List your ideas on how to give Springfield positive national exposure.
Contact television shows This old house, Renovation nation, one of the haunted house shows, Etc.
Contact Magazines National geographic, I know southern living is doing an article that includes Springfield.
balloon boy part deux
Ha! I don't know if I would call that positive
We need to put together a consolidated marketing group with the various professionals and talent that we have available in the hood (and nearby).
I don't know if I would call that positive ether
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
Here's a great one!
How about a Preservation Organization whose Executive director is actively working to demolish Historic Structures, and somewhere in the pursuit of this madness, begins to undermine the Historic Preservation Officer for the city that she is supposedly working with.
Meanwhile, a Developer who happens to be a major contributor to the 'historic preservation' organization leads an effort to drive the poor out of the neighborhood while purchasing properties on which recently demolished buildings once stood?
Even more meanwhile, the Historic Preservation organization decides to try its hand at personal life management on behalf of its neighbors and in the process tries to undermine the attorney working for the city who gave them the groundshaking opinion that people still have equal rights in the United States, no matter what real estate developers think otherwise.
Thats a pretty cool national story, and all of these obtuse and clumsy attempts at spinning the situation on the ground simply do not cover the nakedness of the emperor.
Hey Stephen,
Do you want to throw stones or participate in constructive dialogue?
maybe Mr. Dare can provide the hot air for the balloon? =)
but seriously.
a suggestion.
like someone said previously......
a simple packet of info with history, pics, references to positive reviews (GMA, SL, etc), neighborhood organizations' websites, commercial highlights, regualr events, and what the gaol for the future would do wonders.
the text and pics and info aren't hard to put together, that's easy. i'm doing something like that for the block captains right now. the part that would cost money is putting it together in a glossy format or booklet.
Yes. Most people know absolutely nothing of the history of Springfield and all the famous people who lived in the area. i.e. Chuck Williams founder of Williams-Sonoma and Pottery Barn!
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 03:18:04 PM
lol.
Hey guys! The I know we seem to be taking on water and all, but hey! Its the Titanic after all! We're famous! I don't know about you naysayers, but im writing a letter to my literary agent right now!
I bet theres a million dollars in speaker's fees alone!
Its all about optimism!
Hey.....where's everybody at?
Ive participated in positive dialogue about springfield for the past 10 years. And Im still participating in positive dialogue, untarded.
Enabling what is wrong and disfunctional isnt 'positive'. Its counterproductive.
I know but you're cranky today and need to go to the corner for 15 minutes ;)
Quote from: fsu813 on October 29, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
like someone said previously......
a simple packet of info with history, pics, references to positive reviews (GMA, SL, etc), neighborhood organizations' websites, commercial highlights, regualr events, and what the gaol for the future would do wonders.
the text and pics and info aren't hard to put together, that's easy. i'm doing something like that for the block captains right now. the part that would cost money is putting it together in a glossy format or booklet.
At one time there was a CD floating around that also had Springfield residents and business owners answering questions and talking about the history and positives of the neighborhood. There may be an old copy at the SPAR office or someone may have an old copy. Chris Farley?
I believe SPAR has an estimate right now for a new community video production. If anyone would like to make a restricted donation to fund it, just call 353-SPAR to get more details re: cost and what's included...
How about putting a packet together about how far we have come even in the current economic climate and sent it to washington as a success story. I'm sure the politicians would love to hear some good news for a change.
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 03:58:11 PM
donations to spar? Are you serious?
awesome.
Back to the corner! ;D
I believe Ring Power (A local company) has a large movie production division They might be willing to help
Here is a link to Ring Power
http://www.es-cat.com/
What type of web presence should this initiative have? Should it be run through SPAR or independently with the input of all neighborhood groups?
IMHO it should have positive input from all springfield residents that wish to participate not just groups
Phil Neary's house on East 7th Street was on "This Old House" (I believe it was that show). Phil and Joe did his kitchen and I think the kitchen was featured in it.
I'll ask Joe about it later.
Point is, we need to fix what isn't working right now and then we will shine very brightly. We have in the past and we will in the future.
Until then, it is just hype. National exposure right now wouldn't be very good.
sheclown that should be included in the neighborhoods resume.
Quote from: fsujax on October 29, 2009, 03:26:57 PM
Yes. Most people know absolutely nothing of the history of Springfield and all the famous people who lived in the area. i.e. Chuck Williams founder of Williams-Sonoma and Pottery Barn!
What's the story on this one? When did he stay and where did he live in Springfield?
Quote from: samiam on October 29, 2009, 04:13:46 PM
IMHO it should have positive input from all springfield residents that wish to participate not just groups
Agreed.
Let's identify and clarify the objectives of such an initiative.
Who is our intended audience and what is the message?
What resources do we need?
Who else can we approach to participate?
Phil Neary's house not what needs to be fixed
Quote from: samiam on October 29, 2009, 04:13:46 PM
IMHO it should have positive input from all springfield residents that wish to participate not just groups
I agree. We should try to tell Springfield's story, not just the story we want it to be. Include the Jimmy's, the pawn shops, the Dog Walkers, the beautiful houses, the lovely trees, the newbies, the old pioneers. It is ALL a part of Springfield's history.
Don't forget about Charles Ponzi and the Adam Walsh killer.
We need to get as much info as possible now, so when the time is right we are ready
I think Chris Farley has knowledge of a serial killer as well. Chris, can you confirm?
We were the "wild wild west" no sugar coating that.
The amazing thing is that the houses have seen it all. People change. The wood still stands.
There's a thread about it on SPAR's forum (the icky side of Springfield's history). Maybe someone could unlock the forum and retrive it for us.
YES! thelakelander people dig that kind of stuff (Charles Ponzi and the Adam Walsh killer)
Quote from: samiam on October 29, 2009, 04:26:59 PM
We need to get as much info as possible now, so when the time is right we are ready
If it's just historical information we want then we can just start a wiki (I've already thought about doing this). Chris Farley and Stephen could probably spend a year full time filling it with interesting historical facts.
However, if its a marketing plan we want then we need to formalize an initiative and define our objectives.
i think a broshure, booklet, pamplet, etc would be:
1) easier to produce 2) easier to view 3) easier to distribute 4) cost less
I think we need to include as much about the history, the ongoing renovation, the people make changes for the better, Etc, just to show what we have going for us compared to your average cookie cutter community.
I thought I read that Truman Capote lived in the house 3 doors down from me... Not sure if that is correct. I always hear rumors about the former residents, so I'm not sure what is true and what isn't. Always heard that we were the center of the winter season hollywood, too.
Quote from: sheclown on October 29, 2009, 04:29:30 PM
There's a thread about it on SPAR's forum (the icky side of Springfield's history). Maybe someone could unlock the forum and retrive it for us.
What's the thread called, because there's a great deal of discussions on that forum about our history
Quote from: untardedI think Chris Farley has knowledge of a serial killer as well. Chris, can you confirm?
Are you referring to Ottis Toole?
We do need to consolidate our history it seems to be spread out all over the place. It also needs to be posted for everyone to see
Ottis Toole lived on Market street between 1ST and 2ND at one time
Quote from: samiam on October 29, 2009, 04:57:40 PM
We do need to consolidate our history it seems to be spread out all over the place. It also needs to be posted for everyone to see
I'll look at some wiki software. Anyone have any experience researching the wiki apps available?
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 05:04:43 PM
ooo! ooo!
Heres a graphic for the SPARford Years! (2006-2009)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2681/4056740252_659151f327_o.jpg)
Thanks for your continued support and insight into our conversation. No ice cream after dinner for you. :D
Stephen, ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
Here's a great one!
How about a Preservation Organization whose Executive director is actively working to demolish Historic Structures, and somewhere in the pursuit of this madness, begins to undermine the Historic Preservation Officer for the city that she is supposedly working with.
Meanwhile, a Developer who happens to be a major contributor to the 'historic preservation' organization leads an effort to drive the poor out of the neighborhood while purchasing properties on which recently demolished buildings once stood?
Even more meanwhile, the Historic Preservation organization decides to try its hand at personal life management on behalf of its neighbors and in the process tries to undermine the attorney working for the city who gave them the groundshaking opinion that people still have equal rights in the United States, no matter what real estate developers think otherwise.
Thats a pretty cool national story, and all of these obtuse and clumsy attempts at spinning the situation on the ground simply do not cover the nakedness of the emperor.
That pretty much sums it up!
Stephen if your graphic for the SPARford Years becomes part of springfields history, so be it. ether way it sure is funny.
(psst...Stephen, you're going to get banned.)
Quote from: stephendare on October 29, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
Here's a great one!
How about a Preservation Organization whose Executive director is actively working to demolish Historic Structures, and somewhere in the pursuit of this madness, begins to undermine the Historic Preservation Officer for the city that she is supposedly working with.
Meanwhile, a Developer who happens to be a major contributor to the 'historic preservation' organization leads an effort to drive the poor out of the neighborhood while purchasing properties on which recently demolished buildings once stood?
Even more meanwhile, the Historic Preservation organization decides to try its hand at personal life management on behalf of its neighbors and in the process tries to undermine the attorney working for the city who gave them the groundshaking opinion that people still have equal rights in the United States, no matter what real estate developers think otherwise.
Thats a pretty cool national story, and all of these obtuse and clumsy attempts at spinning the situation on the ground simply do not cover the nakedness of the emperor.
Too farfetched.
No one would ever believe it.
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I'll look at some wiki software. Anyone have any experience researching the wiki apps available?
I have already thought about this and talked with Stephen about setting up a wiki dedicated to Jacksonville's history. I installed Mediawiki, the same software as Wikipedia runs on, and have setup the domains jaxipedia.com and jaxipedia.org . The wiki is located at http://jaxipedia.com/jaxwiki/ (http://jaxipedia.com/jaxwiki/). So far all I have had time to do is install the wiki software as I have several projects I am trying to get finished before the holiday season.
Stephen, you have legitimate concerns with SPAR, I get that. But you hijacked a thread where we were trying to be constructive and merely mentioned SPAR.
How about you start a thread titled 'Is SPAR the devil?' and go to town.
Would everyone at MJ who worked to get Rick Mullaney on board appreciate it if someone came into that thread and began calling consolidated government a Nazi regimist tool and started posting swastikas? I'm being facetious here but come on.
Quote from: untarded on October 29, 2009, 10:06:56 PM
Stephen, you have legitimate concerns with SPAR, I get that. But you hijacked a thread where we were trying to be constructive and merely mentioned SPAR.
How about you start a thread titled 'Is SPAR the devil?' and go to town.
Would everyone at MJ who worked to get Rick Mullaney on board appreciate it if someone came into that thread and began calling consolidated government a Nazi regimist tool and started posting swastikas? I'm being facetious here but come on.
agreed. I am all for hearing what others have to say but the constant bickering really devalues all of the hard work you MJ people done.
I can picture it now... wikipedia - Historic Springfield, Jacksonville, FL.... :contributions from Stephen Dare:
"Historic Springfield is the first established neighborhood in Jacksonville. Spar sucks, everyone should step down. I hate Springfield because Spar sucks. Spar really does suck. It's not that I dislike Springfield, I just hate Spar. But, the neighborhood sucks too, we have prostitutes and everyone is nosey and stuck up. Spar really bites. They tear down all the buildings. Spar should rot in hell. I don't like Springfield or Spar. We had a business there and rocked, but Spar sucks. Actually, Springfield I love. I just hate Spar, but Springfield is nice when you need a hooker or some crack. Spar is also great, when you need a building demolished."
::)
QuoteWho is it that wants to start up this project again?
I will volunteer the hosting space and will maintain the domain. Currently I have it on a shared account I use for development. I do have dedicated space I could make available on a few servers I have Colo'd. Like I said I have already installed the wiki software from our email conversation back in July, but have since been working hard on completing a few projects. If anyone would like to help configure the wiki, build a landing page or start on content let me know.
Stephen,
I sent you an email with the details for adding content.
vad en insamling av kollekt omen ledsen berort forlaren
Quote from: Springfielder on October 29, 2009, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: sheclown on October 29, 2009, 04:29:30 PM
There's a thread about it on SPAR's forum (the icky side of Springfield's history). Maybe someone could unlock the forum and retrive it for us.
What's the thread called, because there's a great deal of discussions on that forum about our history
I'm pretty sure I started the thread on SPARs forum and it is titled "Do you have a Springfield Story to Tell." There was a story in the last year in Jacksonville Magazine about a young girl who was murdered and it still remains unsolved this was a LONG time ago (the murder.) I'll see if I can dig it up.
Chris Farley is simply AMAZING and has researched a lot of information about Springfield's history and stories. She has Ottis O'Toole information, and he did live in Springfield for a time. . .renting a room somewhere. Chris is a walking encyclopedia filled with really interesting Springfield history.
I wrote this and lost it so I will try again
Chuck Williams lived with his grand parents at 1617 Liberty (it would be 1817 when he lived there). He was about 13. Shortly after that he went to California and was home less, but went to Sonoma and opened a hardware store and the rest is history. His grand parents were Dow and Leona Shaw, it is said he got his love of cooking and the implements by seeing his grandmother cook and look for the right utensils. The house itself is awesome. It was designed by Anton Nechodoma - look him up - Wayne Woods missed this one when he did his book. He left here shortly after doing this house and went to Puerto Rico where he became the father of prairie architecture. He blantantly stole Lloyde Wright's designs and some say improved on them He did a house for the Sugar King Roig. Williams was never married, he is still alive.
Mabel Purcell lived in the yellow house on the NW corner of 6th and Liberty. She was previously Mable Persons and lived on the 1600 block of Silver, Jennifer Godfrey restored the house. Truman Capote's name was originally Persons, Mabel was his grandmother. He spent some summers with her. When he was on Liberty he was almost killed by a car, he was chasing a ball. He and Chuck crossed paths here, they lived across from each other briefly it is understood.
Ottis Toole lived in many Springfield houses, he was a sometime caretaker for Betty Goodyear in between murder sprees. He met Henry Lee Lucas in a jax soup kitchen. He burned the Frazier house on East 2nd and deliberately killed a man therein. It is believed that he torched about 40 houses in Springfield. This was in the Spring Tour book.
These and other articles have been put in many newsletters and pamphlets.
The board of SHEC is building a web page telling the history of each and every house and our famous people. Rita has wonderful stuff in oral histories etc. What you are asking is already being done. There will be much history and timelines.
There is also a book being written about the famous murder that took place here in the 19th century.
There is much going on, there will be great stories told.
I hope I haven't posted the other one I lost.
You do not know the Springfield history, that was referring to the address. All North South numbers were reduced by 200 to make them tie in with the cross streets. Therefore 1617 was 1817, they used to count from State, but it was better that the houses above 6th - say - were 1600 numbers rather than 1800. The 1941 directories have both numbers. I did mean 1817 Liberty, that was when he lived there in the late twenties.
I bethought myself, I got off this contraption and then thought I had sounded pompous. I think the idea of this thread is great and I encourage all to do what ever can be done and researched. This is an amazing neighborhood and that is why I love Springfield. You all may come from a different tac than the one we are taking. We hope to encourage people to add to our website, we hope to find people that lived in the houses, sometmes many lived in the same houe but are not covered by the directories.
Sorry I think it is great what you wish to do.
Sam in Joel's office is doing a lot of searching also, she has helped me.
Here's Chris's website:
http://www.springfieldheritagecenter.org/
It is currently being revamped, we do hope to get a channel with every house in there.
I also left out of my posts that quite a few houses in Springfield have had media exposure, The Trautmann House on 5th W and the Bennett House on Market - it was once named as being in the top 25 houses in Jacksonville
I believe Truatmann's house was featured on "If These Walls Could Talk".
Yes you are right.
The Silent Film Museum in Norman Studios is coming along and I have been looking for silent movie stars (names given to us by relatives or from posters) that lived here. Trautmann is restoring the bungalow at 154 5th West - painted pale blue, well one of the movie names which came up was Margaret or Marguerite Gilmore. When she first moved into Springfield she lived in this house
OK we now have a spaceport and the new transit regulations things are looking good for Springfield as well as the entire city
It has been a wonderfull day today. Not only did I accomplish quite a bit of work on one of my houses.I met a nice couple moving from Fernandina beach today. The husband is an urban planner. The positive word is getting out
here are some cool video's I found on you tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sgH6ofg9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCxuZOKpy38
I drove around the neighborhood today and boy are things looking good. There was quite a few houses that have been in the process of renovation that look finished from the outside and an equal number of new renovations started. It looks like a wave of new owners is coming to Springfield.
there have been quite a few..... i know of 6 in the last 3 months personally.