It is still early, but it looks like they may have found that missing girl from Orange Park dead in a landfiill in GA. Words cannot express how I feel for the family . Who could do something like this?
Kill the bastard who did it. Anyone who would kidnap and kill a child in cold blood does not deserve to live, has no place in society, and is beyond reform/rehab.
Man, that really is sad.
I really hope that they can zero in on this person quickly, given the ability to pinpoint the landfill so fast.
Quote from: Doctor_K on October 21, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
Kill the bastard who did it. Anyone who would kidnap and kill a child in cold blood does not deserve to live, has no place in society, and is beyond reform/rehab.
Agreed.
Hang them upsidedown and skin that sick bastard alive.
I was thinking more like a nude tie down over the biggest damn fire ant colony we could find, a little honey in the right places and come back in a couple of days to see how he's doing!
OCKLAWAHA
So frustrating. So sad. I wonder if the President would have or still will make time to visit with the mother on Monday.
Quotegiven the ability to pinpoint the landfill so fast.
From what I understand, checking the landfills in the area is a standard procedure in these types of cases. I would imagine the authorities will be checking all the dumpster locations in the OP area, especially those that don't have locks on them, and hope that someone's security camera or someone in the area may have seen someone or a vehicle near one. I heard there is also a large number of identified sexual predators that live in the area.
I just hope they find the sick bastard that did this.
I heard on the radio today that it is standard procedure to isolate landfills specific to the area an Amber Alert is originated from. Apparently OP trash is carted to GA.
Hearing these stories so often can make a person jaded, but one that happens so close to home really hits hard.
I do agree that there is no reforming such criminals. They develope a demonic bloodlust that will never be quelled. Death is the only cure.
At times it seems a tortured death might provide for deterrence, but I doubt it. Just dead will suffice.
Pray for the family.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 21, 2009, 04:34:30 PM
It is still early, but it looks like they may have found that missing girl from Orange Park dead in a landfill in GA. Words cannot express how I feel for the family . Who could do something like this?
We have a lot of SICK people in this world. If this person is found and after a trial found guilty they should spend live in a cell till death. No sun light and no one to talk too, I know a lot will not like this but the Death Penalty is just wrong! Yes it was wrong that this person killed this child! But for us to say its ok for us to kill because the law says its ok is pure BS. For you Christians Jesus Christ was put to death wasn't this wrong?
Quote from: stephendare on October 21, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
I wish I could agree with you Jax Born, but on this one I cant.
Until you've lived through the murder of a child you cannot imagine the injustice and pain this act causes. Its the one crime that I think deserves immediate death as punishment.
(Immediate death as punishment) Lets see it took Ted Bundy 10 years to be put to death? So if this person is found unless he or she is killed in Jail it could take five to ten years for the State to kill this person? But if you keep them in a cell 24 hours a day, 7 days in a week, 52 weeks in a year, with no TV or radio and no outside people to talk to. I feel this would be the right punishment for a crime such as this one.
Now, I understand how big a story this is locally, and am truly sorry to hear about the latest developments, but this isn't the only news today. The local news has been carrying this as their only story and am somewhat annoyed that they can't even fit in the weather forecast.
Thank you!
Infact it's a bit sickening how the local news stations (or any media outlet) milk this story for ratings. it's awful.
it''s like they feed on human misery and fears.
Hell, they haven't even identified the body yet, what if in a messed up way it was Haleigh Cummings or something?!
Anyways, let them identify the body and all before you make this some giant story to where everything, and I mean everything else takes a backseat.
Ugh, I can't even imgain Nancy Grace right now, she is about as bearable as a jackhammer on a street.
Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 21, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
Quote from: stephendare on October 21, 2009, 09:19:05 PM
I wish I could agree with you Jax Born, but on this one I cant.
Until you've lived through the murder of a child you cannot imagine the injustice and pain this act causes. Its the one crime that I think deserves immediate death as punishment.
(Immediate death as punishment) Lets see it took Ted Bundy 10 years to be put to death? So if this person is found unless he or she is killed in Jail it could take five to ten years for the State to kill this person? But if you keep them in a cell 24 hours a day, 7 days in a week, 52 weeks in a year, with no TV or radio and no outside people to talk to. I feel this would be the right punishment for a crime such as this one.
Only if your willing to feed and clothe the bastard, thanks to labor, housing, security, food, water, etc... It costs a small fortune for each prisoner sitting in a cell for life.
The Greeks had it right all along, this bastards father should have taken a page from the gods and eaten him at birth. QuoteZeus ate his pregnant first wife Metis, goddess of wisdom, fearing their child Athena would be greater than himself. However, Athena later sprung fully armed from Zeus' head when Hephaestus split it with an axe.
In many nations, including my Colombia, if he got life, it's up to his family to feed and clothe him... My guess is, had this happened in Colombia, this wretched excuse for a human would shortly die of starvation or exposure. OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: reednavy on October 21, 2009, 11:43:50 PM
Hell, they haven't even identified the body yet, what if in a messed up way it was Haleigh Cummings or something?!
Anyways, let them identify the body and all before you make this some giant story to where everything, and I mean everything else takes a backseat.
Ugh, I can't even imgain Nancy Grace right now, she is about as bearable as a jackhammer on a street.
I can't believe it reednavy your RIGHT nancy grace is a Nut!
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives and that whoever did this to that already upset child will get some good ol' prison justice from the inmates. I do rather like the skin him alive suggestion...followed by a salt scrub.
Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 21, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
(Immediate death as punishment) Lets see it took Ted Bundy 10 years to be put to death? So if this person is found unless he or she is killed in Jail it could take five to ten years for the State to kill this person? But if you keep them in a cell 24 hours a day, 7 days in a week, 52 weeks in a year, with no TV or radio and no outside people to talk to. I feel this would be the right punishment for a crime such as this one.
In the meantime, it's going to cost money to shelter this bastard. And feed it, and clothe it. I will again bring in the argument that I, "as a taxpayer," would rather my money go towards any number of things rather than keep this piece of shiz (with a z) alive for any reason.
Public execution at noon. Televised. "This is what happens when you do this."
Quote from: Doctor_K on October 22, 2009, 08:37:47 AM
Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 21, 2009, 09:28:26 PM
(Immediate death as punishment) Lets see it took Ted Bundy 10 years to be put to death? So if this person is found unless he or she is killed in Jail it could take five to ten years for the State to kill this person? But if you keep them in a cell 24 hours a day, 7 days in a week, 52 weeks in a year, with no TV or radio and no outside people to talk to. I feel this would be the right punishment for a crime such as this one.
In the meantime, it's going to cost money to shelter this bastard. And feed it, and clothe it. I will again bring in the argument that I, "as a taxpayer," would rather my money go towards any number of things rather than keep this piece of shiz (with a z) alive for any reason.
Public execution at noon. Televised. "This is what happens when you do this."
I seem to remember an abduction/murder in Mandarin a couple years back. It turned out that a minor was the perpetrator. If that proves to be the case here, how should it be handled from a criminal justice standpoint?
Quote from: David on October 21, 2009, 11:40:41 PM
Thank you!
Infact it's a bit sickening how the local news stations (or any media outlet) milk this story for ratings. it's awful.
it''s like they feed on human misery and fears.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I guarantee if one of the local stations broke the pattern, they would be roundly criticized for not covering a local tragedy. Its a serious catch 22.
Also, I think that the ratings argument is a little bit of a misnomer. Are ratings important, when you are running wall to wall with coverage, you are losing ad revenue like crazy. So yeah, you can say "we were the most watched" but the companies who buy ad time are getting short shrift, and thats the only real reason ratings are watched, so that you know how much you can charge for ads!
The only way an event like this "helps" an organization is when that organization owns the event, and people see that. Look at Hurricane Dora. It effectively made Ch 4, and George Winterling a Juggernaut for the next 40 years in this town. It wasn't until CBS moved to 47 that Ch 4 came even close to losing its crown.
Count me in on the fear mongering going on... it's like the news station quietly hopes for stuff like this. I'm sure their rating have been through the roof.
I listened to the Sheriff's press conference yesterday on my way home and the line of questions were absurd. The Sheriff comes right out and says they can't give any information on the investigation and the first question is "can you give us any info on the investigation?" : /
The interviewer doesn't care if the info hurt's the investigation as long as they get the scoop.
I could imagine the Sheriff berating the reporter like a child.
QuoteI hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives
Wow! ???
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives and that whoever did this to that already upset child will get some good ol' prison justice from the inmates. I do rather like the skin him alive suggestion...followed by a salt scrub.
Why should children be mentally damaged for being CHILDREN. Certainly they all feel horrible, and will have to live with this memory, but to wish such hell on a batch of kids being kids. Lets hope and pray that these little ones can access counseling, and help to put this behind them. Frankly a smart ass remark could happen to any of us, we wouldn't want it coming back to bite us in the butt. OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 22, 2009, 09:54:08 AM
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives and that whoever did this to that already upset child will get some good ol' prison justice from the inmates. I do rather like the skin him alive suggestion...followed by a salt scrub.
Why should children be mentally damaged for being CHILDREN. Certainly they all feel horrible, and will have to live with this memory, but to wish such hell on a batch of kids being kids. Lets hope and pray that these little ones can access counseling, and help to put this behind them. Frankly a smart ass remark could happen to any of us, we wouldn't want it coming back to bite us in the butt.
OCKLAWAHA
Well Put Ock. I actually feel just as bad for the kids who teased her. Kids make dumb mistakes all the time. As a parent all you can hope for is that you give them the tools to recover from those dumb mistakes with life and limb intact. Teasing another child, while not good, its hardly deserving of life long guilt, and all of the other issues that will come with it, including an increased possibility of depression and suicide.
This story just sucks all the way around. Whoever did this, or any crime like it, deserves a special place in hell.
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives
That may possibly be the most horrible statement I've ever read on any forum in my life.
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives
ignorance at its finest
Quote from: buckethead on October 22, 2009, 09:20:15 AMI seem to remember an abduction/murder in Mandarin a couple years back. It turned out that a minor was the perpetrator. If that proves to be the case here, how should it be handled from a criminal justice standpoint?
I think you're referring to the Maddie Clifton case? The killer was her next-door neighbor, and I believe he is still in jail. Not sure if he was tried as an adult.
In his case he accidentally killed her, then panicked and hid the body. I don't think he turned out to be the monster we assumed he would be.
I am hoping that little Somer was the victim of some similar accident. I just hope she didn't suffer. Not that it makes it any easier for her family...
Quote from: hooplady on October 22, 2009, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: buckethead on October 22, 2009, 09:20:15 AMI seem to remember an abduction/murder in Mandarin a couple years back. It turned out that a minor was the perpetrator. If that proves to be the case here, how should it be handled from a criminal justice standpoint?
I think you're referring to the Maddie Clifton case? The killer was her next-door neighbor, and I believe he is still in jail. Not sure if he was tried as an adult.
In his case he accidentally killed her, then panicked and hid the body. I don't think he turned out to be the monster we assumed he would be.
I am hoping that little Somer was the victim of some similar accident. I just hope she didn't suffer. Not that it makes it any easier for her family...
that killing was not accidental.... he is serving a lifetime sentence
Quote from: stephElf on October 22, 2009, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: hooplady on October 22, 2009, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: buckethead on October 22, 2009, 09:20:15 AMI seem to remember an abduction/murder in Mandarin a couple years back. It turned out that a minor was the perpetrator. If that proves to be the case here, how should it be handled from a criminal justice standpoint?
I think you're referring to the Maddie Clifton case? The killer was her next-door neighbor, and I believe he is still in jail. Not sure if he was tried as an adult.
In his case he accidentally killed her, then panicked and hid the body. I don't think he turned out to be the monster we assumed he would be.
I am hoping that little Somer was the victim of some similar accident. I just hope she didn't suffer. Not that it makes it any easier for her family...
that killing was not accidental.... he is serving a lifetime sentence
If I remember correctly... the kid hit her in the head with a baseball bat because she wouldn't stop crying then stuffed her under is water bed in garbage bags. He slept on that bad until they found her a week or so later. Definitely not an accident.
^^ah, I had forgotten those details...or possibly overwritten them in my memory because they were too horrible. Thanks, I did not mean to misrepresent that case.
I was 19 working a bagel shop in Mandarin (just around the corner from her neighborhood) and I'll never forget her mother coming in to hang this missing child poster... she looked like a person that lived a lifetime of torture in a few days time. It was heart breaking.
I hate to get this off track while people are still mourning for poor little Somer Thompson, but here's a link regarding Maddie Clifton's murderer. He's appealing his conviction... http://free-lionel-tate.blogspot.com/2008/11/maddie-clifton-saga-her-killer-fights.html
When you look at Maddie Cliftons mom, or Somers mom, you see real pain, real remorse, real fear. It makes me want to slap the crap out of Misty and Ronald all the more.
Effing losers!
That's because Misty had something to do with it, and everyone damn well knows it.
I was surprised by the news at noon on WJXT (4), they actually broke away from the Somer story and showed other news and the weather.
I watch the news to be informed about everything, not the Somer story from every angle and then told over and over again until my ears bleed.
I know I'm sounding harsh, but it's reality, stop with the endless reporting until new details arise, it isn't that hard.This isn't the only story/news going on in this city today.
I like helping: For those who would rather not hear incessant coverage of any issue; do what the Ancient Greeks did.
Turn off the tele.
Quote from: Johnny on October 22, 2009, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives
That may possibly be the most horrible statement I've ever read on any forum in my life.
Amen >:(
Quote from: stephElf on October 22, 2009, 10:39:12 AM
Quote from: sandyshoes on October 22, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
I hope the kids that teased her and caused her to run away from her siblings feel lower than crap for the rest of their lives
ignorance at its finest
Seriously... how anyone could wish that upon kids who were just being kids is beyond me!
It was reported that Somer Thompson was "picked on by kids", at least one of whom upset her so much Monday of this week that she threw her backpack at him. Our school system has a program in place called Safe and Healthy Schools, to try to prevent "picking on", which the program considers "bullying". Bullying can lead to a host of issues, social and otherwise, for the victim. Do you recall that several years ago in another state a middle-school student took all the bullying (or "kids being kids") he was going to put up and took a couple of loaded weapons to school with him? There are two sides to every coin. Will you allow me, please, to apologize to everyone whom I have offended with my comment. Agreed, the kids who were "picking on her" (Times-Union's terminology) need counseling so that they can understand the long-term effects of what they have done so that they will not be destined to repeat it. I was a kid who was bullied and this is a hot-button for me. I do apologize again, sincerely, to all of you.
We all have our hot buttons and lose our judgment on those issues from time to time. Apology accepted. Thank you.
QuoteHang them upsidedown and skin that sick bastard alive.
Glad to see we have outrage over something. Dumping babies in a trash can may rate this outrage at some point as well.
Somer....RIP