Crash Trash and Weekend Bash! The MJ Club Crawl.
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The Metro Jacksonville Club Review Team goes out into the wilds of Jacksonville's hoary night club scene.
Join intrepid club reviewer, Jennifer Browning and editor Stephen Dare as she brings you the straight dope from the hotspots and dance clubs from around the city.
This is a fun new segment, and will feature tons of photos, information and a skullcracking mathematical review formula to ponder over.
Jennifer's maiden voyage is the Downtown Pub Crawl.
Full Article
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/article/2009-sep-crash-trash-and-weekend-bash-the-mj-club-crawl
Great article! Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them! I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low. Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)
Good stuff! I would love to see this as a weekly or monthly article. I want to get out of the normal groove and go to new places, so this serves me well... Thanks!
Liked the article, but I would have liked to see Mark's rated a little lower. I think our reporter was a little too distracted by the hunky bartender to give a completely objective rating.
I liked how Jennifer gets progressively drunker as the night goes by. Must.hit.every.bar.in.one.single.night! Agree that Shanty's rating got the shaft, too.
Is that "hoary" night club scene or "whoring" night club scene? LOL, just kidding. Never heard of the word "horary."
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Shantytown was rated far, far too low.
I've been to all those places and some off the scores seem a bit off to me. Shanty should be rated higher due to the fact that you went early and it was pretty crowded and the people are very friendly. Jack Rabbits should be rated lower since they are only open for shows. Cafe 331 should be rated a little lowers since they usually have a small crowd in comparison to their size. Marks should be rated a little lower because the crowd isn't nearly as friendly as most of the other places.
Overall I like the fact that this post highlights some of the local bars and venues near downtown. I really see Bay Street becoming the strip for downtown nightlife. We just need a few more places between Marks and Ivy.
nice coverage...glad to see some of my favorite places featured. :-)
QuoteFor example, which category would you change the rating on for shanty? The bonus point subtraction for the heat was what brought their score down.
Like I said... it was the first place visited... early in the evening. If it had been reviewed or visited later in the evening the heat would not have been an issue resulting in a higher score.
I suppose something similar could be said of any of the places reviewed... IE... some nights are better than others... regular bartender was sick... etc. I would request more pics if possible to get a sense of the scene both inside and out.
Just a critique... not criticism... :)
SHANTYTOWN gets a 3.4 ...no air conditioning keeps all the pussy bands from playing there..a real bar for real people owned by a real solid dude that has done more for this scene locally then crack habbits..you scored jack rabbits higher then shanty..girl you are cwazzeeee!!!!!!
Hey everybody, I'm Jennifer and I'm excited and honored to be able to review for Metrojacksonville.com. There will be more reviews coming, feel free to comment and let me know what you think. I intend on having a lot of fun and I hope you'll have fun with me. :D
Quote from: kevinleenewberry on September 25, 2009, 12:05:40 PM
SHANTYTOWN gets a 3.4 ...no air conditioning keeps all the pussy bands from playing there..a real bar for real people owned by a real solid dude that has done more for this scene locally then crack habbits..you scored jack rabbits higher then shanty..girl you are cwazzeeee!!!!!!
Hmmmm.... Well, I'll keep that in mind, Kevin. Happy Birthday!
Quote from: TPC on September 25, 2009, 11:00:58 AM
I've been to all those places and some off the scores seem a bit off to me. Shanty should be rated higher due to the fact that you went early and it was pretty crowded and the people are very friendly. Jack Rabbits should be rated lower since they are only open for shows. Cafe 331 should be rated a little lowers since they usually have a small crowd in comparison to their size. Marks should be rated a little lower because the crowd isn't nearly as friendly as most of the other places.
Overall I like the fact that this post highlights some of the local bars and venues near downtown. I really see Bay Street becoming the strip for downtown nightlife. We just need a few more places between Marks and Ivy.
I agree that Bay Street can become the "strip" for downtown nightlife. Hopefully, we'll be able to draw a crowd and have more places to party on Bay Street. :D
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 25, 2009, 07:03:37 AM
Great article! Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them! I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low. Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)
I've heard that Shantytown was really busy later on that evening, but, the criteria stays the same no matter what part of the night I'm reviewing. :)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 25, 2009, 07:03:37 AM
Great article! Been to all those clubs and enjoy every one of them! I personally think Shanty was rated a bit too low. Perhaps because it was the first place visited... as criteria probably loosen up as the night wears on... ;)
Thank you for your critiques, and I'll make sure to take more photos for the next review :D
Wait untill you experience shantytown in the winter..hanging out back with the fire kicking getting drunk and jumping on a table and screaming "I am the best songwriter in all the land!"...its a real nice time.
i'd recommend not going to but a few at a time, you are going to run out of "crawlable" areas relatively soon if you keep up this pace.
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 12:50:41 PM
Next clubcrawl is Sanmarco/riverside.
Were going to do a downtown/springfield one as well.
The riverside one is going to include steamworks, starlight, 616, incahoots, west inn, the casbah, Park Place, Metro and maybe a couple of others.
KICKBACKS!!! Oh, and Wall Street too.
Beat me to it Tree.
Don't forget O'brothers.
Yes...KICKBACKS fo sho!
Well it's hard to even compare places like Shanty & Marks. They attract two completely different demographics.
Her statement about the lack of a/c reflects a lot of people's views on shanty. I've dragged numerous friends there only to have them complain the whole time, so I kick them out and tell them to go chase cougars/popped collars on Bay st and dance to crappy top 40 music. The drink rating definitely should've been higher though.
It's just about what you want in your night life experience, maybe MJ or someone else should do a separate review for the grittier side of night life, you know, the actual dive bars in town that so many of us like to frequent. For us guys/ladies who aren't on the prowl and just want good drinks, entertainment and company.
Jack rabbits is very dependent on the bands that are playing, that place can be a blast or a total waste of time. Nothing tops the time my friends and I saw Monotonix play there, setting up his drum-set in the middle of Hendricks Ave, running after passing by cars and then moving to play in the still under construction High Tide Burrito Co, but I digress...
Mr Tree and I were there at 331 briefly when this review was taking place and...well. I think everyone was just drunk by then. It sounded like a failed rave at that point...so we ended up going to shanty.
Overall Jennifer, I'd say your system is pretty fair if you're judging in terms of what most girls/young single guys like in a club going experience. You rated Marks & Dive high which is more of a club atmosphere (both of which i can't stand) and gave the darker, more cozy actual dives (which I love) a lower rating so I think it's important to separate club going experience from a bar/hanging with friends setting. It is Jacksonville and there are only so many places you can do in a review, but they're two completely different nightlife animals.
I definitely agree with TSI being a great way to end your night, I love how it's one of the only places open after 2 am. Be careful with those 12 dollar bottles of champagne though :D
O'brothers...you mean O'shit this beer is how much?!
Good points David.
I, too, differentiate between a club and a bar. I much prefer the bar scene.
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 01:15:33 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 12:50:41 PM
Next clubcrawl is Sanmarco/riverside.
Were going to do a downtown/springfield one as well.
The riverside one is going to include steamworks, starlight, 616, incahoots, west inn, the casbah, Park Place, Metro and maybe a couple of others.
KICKBACKS!!! Oh, and Wall Street too.
I would do San Marco separate from Riverside. Endo Exo, Locals, I think there is a Wine Bar still on the South Bank that used to be called Tastings, Layla's, Square One, The Grotto, Sherwoods and maybe even European Street. I may even be missing a spot or two.
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 01:49:05 PM
O'brothers...you mean O'shit this beer is how much?!
Haha, yes. Inspite of that, they still draw a big enough crowd to warrant a spot in this article. Maybe it'll even convince them to lower their prices and we'll all actually want to go there.
Quote from: kramer2k on September 25, 2009, 01:55:06 PM
Good points David.
I, too, differentiate between a club and a bar. I much prefer the bar scene.
Ditto on both counts.
I bought a pint of Bold City Killer Whale Cream Ale at O'Brothers last week. It cost me $6. They can f*ck right off with that noise.
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
Steph, what else is out in san marco?
The only other place that comes to mind is Jack Rabbits, but you guys did cover that already. Taverna isn't a club (but it seems like the approach of this isn't going to be 100% club) .. but would be a nice start off point for a glass of wine - like the Grotto.
There is also River City Brewing ::: shudder :::
Don't forget Bold City Brewery for the Riverside tour.
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 02:09:26 PM
I bought a pint of Bold City Killer Whale Cream Ale at O'Brothers last week. It cost me $6. They can f*ck right off with that noise.
What????? Now I want a Cream Ale though haha. Hurry up 5:30!
QuoteWhat?? Now I want a Cream Ale though haha. Hurry up 5:30!
Me Too! :D
How about Sherwoods, Endo Exo, Locals, and the former Tastings/Wine Bar (assuming it's not still closed!!) in San Marco?
In Riverside, Walkers and Kickbacks are right across the street(s) from Park Place, so it might be easy enough to just pop in and do a review.
Don't forget Riverside Liquors bar.
Great article Jennifer! Very good read. You did mean Beau Damion @ 331 though right? ;)... Its all good :D.
For Avondale-ish area... Eclipse and The Brick as well.
A comparison of "Happy Hours" would make a good investigation and article as well... :)
$.02
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 25, 2009, 02:56:12 PM
A comparison of "Happy Hours" would make a good investigation and article as well... :)
$.02
I was sort of thinking the same thing. While it's nice to see a tour of places to go on a specific night of the week... I may also know that I want to go to one of three places (regardless of the night) and would prefer to know ahead of time which of those three places has the best pricing. Some places post their regular specials on their website or Facebook - but not everyone does.
For example, Casbah has Wino Wednesday - which is buy a $20 bottle of wine (limited selection) and get a free single flavor hookah. On a regular night, that same purchase would cost $36 - $38. Sunday afternoons from 3 - 7 they have 1/2 price hookahs.
Sometimes these reviews can bring about "inside info" that isn't largely publicized, so it's nice to find that sort of stuff out.
Right now Jennifer is scoffing at this thread and wondering how long she'll have before sclerosis of the liver sets in.
Here would be my coverage:
“Holy God, my brain….
Uh, went out to a couple places. Drank. You know what? I don’t remember. It was probably fun. Going back to sleep now. Hope you enjoyed this reviewâ€
I don't own enough ill-fitting button down shirts (untucked of course) and loafers to go to Mark's.
Quote from: Bewler on September 25, 2009, 04:22:58 PM
Here would be my coverage:
“Holy God, my brain….
Uh, went out to a couple places. Drank. You know what? I don’t remember. It was probably fun. Going back to sleep now. Hope you enjoyed this review”
hah, mine would probably look the same way.
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 04:40:26 PM
well ideally, the reviewers should include people that wouldnt normally go to that kind of establishment
its a sure fire way to tell how friendly the crowd actually is.
No, I won't go to Mark's for a follow up review, Stephen.
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 02:03:56 PM
tree. too funny. spit out green tea reading this.
David, maybe you'd like to do a club crawl with us?
great additions to the list. Steph, what else is out in san marco?
Sure, I already cross paths with you guys when I do go out, but usually i'm just getting there as you guys are leaving or vice versa.
What's next, Plush? Bourbon St Station?
Since a lot of people were talking about getting a Bold City Creme Ale, I think their anniversary is Saturday, Oct 3rd with $2 pints.
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
Quote from: Beau Damion on September 25, 2009, 02:49:23 PM
Great article Jennifer! Very good read. You did mean Beau Damion @ 331 though right? ;)... Its all good :D.
Thanks Beau! fixed it.
Welcome to MetroJacksonville man!
I did mean Beau Damion :)
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?
Where do you want to go? This sounds like fun!
Quote from: Jennifer Browning on September 25, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?
Where do you want to go? This sounds like fun!
Are you asking me out on a date?
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: Jennifer Browning on September 25, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?
Where do you want to go? This sounds like fun!
Are you asking me out on a date?
No, I meant, that it would be fun to review the ghetto bars and clubs, too. :)
isnt everyone? Its kind of a prerequisite for a club god isnt it?
lol.
That's true, except I'm definitely more of a bar fly than pub god. Or were you referring to her? ha!
Quote from: Jennifer Browning on September 25, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 05:29:32 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
Quote from: Jennifer Browning on September 25, 2009, 05:25:14 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on September 25, 2009, 04:52:13 PM
I want to go to some "ghetto" drinking spots...does metrojax have life insurance policies for their forum posters/amateur reviewers?
Where do you want to go? This sounds like fun!
Are you asking me out on a date?
No, I meant, that it would be fun to review the ghetto bars and clubs, too. :)
Oh, I see how it is! ;)
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
We used to do a straight up dive circuit: Bottle of beer and a game of princess pool, across the scariest bars in the city every couple of months or so.
It always started at Studs Pub.
I like this, what places came next?
What's the fun in going places that give me a negligible likelihood of getting shanked for eyeballing a drunken maniac? I love dive bars!
Ahh... yes, "gobsmacked" is a good word for it! It was a blast, though!
Very nice Stephen, which place was it that I met Father... "What's his name..." and had the doubles of "Boiler Water?" Or is this the same place where y'all tried to get me standing 90% to the ground? By any system, nice, nice folks.
BTW? What happened to the skateboard thing? Good clubs.
OCKLAWAHA
Great article. Great read. Great Comments. Awesome!
Ian@ Shantytown
Quote from: stephendare on September 25, 2009, 06:40:57 PM
I believe that was Mark's. old friend
Well, hell, they get a "5" from me. Maybe they just looked better at a 45% angle? OCKLAWAHA
Jeez, Ock. Sounds like you are the life of the party at the meet and greets. ;D
Still waiting on more info on the Baldwin rail history (or point me where to find it). Thanks in advance :)
Are the Shantytown pictures recycled?
I think I see someone in one of them that hasn't lived in town for a couple of months....
Good start. Reviewing bars/clubs/venues is extremely hard to do, mainly because the crowd, drink specials, etc. can change daily. For instance, TSI on a Tuesday night for Karaoke is generally not going to have the same vibe as Penny PBR Fridays or Intermission Saturdays. I consider myself a nightlife aficionado, especially in the Jacksonville area. As much as people won't realize it, the Jacksonville scene is as dynamic as any I've encountered, it just takes a gentle understanding of social movement in the city. I think this will be a good project, but in all honesty, I really agree with some of the commentary about the rating system. A lot of it is going to be exceedingly subjective. I am also a firm believer in needing to get to know a bar by experiencing an entire night there before passing judgment. Spending an hour here or there really does not give an accurate perspective of the ebb and flow of a place; happy hour at Park Place is going to attract the a different crowd or create a different atmosphere than Park Place just after happy hour is over.
I met Jennifer a few weeks ago at TSI and believe she will do a good job fettering out the nuances of the city's watering holes. I just hope she takes her time and paces herself, both with the project and the oatmeal cookie shots. :)
Quote from: chris on September 26, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
Good start. Reviewing bars/clubs/venues is extremely hard to do, mainly because the crowd, drink specials, etc. can change daily. For instance, TSI on a Tuesday night for Karaoke is generally not going to have the same vibe as Penny PBR Fridays or Intermission Saturdays. I consider myself a nightlife aficionado, especially in the Jacksonville area. As much as people won't realize it, the Jacksonville scene is as dynamic as any I've encountered, it just takes a gentle understanding of social movement in the city. I think this will be a good project, but in all honesty, I really agree with some of the commentary about the rating system. A lot of it is going to be exceedingly subjective. I am also a firm believer in needing to get to know a bar by experiencing an entire night there before passing judgment. Spending an hour here or there really does not give an accurate perspective of the ebb and flow of a place; happy hour at Park Place is going to attract the a different crowd or create a different atmosphere than Park Place just after happy hour is over.
I met Jennifer a few weeks ago at TSI and believe she will do a good job fettering out the nuances of the city's watering holes. I just hope she takes her time and paces herself, both with the project and the oatmeal cookie shots. :)
Chris, I totally agree with you about the differences in nights at TSI which is why we're going to review the scene on different nights in order to give an accurate picture of what's going on with the nightlife in Jacksonville. Thank you for your support. :D
Quote from: DavidWilliams on September 25, 2009, 10:05:12 PM
Jeez, Ock. Sounds like you are the life of the party at the meet and greets. ;D
Still waiting on more info on the Baldwin rail history (or point me where to find it). Thanks in advance :)
Not really, though I do like to down a straight bottle of good Southern Bourbon now and then. Guess I'm too old for arm candy and not rich enough to be the sugar daddy, but the imagination downs more then drinks.
As for BALDWIN RAIL HISTORY, we could do an article on it. Otherwise go to the downtown library, Florida collection, 4Th floor. Ask for my book, "Rails 'Neath the Palms". Inside the chapters are laid out as the systems build, so start with the Florida Railroad and move up through the others to the Seaboard Air Line and beyond. There are family trees of the companies laid out so you can see how the pieces came together.
Photos, we can always dig up more photos. Oh and the double take for Baldwin is it also the name of one of the nations largest steam locomotive builders. Based in Eddystone PA. Baldwin came to the Diesel party too late, partly due to war production board only allowing them to build a proved product + their new diesel switcher. Alco, EMD (GM) and others got to build road and passenger diesels. Where the intersects Baldwin, FL is interesting. Seaboard Air Line, which owned all 4 Baldwin FL routes, was a loyal Baldwin customer. They were one of only (4) 3 railroads to order the strange super engine called the Centipede. This rare as heck and WAY AHEAD OF ITS TIME engine has just come out in model form $450 bucks +/- . I did a thread on this a couple of weeks ago. These Baldwins, were regulars in BALDWIN! Just looking up Baldwin and Seaboard and you'll find a host of cool photos.
Lastly, no Baldwin fan town or train, should be allowed to live without knowing the tune from the War of Yankee Aggression. This is a folk song and a real belly laugh. Just pull up "Bobby Horton, Old Abner's Shoes."
(4) Union Pacific, ordered a sample then for unknown reasons refused delivery. The others were Seaboard, National of Mexico and Pennsylvania Railroad.OCKLAWAHA
What a great idea and article to read. I agree that the rating system is highly subjective as I have been to most of these bars and they are all very different every night and also tend to change throughout the night as well. I have a few questions to pose since I usually just read the forum and do not post often. Question #1 - I do not see any review on Twisted Martini, Maverick's, or The Ivy. What gives? You visited most of the bars / clubs in the downtown area so why not those establishments? I think for the article to have merit then you should visit all of them and give a review, not just providing positive reviews for bars that are advertising on this website. Question #2 - You spelled Ivy incorrectly. Why? It is Ivy not Ivey. There is a big sign on the side of the building if you need to verify its spelling. Again, I think the idea behind this article is much needed and will allow for all kinds of opinions to be posted. However, in your review of Mark's you made the personal comment about some meatheads from Ivy find their way down to Mark's. This leads me to believe that you have a personal issue with some of the bars in the downtown district since they were not reviewed and poor comments are being written. Kind of hard to take your article seriously when you do not review all of the bars in the said area and I look at the top of the page and the bar with the highest ratings just happens to be an advertiser on the site. Maverick's was packed all weekend with the Country Concert Series and Country Concert (only at Maverick's on Saturday) and there is not a mention of that. Twisted was also fairly busy with overflow from the crowd at The Landing. I went bar hopping as well and found most of the downtown bars to be average to slow. I love the area and hope is grows into a very vibrant part of downtown but articles like this should include everyone. I think one of the best attributes of the bars on Bay St. and surrounding areas is the vast diversity of the types of bars. It is not like the beach where you simply open up a bar and people show up in the masses. Mark’s is great with the awesome décor and being a pioneer of Bay St., Dive is a great get-a-way and people that smoke and enjoy being inside as opposed to Mark’s and Ivy making people go outside. Ivy is doing a great job in being consistent and opening during a recession. I didn’t figure they would last this long and I am glad to be wrong. TSI provides a completely different style of music and crowd which is nice when I need a change of scene. The Landing is what it is but I always have a good time at Twisted and Maverick is not for everyone but at least the option is there for those who like country music.
Stephen. Thank you for the insight. I stand corrected and look forward to the upcoming articles. I do read the forum a lot and post here and there. Love the site and hope no one takes the comments to seriously. Maybe I will see you all out this weekend! It is a good time for this article as well since the summer is ending and people tend to start going out downtown a lot more. Love all of the bars you all are doing a great job.
Quote from: stephendare on September 28, 2009, 11:40:33 AM
maybe there was a secret meat head roundup that none of us were privy to
hehehe
I think your idea for this article is great and am glad someone finally put something out there for people who don't know Jax to well to check out places to go. I am disappointed with some of the things you said about the bars. I have been in Jax for about a year now and have never found Dive Bar to be packed on a Friday or Saturday and smoking inside drives me crazy. And you were right about their bar tenders....they never make a decent drink. Marks is good, not sure about the whole meat crowd thing but the last two times I have been in there a big fight broke out between two groups of guys and the second time I was with a group of 12+ and Mark himself would not make a deal with us for cover. I mean 12 people going inside to buy drinks I think deserve a few free....but we had a good time anyways. I think you should check out some of these places sober, I mean you ended your night at Marks after taking numerous shots and drinking most the night. Of course your going to give a great rating I am sure you were having a great time. I agree with what Last Call said but did see your response that you are going to the rest of the places. Me and My friends love Twisted, Ivy and Mavericks and spend more time at those places then the rest you went to. You can always count on Ivy for a free drink with the owner walking around talking to everyone making you feel at home. E.L. is great on Saturdays! And you can't say Mavericks isn't a good time who doesn't like a mechanical bull and two story club!! Twisted has gotten slower these last few weeks but we still support it!!! I just think maybe you should take it a little more seriously then just going out and getting drunk rating things. Try talking to the people and asking what they like instead of comparing cookie shots. I good care less about the drinks half the time and just want to dance and meet people. But thank you for giving me some insight on Jack Rabbits and Shanty Town, I have never been to those places and will probably go check them out this weekend!!!
New2Jax
Quote from: lastcall on September 28, 2009, 12:00:18 PM
Stephen. Thank you for the insight. I stand corrected and look forward to the upcoming articles. I do read the forum a lot and post here and there. Love the site and hope no one takes the comments to seriously. Maybe I will see you all out this weekend! It is a good time for this article as well since the summer is ending and people tend to start going out downtown a lot more. Love all of the bars you all are doing a great job.
Thank you for posting. :) I appreciate that you think we're doing a great job, perhaps we'll see you out during one of the Club Crawls. :D
Should I start singing Kumbaya now or what?
I think the ratings were as objective as bar ratings will ever get. It will obviously take time, but I think this will end up being a great resource for people who want to have fun. I am moving to the south bank at the end of the week and am looking forward to trying some of the places DT that I have not yet seen. This is a great way to get a preview of what to expect.
To Stephen, Ennis, Jennifer and the entire staff at MetroJacksonville.com. Great job on your website in general and I want to thank you for doing what really (to my knowledge) has never been done locally: A detailed review of bars instead of restaurants!
It is refreshing to hear unsolicited opinions and comments (good or bad). I am always looking to improve and we will learn from our mistakes. Nobody is perfect, but we are really trying to offer a quality experience and make Downtown a fun place to party.
To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better. We are just local folks trying to do the best we can. I am very accessible and am happy to discuss anything in person to anyone who has a complaint, compliment, suggestion, etc.
I also want to thank the other bars/clubs and restaurants that have taken a chance in opening Downtown. It has certainly been a challenge for us all, especially in the current economy.
I remain optimistic that Downtown can be a successful local destination for nightlife.
Thanks for doing what you do and keep up the good work.
Regards, Mark
Quote from: marksjax on September 28, 2009, 06:08:37 PM
To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better.
I don’t think it’s anything you guys do specifically, it’s just some people prefer dingy bars while others like a more swanky club atmosphere. Can’t please everyone all the time, though I understand the desire to when it’s the main aspect of your business.
Yes, and some of us prefer men's night over ladies night :D :D :D
Quote from: Bewler on September 29, 2009, 10:48:08 AM
Quote from: marksjax on September 28, 2009, 06:08:37 PM
To those readers who have not been pleased with some aspect of Mark's and Dive Bar I would only ask that we get a chance to show you we can do better.
I don’t think it’s anything you guys do specifically, it’s just some people prefer dingy bars while others like a more swanky club atmosphere. Can’t please everyone all the time, though I understand the desire to when it’s the main aspect of your business.
That pretty much sums it up. The music and the ambiance of a particular bar or club is generally what will attract or detract me. The ambiance of each place isn't going to change much from night to night, so if you want to attract varied subsets of people, then you might want to try switching up the music on different nights. Top 40 isn't for everyone.
In 5 Points, don't forget Mossfire's tequila bar (OK...too small for a club) but still cool and head to The Alibi on Cassat for a good dive...and then Pasttime's of course.
The Alibi and Pasttime's are on Edgewood in Murray Hill. =)
Damn, you're right...they are on the 'wood. That must have been a good night...
^^ Stumped. Fusion is my only guess
I was at The Pearl when Jennifer came in looking all official with her clipboard and camera in hand, like she was a health code inspector or something. ;) Hopefully my buzzed mug didn't make it into the review.
Lol, that's just Jen doing her job.
Quote from: TREE4309 on October 06, 2009, 04:24:54 PM
I was at The Pearl when Jennifer came in looking all official with her clipboard and camera in hand, like she was a health code inspector or something. Hopefully my buzzed mug didn't make it into the review.
Maybe she graded you.
Pretty sure she was grading your Karaoke performance, BEWLER!
I prefer to call it one of my shows or "gigs"
Yeah, that's me doing my job :D
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already. I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 07, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already. I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself.
"Steph Says" aka yours truly introduced myself at the Pearl and was 1.5 sheets to the wind... luckily her phone rang before I could continue speaking. :D
Unruly Bewley...it's no secret anymore!
What secret? It's like I tell the young single girls at work, we're more like "roommates"
;D
Go to Birdies (formely starlite) in 5 points if you want to meet Christie and say hi, she's there often, usually working on the place.
Fridays nights is more of a chill/laid back night at the Pearl. Discounted cover and 2 for 1 drinks before 11 make it a great place to get the night started, but no one's really there until around 11 and even then the crowd's pretty thin. Most are there for the Karoke, and most wind up singing "small town girl" by Journey.
and how about a little more slant in the reviews for those of us who prefer the female gender and not rejects from the abercrombie and fitch catalogues?
Example: I would've given the Pearl 5 bonus points because the girl to guy ratio was 4:1
SCORE!
"Local puddinghead and would-be land baron, Ray Beeson of Streetscape notoriety"
...is that what you call all vocal republicans? Just curious. :P
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 08:50:42 AM
we are deploying male reviewers as we speak, david~!
In the meantime, there are the tragic photos of the two girls getting tossed off the mechanical bull. ;)
Ahhh those maverick girls. It really does take a classy lady to attempt a mechincal bull ride in a mini skirt!
Very entertaining nonetheless :D
I recently won a VIP night at Twisted Martini for 6, which made me very excited, until I saw the douche convention as photographed by the metrojax reviewers inside. You say "cute boys", I say people I will probably punch, or at least argue with while there.
SDare, I'm a republican, if you needed further explanation for my partying ways. ;) ;)
Fusion is stunning in the inside. I have an obsession with their chandeliers that hang over the bar - I saw them once on some HGTV type show a few years ago and have been in love ever since. And I agree, being from New York and having the opportunity to go to several "frou-frou" places there for a night out, this place could fit right into Manhattan's cityscape.
For me personally, I think this place makes for a great Happy Hour spot or a date night.
If the owners are reading, you may want to consider getting a few simple eats. A cheese plate, olive tapenade...some dainty, non-messy desserts like petit fours. People will wind up leaving and spending less money, simply because they are starving. If you do offer food and I somehow missed that, my apologies.
Douchebags don't dance, they party. Douchebags don't drink, they get F***** up. Douchebags don't relax, they chill. I could go on and on and on............
I swear we didn't used to have this epidemic of societal degradation in Jax. The past 5 or 6 years have been a downward spiral in my opinion. Everyone tags guidos as the scum of the earth, but if you took off those 'chill bros' hats positioned at about 10 o'clock on their heads (12 o'clock pointing forward), and spiked their hair with some hair gel, you couldn't tell the difference.
Folks need to read a book, wear clothes that fit, find something interesting to bring to the conversation, and THEN go out.
When do the club reviews start and the cute guy reports end?
www.instantrimshot.com
Seriously though, this exercise really does help me confirm what I already assumed about some of the places that I have purposely avoided in the past...thanks for taking one for the team!
Finally, I just want to repost this picture for my own personal amusement.
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/gallery/index.php?i=669100428&ik=Vvrff&g=9841444&gk=ufXxF
How old do you have to be to get into Twisted Martini anyway? Ha!
aaaand that picture link didn't work...help me out here stephen!
Thats the beauty of going to Downtown to club. So many different types of people and places to visit. At least it isn't stale or homogeneous!
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.
Accurate description, DWilliams. I'd rather talk about crops with the Mavericks crowd than hear how chill, dank, or sweet these bros are.
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 10:22:49 AM
Im going to guess Navy boys out on the town, from the haircuts.
Not too obnoxious, I suppose.
If that's our Navy, I'm nervous to be living in a coastal city.
Quote from: DavidWilliams on October 08, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.
Man, you guys are a tough crowd. They are just a bunch of kids having fun. They are like 21/22 ... they don't even know who they are yet.
Granted I am 10 years older then them and they don't necessarily look like "my type" - but sheesh.
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 10:29:16 AM
So which of you guys was doing karaoke again?
Um "bewler" aka Brett did 2... the Smiths and the Doors (which I missed) ... and then myself and my friend Rach did a very, very pathetic rendition of Black Velvet when the mic got shoved in our faces.
Brett is actually a decent performer!
That would be Bewler. He has a good stage presence! My acquaintance Will, who isn't on here, was one of the shirtless wonders belting out the hits of yesteryear.
In fairness, I will meet up on the next club crawl and you guys can post my picture and ridicule it all you want. I'm 22 and may not know entirely who I am, but I think I might stand up a little better to the critics on this website.
All in good fun...thankfully there weren't a lot of camera phones out there in my hard running days. :)
Quote from: David on October 08, 2009, 10:34:38 AM
That would be Bewler. He has a good stage presence! My acquaintance Will, who isn't on here, was one of the shirtless wonders belting out the hits of yesteryear.
Thanks, that’s really about all you can say for it since I can’t sing worth a shiest. Of course that’s kind of the whole point of karaoke to me, go out there, embarrass yourself, suck, and have a good time doing it.
And I guess take your shirt off if you feel so inclined.
Quote from: stephElf on October 08, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
Quote from: DavidWilliams on October 08, 2009, 10:17:38 AM
^^^^Tools and knobs are the terms that come immediately to mind for me.
Man, you guys are a tough crowd. They are just a bunch of kids having fun. They are like 21/22 ... they don't even know who they are yet.
Granted I am 10 years older then them and they don't necessarily look like "my type" - but sheesh.
Pipe down Steph! =p Those dudes are the reason I avoid places like Twisted Martini. The first word that popped in my head was "tools!"
Hey all! New to Riverside and this website. Is your "club crawl" on Friday night? Saturday night? Looking forward to your reviews. Need some places to go. Bored too death.
Brett's karaoke performance was awesome! I got a little bit of lap dancing during it so that was two thumbs up for me!
I don't think I said Hi to Jennifer, but parts of that night ARE a little fuzzy thanks to STEPH making me do birthday cake shots. Geez, what a bad influence.
<3 The Pearl on Friday nights. Probably because I'm an old lady and don't like a big crowd as much anymore.
Love the reviews though! Very entertaining!
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 01:07:12 PM
this weekend is pure riverside.
And we are doing Pearl tonight as well as bay street.
Im putting together a team for Southside.
Can't wait to read the Riverside one!
Quote from: mandy6488 on October 08, 2009, 01:23:46 PM
Those dudes are the reason I avoid places like Twisted Martini. The first word that popped in my head was "tools!"
Remember the crowd-judging goes both ways. A lot of my old friends across the ditch at the beach/Southside etc can't stand coming to hangouts on our side of town because they feel everyone's too pretentious and arty. Haha they still use the "emo" label which by their definition applies to anyone who's not dressed in the standard club uniform, aka khakis/acid washed jeans, polo/dress shirts and spiked hair.
(http://images.off-roadweb.com/freestuff/0803or_z+motivational_posters+tool.jpg)
To each their own though. This town's big enough for all creatures of the night.
Quote from: David on October 08, 2009, 01:36:51 PM
Remember the crowd-judging goes both ways. A lot of my old friends across the ditch at the beach/Southside etc can't stand coming to our side of town because they feel everyone's too pretentious and arty. Haha they still use the "emo" label which by their definition applies to anyone who's not dressed in the standard club uniform, aka khakis/acid washed jeans, polo/dress shirts and spiked hair.
(http://images.off-roadweb.com/freestuff/0803or_z+motivational_posters+tool.jpg)
To each their own though. This town's big enough for all creatures of the night.
haha Yeah I know. One of our pals talks bad about Riversiders all the time.. apparently we're all stinky and gross.. and I suck because I enjoy Starbucks every now and then. Then there are people who judge everyone who goes to Jaguar games.. I can take it if I can dish it.. it's all in good fun. ;D
Ewww. Jax is not big enough for the guys in that picture.
Sure it is! They're about 15 miles east where land meets the ocean. outta sight, outta mind!
I fucking hate Heineken.
Quote from: TREE4309 on October 08, 2009, 02:06:42 PM
I fucking hate Heineken.
Steph Says Heine Light is tasty-time!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 07, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already. I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself.
Awww, you should have introduced yourself. :(
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 09:50:28 AM
zissou. I was a reagan youth, and still registered R. Which explains my own 28 years of hellraising in nightclubs ;)
Although obviously, I have to be the worst Republican in America in terms of party loyalty. My grandfather stayed Democrat for thirty years without voting for a single D, however....must be something contrarian in the blood.
Id still like to know what the guys meant when they told Jennifer they were off to 'party' on the dancefloor.
Color me unimpressed with spaz terminology. Wouldnt "dance" have sufficed?
I was thinking the same thing when they told me that. I turned around to write something down... and they were all gone!
Quote from: stephElf on October 08, 2009, 02:29:56 PM
Quote from: TREE4309 on October 08, 2009, 02:06:42 PM
I fucking hate Heineken.
Steph Says Heine Light is tasty-time!
Mandy Says no way! At least the other beers you like are tasty.. for the most part. ;D
Quote from: Jennifer Browning on October 08, 2009, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 07, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
^^ Stop these previews and just post the darn thing already. I saw Jennifer Browning at TSI saturday, but wasn't in much shape to introduce myself.
Awww, you should have introduced yourself. :(
It's not that I was drunk, I was just sweaty from dancing like a crazy person. I was with M McGowan.
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..
Quote from: jbroadglide on October 08, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..
Not sure what side of town you are on... but New Orleans Cafe on a Thursday seems targeted to the 40s / 50s crowd. They have live music on the deck ... covering classic rock type music. It's on San Jose right before the Julington Creek bridge.
And they may have more nights like that besides Thursday... it isn't a swanky environment. Pretty chill, casual. Kinda like Florida Keys meets Biker Bar ... lol.
event calendar & menu
http://www.myspace.com/theneworleanscafe
I'm hoping that there will be another review on the Pearl and the Sinclair when it's not karaoke or a show? And perhaps a little less bias in the review itself, it seems more like a story of how someone's night has gone as opposed to a review... I realise it must be quite difficult to be subjective in a case like this. Perhaps two people per venue, one male and one female, who are not associating with eachother, who are not acting as "staff", would yield more unbiased results?
Also, no category for cleanliness? Just blurry images and some shots of the restrooms in which to judge that on? I mean, some of the venues in the riverside/downtown area can be straight up gross or really clean...
You've probably seen me out and about at that rate. There aren't many venues that I don't like, except for some of the larger multi-plex types...
Quote from: stephElf on October 08, 2009, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: jbroadglide on October 08, 2009, 04:19:53 PM
Are there any nightspots for us over 50's??? These all sound like clubs for 20's and 30's..and frankly I don't want to be labeled a dirty old man by going into a 20's club and oogling all th 20 year old females..
Not sure what side of town you are on... but New Orleans Cafe on a Thursday seems targeted to the 40s / 50s crowd. They have live music on the deck ... covering classic rock type music. It's on San Jose right before the Julington Creek bridge.
And they may have more nights like that besides Thursday... it isn't a swanky environment. Pretty chill, casual. Kinda like Florida Keys meets Biker Bar ... lol.
Too far south elf.. I'm in Riverside..
event calendar & menu
http://www.myspace.com/theneworleanscafe
...and J Broad you CAN go anywhere you like. You don't have to be relegated to listening classic rock cover bands on a deck if that isn't what you are into. I am 43 and feel pretty comfortable at the places that have been mentioned here. Haven't yet been to all of them. Just keep your ogling to a minimum. My wife keeps my ogling to a minimum with occasional doses of of her elbow to my ribs when we are out. ;) Works well. I am fairly well trained.
My only comments after being sent this from a friend was.
Not everyone goes to a club to drink. I personally go to see friends and dance to music, so a rating system based on drinks, attractiveness of bartenders or shirtless boys singing doesn't really tell me anything about the club in question.
I, personally think the type of music should be factored. Ignoring that is like rating art galleries without saying what type of art they house.
Steven,
I read the article. I've read the explanation. But in the explanation you state that the reviews are based off what people would notice first. The reviews then went to go on and list things I never look at. Not to be mean but just because the reviewer in question thinks that shirtless guys deserve a bonus point doesn't mean that the music that is played at a club is an afterthought to all.
Correction:
Cute doorman as a bonus
Yes, something about the type of music played, who the DJ is, who the bands playing are, should definitely be included in the written portion. I can't stand when I see flyers for a venue and yes, the DJ is listed, but you have no idea who that person is or what kind of music he/she spins. Something about danceability is also very subjective when considering music. I mean, I'm a total white girl who can not breakdance so listening to breaks out at the beach is more for my listening enjoyment, not my ability to dance to it. Don't think this could be factored in numerically unless it's some bang out performance going towards bonus points.
If the bar serves anything other than alcohol (like specialty virgin drinks, snacks, if there's hotdogs/food vendor outside like Sweet Pete, hehe), that should be noted somewhere. Then, the quality of it should be factored in the overall score.
What about a review on Kickbacks? It's not a club venue by any means - it's a gastropub, with a lot of awesome beer.
Photos should be more clear, less blurry. Attire should be labeled appropriately and accurately without a personal opinion attached (i.e. "suits and dresses" replaced with "business attire")
Also, what night the club was reviewed should be noted in the written section just do to crowd variety (this was mentioned after the first round of reviews I believe).
In my opinion, the overall article should reflect a subjective comprehensive review. A reader should be able to tell who is giving the review (it's fairly obvious that a female would notice the shirtless guys or whatever, and may or may not add this into scoring in an inappropriate manner).
And now I think I sound like a total bitch of a critic... hrm. Just suggestions. I like the idea that someone is finally at least making a review.
Oh! Forgot, perhaps something about drink prices included? Like, order a specialty drink and one uhm, baseline drink at each venue to determine this? Because beer ranges from a penny in some places some nights to to $7 for some beers in other places other nights.
Grab a baseline drink (1 beer, 1 wine, 1 cocktail) and a specialty drink. Include something about cover charges. Some places are more expensive than others, some are free. That really needs to be noted somewhere.
I've read both articles beginning to end. Seems there's just more actual information in the first one than the second, and that the second was more personal experience based on the reviewer's tastes. I mean, some people obviously love the places at the Landing to no end... but it seems the venue sounds horrible and downright scary based on one person's experience there?
Steven,
For the purposes of a review you need to be objective. Most club review sites base their reviews on a mixture of the following:
Music - The quality of the music.
Location - The location and neighborhood of the club.
Ambiance - The decor and atmosphere.
Drinks - Quality of the drinks.
Value - Value for the dollar.
Service- Overall opinion of the service
Hotness Factor- self explanatory
Fun Factor- Again self explanatory
Then there are basic information given about the clubs in question:
Pricing-
Age-( 18-up or 21-up)
Cover-
Parking-
Air Conditioning-(Yes/No)
Dress Code- (Yes/ No, what kind)
Alcohol-(Full Bar, Cocktails, etc)
Music Type- (Club, Hip Hop, Rap, Top 40, Dance, Reggae, R&B, etc)
Website-
Lastly, maybe we can have more than one reviewer go on different night, then get together, give us who rated what how and then average. That way all demographics are covered.
What CrysG said.
Like, exactly what he said, is what I was making an attempt at saying.
That would work probably. I mean, I'm not about to hit up Aqua on a Friday night anytime soon or Rain on a Wednesday but someone who actually likes that scene would want to know that it's there.
Reviews for the general public who goes out at night are good - especially when trying to suggest something for out-of-towners who don't necessarily appreciate the same late-night scene.
A friend and I did a similar project like this over the summer, and if there were a clubbing frequent flier card for Jacksonville, that would be amazing. Our two month crawl every night of the week had a specific purpose though - to locate EDM in Jacksonville, because most venues we called wouldn't answer the phone when I called them. That was a long two months.
Steven,
I guess I don't understand the purpose of the reviews then. I go back to my original argument about reviewing art galleries but not noting the type of art. You don't have to be an art major to say either you like art xyz because it's not your thing but you still have to review the art.
The point I'm getting at is that you don't want to review a club for a basic thing that a club is, a crowd of people drinking, dancing to music at a certain place. When you do that it stops being a review of clubs and more of a report of quirky or interesting things that happened at a club/bar.
I doubt you'll be able to quantify the music aspect. I suggest just including the genre and if there were people dancing (not just if the reviewer was) if it was a dance type club, or if the were people standing at the stage for a live performance, or if half the club was nodding their heads or whatever for jazz or whatever or even if they were singing along or whatever(I mean, how might one judge the Metro on a Tuesday v. Saturday?).
I think crowd participation or response to the music is more subjective than the reviewer's personal opinion on the type and how good it is...
I think just stating the kind of music playing, whether it was DJ, live band, karaoke, etc. and naming an artist or two that was played (if known) will suffice. "Quality" of music is going to be subjective, so no point in overdoing it, just state the facts in this case...that's my opinion at least. Names of DJs couldn't hurt either.
Steven,
Not to nickpick but then I don't really see this is a review but more of a persons night out on the town. With a review you can compare and contrast based on agreed upon basics(ie the one's I've outlined) so that you can decide if the club is right for you. The reviews as they stand only give one part(which is subjective) of an overall club. From the reviews that we have I would have no idea if I wanted to go to any of the clubs that have been reviewed.
Lastly I do like the multiple people going on different nights.
Maybe we can have a mix of both. The outline of the clubs and then a personal narrative.
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 07:31:45 PM
Crys, Other than Crowd Size, the friendliness of the crowd, the quality of the service, the quality of the drinks served, and the professionalism of the club to the review staff, how else would you define
'fun' in a nightclub that works for everyone no matter what kind of music or decor they are into?
some of our readers don't like crowded spaces. etc.
Ask yourself did you have fun? Then you'd say yes to it's a fun night club. Which points out my desire for having a overall baseline of questions, then everyone get together, you give us who rated what, how then the average. The reason for that would be if you know Bob is a 30 year old, married who doesn't drink but Sue is a 20 year old single who does drink then you can say I'm going to pay attention to Bob rating the club a 2 for fun vs. Sue's rating of 5.
I figured that you were going to do that anyways? I mean, facts are informative but a narrative does provide insight in which statistics alone can not compete.
I'd just avoid giving points due to someone's appreciation of how "smokin' hot" the bartender is... unless of course that bartender is J. Depp or Jessica Alba.
Steven,
But to be objective you need to have facts that are things everyone would want to know not just things that some would like to know. My outline is a good base. You could add cleanliness or crowd involvement.
If you add the baseline questions you could add me as a reviewer.
Stephen,
Keep a level of personality (subjective input) in the reviews. It humanizes it. MJ is not in the business of reviewing surgical suite cleanliness here. Keep it light and entertaining. And, I don't it is in the the business of doing paid club consulting. One of the better threads. Lots of people checking in with opinions and thoughts.
Quote from: stephendare on October 08, 2009, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: AntigoneStarr on October 08, 2009, 07:30:37 PM
I doubt you'll be able to quantify the music aspect. I suggest just including the genre and if there were people dancing (not just if the reviewer was) if it was a dance type club, or if the were people standing at the stage for a live performance, or if half the club was nodding their heads or whatever for jazz or whatever or even if they were singing along or whatever(I mean, how might one judge the Metro on a Tuesday v. Saturday?).
I think crowd participation or response to the music is more subjective than the reviewer's personal opinion on the type and how good it is...
yeah. I really thought is was kind of fun that Jennifer was like all ready to dance to some song at Maverick's that literally cleared the dance floor. It tells you something about the reviewer as well as the crowd.
I'm still laughing about this as well. It was quite hilarious... really! :D
Apparently they all like country. And they all hate Black Eyed Peas.
still chuckling over the image of her alienated retreat from the club.
Glad to see Fusion got a 4.2 rating at 8 p.m. That place is absolutely amazing. The Pearl 2.8 even on a slow night ridiculous.
^
I guess there weren't enough hunky bartenders that night.
Moon River is a club?
Well, the place could use some bouncers... if that counts. ;D
It serves beer and is full of douchey hipsters...does that count?
Quote from: TREE4309 on October 20, 2009, 05:23:37 PM
It serves beer and is full of douchey hipsters...does that count?
You are my new hero.
I should know. I was part of the famous incidient at Moon Roiver. I am guessing the slapping occured here?
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 21, 2009, 02:58:27 PM
I should know. I was part of the famous incidient at Moon Roiver. I am guessing the slapping occured here?
I haven't heard about this famous incident.... what happened? I'm guessing the slapping happened there as well, since it didn't happen to me on my club crawls and I didn't go to Moon River... so, process of elimination....
Jennifer,
Grab a book, sit back, relax and read this:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4577.0.html
Its better than most movies.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 21, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
Jennifer,
Grab a book, sit back, relax and read this:
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php/topic,4577.0.html
Its better than most movies.
That's horrible, I've never been there but I certainly don't want to go there after reading THAT.
I have not been back since. I hope they went through the improvement training they said they would go through.
Stephen, I am still confused on why it is on the club crawl??
Did I miss the 2nd round of reviews, or is that what you're referring to?
This is rather intresting read
Yeah, Birdies is a big improvement. The only thing I’m not crazy about is the name. I may be in the minority here, but every time I hear it I can’t help but groan and think “ugh, does it HAVE to be called Birdies?â€
Pretty small complaint I know.
There's meaning behind the name for the owner. Just say it 4 times a week outloud for a few weeks, you'll get used to it :D
Maybe...
To me it would be like naming a bar Snugglebugs or something.
We'll open up our own "manly" bar then. We'll call it thrashers.
Quote from: Bewler on October 22, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
Yeah, Birdies is a big improvement. The only thing I’m not crazy about is the name. I may be in the minority here, but every time I hear it I can’t help but groan and think “ugh, does it HAVE to be called Birdies?â€
Pretty small complaint I know.
Meh.... I have to say that I liked it better before the change. But hey, what can you do?
Ive frequented Wallstreet in the past month more than I have in the past 2 years because of this change...
Now Dave I never said it had to be MANLY. Since you mentioned it though, "Come on down and drink at Beef Iron Pecks! RAAAAAAGH"
Quote from: Atari007 on October 22, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
Meh.... I have to say that I liked it better before the change. But hey, what can you do?
Ive frequented Wallstreet in the past month more than I have in the past 2 years because of this change...
I still prefer Wallstreet, at least in the summer time but then again a smokey atmosphere doesn't bother me.
Quote from: Bewler on October 22, 2009, 03:45:09 PM
Now Dave I never said it had to be MANLY. Since you mentioned it though, "Come on down and drink at Beef Iron Pecks! RAAAAAAGH"
Yeahh....... I'd rather drink at a place called birdies. When I think manly, I think Shotgun Charlie's Or The Blackstonequarryexplosionrocketharleybar, not chests.
Screw that weak sh*t. Beef Iron Pecks will rip Shotgun Charlie's in half like a phone book.
Check out our MANLY prices:
Bottled beer - 20 situps
Domestic draft - 30 pushups
Import draft - 50 pushups
Well drinks - Lift Boulders
Shots - Wrestle a shark
Quote from: stephendare on October 22, 2009, 01:47:50 PM
We have a review of West Inn Cantina in this one.
Also, its very cool what Birdies has done to StarLite.
I was JUST there! :o I woulda liked to have read the review before I went there
Quote from: Bewler on October 22, 2009, 04:59:01 PM
Screw that weak sh*t. Beef Iron Pecks will rip Shotgun Charlie's in half like a phone book.
Check out our MANLY prices:
Bottled beer - 20 situps
Domestic draft - 30 pushups
Import draft - 50 pushups
Well drinks - Lift Boulders
Shots - Wrestle a shark
So lets see.... I could afford three bottles and a draft of domestic....MAYBE an import if I'm lucky... Maybe. I need to get in shape, so I can drink. (I promise this is a totally different mindset than the one I currently possess. Totally different)