Renovations Coming to Friendship Fountain
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After several years of a future of uncertainty, a plan for the revitalization of Friendship Fountain appears to be moving forward.
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It's named friendship fountain? I never knew this. Anyway, why does it need renovation? It always looked fine to me.
Aright! The design looks promising. I didn't see any small structures / kiosks for vendors are whatnot....perhaps those arle added later.
Reaper,
it's a whole lot of concrete currently. not very attractive unless you want to skate it.
I guess it couldn't hurt to green it up. the only issue I see with that is, how much would it cost to upkeep?
Glad to see they are keeping the fountain intact. Glad to see the concrete minimized, that is an obviously needed improvement.
Are the jets going to be fixed so that they spray to the original height?
This is a good first step. I hope the NEXT step is to get rid of the '80's motiff blue pole lights and replace the wood sidewalk with landscape/hardscape materials.
Also, I think the city needs to do an RFP for the MOSH site. That is a premium site that is grossly under-utilized. A high rise mixed use project should go there, that incorporates the musuem or move the museum to the River CIty Brewing parking lot area.
Quote from: vicupstate on November 23, 2009, 08:21:27 AM
Also, I think the city needs to do an RFP for the MOSH site. That is a premium site that is grossly under-utilized. A high rise mixed use project should go there, that incorporates the musuem or move the museum to the River CIty Brewing parking lot area.
I haven't been to MOSH in a few years, but the last time I went, it seemed like all the hands on exhibits were just.... run down. Some didn't even work. Is it still like that? Does it need a complete redo?
Quote from: vicupstate on November 23, 2009, 08:21:27 AM
Also, I think the city needs to do an RFP for the MOSH site. That is a premium site that is grossly under-utilized. A high rise mixed use project should go there, that incorporates the musuem or move the museum to the River CIty Brewing parking lot area.
How about moving MOSH to the Prime Osborn, and building a convention center there?
Are they really going to restore the fountain or are they just making changes to the park? When the fountain was working as designed it was really fantastic. It was a continual show of changing water patterns and light. Now it just sits there and squirts.
that's what she said.
Why not move MOSH closer to Kids' Campus? After all, it is predominantly a kids museum.
It would make no sense to move MOSH. It has a nice Planetarium and all where it is. There is space behind it so it can expand. It is a little cramped in there, but they have nice exibits and such.
fsu, that was AWFULly hilarious.
I'm excited for the renovation, but that whole area between the two bridges could be something more. I like vic's idea. I suggest buying out RCBC's lease and creating a comprehensive plan for those few blocks.
Too funny fsu813!
I'm also curious if the center jet will be brought back to life. Without it, a fountain that big seems pointless.
It's about time. The old girl needs it. Anyone know whether the spray will remain a dribble or will it dwarf all others and spray about 200 feet or so into the air? Would be good to see it gush above all others like it once did ("that's what she said?").
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seems like a waste of money to crack up a bunch of concrete on riverfront property just to replace it with grass Doesn't real make the fountain any more interesting or useful. Apparently if there's grass, its a play area, where concrete in the same space is just dead space. If there's nothing engaging to do in either - what's the point of the space?
They should fix the jets. The fountain was awesome once upon a time. All the waterworks on the Riverwalk in that area used to be pretty neat, too. Now it's like remnants of an old factory rusting all over the place. I don't think the concrete is all that bad -- why don't they concentrate on fixing the broken stuff first?
Unrelated to the fountain, but... I was in the museum this past summer for the film festival. We roamed around a bit. The museum is kind of a sad little place, especially after having been to Tampa, Chicago, New York... I know Jacksonville is none of those places but it would be nice to get a museum somewhat on par with the beautiful new main library.
Interesting fact: for an incorrigible college kid, Friendship Fountain is much easier to get into than it is to climb out of.
I went to MOSH for the first time earlier this year. The "Currents of Time" exhibit on area history is extremely well done and was in great shape. However, some of the older, permanent science exhibits were in fact worn-looking and/or not functioning.
Quote from: hightowerlover on November 23, 2009, 10:29:27 AM
seems like a waste of money to crack up a bunch of concrete on riverfront property just to replace it with grass Doesn't real make the fountain any more interesting or useful. Apparently if there's grass, its a play area, where concrete in the same space is just dead space. If there's nothing engaging to do in either - what's the point of the space?
If ALL they intend to do long term, is replace the concrete with landscape, that would be an improvement, but a disappointment. I agree that there needs to be more there to engage with, but all the concrete gives a cold, sterile appearance that is less inviting than what is envisioned.
It is a step in the right direction, but that's all.
That entire space between the bridges needs to be much higher and better utilized. I also think a Northbank location might be better for MOSH. Maybe it could be part of the Hogan's Creek project.
The current MOSH location is some of the primest land in the entire city, it is a total waste to have a low-rise, little used, non-taxpaying project there. Atlanta has a Children's Museum on the ground level of a condo tower. Something on that order should be in place of the MOSH-only parcel, if having MOSH on the Southbank is not negotiable.
The money intended for Metro Park should be spent on the Southbank area instead. Metro park is too isolated and distant from the urban core. That is a project for 10-15 years ahead when a Shipyards-type project is reality, not a dream.
I envision having a totally awesome Southbank (ie between the bridges) area with river taxis to a re-invented Landing, complete with an opening to the Laura St corridor. Laura Street could become be a retail corridor that intersects the Bay Street entertainment strip, and leads back to Hemming Plaza. This Southbank to Hemming 'strip' could be the crown jewel of the entire city if done right.
I am glad for now that the Fountain is off the chopping block. I want a great water spectacle but will be happy with a good water show and lights.
;D ;D ;D ;D
I'm SO happy to read this topic!
I don't know if the fountain will be restored to what it originally was, but I suspect it will be better than what is there today.
From the application:
QuoteApplicant is proposing alteration and maintenance improvements to both the site and fountain pump house. No alterations to the fountain are proposed; however, maintenance improvements are proposed. The improvements will support the Downtown Master Plan goals and objectives, and is one of the nineteen initiatives of the Downtown Action Plan. Friendship Fountain Park is an existing recreational facility with a prime location on the St. Johns River. The proposed improvements provide for alterations to the hardscape, landscape and pump house. The alterations include the removal of existing paved areas and provide new landscaping, decorative sidewalks, benches and lighting. Proposed maintenance improvements to the existing fountain include plumbing, water jets, lighting, controller systems, etc.
To see the actual application, click on link and select November 2009 Agenda:
http://www.coj.net/Departments/Jacksonville+Economic+Development+Commission/Downtown+Development/DDRB+Meeting+Information.htm
an aestherically pleasing venue in a nice location will draw events & people naturally....
I'm all for refurbishing of the fountain and I look forward to seeing in all it's former glory. But I'm not sure about the landscaping. It looks to me to contain a lot less functional space. I would much rather see funds directed towards the fountain and focusing on making that area a large outdoor cafe with kiosk type vendors spread around the area. The vendors would not only act as an additional focus along with fountain. But their space fees would help offset costs of maintenance and upkeep for the area.
I'm glad to see the renovation moving forward. At one time, Friendship Fountain was an icon of our city. I fond memories of visiting both the museum and fountain as a child.
I just want to the darn fountain returned to its former glory! As far as landscaping, just leave it all concrete and brick pavers with some trees thrown in. We all know the city will not maintain a large grassy area with lush landscaping the way it should be.
I used to love all of the "free range" chickens that used to run around there back then. That was before the office buildings went up around it. Very entertaining for a child.
i can't understand the content of the proposal? what specifically are the alterations to the pump house? Does anyone know?
incidentally, dinosaur jr recently showcased friendship park (the pump-house and adjacent vintage bits) in a music video.
I miss the chickens, too.
Also, those round benches proposed ( in the second to last photo) look eerily similar to the original "toadstool" benches bulldozed during the Godbold years. They: complimented other design elements aesthetically, provided both respite and shade, and were very durable. The blueprints still exist, so since we now again wish for chairs + shelter from the sun, why not "replant" a few amongst the new greenscaping.
(why is the pumphouse surrounded by trees in the new design?)
Being the resident old fart fat hippie on here so I'm your huckleberry for a comment or two...Quote from: JaxNative68 on November 23, 2009, 03:58:14 PM
I used to love all of the "free range" chickens that used to run around there back then. That was before the office buildings went up around it. Very entertaining for a child.
Chickens are very good, I like mine fried. Actually I think Jake took them with him when he left, I also heard he repainted his house Water Street BLUE! (HI JAKE, LIBBY SENDS HER LOVE!)Quote from: fsujax on November 23, 2009, 03:55:49 PM
I just want to the darn fountain returned to its former glory! As far as landscaping, just leave it all concrete and brick pavers with some trees thrown in. We all know the city will not maintain a large grassy area with lush landscaping the way it should be.
fsujax, shame on you man, we know the city WILL maintain this park at least as good as it takes care of street lights, sidewalks, and water mains down the middle of the streets of Springfield.
Quote from: stephendare on November 23, 2009, 03:44:39 PM
Also whats with the ongoing park plans that leave no covered space for people wanting outdoors without sunburn or daily rain drenchings?
If citizens want to be left to the tender mercies of the semi sub tropics they can already sit at the cities many bus stops.
Also I think its a great idea to reconsider building more active use into a complex with a new museum building.
About those bus stops Stephen, "If one of our citizens is poor enough, or dumb enough to ride our buses, he deserves our bus stops!" Yeah, lets replace that museum, (blink, blink) What museum? Did you see a museum here? I haven't seen a REAL museum!Quote from: thelakelander on November 23, 2009, 12:19:03 PM
I don't know if the fountain will be restored to what it originally was, but I suspect it will be better than what is there today.
Dang Lake, that really wouldn't take much, I mean a 5 year old child and a garden hose would be better then what is there today.
Quote from: Reaper man on November 23, 2009, 06:17:50 AM
It's named friendship fountain? I never knew this. Anyway, why does it need renovation? It always looked fine to me.
Somebody should have told you this Reaper, the whole place was named for finance commissioner Dallas Thomas, at least until he got caught with someone Else's money or wife or some such. We had to rename it and the name "Boss Hogg" was already taken.
This is funny as hell guys, but those grass pavers won't work in our soil. They do fine in Wisconsin or California or Oregon, but the sand will not hold the grass. We are going to end up having to re-re-pave the whole place with real concrete as some have suggested, the ONLY places those things will work in Florida is the few area's of a good silt or black pasture soil type. The grass must stay somewhat moist and not be allowed to dry as sand will in a couple of hours. Watering dry sand only creates washouts or in the event of grasses, the water runs off and the roots turn UP to reach the water laying on top of the soil. When the sun comes out the roots bake and bingo, sand pile. OCKLAWAHA
Son in laws two cents worth, make the pump house look like a light house. I think the kid has a great suggestion, what better for the future number 3 container port in the nation? God I love this stuff! REALLY!
OCKLAWAHA
Originally, you could walk up the spiral over the pump house for an "observation deck" view of the park. Today, the walk is gated closed. Is it in the plan to ever reopen this? Kids loved the spiral and it was a memorable feature of the park.
Any redesign of the park should accommodate gathering of people for themed festivals and outdoor events like runs and walks that currently frequent the place, not to mention crowds gathered for riverfront fireworks, boat parades, etc.
The big Southbank opportunity is to add a major park at the JEA/School Board land. The City owns JEA so it should be able to obtain favorable terms to acquire it for its portfolio. And with multiple failed attempts to develop the property and a lousy economy, JEA should be amenable to a favorable transfer value.
Just today, while walking through friendship park, a city worker informed me about how useful the gate has been in keeping the homeless from sleeping atop the pumphouse.
Quote from: choosing2disappear on November 24, 2009, 01:18:54 AM
Just today, while walking through friendship park, a city worker informed me about how useful the gate has been in keeping the homeless from sleeping atop the pumphouse.
Easy to fix. Close the gate from 10 PM to 7 AM. We can't let this problem ruin every amenity in our parks. We don't close roads because the homeless sleep under overpasses. By the way, on a recent visit to Treaty Oak Park on the Southbank, I found the homeless sleeping around the tree during the DAY! And, agressively accosting visitors for money.
Bring the chickens back. Also add peacocks I heard down in Miami they make good watch dogs. They could alert JSO when the homeless come around. :)
Quote from: stjr on November 24, 2009, 01:35:10 AM
Quote from: choosing2disappear on November 24, 2009, 01:18:54 AM
Just today, while walking through friendship park, a city worker informed me about how useful the gate has been in keeping the homeless from sleeping atop the pumphouse.
Easy to fix. Close the gate from 10 PM to 7 AM. We can't let this problem ruin every amenity in our parks. We don't close roads because the homeless sleep under overpasses. By the way, on a recent visit to Treaty Oak Park on the Southbank, I found the homeless sleeping around the tree during the DAY! And, agressively accosting visitors for money.
You make some excellent points, but it should also be noted that the gate truly doesn't deture anyone over 4 feet tall from climbing the pumphouse. Except of course, families and (supervised ) school childeren. As an obsticle, it works pretty well on them.
What would the the proper fourm for asking the city to get rid of it?
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 23, 2009, 11:21:35 PM
Son in laws two cents worth, make the pump house look like a light house. I think the kid has a great suggestion, what better for the future number 3 container port in the nation? God I love this stuff! REALLY!
OCKLAWAHA
don't we already have one fake light house in downtown Jax!
Some additional insight from The Daily Record:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=529653
^Sounds good. This Friendship Fountain issue shows the power of the public when they rally behind a cause. Three years ago, the city's plans were to demolish the fountain, which most of the community opposed. Now, there is a decent plan that improves the space and restores the fountain for a lower cost than the kiddie fountain concept. Kudos to COJ for listening to the community and developing a plan that preserves one of Jacksonville's most iconic landmarks.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on November 24, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 23, 2009, 11:21:35 PM
Son in laws two cents worth, make the pump house look like a light house. I think the kid has a great suggestion, what better for the future number 3 container port in the nation? God I love this stuff! REALLY!
OCKLAWAHA
don't we already have one fake light house in downtown Jax!
Hadn't thought about the mission, however of the two, I'll stay with the homeless. Otherwise lets build another one, this one "REAL". There are modern tripod type light houses, maybe something like that with a high observation deck and glass elevators above the original pumphouse? Bet it would become one of the most photograph intensive sites on earth.OCKLAWAHA
I'm happy they aren't putting in any covered areas, there are enough bum fights over the gazebo by the Landing. I like going down by the fountain and walking the riverwalk when it's cool outside but there are just too many dark corners and hiding places once it gets dark. I almost stepped on some guy that was sleeping under the bridge the last time I was over there.
As for the MOSH? I went there a couple of years ago and it was beyond pathetic. Almost every thing was non-functioning and the place really looked like it had been closed for months. Even the little aquariums and animal displays were empty and nasty looking. I wanted to ask for my money back but I kinda felt bad for them.
Quote from: JaxNative68 on November 24, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
don't we already have one fake light house in downtown Jax!
Yeah, and it's an eyesore. Then again, the entire church is an eyesore. ;p
The Daily Record article is a nightmare. Those fellas quoted seem terribly arrogant and have no sense of history. Clearly they view the pump house as an embarrassing eyesore and not (in earnest) as a cool, interactive design solution. Would a majority of citizens like the pump house to be obscured and made less accessible than it already is?
Personally, I wouldn't mind the pump house made more accessible to the public. It can be pretty interesting looking in those holes at all the equipment.
That last bit sounds like something out of a bath house with a glory hole, Lake.
Anyways, plan looks good to me.
Quote from: thekillingwax on November 24, 2009, 06:35:29 PM
I'm happy they aren't putting in any covered areas, there are enough bum fights over the gazebo by the Landing. I like going down by the fountain and walking the Riverwalk when it's cool outside but there are just too many dark corners and hiding places once it gets dark. I almost stepped on some guy that was sleeping under the bridge the last time I was over there.
As for the MOSH? I went there a couple of years ago and it was beyond pathetic. Almost every thing was non-functioning and the place really looked like it had been closed for months. Even the little aquariums and animal displays were empty and nasty looking. I wanted to ask for my money back but I kinda felt bad for them.
Those redneck cowboys in Oklahoma City, have the Omniplex Museum, It contains rail museum with full size train cars, Aviation Museum with about 12 airplanes, a restaurant, gymnastics hall of fame, naval museum, photography museum, science museum, Observatory, and botanical gardens. In all the Omniplex has maybe 10 acres under a roof.
MOSH has been an embarrassment to our fair city almost since it was built, though not through any fault of their own. The designers didn't have a clue how to design a museum and all of the effort was put towards "appearance" and not a bit went to functionality. For MOSH to be in a city of 1.3 Million people and still be hemmed in by park land and the tiny buildings after all of these years speaks volumes on how this city treats it's history, science education and to some extent (Amtrak for example) its industry as the poor step child. When that goofy building first opened there was a donation of a Cannon. Nobody thought that an antique cannon would ever go into our museum, nobody planned for such a thing, so there was not a single door, nor hardly a room that could accommodate it. Thus back tracking, the city had to come in and build the infamous "Cannon Door of MOSH," something taken out by the modest expansion.
I wish we were putting in covered area's, but I'd like to see a return of the mushroom shelters that matched the big circles in the pavement. When that place opened it WAS tomorrow land, at least until Disney caught up with us, now were so far behind little Orlando, that they can't even pick us up on radar. Quote from: Reaper man on November 24, 2009, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on November 24, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
don't we already have one fake light house in downtown Jax!
Yeah, and it's an eyesore. Then again, the entire church is an eyesore. ;p
Sounds like another genius that is too smart to believe in a God. Personally the plant of FBC is one of the few bright spots in downtown, with fountains, sky walks and plans for a playground. Perhaps the only resident of the city that followed any our the futuristic plans back in the 1970-80's era. "The Church" is not a building BTW, it is the body of believers, be they Christian, Jewish, or something else. Perhaps attending a sunday message in the church of your choice would allow you to see that these people (like them or not), have a genuine concern for their fellow citizens. We really couldn't ask much more. OCKLAWAHA
I have to say, the newest FBC additions are pretty much nicer looking than anything else built downtown recently. The new main auditorium that was built ~15 years ago is a bit plain on the exterior but the new kids' building is nice and the fountains outside are pretty welcoming. I need to get back down there have dinner on Wednesday night again. I haven't been to a service there since I left about 14 years ago but their food is awesome. We picked up our Thanksgiving food orders from their kitchen today and I already snagged a piece of their pecan pie for myself- it's amazing.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
Quote from: JaxNative68 on November 24, 2009, 02:59:30 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 23, 2009, 11:21:35 PM
Son in laws two cents worth, make the pump house look like a light house. I think the kid has a great suggestion, what better for the future number 3 container port in the nation? God I love this stuff! REALLY!
OCKLAWAHA
don't we already have one fake light house in downtown Jax!
Hadn't thought about the mission, however of the two, I'll stay with the homeless. Otherwise lets build another one, this one "REAL". There are modern tripod type light houses, maybe something like that with a high observation deck and glass elevators above the original pumphouse? Bet it would become one of the most photograph intensive sites on earth.
OCKLAWAHA
if it is designed right, I could buy into it. I used to love going to the top of the pump house as a child.
oh boy...
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PM
Sounds like another genius that is too smart to believe in a God.
Yuuuuuup. :D
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PMPersonally the plant of FBC is one of the few bright spots in downtown, with fountains, sky walks and plans for a playground.
Right, because only churches and other christian organizations build fountains, sky walks, parks, etc. Do you realize how much we could extend say, hemming plaza, if the entire FBC was removed outright? We could have our own version of central park!
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PMPerhaps the only resident of the city that followed any our the futuristic plans back in the 1970-80's era.
I wasn't here during that period (hell, part of that period I wasn't even born) so I'll take your word for it, even though it's a bit biased. Anyway, let's say it wasn't there. Don't you think some other organization would have stepped up? Also remember that all the city officials are FBC members(at least, from my understanding. By all means correct me if I'm wrong), so yeah, duh.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PM"The Church" is not a building BTW, it is the body of believers, be they Christian, Jewish, or something else.
Uh, way to spin my words around. Bravo. When I said the church, I was specifically referring to the FBC downtown, and no, they don't represent all faiths. If they did, they wouldn't be called the First Baptist Church, now would they? Do you guys represent Islam? Buddhism? Flying spaghetti monster? Didn't think so.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on November 24, 2009, 11:44:56 PMPerhaps attending a Sunday message in the church of your choice would allow you to see that these people (like them or not), have a genuine concern for their fellow citizens. We really couldn't ask much more.
fun fact: I was Unitarian Universalist before I became agnostic. I was a church goer. I came to the conclusion eventually that believing in any deity wasn't for me and I considered it to be a bit foolish after giving it some thought. Also, I still go to that church monthly, just not for the Sunday service. I belong to an organization called the First Coast Freethought Society (http://firstcoastfreethoughtsociety.org/cms/), and believe it or not, we care just as much about the city and the welfare of its citizens as you guys do.
How about this. How about you go to one of
our meetings (next one is in January though) and I'll gladly go to a church of your choosing.
Finally, what is the deal with you typing in all bold? I mean what is the point in doing that, really? By doing that, you completely defeat its purpose which is to
add emphasis.
reaper, you should have been here when Ock used a large purple font!
In today's paper, the Times-Union teased they were going to have a story about the Riverwalks and Friendship Fountain this Sunday. Have they been reading here?
I also am relieved they're not ditching the pumphouse for the fountain. I recall it being pretty impressive in its glory days in the 70s - the ramp to the top of the pumphouse was lots of fun, and I loved the viewing portholes to the pumphouse. Heck, I even remember when the city employees who maintained the pumphouse would spend time with the visitors and kids and explain how the stuff all worked. Very cool experience for a young kid.
I must have been learning about the USS Monitor when my parents were taking me there a lot - mom and I would go to Friendship Park and the kid's museum while dad tried not to blow his paycheck at nearby Brandon's Camera. For that reason the pumphouse always reminded me of the USS Monitor design, which somehow seemed fitting for a port city. Surely you could fit cannons into those portholes, right!? :)
And yes, bring back the chickens! ;D
Ugh - I'd rather see money spent to fix and cleanup Hogan's creek, than to fix the fountain. Littlepage has a good article in the Times Union that expands upon some great ideas. Spend the money in an area where we know neighborhoods are connected to it. I need to side with Springfield on this one, fixing Hogan's creek would be a huge boost to Springfield.
^It would also be a huge boost to DT and what's left of Sugar Hill.
I know this thing adds to the beauty of our city, but I've just never seen anyone there.
Wouldn't we be better off updating the boating facilities? One of Jacksonville's major assets is the amount of waterfront, however the access points are sad.
Quote from: BOfficer on January 12, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
I know this thing adds to the beauty of our city, but I've just never seen anyone there.
Wouldn't we be better off updating the boating facilities? One of Jacksonville's major assets is the amount of waterfront, however the access points are sad.
This
They should always be thinking in a river first mentality. Make the riverfront the focus of the city (beyond the landing) and build back from the river.
I like the idea of fixing it up and would hope that the improvements make a nice public space for the new residential towers to use...and maybe even get some of the office workers out of the drive thru and onto the streets for lunch. My daughter and I use that area all of the time.
That part of the river is an absolutely horrible spot for a marina. The current rips through there so hard that there are times that no one can dock or undock. The marina spaces at Berkshire and the Shipyards and Metropolitan Park are much better because they are sheltered from the current.
Quote from: Dog Walker on January 12, 2010, 01:58:09 PM
That part of the river is an absolutely horrible spot for a marina. The current rips through there so hard that there are times that no one can dock or undock. The marina spaces at Berkshire and the Shipyards and Metropolitan Park are much better because they are sheltered from the current.
On the Southbank, we should add the JEA property as a public space. A lot bigger at something like 40 acres as I recall. Could handle ball fields, playground, public gathering spaces, bike and jogging trails, a marina, riverwalk extensions, etc. Also, it's much closer to the existing residential towers as well as any that might be built on the Wyndham Hotel site (5 towers proposed at one time) and doesn't entail going under the Main Street Bridge.
Friendship Park, to me, is more of a "visitors" park like Battery Park in N.Y. A great place to take in the skyline view and soak up the City but not a good place to "recreate".
IMHO the fountain should be restored and the plans for the surrounding are seem pretty good to me. The JEA property needs to be reclaimed and sold so it can generate property tax revenues. Especially if the current courthouse/city hall annex sites become a COJ owned convention center.
Quote from: urbanlibertarian on January 12, 2010, 06:54:57 PM
The JEA property needs to be reclaimed and sold so it can generate property tax revenues.
Urban, consider that all the land surrounding a "JEA Park" would be enhanced, increasing its values, and generating the tax revenue you so desire. With a park, you are enhancing all the Southbank property values which should be far greater than the value of the park land itself. And, a park, providing a valuable and desirable residential ammenity, may actually accelerate successful development of the Southbank and its accompanying tax revenues than proceeding without such a park.
My point is a park may generate more indirect and quicker tax revenues than developing the park land directly.
Jax needs to put more thought and creativity into these opportunities. The old, knee-jerk, build and build fast on every empty lot or in place of any worn building has served us poorly over the years. Just look around.
STJR - As you can see, we are in a bit of a budget crunch, sell the property to the highest bidder and allow for a develper to build a 1,000 foot high building to make the residents of the area cringe everytime they see it. Really, just sell it, City of Jax cannot develop their way out of a paper bag.
Quote from: mtraininjax on January 12, 2010, 11:37:03 PM
STJR - As you can see, we are in a bit of a budget crunch, sell the property to the highest bidder and allow for a develper to build a 1,000 foot high building to make the residents of the area cringe everytime they see it. Really, just sell it, City of Jax cannot develop their way out of a paper bag.
Mtrain, indirectly, the City already "owns" the property through the CITY-owned electric company, JEA. All that needs to be done is to arrange a friendly "buy now- pay later" inter-company transfer arrangement at a bargain price (like the cost [book value] for JEA which should be a fraction of market value given how long they have owned the property and which would create no gain or loss to JEA for accounting purposes). The City can just "tax" JEA an extra amount each year to credit toward the "transfer" price. Whatever the price, it would be small change to JEA, especially if amortized over several years. No cash necessary.
Why even leave the property on the City rolls? Why not actively market it with a mix-use development? You can get your park, we get revenue from tax rolls and we have a win-win, so again, why let it sit on the city tax rolls as a non-performing asset? All the math back and forth from the City and JEA is bound to lose dollars, so why bother, get rid of it, sell it and move on to other matters. Nothing done in the shell game back and forth, behind closed doors ever works out in the public interest. You and I both know it. Sell it and be done with it.
"Run the City Like a Business".
It will be nice to see the fountain looking like this again.
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nice picture, lakelander!
Lake, do you know when this photo was taken?
Quote from: thelakelander on March 07, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
It will be nice to see the fountain looking like this again.
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It would be even nicer to see downtown looking like that again, especially if we had preserved more of those historic buildings pictured.
Wonder if putting River City Brewing on the "green" in the picture was in the public's best interest?
My guess is this picture is between around 1965 or 1966, whenever the fountain was first opened.
oh yes stjr...the parking lots on the river are quite a nice look ;)
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 07, 2010, 08:58:34 PM
oh yes stjr...the parking lots on the river are quite a nice look ;)
We've got the parking lot idea down to a tee.
When it was new, and working properly, at night, the lights in the fountain changed every few minutes, changing the fountain different colors...although I always like it best with no colored lights...just the sparkling water. The fountain had multiple spray patterns, and they would change pretty often. My favorite was when the middle column rose from the center. The pattern would have a shorter middle fountain, then the pattern would change, the smaller columns would start up, and the column of water in the middle would grow taller and taller. You could walk to the top of the pump house on the spiral walkway and view the fountain from the top deck.
Friendship Fountain was amazing in the 1960's. It should be restored to its original condition and configuration. It's a focal point for downtown. It's a shame it was allowed to deteriorate.
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Sell the whole damn area to the Miccosukee Tribe of Florida. Trust me, not only will they fix the city's budget woe's they'd bring in more development dollars in an hour then Jacksonville saw in the last decade. I wouldn't even suggest what they do with it, because they are quite able to make it happen with or without us. Talk about a "rope cable tram" to the stadium? Hell's bells, the Miccosukee, could string one to the beaches.
OCKLAWAHA ;D
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Quote from: futurejax on January 12, 2010, 12:01:51 PM
They should always be thinking in a river first mentality. Make the riverfront the focus of the city (beyond the landing) and build back from the river.
Wouldn't you say that they are doing exactly this? Friendship Fountain is on the river afterall...
Quote from: thelakelander on March 07, 2010, 03:33:03 PM
It will be nice to see the fountain looking like this again.
(http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/photos/460232187_XdErZ-M.jpg)
I had forgotten about the "green" next to the fountain. Seeing the picture brought back images of elementary school field trips to the fountain and bagged lunch on the "green". I used to love the cast-in-place concrete structures around the park and was recently telling a friend about them, but couldn't vividly remember where in Jax they were. Thanks for reuniting those memories. Personally I liked it better as a park than what it is today.
What year was this section of the park taken away?
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 07, 2010, 08:58:34 PM
oh yes stjr...the parking lots on the river are quite a nice look ;)
Well, Tufsu, that wasn't exactly what I was focusing on. ;) But, compare to today where all that parking has now moved around downtown and replaced grand old buildings. The downtown of then had focus and character, the downtown of today is more like a scatter-gram of ink blots.
And don't forget that the Main St Bridge's Southbank ramp is at grade, and not the elevated crap that exists today.
Reed, the reason for all the elevated approaches to the newer bridges is the 65' height requirement over the water. FDOT does not want to build or operated anymore opening bridges so they are building the higher bridges instead.
Bridges like Main Street and the Bridge of Lions don't have the real estate available to convert them to high bridges. Makes them a lot friendlier to have around.
I'm referring to the connection from Riverplace to I-95. It is unnecessary and ruins connectivity for the Southbank.
Quote from: reednavy on March 09, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
I'm referring to the connection from Riverplace to I-95. It is unnecessary and ruins connectivity for the Southbank.
Extremely true. That is the worst area. I have to drive through it everyday and it always makes me furious. The lights don't cycle well, it's ugly, and at night it just looks sketchy.
Got it! How right you are. They had to raise all that when they replaced the Old Acosta and Fuller Warren Bridges so that they could be high enough to not require a draw. Can make you feel like you are underground sometimes and does make a traffic mess. Ugly.
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 09, 2010, 10:35:30 AM
They had to raise all that when they replaced the Old Acosta and Fuller Warren Bridges...
Seems to me the Main St Bridge's Southbank ramp was elevated way before that.
Whenever it was done, I agree it's not very attractive or pedestrian friendly.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on March 07, 2010, 10:43:10 PM
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Sell the whole damn area to the Miccosukee Tribe of Florida. Trust me, not only will they fix the city's budget woe's they'd bring in more development dollars in an hour then Jacksonville saw in the last decade. I wouldn't even suggest what they do with it, because they are quite able to make it happen with or without us. Talk about a "rope cable tram" to the stadium? Hell's bells, the Miccosukee, could string one to the beaches.
OCKLAWAHA ;D
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You can't just 'sell' land to a Indian tribe. They can only build on reservation land. Nice try though.
This doesn't show much but this progress photo was on COJ's facebook page.
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Quote1st Annual Chillounge Night at Lake Eola Don’t miss this 1st annual outdoor lounge party with six truckloads of chic, South Beach style lounge furniture, artistically arranged at Lake Eola Park. An event which has already seen success in Tampa, Sarasota and St. Petersburg, promises to show Orlando the coolest way to chill. Chillounge Night provides a place to mix and mingle among the social crowds of Orlando and relax among friends while overlooking Downtown Orlando’s beautiful Lake Eola.
The event will take place on Saturday, February 27 and includes live entertainment by AJ & the Automatics and Opera Tampa, local vendors, cash bars, a runway fashion show organized by Roquois, a Cleopatra Parade on chic daybeds, a cigar lounge area by Santandres Cigars and a spectacular fireworks display by Creative Pyrotechnics. It also serves as a great opportunity for the Downtown community to come together for a good cause, with proceeds going to the Make-a-Wish-Foundation of Central and Northern Florida.
Buy your tickets today at a special rate of $15 online at www.chilloungenight.com. Day of event tickets will cost $20, and if you are looking for the full VIP treatment including an open bar, complimentary food and cigars you can purchase VIP tickets for $75. You must be 21 or older to attend. For more information on the 1st Annual Chillounge Night in Downtown Orlando visit www.chilloungenight.com.
http://downtownorlando.com/news/events/1st-annual-chillounge-night-lake-eola
I was invited to this by a friend who lives in Orlando... Wouldn't this be something cool to start on the new green area around the fountain once it's complete? It would be nice to have a monthly event like this to get people together to hang out with friends or even make new ones... and what better place than at Friendship Fountain... Awesome time with the skyline as the backdrop...
Maybe it could be tied in with Art Walk, have people taxied over via water taxi from the northbank where Art Walk takes place.
Great idea!
Quote from: videojon on October 05, 2010, 09:39:05 PM
This doesn't show much but this progress photo was on COJ's facebook page.
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Well I look at the progress from my jobs window everyday and they are out there everyday. Ive been trying to make out what they are doing and have no idea. However, The other day they were doing something to the fountain and I see they have the palm trees up.
I thought I saw some tall palms lined up while driving by the other day. Hmm, guess I need to stop and take some 'during' photos this week for myself.
Quote from: Dapperdan on March 09, 2010, 12:34:41 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on March 07, 2010, 10:43:10 PM
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Sell the whole damn area to the Miccosukee Tribe of Florida. Trust me, not only will they fix the city's budget woe's they'd bring in more development dollars in an hour then Jacksonville saw in the last decade. I wouldn't even suggest what they do with it, because they are quite able to make it happen with or without us. Talk about a "rope cable tram" to the stadium? Hell's bells, the Miccosukee, could string one to the beaches.
OCKLAWAHA ;D
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You can't just 'sell' land to a Indian tribe. They can only build on reservation land. Nice try though.
Uh yes you can. You have to sell the land from the city to the state government (or with state approval's straight to the federal level) then have the federal mandates it and convert into a reservation land for a tribe to acquire.
-Josh
Palms have been up for a few weeks now, went by yesterday and there was a crew inside the fountain painting it. Hopefully they can get this thing done soon.
Here is a recent example:
Seminoles plan tribal housing on land near LakelandQuoteLAKELAND - The rumors flew fast and furious when news broke in 2006 that the Seminole Tribe purchased 750 acres of pasture land here northeast of Lakeland.
Would they build a casino, neighbors wondered, on land in the Green Swamp?
Many locals have owned this land for generations, including 75-year-old Wayne Bryant, who was born 50 feet from the front porch he was relaxing in Tuesday afternoon. His family lived up and down Bryant Road growing lettuce, turnips, "anything green and good to eat," he says.
Their curiosity grew when large groups of Seminoles began walking up and down Bryant Road en route to their property, mothers holding their children's hands, in a procession led by Seminole police and ambulances.
In fact, the tribe is planning no gambling palace here, documents filed with the U.S. Department of the Interior show. But it does hope to build a housing development for tribal members, where Seminoles from throughout the Tampa Bay area can live together.
They are asking the federal government to take possession of the property and place it into trust for the Native American tribe. Tribal law experts say it won't technically be called a reservation, because it wasn't reserved for the tribe by the government.
Several residents said they'll welcome the Seminoles' development, as long as it doesn't create a flood of traffic.
"I can't say I'm against it," said Scott Heard, who has a family compound a stone's throw from the Seminole land. "Because I'd much rather them have it than have some developer build mobile homes."
full article: http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/04/041718/seminoles-plan-tribal-housing-on-land-near-lakelan/news-money/ (http://full%20article:%20http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/04/041718/seminoles-plan-tribal-housing-on-land-near-lakelan/news-money/)
Quote from: acme54321 on March 22, 2011, 10:28:46 AM
Palms have been up for a few weeks now, went by yesterday and there was a crew inside the fountain painting it. Hopefully they can get this thing done soon.
Oh ok. I was wondering what they were during inside the fountain.
Quote from: acme54321 on March 22, 2011, 10:28:46 AM
Palms have been up for a few weeks now, went by yesterday and there was a crew inside the fountain painting it. Hopefully they can get this thing done soon.
awesome! More palm trees in this climate that doesn't support them. Does anyone find a row of no-shade-producing palms more appealing than a southern live oak draped in spanish moss? The palm obsession is mind-bottling. This isn't a tropical island. You're not fooling anyone.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on March 23, 2011, 09:24:49 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 22, 2011, 10:28:46 AM
Palms have been up for a few weeks now, went by yesterday and there was a crew inside the fountain painting it. Hopefully they can get this thing done soon.
awesome! More palm trees in this climate that doesn't support them. Does anyone find a row of no-shade-producing palms more appealing than a southern live oak draped in spanish moss? The palm obsession is mind-bottling. This isn't a tropical island. You're not fooling anyone.
I am inclined to agree with you over the palm tree obsession. This isn't Miami, and Friendship Fountain isn't anywhere near the beach.
Oh well. At least they're fixing the fountain. Right? And tearing up all the pavement to put in grass, right? So some mayor ten years from now can make a big deal about putting in "paved Flex space" around Friendship Fountain to keep from having to maintain the lawn and the trees. (Remember Kids Kampus??)
I agree completely on the whole Palm overdose thing.
But...
Palms are cheaper to buy, and the result you get (of a grown tree in place, aesthetically) is rather instant. I'm certainly no expert, but I can't imagine oaks transplant too well and take decades to grow to any respectable height/proportions.
Palms are the quick fix in a quick-fix kind of world, IMO.
Might an abundance of fallen leaves be a problem around a fountain?
If you wanna see palm-overdosing, SC has you covered (its the "Palmetto State" after all). Downtown Charleston is ripe with em.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 23, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Might an abundance of fallen leaves be a problem around a fountain?
there's also the tiny problem of the massive roots oak trees develop
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 23, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Might an abundance of fallen leaves be a problem around a fountain?
and a potential problem for the fountain pumps and drains??
Quote from: tufsu1 on March 23, 2011, 11:53:14 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 23, 2011, 11:50:00 AM
Might an abundance of fallen leaves be a problem around a fountain?
there's also the tiny problem of the massive roots oak trees develop
I'm not recommending they put the thing IN the fountain. Perhaps I should rephrase: "anything but those freakin' palm trees."
I haven't seen them...are they at least native palms?
Quote from: finehoe on March 23, 2011, 02:21:20 PM
I haven't seen them...are they at least native palms?
Native Palm??
(http://www.palmspringslife.com/images/cache/d56ca75c48800b0ec9d541f3ce26a0e1.jpeg)
Oak trees are obsessed with the river banks, so they try to stick out their roots into the river bank. Imagine one planted in that area, and one root hits the river bank. The rest is history.
-Josh
Quote from: finehoe on March 23, 2011, 02:21:20 PM
I haven't seen them...are they at least native palms?
I have a few 'native' palms in my yard they can come and take for free if they want! Sable palms aren't exactly picturesque.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on March 23, 2011, 09:24:49 AM
Quote from: acme54321 on March 22, 2011, 10:28:46 AM
Palms have been up for a few weeks now, went by yesterday and there was a crew inside the fountain painting it. Hopefully they can get this thing done soon.
awesome! More palm trees in this climate that doesn't support them. Does anyone find a row of no-shade-producing palms more appealing than a southern live oak draped in spanish moss? The palm obsession is mind-bottling. This isn't a tropical island. You're not fooling anyone.
Sable palms are ABSOLUTELY native to this area and a signature tree species of the Atlantic Gulfstream climate zone we are in as are Live Oaks.
Quote from: Dog Walker on March 23, 2011, 03:58:31 PM
Sable palms are ABSOLUTELY native to this area and a signature tree species of the Atlantic Gulfstream climate zone we are in as are Live Oaks.
I should qualify myself again. climate does not support...lone palm trees, lined up with nothing but other palm trees, on a road or in a parking lot, in the middle of a lawn, etc etc. The palm trees here belong in diverse coastal forests that are made up of a majority other plants. Putting a palm in a park is about as effective as putting a telephone pole in a park.
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I like sables as they instantly say Northeast Florida to me. There were a lot more of them in those native forests and marshes when I was growing up. The best natural display was at the old and most aptly named Palm Valley Bridge on the western approach. FDOT/St. Johns County did a great job of annihilating the whole character and special old Florida charm of that area by clear cutting into the swamp an ungodly wide right of way around the new interstate style bridge. I am saddened every time I cross it as I recall what they destroyed. I was somewhat shocked that Palm Valley area residents never ushered a peep of protest about the loss of their signature landscape.
By the way, when northern visitors come to Jacksonville, being that it's in Florida, they expect to see palms of some sort. Those palms aren't for locals alone, they are for our visitors and their Florida photo souvenirs.
Quote from: PeeJayEss on March 23, 2011, 04:34:30 PM
I should qualify myself again. climate does not support...lone palm trees, lined up with nothing but other palm trees, on a road or in a parking lot, in the middle of a lawn, etc etc. The palm trees here belong in diverse coastal forests that are made up of a majority other plants. Putting a palm in a park is about as effective as putting a telephone pole in a park.
but do you realize that palms do not put out giant roots that tear up concrete and asphalt and have the ability to split boulders? Putting any sort of tree that puts out large roots, i.e. oaks and magnolias in particular, near a fountain is just stupid because one crack could cause a lot of damage.
I am worried that the fountain is something Hogan will see as wasteful.
Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
I am worried that the fountain is something Hogan will see as wasteful.
I see Hogan as wasteful!
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Quote from: JeffreyS on March 23, 2011, 09:43:46 PM
I am worried that the fountain is something Hogan will see as wasteful.
I see Hogan as wasteful!
There, I fixed your typo tufsu1
Quote from: stjr on March 23, 2011, 09:12:48 PM
The best natural display was at the old and most aptly named Palm Valley Bridge on the western approach. FDOT/St. Johns County did a great job of annihilating the whole character and special old Florida charm of that area by clear cutting into the swamp an ungodly wide right of way around the new interstate style bridge. I am saddened every time I cross it as I recall what they destroyed. I was somewhat shocked that Palm Valley area residents never ushered a peep of protest about the loss of their signature landscape.
More discussion of this here: http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,7189.0.html
QuoteI see Hogan as wasteful!
When will the hijacking of every thread end? Moran lost, get over it and move on.
I say lets blame First Baptist.
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 26, 2011, 09:54:47 AM
QuoteI see Hogan as wasteful!
When will the hijacking of every thread end? Moran lost, get over it and move on.
this has nothing to do w/ Audrey...its a commentary on Mike Hogan
It is kind of odd that I am being criticized by the guy whose slogan has been "is it 2011 yet" for years.
Palms are being overdone. Nice to have a few, but you need shade trees. Oaks and magnolias do have spreading roots (and magnolias grow slowly; oaks don't grow as slow as some think). Even Miami has been trying to plant an increasing number of shade trees versus palms. How about palms with a few crape myrtles thrown in (no crape myrtle butchering, however...they are trees, not bushes!). Don't know really much about their root system, however.
anyone have recent pics of the renovation??
There are pictures being added to http://www.jaxfountain.com/
Looks like palms are being added due to visibility issues, which makes sense.
Its looking good :)
It looks good. Thanks for the pics. I can't wait to see it lit up and running!
It is going to be really nice once they finish. Now I may actually go to friendship fountain :)
It should be nice... BTW... what color should the Do not skateboard, No alcoholic beverages, No fishing, No kite flying, No having fun sign be? 8)
"but do you realize that palms do not put out giant roots that tear up concrete and asphalt and have the ability to split boulders? Putting any sort of tree that puts out large roots, i.e. oaks and magnolias in particular, near a fountain is just stupid because one crack could cause a lot of damage. "
And NOTHING you can do can stop them!
We just spent thousands cutting through a 12" slab to remove a root that was jacking up the whole floor of one of my buildings. The two hundred year old Live Oak that put out the root actually pushed it under the 4' deep foundation up against the slab from 75' away. Took twenty years, but oak trees are very patient.
The worker doing the cutting hit a 230 volt sub-panel feed line too. Watchers said that his hair was smoking.
Look at the branches of an old Live Oak and how far they extend from the trunk. That's how far out the roots extend too.
I'm actually okay with the palms in this particular case. There are two areas with lots of mature oaks being saved and integrated into this park plan.
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Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 27, 2011, 12:32:01 PM
It should be nice... BTW... what color should the Do not skateboard, No alcoholic beverages, No fishing, No kite flying, No having fun sign be? 8)
So funny you would mention this .. My friend , who is a skateboarder is all upset because he thinks they are making Friendship Park Skateboard proof. :)
Quote from: Timkin on March 27, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 27, 2011, 12:32:01 PM
It should be nice... BTW... what color should the Do not skateboard, No alcoholic beverages, No fishing, No kite flying, No having fun sign be? 8)
So funny you would mention this .. My friend , who is a skateboarder is all upset because he thinks they are making Friendship Park Skateboard proof. :)
"You gotta' keep 'em separated"
Quote from: finehoe on March 23, 2011, 02:21:20 PM
I haven't seen them...are they at least native palms?
Looks like the answer is "no".
A skate park on the river would be cool...Lord knows we got the empty land.
Quote from: Timkin on March 27, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 27, 2011, 12:32:01 PM
It should be nice... BTW... what color should the Do not skateboard, No alcoholic beverages, No fishing, No kite flying, No having fun sign be? 8)
So funny you would mention this .. My friend , who is a skateboarder is all upset because he thinks they are making Friendship Park Skateboard proof. :)
Well they skateboard up under the main street overpass near Prudential anyway so they already have their skateboard park LMAO
Quote from: duvaldude08 on March 28, 2011, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: Timkin on March 27, 2011, 09:29:36 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on March 27, 2011, 12:32:01 PM
It should be nice... BTW... what color should the Do not skateboard, No alcoholic beverages, No fishing, No kite flying, No having fun sign be? 8)
So funny you would mention this .. My friend , who is a skateboarder is all upset because he thinks they are making Friendship Park Skateboard proof. :)
Well they skateboard up under the main street overpass near Prudential anyway so they already have their skateboard park LMAO
Why not make use of under the overpass... There are several major cities that have done this. Im not complaining, as it seems Jacksonville has finally started to build more public skateparks but it would be a cool idea and a great use of some generally useless space. Right there by the museum may be a bit cramp but there are plenty of other areas like that. Check out Washington Street Skatepark in San Diego.
http://www.washingtonstreetskateboardpark.org/images/gallery1/index1.php (http://www.washingtonstreetskateboardpark.org/images/gallery1/index1.php)
I love the new palm trees so far. When they get done here, can then move to Kid's park and fix the water park?
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 02, 2011, 09:49:48 AM
I love the new palm trees so far. When they get done here, can then move to Kid's park and fix the water park?
Umm, Kids Kampus no longer exists
Quote from: fieldafm on April 02, 2011, 10:25:21 AM
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 02, 2011, 09:49:48 AM
I love the new palm trees so far. When they get done here, can then move to Kid's park and fix the water park?
Umm, Kids Kampus no longer exists
Yup... all gone... Cannot even tell that it was once there. That said... looks like easier access to the fire museum.
Wonder how much was spent making Kids Kampus , and then removing it?
I've seen quoted $4.1 and $4.7 million to construct Kids Kampus and hundreds of thousands in repairs up until 2010. I can not isolate costs for the current "renovations" solely at the Kids Kampus cite.
sight...not cite (gee whiz)
Wow... a chunk of change.. and its all gone now.
I'm having beers with a friend................SITE.
Its all good.. I understood what you meant :)
Yeah, I couldn't believe the stunt Lil' Johnny pulled at the charette for Kids Campus. After the room was split into 8-10 work groups the mayor stood up in front and told us, "thanks for coming to the charette...this is how the city gets input from the community on how to best plan for our future. We all know the stadium area gets completely jammed when the Jaguars or UF are playing and we desperately need "flex space". We'd love to see a clear area where families can have picnics, fly kites, and chase butterflies. So in your design's remember we need the space..." Then like a bunch of fucking lemmings the groups dutifully fell into line and one by one swept the boards clean of any real improvements. Folks this is all the mayors doings, and probably at the behest of some buddy that owns a Chuck-E-Cheese franchise... We've been sold a bill of goods and Peyton is to blame for it... one more time the boy wonder leave's a legacy of dust... another field for parking.
OCKLAWAHA
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