Via FacebookQuoteI debated on whether or not to post this but here it goes: A woman was brutally attacked last Friday near Five Points around 8:30 by 3 men in a car (she was on her bike). The nature of the attack was completely random and it happened in our backyard! Please be EXTRA careful while walking to your cars at night. Also, if you have any information or questions please contact the JSO
This is awful and terrifying. I hope they catch these monsters.
Quote from: stephendare on October 13, 2009, 11:12:16 PM
And appropriately punish them.
In the meantime, girls need to be extra careful in the area.
Everyone should be careful.
Ugh, what an awful frightening story. Thank you for reminding me to re-ignite my street smarts. It sucks, but you really do have to watch your back. My heart goes out to that woman... :(
This is an unfortunate example of why it is NOT safe for Women to be out at that hour by themselves. I feel just horrible after reading everything that happened to her, and I hope the suspects are found and thrown behind bars where they belong. Preferably a tight cell with Men who don't take kindly to a Man, let alone 3 Men, laying even so much as a finger on a Lady.
I make it my responsibility to lend a safe walk to any female associates at my workplace, including customers, when it is dark out. I urge everyone to please use caution and street smarts when out and about on the streets. Are you going to do a little late night grocery shopping? Bring a friend with you, and please protect yourself.
Yeahhhhh, I'm just going to be thankful for our crackheads in Springfield, no one's been beaten with bricks and raped or been followed home from a bar and had their eyes cut out of their sockets over here.
Rape can occur in the DAYTIME too. Caution isn't jsut for night time.
Quote from: stephendare on October 13, 2009, 11:12:16 PM
And appropriately punish them.
In the meantime, girls need to be extra careful in the area.
Just like Asia said EVERYONE NEEDS TO WATCH OUT :(
Did this make any of the local news? This is the first I have heard of this.
didn't a woman get raped by a few guys a couple weeks ago in Riverside as well? or is this the same one....sounds like the same one, just different details.
Ofc Cullen is well, not the greatest with details. I had a run-in with him. I hope he can do a better job with this case, than with mine, so does the State Attorney. A judge's case was overturned in State Court because of his slopiness.
Heart goes out to the woman and her family. No one deserves that behavior.
the woman I'm talking about was under the influnce of drugs when she was victimized.....wonder if it's the same one....
It's frightening that an attack like this was carried out in the busiest part of the neighborhood during a busy night & time.
How can anyone be more careful when they're hit by a car while riding their bike and attacked before they even know whats happening.
Pepper spray?
Buddy system?
another reason I carry and why any female in my life Iv trained to combat shoot and whom I make carry a gun
Yeah, a gun would be a good deterrant. Just the threat of having one, should, should be enough to push a thug onto another target.
Quote from: mtraininjax on October 14, 2009, 10:24:03 AM
Yeah, a gun would be a good deterrant. Just the threat of having one, should, should be enough to push a thug onto another target.
and if it doesnt deture them, the first one to drop dead from a bullet wound will deture the rest.
"near 5 Points" can be many places. i'm guessing not one of the more populated / popular areas. Could be an alley. Could be an empty parking lot. Who knows.
Quote from: fsu813 on October 14, 2009, 10:31:25 AM
"near 5 Points" can be many places. i'm guessing not one of the more populated / popular areas. Could be an alley. Could be an empty parking lot. Who knows.
I'd like to know exactly where it was, and it sickens me that people do that to other human beings
I am not saying this didn't occur, but I have searched the local news sites and I can't find anything about this. It would seem something this horrific would get some sort of mention.
you would think
Quote from: fsu813 on October 14, 2009, 10:31:25 AM
"near 5 Points" can be many places. i'm guessing not one of the more populated / popular areas. Could be an alley. Could be an empty parking lot. Who knows.
Agreed but the immediate surrounding areas are heavily trafficked and you would think someone would've heard screaming.
As for carrying a gun… would you be able to get to it after being hit by a car? I’m speculating with little details but this seems to be a situation where having a gun might’ve made things worse. If the attackers robbed the girl too and in fact she couldn’t get to her gun / purse before the attackers… the gun could’ve been used on her and / or others in future attacks.
Carrying a gun while riding a bike and possibly doped up from drugs with the intent of shooting anyone that hassles you is not a good idea. Aiming that gun to shoot to kill might be a problem.
On the other hand, maybe this is part of a new scheme by gun advocates to encourage gun-toting cyclists. It certainly could deter road rage incidents. Lord, help us!
b/c all the facts have to be reviewed first. ya know, due dilligence.
Stephen, were the other 2 attacks in Riverside confirmed?
8:30 on a Friday night, 5 Points area is a beehive of activity. The outside dining area at Hovan's is right next to Grassroots Market and is always full of people at that time of the evening. Even the side streets are busy with traffic. Where exactly did this attack take place?
To further what TheKillingWax said, although I don't want to turn this into a neighborhood issue, I have a lot of friends who live in Riverside because it is "safe" while looking at my Springfield neighborhood with a sense of fear, this is a good reminder that any neighborhood anywhere one should use an excess of caution, especially in times of economic distress with crime rates increasing. Without a doubt this is a terrible crime.
Economic distress does NOT cause this kind of crime. Crime rates are decreasing according to FBI statistics.
QuoteCrime rates are decreasing according to FBI statistics
Not according to what the JCCI reported about the Quality of Life here in Jacksonville:
http://jcci.org/jcciwebsite/documents/2008%20QOL-color%20version.pdf
Crime rates are going up in Jacksonville.
Nope. I got nothing. I could have sworn that there was a woman under the influence of something that was using a payphone off Stockton Street that was jumped by a few guys, raped & beaten in an abandoned house, and walked to a store afterwards.Police suspected that perhaps the guys knew here from somewhere (drug activity). Perhaps a month ago. Maybe i'm dreaming.
Quote from: stephendare on October 14, 2009, 04:48:37 PM
The attack happened on Goodwin Street, not in Five Points proper, and the assailants used the car to hit the girl from behind.
:( I live on Goodwin. Sigh.
My heart goes out to all these victims. Its truely a shame.
This is some crazy stuff. I feel sorry for all of the victims.
Everyone be careful out there and look out for one another.
What comes around, goes around. These thugs may not get theirs immediately, but I'll bet even money we read about them as one of our future thugs in the Times Union reports. Once rape is not enough of a rush, they will graduate to more violent offenses. Sad, but true.
and this is why i have 9 shooter, western-movie style, in my house.
I have a double-barrel for upstairs (lock and load), and then looking for a Glock for more excitement. Could 1700 JSO carrying Glock members be wrong?
Quote from: stephendare on October 14, 2009, 05:10:12 PM
This was no simple rape. This was a harrowing act of violence.
There is no such thing as a "simple" rape and ALL rapes are harrowing acts of violence. Saying that they aren't does a disservice to other rape victims. It tells them, that because they weren't hit in the face with a brick, their experiences weren't as "bad".
Quote from: fsu813 on October 14, 2009, 05:16:46 PM
and this is why i have 9 shooter, western-movie style, in my house.
Statistially speaking don't most guns ...
1) get used against the owner (taken by the assilant)
2) the owner shoots someone that they did not intend to (mistaking a trusted person for an assailant/intruder)
3) gun is taken by a child and used to kill themselves or a playmate, etc.
Be sure these guns are properly stored.
This just makes me sick. :(
Finally made the T-U website... someone over there must be reading the blogs. Amazing that a story like this took five days to come out.
I am freaking out about this. I run three times a week down Stockton every morning before it gets light. Why have we not heard about this sooner from Times Union? Now we can't run or bike down our streets without a gun? Is the park safe to run? How can we combat this and make our neighborhood safe for ourselves and our children? We were robbed a week before Christmas and have been on watch since then but now we can't even walk the streets.
Terrible story, hope all victims can find peace. I wish them all the best in their recovery. Very sad!
Afghanistan isn't the only place that needs a surge.
Gotta carry a weapon these days. Have been mugged twice, once in Tampa and once here in Jax, at least the guys in Tampa were polite. Won't happen again
Nothing but a faint vapor of a "news" story in the FTU this morning, and in defense of the FTU (which rarely deserves any defense) officials have been tight fisted with the details.One hopes this is a strategic move related to on going investigations, rather than keeping a lid on provocative revelations.The most helpful insights generated in the FTU reader blogs referencing Metro Jacksonville so here I post for the first time-a "newby"!
Not new however to the decline and loss of once wonderful neighborhoods.....my once idyllic native North Miami now a slum.It would be unwise to stroll down the streets of my childhood.And sadly,I see the very same trends here,right down to the demographic profiles.(Excuse me for using the descriptive P word).
With Riverside/Avondale and Ortega being one of the last best places the pace of the conversion is slowed to a degree due to complex boundary between the 'good' and the 'bad' neighborhoods and the 'good' not so willing to release territory in a wave of "flight".Upon reflection however I now realize how many have 'fled' the area.This is something we must recognize.The subject likely not 'allowed'.
In fact,the area is not safe.This list of carnage during the past couple of years is long.The subject of lawful defense via firearm is vast- police officer friends assure me the presence of law abiding and knowledgeable concealed carry citizens has been a helpful influence.When it comes to "profiling" no one is more apt to "profile" than the thugs. To a large degree they do 'pick' their targets.
Quotethe presence of law abiding and knowledgeable concealed carry citizens has been a helpful influence.
No doubt... Welcome North miami...
uh....ok.
actually, the urban core has been improving, not getting worse, over the past decade.
QuoteIn fact,the area is not safe.
Would you care to back that statement up with something of more depth, other than careless words?
I don't live in North Miami, I live in Avondale, if I wanted to deficate on North Miami, I'd have some facts to back up my position as well.
Dear mtraininjax,
Perhaps my post and user name proved confusing:
I too live in Avondale.Lot's of involvement one way or another since 1979.Home owner.
This is absolutely terrible!!! I drive that intersection all the time. What is happening out there? My house in Avondale was burglarized last week (I wasnt home - and I now have a security system) and I am still in shock, but I agree with some of the other people posting - I think it is important to have a gun and know how to use it especially for women. I have never owned one before but have started doing research - does anyone have any suggestions what kind? where to buy??? I am torn between the glock 19 and a S&W revolver or maybe I should get both. thanks!
QuoteI too live in Avondale.Lot's of involvement one way or another since 1979.Home owner.
Great, like I said, why don't you provide facts to back up your, so far, baseless argument that the Riverside/Avondale area is, as you say "not safe".
QuoteI am torn between the glock 19
Lindsey,
Sorry to hear about your house. I've had an alarm for our house for 10 years, when it goes off, it is one loud son of a gun, screaming Intruder Detected, Intruder....miserably loud, especially if you set it off by accident. If you own a house without an alarm, you are rolling the dice for a future break-in. If I am a criminal, why break into a house with an alarm, when I can get into one with no noise? Dogs are also great deterrents.
The JSO uses all glocks. I am sure you know a few on the force, so a great resource for the Glock product.
Stay well,
Jack
Quote from: LindseyBallas on October 15, 2009, 09:44:39 AMdoes anyone have any suggestions what kind? where to buy??? I am torn between the glock 19 and a S&W revolver or maybe I should get both. thanks!
for home protection you should get a mossberg pump shotgun 12 gauge. Handguns are fine, but they aren't that accurate when you're heart is racing a million miles an hour and someone is trying to evade you. I also agree with my friend MTrain....Dogs, as someone who lives in Springfield I've never had a break in and neither have my neighbors and we both have dogs and they are really happy to see you when you get home. Go to Shooters on University and ask for Ray, he'll give you a good deal and get you something nice for home protection.
Karl - Good idea, the 12 guage is the perfect solution, besides man's best friend, for home protection. Even if its not loaded, a simple action of "Check-Check" on the shotgun is loud enough to tell the intruder, you mean business. A buddy of mine purchased a 12 guage for around 250 recently, so they are affordable, and fun to shoot, if you like shooting clay pigeons or more lively fowl.
I can not think of any sound scarier than hearing a pump action shotgun being locked and loaded in the dark. maybe a chain saw being cranked..but that click-click sound, coming from a darkened space would certainly get my attention, if I were a criminal, which I am not.
mtrain questions the observation that Riverside/Avondale is not safe yet generates 'hero level' flood of posts promoting home alrm systems and defensive weapons.
So far,as a newbie I am thinking that the metro forum will be of limited usefuklness.
"safe" is relative.
avondale is extremely 'safe', while the vast majority of riverside is 'safe'.
When criminals are mobile, there really is no such thing as completely safe. If they feel that someone "owes" them for their shitty life, they'll find someone to take it out on and what better place than where everyone feels so safe?
I also am a newbie and feel this is an odd conversation about which is the best gun. Someone already cited statistics on gun usage and as a mother with two small children this is not a practical or moral decision suited for us. I am more concerned about community policing and a sense of taking back our neighborhood so that I can, in fact, run, take my children for a walk and my husband can continue to ride his bike to work. I thought there was a police officer assigned to walk a beat at five points. Does anyone have more information about that?
the beat is much larger than 5 points. think it goes from 5 points all the wway down to the shoppes of avondale, if i'm not mistkane. rides in a police golf cart.
Why is JSO playing this cloak and dagger game? What ever happened to "Crime stoppers" citizen Phone numbers?
Why does JSO wan't to suppress info for several weeks while Neighbors won't be warned and on the Alert? It's pretty bad when the Goodwin crime had to be circulated around my Neighborhood as a rumor... >:(
This is hinting that they don't intend to work with the Public.
Quote from: larose5522 on October 15, 2009, 11:16:58 AM
I also am a newbie and feel this is an odd conversation about which is the best gun. Someone already cited statistics on gun usage and as a mother with two small children this is not a practical or moral decision suited for us. I am more concerned about community policing and a sense of taking back our neighborhood so that I can, in fact, run, take my children for a walk and my husband can continue to ride his bike to work. I thought there was a police officer assigned to walk a beat at five points. Does anyone have more information about that?
I wholeheartedly agree with this.
What we need to be discussing is more community watch programs. At 8.30 at night in five points somebody saw something but didn't care/didn't want to be involved. We are so caught up worrying about protecting ourselves we forget about protecting our community.
We can't rely on cops to protect us/be there at all times. Cases of police brutality and the prison industry breeds rapists and murders. And above all, let's remember this is another case of violence against women. As long as we promote media and advertising that depicts women as objects, women will be treated as objects.
I say this all knowing full well it could have been me, or any of my manyfriends that bike all around his area.. often times alone. Hell I'm throwing a night bike event on Saturday.
I want to know whether the community is actually going to step up and do something. Because I am all abou starting a network. Let's prevent this happening not only to ourselves, but to that person down the street we never met.
I saw this post on Facebook...sad. People are sick f**ks, and i hope they catch these bastards. >:(
Rape is one of the Worst Crimes, for that Person will never get over it. It will be hard to Move on but most do with a lot of help. I hope the JSO gets these guys and if found guilty in a court of law. Are given the longest jail time aloud
God really hope these guys would get caught, convicted and castrated.
Will bet you lots of money that the creeps who did this do not live in the area, but were cruising for a victim. If they lived in the area they would run the risk that someone would recognize them or their car. This could have happened anywhere from Ponte Vedre to Baldwin.
If they had known the area they would have known that where they were was a highly traveled street and not taken the risk.
MTrain and Karl - Thanks for your advice I will take note of what you wrote! appreciate it greatly. I look forward to getting my own great equalizer.
To the anti-gun lobby in the room, next time you post or reference "statistics" you should also post a source - that's kind of helpful to be considered a legitimate reference, furthermore that source probably shouldnt be a liberal anti-gun group... but an independent third party.
The San marco incident where a BK highschool student was assualted was referenced earlier, citing a possible link b/t the two crimes.
This just in:
Jacksonville police identify four teens in attack on Bishop Kenny runner
Jacksonville police have identified four teens in last week's unprovoked beating of a cross country runner for Bishop Kenny High School, police and the victim's mother told the Times-Union today.
Arrests of the teens, ages 15 and 16, are pending an investigation by the State Attorney's Office, the victim's mother said. She said she visited with a prosecutor Wednesday to pursue charges and was told to expect to be notified soon.
The mother said the attackers are known as neighborhood bullies by some residents of San Marco, where the incident occurred. She said her 17-year-old son suffered a head wound that required two staples to close.
"I hope they go right after them," said the mother. "What they did is not right."
Neither the mother nor the victim, a senior, are being identified by the Times-Union because no arrests have been reported. A state prosecutor who met with the mother said the case has been turned over to the office's juvenile division for investigation.
The attack occurred about 3:45 p.m. Oct. 7 in the 1700 block of Landon Avenue in San Marco.
The victim told police he was running with other teammates on an early release day when a car with four teens drove by them twice. The victim ignored one occupant's question of, "What's up?"
The vehicle stopped and one of the occupants got out and held the victim. A second occupant punched him twice in the face and the victim began to run. The second occupant caught him and punched him again. The others in the car then joined in the attack and taunted the victim by saying, "I thought you ran cross country. Why aren't you running?" a police report said.
A teammate of the victim's hit one of the attackers and was struck in return.
A nearby resident came out and scared the attackers off. One of the victim's friends ran back to the school, returned with a car and drove the victim back to the school. He was taken to a hospital for treatment.
The mother said her son returned to school the next day and continues to run for the team.
“He’s very motivated and nothing is going to stop him,†she said.
School officials said they are concerned about the attack and have reminded students about practicing safety. The school has also instituted a series of safety measures, outlined in a letter sent home to parents Friday. Those measures include the end of athlete runs in San Marco or any areas south of Atlantic Boulevard.
"The students’ safety is the most important thing,†said Sheila Marovich, the school’s director of development.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-10-15/story/jacksonville_police_identify_four_teens_in_attack_on_bishop_kenny_
On the gun question; if you are not going to practice regularly, get a hammerless revolver like a S&W Ladysmith. Even an ultra-reliable pistol like a Glock has enough moving parts that they are not as good for an inexperienced user as a revolver. And, don't forget the concealed carry permit.
This is absolutely nauseating. Regrettably, it's also the second rape in two weeks.
"Monday, September 21, 2009, starting at 12:45 am, a female was sexually assaulted by two unknown African-American males at different times and locations. The first assault occurred while the victim was using a pay phone near Mike's Grocery on the 2500 block of Edison Ave. The victim was grabbed by the first assailant and sexually assaulted in a nearby field. The victim reported falling unconscious for approximately 30 minutes. The victim did not provide any further description of the assailant.
Upon regaining consciousness, the victim began walking on Fitzgerald St. where she was forced into a vacant house by another unidentified African-American male and sexually assaulted. The victim did not provide any further description of the assailant.
After the assault, the victim walked to the Amoco on the 600 block of Stockton and contacted JSO at approximately 4 am.
The victim could not provide information about the suspects, could not identify the vacant house of the second assault and experienced difficulty answering questions asked by the reporting officer. The officer reported the victim was incoherent and had recently engaged in using illegal narcotics. The victim reported pain in her arm and the right side of her face and the reporting officer noted swelling on the right side of her face as well as dried blood under her nose.
The victim was transported to Shands for medical treatment and the case was forwarded to the JSO Sex Crimes unit. No suspects have been apprehended."
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I knew there another incident! This is the one I was talking about yesterday. I wasn't dreaming after all.
Quotehome alrm systems and defensive weapons. So far,as a newbie I am thinking that the metro forum will be of limited usefuklness.
Why wouldn't anyone have a home alarm system? Most companies give them away and the monitoring is 20 bucks a month. You also get a discount on your home insurance, so you probably save more with a system, than it will cost you AND you can feel protected. That was not a far leap now was it?
Defensive weapon is for when some narcotic infused melon-head breaks into your house at night and you want to remind him that not only is the alarm going off, but that he/she has a few seconds to make a life altering choice. If you have a guard dog, odds are the guard dog is mauling the melon-head before he/she gets close to you.
The old adage about Insurance is the same as these items, you don't buy insurance for today, you buy it for when you need it tomorrow. Roll the dice and go without insurance, sooner or later you will need it. I'd rather have these deterrents and not need them, than the alternative.
But, sometimes common sense is the least common thing.....
mtrain-
this am's comment continues to thread
Re;home alarm and defensive weapons-that you will recall was my comment.
I am long established CWP holder too. I bought a Kel- Tech back when they were only $250,many in stock and .380 ammo not scarce.
You have missed most of the points.
Metro jax sure is a busy drive by.
This newbie will pull over to the curb.
Out.
QuoteRe;home alarm and defensive weapons-that you will recall was my comment.
No actually, your comment here was that Avondale/Riverside was not safe. Something we don't need right now with all that is going on.
QuoteIn fact,the area is not safe.This list of carnage during the past couple of years is long.
People corrected you on this statement, asked you to provide statistics, you have not. Just that the neighborhood is unsafe. I find it to be a callous statement with all that has been reported recently, but that's my 2 cents worth.
QuoteNot new however to the decline and loss of once wonderful neighborhoods
Now if you want to go trash some point in the middle of the woods and discuss beer, I got no beef with that, but start trashin my 'hood without anything to back it up, you'll get my dandruff up. Remember, you are free to leave the so called once wonderful neighborhood for a shack in the middle of nowhere, anytime you want.
mtrain contd-
Indeed the list of carnage is long.This forum obviously not suited to in depth study or information display;so briefly- rising tide of unsafe is evident by,for brief for instance: Over 600 hundred persons attending special crime meeting in Ortega. Recent articles in the RAP and Resident News publications. Neighborhood block meetings and shadco.And certainly the wave of never before seen episodes in far southwest Avondale.
Why is it that the recognition of a trend and problem can not be accepted by some.Do you work for the Cahmber of Commerce??
I promise myself not to become a 'hero' poster on this.
north miami... I am sure I can speak for many when I say I have enjoyed your posts so far. I would encourage you to remain a poster. Sometimes these discussions come down to a one on one of posters with differing opinions but while it may seem afrustrating excersize you are actually providing a useful counterpoint to many who are just observing or do not "have a dog in this fight". :)
QuoteOver 600 hundred persons attending special crime meeting in Ortega.
That was at the Ortega Methodist Church, and the JSO did a great job of comforting and soothing all in attendance. The fact that ladies on Ortega Blvd were followed home from the Publix Shopping center by thugs who have now been caught, seems to have resolved "that" issue.
You mention that Avondale and Riverside are not safe, sorry to be a stickler, but you opened this can of worms and we're all mature adults here, I'm sure others who live in the confines of RAP would like to know the truth about our "once wonderful neighborhoods".
The fact of the matter is you don't know what you are talking about and you have no numbers to back up your talk.
Quotehave a dog in this fight
I can assure you my dog would have a big piece of you at my house if you broke into it.
Well, I hope the men are caught if they haven't been already (for the San Marco case). I hope they get life for what they've done.
Quote from: upthebikes on October 15, 2009, 12:03:38 PM
At 8.30 at night in five points somebody saw something but didn't care/didn't want to be involved.
Not necessarily. That particular block is surrounded by businesses which would be closed. The only residential unit within sight would be the garage apt. beside the Heth real estate office, and I'm not sure it's even occupied. The closest residential would be the Chelsea lofts and quite a few of those are empty. The best you could hope for would be someone driving through and unless it was happening in the middle of the street, most likely it was not even witnessed.
Dear stephendare & bridgetroll:
Thank you for the vote of confidence.I'll stick around!
Normally I would have resisted from discourse between two person audience in such a forum.
I too love Avondale/Riverside and have been engaged on many fronts,including the restoration of the southerly boundary of RAP and the location of my home-Fishweir Creek.
Indeed the North Miami experience has granted many insights and predictive capability.
See my posts todat re:Shands bridge.
I was honored with the coveted City of Jacksonville Mimi & Lee Adams award in 2002.
Onward-
Mike
I work downstairs from the realtor who was attacked by a hammer in her office at the beach. I'm originally from SLC, Utah, and the crime rate there is SO incredibly low.
I'm honestly quite unsure if I have developed any decent 'spidey sense' like abilities so I just try not to go anywhere at night (in 5pts, where I am) without someone with me. I also carry pepper spray with me all the time. I don't want to be ignorant and end up in danger. What are other good tips to stay safe?
I was really excited about closing on a house off Gilmore St. the first week in November. Then I read this post... Sucks..
Quote from: A-Finnius on October 15, 2009, 11:01:02 PM
I was really excited about closing on a house off Gilmore St. the first week in November. Then I read this post... Sucks..
You can't put your Head in the sand move on and Move in. If you don't Crime wins and we don't want that just be Safe.
^Agreed, Still planning on moving in and becoming active in the neighborhood.
Isn't there an organized neighborhood watch for Riverside?
What advice does JSO have for people? Should they carry mace? Should streets be better lit? Some streets of Riverside get real dark.
Speaking of the JSO -
It's great to be on a first name basis with local law enforcement officers.
It is also telling to see where they move to when they retire.
I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap from the pro Duval side of the room.
This is one of the times I'm glad I don't live in Jacksonville. I've never once not felt safe in my area in Oakleaf or when we lived in Fleming Island. We have families out with their kids at that time of the night here. While I understand that these crimes can happen anywhere, it just seems like they happen a lot more in Duval.
Regarding Oakleaf-
Indeed the area seems to have gone from wood lot to 'bad' in a short time.No doubt this will be taken as too negative,with calls for 'proof.
I had an associate who moved to Jacksonville from Ohio to be in the boat/marine business.He bought a place in Mandarin,and later moved Oakleaf.he had a 'for sale' sign back up before he had finished moving in........
Oakleaf came on line in a perfect storm-the age of 'no doc' loans.
Interesting perhaps to some to note that the Oakleaf devlopment,although ushered through a lengthy "environmentally sensitive" "growth management" process really represents classic sprawl that takes the luster away from designated "inner town" areas such as 103rd street.
And- most of the property was once held by the Trust For Public Lands,the former Gulfstream project property and smack dab in the middle of our regional water recharge area.
The 1900 acre Trust option lands could have played a more positive role for the region however only about 500 acres conveyed to the state Game Commission Brannon/Chaffee mitigation park....the Trust encouraged to release their grasp,the remaining lands swinging to local 'in the know" types who will be forever indebted to King/Horne/Thrasher and a legislative star alignment allowing for Brannon/Chaffee funding efforts,which in fact had been held up for good reasons by our very own previous, more curious and responsible Pajcic era Duval Delegation.
This is the short version.
Quote from: CrysG on October 16, 2009, 12:27:15 PM
I know I'm gonna get a lot of crap from the pro Duval side of the room.
This is one of the times I'm glad I don't live in Jacksonville. I've never once not felt safe in my area in Oakleaf or when we lived in Fleming Island. We have families out with their kids at that time of the night here. While I understand that these crimes can happen anywhere, it just seems like they happen a lot more in Duval.
If overall you feel safer why would someone knock that? I moved from Emerson to a gated condo community in Mandarin b/c the price was right... sure sometimes I miss being closer to the Urban Core but I get there several times a week anyway... anyhow, I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel safer where I am now. That being said, I used to live in Riverside and Sunbeam is about comparable to park & stockton in my mind.. I still have to have street smarts, it isn't crime-free.
I have family out in Fruit Cove in a nice urban sprawl community :D ... and well you do feel safer there. It makes sense that people want to move to areas they deem nicer... especially with children.
I am not in anyway disputing the value in grid-style, city, walkable living... I can say if I had little children, which I don't... I would feel way more comfortable with them biking around in the evening over in Ortega and Julington Creek plantation then I would in some other areas of town...
Right or wrong that's my perception.
Quote from: north miami on October 16, 2009, 01:55:05 PM
Regarding Oakleaf-
Indeed the area seems to have gone from wood lot to 'bad' in a short time.No doubt this will be taken as too negative,with calls for 'proof.
Huh? And, pretty much.
I'm glad I didn't do my hair that way this morning.
Quote from: RiversideLoki on October 16, 2009, 03:16:30 PM
I'm glad I didn't do my hair that way this morning.
I was thinking the same thing. ;)
Need to copy these photos and post them all over Jax--not just Riverside/Avondale. Post them in the other neighborhood forums too. Maybe we can help RAP get together a reward-- we can flush these guys out! Their friends in the 'hood will turn them in if the money is good.
We need to take back our streets.
Is it just me or does it seem a little strange that the artist signed his sketches of rapists like it was his finest work and to be placed in an art exhibit? I Googled criminal sketches and I'm not seeing many out there with a signature.... just thought it was weird.
On Monday, Oct. 12, I was walking on Herschel St. between Copeland and Osceola around 6:30 in the evening to feed the animals at my neighbor's house while they were away. They live five houses down from me. As I neared their house, two young women were walking towards me, from the 5 Points area. They stopped me and said they had something to tell me. A cop had just stopped them and told them to be careful because there had been a rape the night before, which would have been Sunday, on the next street over at about the same time of evening. Three men had chased her down on her bike.
I asked my husband if he'd heard anything about it as he watches the local news more than I do. He said he'd heard nothing. I checked online at the TU and a couple of local news station but found nothing. I continued to check but didn't hear anything until Wed. on 47 News.
Well, the date and time were off but turns out most of what I had heard from the young women was in line. So at least some info was put out in the neighborhood.
I've lived here for over 40 years and it does seem strange that no one saw or heard anything. Every time I used to walk my dog, I'd pass other people walking in that area at that time of night. Probably the fact that there are mainly businesses there is what gave them cover. Luck just seemed to be on their side. I seriously doubt if anyone had heard or seen anything that they would have failed to report it as this area is full of responsible people.
It always seems crime in Riverside is harped on for some reason. I think a lot of outsiders are jealous. From what I conclude, most crime that happens here is from people that live outside of our neighborhood.
The white collar crimes are committed downtown and in the suburban office parks! :D
Maybe I was misinformed yesterday but while I was out with friends one of them told me another woman was raped Friday night. I'm not sure if she said it was in Springfield or Riverside. Maybe her informant was referring to last week's rape? Has anyone heard about this? There isn't anything on the news stations or local media blogs about it. (Not surprised...)
There was another rape several miles west from Five Points on the 14th. The crime was unrelated to the one in Riverside and the suspect is already identified.
Nothing happened in Springfield.
Stephen - Thank you for the updates. I and my fellow citizens really appreciate it. Just watched the News4Jax and never saw anything on this, but with 30 minutes, there is weather, sports, and not enough time, I guess.
Any more news on the Chamblin sighting?
what is the chamblin sighting?
Quotea senior citizen in riverside
That criminal has to be one of the dumbest I have seen in a long while, he extorts his victim for $7, then she writes him a check for $50, which he cashes and the JSO nab him by following the cashing of the check. That paper trail will catch you every time.
Stephen - Where is the 3rd sketch?
I take it the individuals that were detained and questioned were cleared?
Quote from: mtraininjax on November 03, 2009, 06:17:46 PM
Stephen - Where is the 3rd sketch?
From what I have gathered, the victim could not provide enough of a description on the third person.
QuotePolice released three composite sketches of the rapists
As stated by Mr. Dare, I was wondering where the 3rd sketch is, as we have, to date, only seen 2.
Oh, sorry. I seem to have overlooked the actual wording there... :) my bad.
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"No rules, just right!"
Stephen, great work old friend... We all gotta do Medellin sometime, and I'll show you guys what great security looks like! Remember I told you where I live in my condo "In the Worlds Most Dangerous City," the violent crime rate is 1/6 Th of Jacksonville's.
I want to go back and address those who stated that guns were dangerous, and somehow immoral.
First, a gun of any type, from a BB gun up through the pistols to the infamous German 88mm Field Piece, are 100% safe, anywhere, any time. Proof? Take any gun, lay it in a secluded spot and someday after your dead and gone, come back as a ghost and check it out... Let's say that WAS possible. 10,000 years later, it's still laying right where you put it. Guns don't kill, PEOPLE kill.
Good gun control is knowing how to field strip your piece, how to clean it, measure, size and load your own bullets, and most important of all, HITTING WHAT YOU AIM AT. There are two methods to do this with a group of 3 -10 or more thugs. The first is a secure position, and ONE SHOT - ONE KILL, this tends to ruin their whole day. If the group is in a face off with you and your so out numbered or overpowered by their weapons, take careful aim at the most vocal one. You tell him, y'all might get me in a rush, but not before I make a canoe out of HIS HEAD. If they do run for you, KILL THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT!
Sorry if that sounds like a heartless old Vietnam Vet, and a Veteran of 20 years of very limited Civil War... (sort of). A PB&J sandwich, tastes just as good at your kitchen table as it does sitting next to the body of a dead thug. Hows that for respect?
RAPE is never about sex, it is always about power over a helpless victim, so by it's very nature it ranks alongside murder. THAT is the morality of these bastards, but it's somehow immoral to shoot them? Dear lady from several dozen posts ago, so you lay down and take the abuse because it's more immoral to shoot them then to surrender yourself to that type of violence? You said you had two children, what do you suppose these societal misfits are going to do to your baby's after one of them smashes your head with a brick?
OCK ADVICE: I too do not like the semi-auto pistols for my women friends, even the best of them have a nasty way to jam at a critical moment. Won't happen with a double action revolver. For a smaller build female, I would not go to 9mm, 45, or 44 cal. weapons. A 357 mag. or 41 cal. revolver is excellent, try before you buy, and MAKE SURE ITS NOT SINGLE ACTION (which when loaded can fall and discharge). Get a gun in these upper calibers in a weight just slightly above your total comfort zone, this will help compensate for the recoil or "kick up". Also note the longer barrel guns have a generally longer-accuracy range.
The 41's are not real common, but out in the California desert, I have used a pair extensively. As a fan of BIG guns, I have to admit, this is the closest thing to a perfect handgun as I've ever shot. The caliber is small enough that there is very little kick, really about like a 38, but the 41 mag, has a knock down force like dropping a house on your targets head.
Of course if we as an MJ group catch these scum sucking boy pero baramunda's, then y'all should know that Shooters, has the 1929 vintage Thompson, available for around $450. SWEET. Do y'all think it will go nicely with my 44 mag saddle rifle? I love cannons.
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So I attended a neighborhood watch meeting earlier this week. I asked specifically about this case because I haven't heard a peep from the media, local area, etc. They weren't able to disclose anything on the case, which I interpreted as nothing has happened due to my impatience to get this solved.
Has anyone heard anything?
Riverside, I was at that meeting too. As was stated there, these guys will eventually be caught. If they are arrested for ANY other crime, their DNA will match. What do you think the odds are that this is the only crime these rapists will ever commit? When they get one, they will get the others.
There was a raid on Ernest Street just across from the Quickstop the night after our meeting. Remember the Sargent telling us that narcotics was working on that area? Thank you, JSO.
Quote from: Dog Walker on June 25, 2010, 03:00:49 PM
Riverside, I was at that meeting too. As was stated there, these guys will eventually be caught. If they are arrested for ANY other crime, their DNA will match. What do you think the odds are that this is the only crime these rapists will ever commit? When they get one, they will get the others.
There was a raid on Ernest Street just across from the Quickstop the night after our meeting. Remember the Sargent telling us that narcotics was working on that area? Thank you, JSO.
What time was the raid? Good to see the additional support.
About 5:30PM. Didn't see it myself; report by another neighbor.
This thread is horrible. I always feel safer on my bike than walking or running and now what? Geez.
As for breakins...when I lived alone, I was told that a shotgun is the best for the home because you can just point and shoot in the dark and it's bound to hit the bad guy. A handgun might not be as effective for those who aren't as inclined to go for target practice. REAL police grade pepper spray seems like a good investment too.
Quote from: Burn to Shine on June 25, 2010, 04:12:54 PM............when I lived alone, I was told that a shotgun is the best for the home because you can just point and shoot in the dark and it's bound to hit the bad guy. ..............
It's an urban myth........you can miss with a shot gun. Even in close proximity. The flash and noise though will clear out a room of causal crooks. However shooting in the dark without identifying your target will often kill a firendly. Always ID your target.
For example, in my house the distances are not great. One of my 12g with 00 buck would shoot 9 each 30 caliber pellets in a group about a pie plate size at that distance, approximately 1 square foot. The doorway to the entry way is 4 foot wide and 7 foot tall, 28 square feet. A person is around 2 ft wide and 6 ft tall, 18sf. There is 10sf of entry to miss the bad guy in the dark. That's ignoring the 90sf of wall around the opening. You can miss with a shot gun.
It sucks to read about this kind of crime in the urban core. We have people who are trying to improve it, and then we have criminals who try to take us back two steps for every step that we take forward. This is discouraging, but I would like to know what the crime stats are for Riverside in comparison with other neighborhoods.
http://maps.coj.net/crimestatsdiscl.asp (http://maps.coj.net/crimestatsdiscl.asp)
Use this link, click on "Accept", zoom into the neighborhood you're curious about, and then click "Crime Stats". You can also adjust the dates in the righthand column.
Quote from: Overstreet on June 25, 2010, 07:23:48 PM
Quote from: Burn to Shine on June 25, 2010, 04:12:54 PM............when I lived alone, I was told that a shotgun is the best for the home because you can just point and shoot in the dark and it's bound to hit the bad guy. ..............
It's an urban myth........you can miss with a shot gun. Even in close proximity. The flash and noise though will clear out a room of causal crooks. However shooting in the dark without identifying your target will often kill a firendly. Always ID your target.
For example, in my house the distances are not great. One of my 12g with 00 buck would shoot 9 each 30 caliber pellets in a group about a pie plate size at that distance, approximately 1 square foot. The doorway to the entry way is 4 foot wide and 7 foot tall, 28 square feet. A person is around 2 ft wide and 6 ft tall, 18sf. There is 10sf of entry to miss the bad guy in the dark. That's ignoring the 90sf of wall around the opening. You can miss with a shot gun.
Yeah, living alone and someone strange is in the room...I'd classify that as an unfriendly. :) But I hear ya.
If you are gonna use a shotgun, it's highly unlikely that you can be discreet with it. So there's no point in staying in the dark. 9 times out of ten just the sound of racking a round is enough to make someone think twice about proceeding. I highly recommend a GOOD tac-light (I recommend surefire) with the capability to temporarily impair a target's vision. And you know if you're pointed at his face, you're probably not going to miss.
As far as penetrability, #12 to #8 birdshot is easiest on the walls with somewhat larger spread pattern. Some people recommend buckshot. But I think it's overkill in a situation like this and in an apartment setting is liable to blow a huge hole through your neighbors wall.
Did they ever catch these guys? I havent heard anything else about it in a long time......
QuoteDid they ever catch these guys? I havent heard anything else about it in a long time......
Not yet, and its a bit eerie with regard to it too! Muggings happen late at night around 5 points, and the JSO knows about it, but well...it is a big city.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-04-16/story/3-men-arrested-2009-gang-rape-riverside (http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2014-04-16/story/3-men-arrested-2009-gang-rape-riverside)
Looks like the 3 culprits have been charged in this case.
Two of them would have been minors if they had caught them back then - I hope they can be tried as adults now? Would make the victim's wait worth it at least...
Quote from: fsu813 on October 15, 2009, 02:04:26 PM
School officials said they are concerned about the attack and have reminded students about practicing safety. The school has also instituted a series of safety measures, outlined in a letter sent home to parents Friday. Those measures include the end of athlete runs in San Marco or any areas south of Atlantic Boulevard.
"The students’ safety is the most important thing,†said Sheila Marovich, the school’s director of development.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/crime/2009-10-15/story/jacksonville_police_identify_four_teens_in_attack_on_bishop_kenny_
Interesting, because they certainly do run in San Marco again. I see them all the time on my way home from work. I guess they've been lulled into a sense of security.
Glad they got caught, I hope we give them a most severe punishment if they are found guilty.