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 ;DBREAKING NEWS less then nine months in office President Obama has won The Nobel Peace Prize Hey RUSH put that in your OxyContin! God the glenn becks and the sean hannity's of the world have got to be spinning. I say spin baby spin, Obama may be sliding in polls here in the states. But the World has him as the savior, God Bless Mr. Obama and the Democrat Party!

Fox News is probably going to combust.

Quote from: copperfiend on October 09, 2009, 07:59:08 AM
Fox News is probably going to combust.

GOOD!

And Glenn Beck might cry again.

Quote from: copperfiend on October 09, 2009, 08:19:08 AM
And Glenn Beck might cry again.

glenn beck and bill o'dummy were on fox news last night and both are the worst. Anyone who loves fox news and all the idiots on this so called network you don't have A CLUE! But you have the RIGHT to listen to all there BS. :P

I'll have to listen to conservative radio today.  It should be good.

"The world has him as the savior".   Really? 

If someone could please enlighten me, what has he done to deserve this award aside from sharing the same political views as those who determine the recipient?  He has given some speeches about how he wants everyone to disarm their nuclear weapons.  Has he made any progress toward this goal?  No.  Has he shown any sign of stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons?  No.  But he's going to talk to them and ask them to do so nicely, which I suppose is peaceful.    I would think it a great honor for the nation if the man had earned this, but it is so transparently cheap and orchestrated as to border on absurd.  9 months a few speeches and zero tangible substantive results should not qualify you to be nominated let alone win.

I am now going to start my campaign to be the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize recipient:  I already have one of the two apparent criteria met:  I am not George W. Bush.

Next.. I will give a series of speeches in public places over the next year to anyone who will listen and tell them that the world needs to come together.  Our futures are interwoven.  Nobody can prop themselves up on the shoulders of others.  I hope for a day when nobody on Earth will have nuclear weapons.

I'll be waiting for my medal and my check for $1 million now guys... send it in Euros please.

Quote from: thelakelander on October 09, 2009, 08:29:54 AM
I'll have to listen to conservative radio today.  It should be good.

Oh yea.  It's going to be a circus.  Break out the popcorn!

Nothing more than the Euros taking a final swipe at Bush.

Quote from: DavidWilliams on October 09, 2009, 08:41:54 AM
Nothing more than the Euros taking a final swipe at Bush.

Good  ::)

Quote from: Tripoli1711 on October 09, 2009, 08:33:00 AM
"The world has him as the savior".   Really? 

If someone could please enlighten me, what has he done to deserve this award aside from sharing the same political views as those who determine the recipient?  He has given some speeches about how he wants everyone to disarm their nuclear weapons.  Has he made any progress toward this goal?  No.  Has he shown any sign of stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons?  No.  But he's going to talk to them and ask them to do so nicely, which I suppose is peaceful.    I would think it a great honor for the nation if the man had earned this, but it is so transparently cheap and orchestrated as to border on absurd.  9 months a few speeches and zero tangible substantive results should not qualify you to be nominated let alone win.

I am now going to start my campaign to be the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize recipient:  I already have one of the two apparent criteria met:  I am not George W. Bush.

Next.. I will give a series of speeches in public places over the next year to anyone who will listen and tell them that the world needs to come together.  Our futures are interwoven.  Nobody can prop themselves up on the shoulders of others.  I hope for a day when nobody on Earth will have nuclear weapons.

I'll be waiting for my medal and my check for $1 million now guys... send it in Euros please.

LOL ;D

Your reply confirms what I already believed to be true.  You have no substantive accomplishment you can point to in reply to my request to let me know what he has done to deserve the award.  This was an expected confirmation because the answer is nothing, yet you likely cannot be intellectually honest enough to just admit that.

The award is not being given based on any specific accomplishment (hard to do in only 8 months)...apparently it is about changing the international tone coming out of Washington, which clearly has happened.

The only thing this does is confirm how irrelevant the award is.

You may be right tufsu... however it confirms my earlier point made in jest.  The criteria for his winning was "He isn't George Bush".

Come to think of it, this is strikingly similar to the criteria that got him elected president in the first place.   :)

Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, "rejected the notion that Obama had been recognized prematurely for his efforts and said the committee wanted to promote the president just it had Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990 in his efforts to open up the Soviet Union."

According to CNN, "The president had not been mentioned as among front-runners for the prize, and the roomful of reporters gasped when Thorbjorn Jagland, chairman of the Nobel committee, uttered Obama's name."

I wonder if they really did him a favor.  Now, we will have to listen to snarky, sarcastic comments about this for the rest of his term.  I bet this will completely dominate the political and media scene for the next few weeks.  **sigh**

Obama is nothing more than a modern day Neville Chamberlain.

That is a weak analogy from Mr. Jagland.  By 1990 Gorbachev actually had accomplished quite a bit.  Perestroika was put forward by him in 1986 and really moved forward in 1987.  Glasnost was implemented in '87-'88.  Gorbachev hadn't just talked about doing things.. he had actually done them.  

what a traveshamockery.

In 1994 they gave the award to Yasser Arafat (PLO), Shimon Peres (Israel), and Yitzhak Rabin (Israel). They had just tried to make a peace agreement. It didn't take.

One main difference between Obama and all the others on the list,

http://nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/peace.html

........is that they worked on it for years and you could show a quantifiable event of series of events to explain the award. Obama has just made a lot of speeches over the course of 8-10 months. Is the world really safer or does the committee hope it might be safer?
.....or trying to create an outcome?

I don't know why people are saying "it's such a shock."  President Obama was nominated for the award before he was inaugurated anyway, as President-elect.  Therefore, he must have done something to merit the nomination prior to being President.

Nor is he the first or even second US President to receive said Award.

Jimmy Carter did plenty for 'the community' post-presidency.  He won it in 2002.  Theodore Roosevelt brokered peace between Russia and Japan ending the Russo-Japanese War circa 1905.  He won it thereafter.  Woodrow Wilson and his 14 Points and League of Nations idea in the 19-teens or early 1920s, post World War I.  He won it thereafter.

Strictly speaking on his previous positions, on what criteria was he nominated on serving in those capacities?  Good intentions make good deeds.  Is that the basis for his winning this Award?

Maybe his "apologizing for America" tour did have it's effect?

Lol, Obama is a little man child in Chicago according to Rush.

Rush just compared this accomplishment with the NFL awarding 0-4 Kansas City the 2010 Super Bowl trophy because their ownership means well and has good intentions.

I think it lends some important perspective to realize who makes this selection.  I know some people like to think this signifies that the world sees Obama as "its savior".

Whether that is or is not true, the Nobel Peace Prize is not foreman of that jury.  The committee who selects this prize is made of of 5 people appointed by the Norwegian Parliament.  I am unsure whether it is majority vote, but it probably is.  If so, 3 members of the Norwegian Parliament do not have the requisite authority to anoint a savior of the world.

Of the 5 members of the "Norwegian Nobel Committee" three are avowed leftists who share Mr. Obama's political leanings.  2 members are members of the Labour party in Norway.  As most know, the Labour party is close to our Democrats.  One of these Labour members is the chairperson, Mr. Jagland.  Since 1999, Jagland has been a Vice-President of the "Socialist International", a committee of sorts of all the socialist movements around the world.

A third member of the Nobel Committee is from the "Socialist Left" party in Norway.

Am I trying to call Obama a "socialist"?  No.  Not in this post.  What I am trying to say is let's see this for what it is:  This doesn't say the "world loves America again".  This doesn't say that the world is suddenly unaware that we are still bombing the shit out of people at this very minute.  This is a political endorsement by three appointees of the Norwegian Parliament who share Mr. Obama's political world-view.  

A British opinion: "this year’s Nobel peace prize to President Obama will be met with widespread incredulity, consternation in many capitals and probably deep embarrassment by the President himself.

Rarely has an award had such an obvious political and partisan intent. It was clearly seen by the Norwegian Nobel committee as a way of expressing European gratitude for an end to the Bush Administration, approval for the election of America’s first black president and hope that Washington will honour its promise to re-engage with the world.

Instead, the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace. "

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6867711.ece

SDare, that was far less thought out and substantive than your normal posts.  Keep it cool.

Let's get one thing out of the way: I am as American and damn proud of it as anyone could ever hope to be. 

My point is simply that this is a transparent political job.  Nothing more and nothing less.  The man has done nothing but give speeches and talk about what he would like to do.  Is this a change in tone from Washington?  I guess... but I do not recall Bush openly advocating for nuclear proliferation.  Substantively, the man has done zero substantively to advance the cause of world peace.  As I said before, I would be very proud if an American president had actually earned the award.  If Ronald Reagan had been elected 9 months ago, done nothing substantive, simply made speeches and given vision, and a committee appointed by a foreign parliament, sitting with a majority who are ideological brothers with Regan gave him the prize.. I would call that a transparent political job as well.

MLK, Jr. won the award in 1964.  By that point he had been a landmark leader in the Civil Rights movement for nine YEARS, not months.  The Montgomery bus boycott was in 1955.  In 1963 he lead the march on Washington.  Comparing the two is a lazy analogy at best.

What got me started in this thread was the first post:
"Obama may be sliding in polls here in the states. But the World has him as the savior, God Bless Mr. Obama and the Democrat Party!"

The award is so clearly partisan that it stretches the limits of credulity and intellectual honesty to see it as anything more.  That many will now use this as a sign that the "world respects America again thanks to Obama" is bogus.  Perhaps the world does respect us more because of Obama.  Who knows?  The point is that this is a shockingly transparent political game and should be noted as such.

And come on... while we are pointing out pointless political tomfoolery, take a look at the DNC's quote.  Yes, OK, the Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists.  Hyperbole maybe?

Putting politics above patriotism is unfortunately a charge accurately levied at all in Washington, lest we forget the likes of Reid, Kerry and Murtha stating that "The war is lost" while still going on, that our soldiers were "terrorizing women and children in the dark of night" and calling a group of marines "murderers in cold blood" although they were later exonerated. 

They all do it.

Quote from: jtwestside on October 09, 2009, 09:10:03 AM
The only thing this does is confirm how irrelevant the award is.

ha ha ha ha ha ha Well gb sr and gwb jr WILL NOT GET NOBEL PEACE PRIZES :P

I guess I am supposed to be upset now?  I was vocally critical of Bush for the last several years of his presidency, and I didn't particularly care for Bush 41 either.  Neither one of them deserve Nobel Peace Prizes and so they shouldn't win one.  

Quote from: jaxnative on October 09, 2009, 10:56:29 AM
Maybe his "apologizing for America" tour did have it's effect?

Good Quote and we as AMERICA'S WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD!

Stephen, while I didn't agree with all of those, all were good points save one, the election was not a landslide, although it was a more comfortable victory than the last several elections.

Plus, you can want peace and still not vote for Obama.  I have heard this a few places.  It isn't like McCain was running on a platform of "Nuke the piss out of everybody".

The argument of whether this award is deserved or not aside, the Nobel committee did Obama a HUGE disservice by awarding him the prize.  

The right is foaming at the mouth over this.  It does add ammonition to the argument that Obama 'gets by' on charm and style over substance.

I don't think Obama wanted this award, and is probably miffed as much as honored, and he should be.  

Worst of all, it takes the spotlight off of Healthcare just as the final battle looms.  With friends like that, who needs enemies.

Yawn.  One, that was a joke that went sideways for him.

Two, Obama has said the exact same thing, albeit in much more veiled words.

The response from either, to this point, has been that a nuclear weapons factory in Iran is untenable and the option to bomb them would have to be at the top of the list.

McCain sung it.  Obama didn't.  Try to put a little more thought into things man.  

What?  "Nuke the piss out of (x)" isn't thoughtful enough for you?  I wasn't referencing your hand with the language, that is clearly superior to mine in every way.  I like to think I am somewhat articulate, you are in a different ballpark.  The ideas though, need a little more thought.  I only say it because you have out-thunk me many times in the past.. but the bomb-iran bit wasn't a great effort.

Whom do you suppose Time will name as the, Man of the Year ?

Well, I'll make my last post on the topic for a while by saying- that is perfectly fine.  If you like the guy, I don't begrudge you for being stoked for him.  That's cool.  I don't think Republicans should be foaming at the mouth over the award.  You can think its kinda bogus, but oh well, get over it.  Annoyance is acceptable.  You can think he didn't really do anything to deserve it.  But straight up anger or the word of our political era: "outrage" is misplaced.  Its not like he did anything bad to deserve it.

What I cannot silently tolerate is the award being translated into: "See.. everyone loves Obama.  He's going to fix everything."  I have done my best to explain why.

Silence would likely be a virtue for me now, I have said all I need to say about my opinion.

I think the Obama frenzy has wained since he took office. Even SNL took a jab at him this past week

"SNL sketch marks end of honeymoon"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/10/07/snl.politics.obama/index.html

I'm reserving my judgement for the two year mark though, otherwise i'm glad he got the award. His promises to improve the world perception of the U.S. is one of the many reasons I voted for him, but i'm not blindly in love with the man like so many others are. I agree with the SNL sketch 100% and i'm ready to see something tangible , something besides another inspiring speech.

As for the reaction from his opponets, i've come to expect nothing less.

why?

Quote from: civil42806 on October 09, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
why?

Because he is A Great Man! 8)

Oh please...he has not done anything yet..take off the rose colored glasses for crying out loud..

Quote from: jbroadglide on October 09, 2009, 03:27:08 PM
Oh please...he has not done anything yet..take off the rose colored glasses for crying out loud..

For NINE MONTHS he has kept your butt Free and Alive!

He has done nothing yet to prove he is worthy of this prestigious award. Giving it to him based on his "Hope" talk, oh puhlease!

QuoteAccording to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Quote from: reednavy on October 09, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
He has done nothing yet to prove he is worthy of this prestigious award. Giving it to him based on his "Hope" talk, oh please!

Did you Know during gwb term more Free People Dieded. The Europen Union couldn't stand george and DICK and so be it.

It's not like the right was thrilled when Al Gore, Jimmy Carter or Desmond Tutu won either.

Is it really Obama's fault he won the Nobel Prize in his sleep?

Contratulations to President Obama for winning this award.  This is an affirmation that his efforts are contributing to a stable Iraq and the continuing the efforts against the Taliban an Al Qaida are synonymous with world peace.  I applaud and encourage his efforts in these very important areas.  The world is clearly a better and much stable place because of his policies.

Limbaugh, Hannity, etc seem to have a bad case of sour grapes.

He created or saved 92 million jobs!

Where are they?  :) We need them right about now.

I congratulate him for winning it also, however, when I first heard the news the only thing I could think was...ALREADY? 

Come on guys, he hasn't done enough or done much in these 9 months in Office.  He hasn't even seen anything through to completion or fruition which would truly merit him winning the Nobel Peace Price.

I guess most of the world is just happy the U.S. has basically gone back to it's quasi-leadership role and since Bush left is no longer the "bully" or "bad boy on the block."  And they attribute this change of leadership to Obama and a "breath of fresh air" to boot.

Heights Unknown

Quote from: heights unknown on October 10, 2009, 12:16:19 AM
I congratulate him for winning it also, however, when I first heard the news the only thing I could think was...ALREADY? 

Come on guys, he hasn't done enough or done much in these 9 months in Office.  He hasn't even seen anything through to completion or fruition which would truly merit him winning the Nobel Peace Price.

I guess most of the world is just happy the U.S. has basically gone back to it's quasi-leadership role and since Bush left is no longer the "bully" or "bad boy on the block."  And they attribute this change of leadership to Obama and a "breath of fresh air" to boot.

Heights Unknown

HU He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate,"Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. (Per Yahoo News)

Quote from: Overstreet on October 09, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
Whom do you suppose Time will name as the, Man of the Year ?

Senator Al Franken ???

"He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate,"Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said."

What does this mean specifically? This is such a general statement. It certainly brings to question the credibility of the prize in my views. When I see opinions like the ones posted here, it seems more like a partisan prize awarded to swipe at the American conservative than an award given on the basis of merit. 

I honestly have not heard any rhetoric from the President that is different than most politicians running for political office (i.e. fewer nuclear arms in the world, peace in the Middle East, etc).  So far, he has had as much success as other political candidates in fulfilling these goals.  ???

I wish him luck but where are the results?

OMG!!!!!!!! I'm sooo tired of this crap. People are treating it like he went out and campaigned for the NPP. Regardless of your party affiliation, is it not an accomplishment for America? Anywhoo... not gonna get into this so early on a Saturday morning. Opinions are like assholes....and we all have one.  >:(

For What? ...and to think they ignored poor Jimmy Carter all these years! Without a doubt the Nobel is now simply an instrument of politics, nothing more, nothing less.  

OCKLAWAHA

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 10, 2009, 09:44:41 AM
For What? ...and to think they ignored poor Jimmy Carter all these years! Without a doubt the Nobel is now simply an instrument of politics, nothing more, nothing less.  

OCKLAWAHA

Umm....his work as a senator. Did everyone forget he served as senator before becomg our president?   ???

Quote from: Omarvelous09 on October 10, 2009, 09:47:43 AM
Umm....his work as a senator. Did everyone forget he served as senator before becomg our president?   ???

wellp...what did he do then and why did it take so long?

He Hoped for Change?!

Back to square one,

FOR WHAT?

OCKLAWAHA

For god's sake, don't blame the man if the Europeans are having orgasms about Bush being back in Dogpatch instead of being President.

No blame here, Dog Walker, I just keep thinking "For What?"

Also just for the record "Dogpatch," is in North Central Arkansas.  

OCKLAWAHA

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/09/state-dept-on-nobel-better-to-be-thrown-acolades-than-shoes/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/09/state-dept-on-nobel-better-to-be-thrown-acolades-than-shoes/)

Quote"Certainly from our standpoint, this gives us a sense of momentum â€" when the United States has accolades tossed its way, rather than shoes."

Quote from: Omarvelous09 on October 10, 2009, 09:47:43 AM

Quote from: Ocklawaha on October 10, 2009, 09:44:41 AM
For What? ...and to think they ignored poor Jimmy Carter all these years! Without a doubt the Nobel is now simply an instrument of politics, nothing more, nothing less.  

OCKLAWAHA

Umm....his work as a senator. Did everyone forget he served as senator before becomg our president?   ???

Actually he just ran for president as senator

Assuming that were ...how is Barry going to "fix it"? So far it seems matters are getting worse under his "leadership".

Worst quality health care in the world? Ever been to Mayo? Yea I would choose 3rd world over that.

which one? I have many "choices". And the almighty government doesn't tell me who it will be.  :)

Stephen,
I will end on this. In my opinion they did a tremendous job treating my wife's breast cancer (surgeries, chemo etc) and extra surgeries to eliminate ovarian cancer. Probably too much info for this forum so my apologies but it is a subject that hits close to home. 

Quote from: DavidWilliams on October 10, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
which one? I have many "choices". And the almighty government doesn't tell me who it will be.  :)

Good I'm glad you or the Company you work for has the funds! But I remember a day when people once cried about HMO"s? So lets see do we keep the Health Care system the way it is and SCREW the people who have none? Or do we find away for EVERYBODY WHO IS AN AMERICAN to have some form of insurance! God this agreement on I don't want the Government telling me who I can or Can't see is PURE BS! Wake up and lets find a better way even if you over all don't really care. Thank You JAXBORN1962

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 10, 2009, 05:26:40 AM

Quote from: heights unknown on October 10, 2009, 12:16:19 AM
I congratulate him for winning it also, however, when I first heard the news the only thing I could think was...ALREADY? 

Come on guys, he hasn't done enough or done much in these 9 months in Office.  He hasn't even seen anything through to completion or fruition which would truly merit him winning the Nobel Peace Price.

I guess most of the world is just happy the U.S. has basically gone back to it's quasi-leadership role and since Bush left is no longer the "bully" or "bad boy on the block."  And they attribute this change of leadership to Obama and a "breath of fresh air" to boot.

Heights Unknown

HU He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate,"Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. (Per Yahoo News)

JB1962...He still hasn't done anything regardless (you or I could change the international climate if we put our minds, hearts and spirit into it).

Heights Unknown

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 10, 2009, 05:26:40 AM

Quote from: heights unknown on October 10, 2009, 12:16:19 AM
I congratulate him for winning it also, however, when I first heard the news the only thing I could think was...ALREADY? 

Come on guys, he hasn't done enough or done much in these 9 months in Office.  He hasn't even seen anything through to completion or fruition which would truly merit him winning the Nobel Peace Price.

I guess most of the world is just happy the U.S. has basically gone back to it's quasi-leadership role and since Bush left is no longer the "bully" or "bad boy on the block."  And they attribute this change of leadership to Obama and a "breath of fresh air" to boot.

Heights Unknown

HU He got the prize because he has been able to change the international climate,"Nobel Committee chairman Thorbjoern Jagland said. (Per Yahoo News)

JB1962...He still hasn't done anything regardless (you or I could change the international climate if we put our minds, hearts and spirit into it).

Heights Unknown

Quote from: Dog Walker on October 10, 2009, 10:47:55 AM
For god's sake, don't blame the man if the Europeans are having orgasms about Bush being back in Dogpatch instead of being President.

I think this is exactly what has happened.  I disagree with him receving this award so prematurely.  What really bothers me, and I don't mean to bring race into this, is that the majority of the people of my color, in interviews I have seen on TV, feel that he deserves this award; I disagree wholeheartedly.  He has done almost nothing in these 9 months to merit him getting this award.  He has begun to change the air and climate of the world relative to U.S. policies, and he is trying to change the way America does business at home and abroad, but his work is far from being completed.

This award has indeed lost it's credibility and merits worldwide.  In order for someone to receive such an award they should tag a timeline on it relative to that person's accomplishments and ensure that those accomplishments are complete and have had a permanent, long lasting, and effective impact upon their nation and the world.

Heights Unknown

Quote from: stephendare on October 10, 2009, 11:45:51 PM
Getting worse?

lets see.
we were in the middle of two wars and getting ready to start another one with iran.
now were in one war, pulling ourselves out of iraq.

We were in the middle of a market meltdown that literally threatened to shut down our economy, and now we are surfing in suckland, but not underneath the waves.

We were on a path of the most expensive, worst quality health care in the world, and now we are debating how to reform it.

We were ignoring climate change, and now we are going to Copenhagen.

in the 9 months since he took office, hes created a new way forward for this country, which has improved greatly from his administration.

Barry is The Man!

I agree to a point that "Barry is the Man" Stephendare, but his work is in progress and is not completed, so, He should not have been selected for the Nobel Peace Prize.  I agree he has initiated and begun all of what you have listed, but none of those have been finished and it is not clear whether what he has started is permanent, long lasting, or has been fixed once and for all.

Heights Unknown

It's laughable that anyone could find themselves firmly on either side of this debate.

Did he recieve the award for any particular accomplishment? Certainly not.

Can the Nobel Comitte do with the award as they please? Yup.

Am I confused by his being awarded the prize? No


The Nobel prize has been long used as a political tool as well as a legitimate reward for excellence and helping humanity.

I think this reward in particular would go more correctly to the Americans who voted President Obama into office.  It seems that is what is being rewarded. Congratulations to those who did, although I am not among them.

Quote from: buckethead on October 11, 2009, 09:54:23 AM
It's laughable that anyone could find themselves firmly on either side of this debate.

Did he recieve the award for any particular accomplishment? Certainly not.

Can the Nobel Comitte do with the award as they please? Yup.

Am I confused by his being awarded the prize? No


The Nobel prize has been long used as a political tool as well as a legitimate reward for excellence and helping humanity.

I think this reward in particular would go more correctly to the Americans who voted President Obama into office.  It seems that is what is being rewarded. Congratulations to those who did, although I am not among them.

Thank you I did vote for Obama I sure wasn't going to vote for the mccain and that woman sarah palin she is a NUT and that's being kind.

Don't ever forget that Yasser Arafat, a murdering terrorist, once got the Nobel Peace Prize too.

Quote from: Dog Walker on October 11, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
Don't ever forget that Yasser Arafat, a murdering terrorist, once got the Nobel Peace Prize too.

True. The Nobel Peace Prize is not a credible award in cases where it is awarded to politicians and warlords.

It doesn't deserve our incredulity or adoration.

Quote from: Dog Walker on October 11, 2009, 11:21:55 AM
Don't ever forget that Yasser Arafat, a murdering terrorist, once got the Nobel Peace Prize too.

I'm sorry but you make America in which I love seem like we are a bunch of Girl Scouts?

The Nobel Prize has become a Joke....Not very American. It's mostly a Euro thing. (Five people elected by the Norwegian Parliment)... And how Peaceful and Progressive has DYNAMITE been..thanks anyway Alfred.

Yes Stephen.. I knew he was Svedish ;D
I still wonder why Guglielmo Marconi,Enrico Fermi and Lisa Mietner (Mother of Fission) were slighted. ???