amateur. He was probably one of the best political players in the 20th Century. Guerrilla fighter against the Germans in WWII; he used the Germans against his rival political groups. Emerged as the head of the country at the end of the war. Held Yugoslavia together for decades by making deals across all of the rival ethnicities and giving limited autonomy to the states. Kept his independence by playing off the Soviet Union and the West against one another and taking aid from both. Yugoslavia was one of the most prosperous and open of the "East Bloc" countries. Lived the life of a monarch (with lots of beautiful women).
After his death, Yugoslavia gradually fell apart into the warring factions that caused so much chaos during the '90's. He was an original.
Yeah,takes a lot of skill to have breakfast in Moscow,lunch in Teheran and dinner in Washington DC on same day while smoking Cuba cigars and still be in good relationship with all.
Lots of natural talent and alive long enough to polish his political skills to a razor edge...........He was unique for sure!
Yep, really miss that ole Tito. If you want a neat, clean, well run country you have to break a few eggs. People behave better and are more productive when they are scared, don't they?
Yep! Great Secret Police organization, they were really productive!
And cheap speeding tickets.
Never been there, but I heard somewhere you could settle on the spot for speeding........any truth to that?
Only if you wake them up.
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Was only marveling at Tito's political skills, not how he ran the country. He was a repressive tyrant for sure and the break-up of Yugoslavia was largely a result of how he ran the country while he was dictator. Sure, he "kept the lid on" but that only results in making a pressure cooker that blows up.
Tito was mostly tough with Stalinists and ultranationalists.Stalinists are long gone after Stalin death,but ultra nationalist are still live and well.
After WWII,many Nazi supporters from Croatia and Serbia escaped country and found refugee in West.Apparently being against communist was more important then being Nazi.
western countries were accepting these people without any questions.
Today you have whole communities of these people and their children living from US all the way down to Australia.
You can run into quite a bit of these people,who were supporting Nazis back in 1945 and today are living here like nothing ever happened.
Some of their kids have forgotten and moved on but some are still running same old story.
Here is example from Australia,were they are openly displaying Nazisam and support for fascistic ideas from WWII.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/croation-mob-mars-first-day-of-australian-open-tennis/story-e6freuy9-1225820852193
Maybe Tito was right afterall.
This went from snow to Kosovo, Serbia, whatever talk.
Quote from: reednavy on January 18, 2010, 12:21:17 AM
This went from snow to Kosovo, Serbia, whatever talk.
suprised?
Hey!? That's where the snow was! ;D