Has to be the worst effort I have ever seen buy a pro football team. From Del Rio down to the guy who holds the ball for the extra point. Horrible,,just horrible.This will be a very long year for the Jags faithfuls. If they continue to play like that, they wont win a game.
4-12 at best I am thinking. That was quite putrid.
Wow David your generous. I've been looking over the schedule. Just don't see 4 wins, but I guess that depends on the way the play. I think we saw the true Jacksonville out there today was it 39,000. It was pathetic, regardless of the teams play. Before someone says oh its the economy,remember Weaver had to get extensions in the Jags 11-5 season for many home games. People had jobs then. The real reason is this town is pathetic and full of pathetic excuses. The NFL doesn't belong here not much does. The few faithful are lucky that theres not another city with a stadium up to NFL standards yet,, otherwise the clock is ticking.
I agree. Far more depressing than the team's play is the showing by the fans. 39k people at a home opener is embarrassing. We are now a laughingstock.
Here is a portion from the AP story about the game.
Jacksonville trailed 24-3 after two quarters â€" the largest halftime deficit at home in team history â€" and was down 28 points before mounting a mild comeback.
The only good news for the Jaguars? Hardly anyone in Jacksonville saw it. The game was blacked out on local television, and the stands were about half full.
I can generally care less what the national sports media says about the Jaguars. Typically they are transparently uninformed. Statements such as this, however, are an indictment on the city itself and are indefensible.
If we lose the Jaguars, what does it say? "Jacksonville tried to nose into the big leagues of American cities and failed miserably". Sadly, I think a large percentage of citizens in Jacksonville would prefer it were never more than a Double-A town...
Well atleast they said half full.
Haha. Well thanks for bringing some optimism to my half-empty minded post.
The steelers lost and the titans so I am feeling a little better. Head hurts though it was very hot today out there.
That game was BRUTAL! I don't know when I've seen a regular game that empty! We looked like a high school team out there. Things need to turn around or there will be a lot of new people next year.
We're not going to lose the Jags. Relax, no city has a stadium ready for an NFL team, as we speak. So settle down. Anyone see that the Cowboys almost had a blackout for their stadium as of last Wednesday? Not sure how many they needed to sell, but they needed to sell X (number) of seats at $239 per seat to make their game a sellout. So the folks from Dallas, Arlington, and Ft. Worth ponied up the cash to make it a sellout. I don't see the fans from St. Augustine, Brunswick, and Baldwin doing the same, but so what? The team is not going anywhere soon.
Being down 31-3 at home, when the LINE on the game was Jags by 3 was a JOKE. Del Rio will be gone soon enough. We may be the Detroit Lions of the NFL this year.
The people who complain about fan attendance should be complaining about a terrible product being produced year after year...
Complaining about the lack of people in the stadium is like saying...
We should all go support the local over priced diner... the food is horrible but we really should support them or they might leave.
David Garrard's twitter ticket give-away was very inspiring this week, the Jags should have more players doing this.
But, a team that plays like this isn't going to win anyone over. We don't even have to go into the information around seats in the stadium vs metro area and compare it to other teams in the NFL....
For some reason i'm thinking we'll do better than last year. No playoffs or anything, but my gut tells me we'll win at least 6-7 games.
I saw potential during our failed come-back attempt today. The guys just aren't in synch yet. We can't run drew-jones for 9 out of 10 plays, so i'm hoping they get together a more 3-dimensional game plan soon.
As for the attendance, i'd be there if my job situation was better. As soon as I get the funds i'll buy whatever tickets I can afford.
If the blackouts continue and you're like me, too broke to go to the games, organize football parties at your house by streaming the game over the internet and playing it on your t.v. without the expressed written consent of the NFL. A speakeasy sportsbar, if you will.
David you do realize the Cardinals were in prevent defense and already thinking about next weeks game. Warner wasnt even in the game at that point. And wow we can have internet and throw parties, but were broke and cant go to the game. Jacksonville man up,,people just want to sit home at watched the games. There were over 100 thou at the billion dollar scoreboard stadium. $75 to park and we complain about $40 and $50 ticktets. The only thing sadier than the Jags perfomance today are the people in this city.
I was at the game, and I take offense to that sentiment. "We can have internet... but we're broke and can't go to the game." Come on, now. That is absolutely ridiculous. In 2009, the internet is all but a necessity. Shitty football isn't.
Jacksonville has a lot of things to be embarrassed about. Lackluster schools. Nightly murders. Trigger-happy police. Being practically held hostage by a freakin church. But to hang your head in shame because only 40,000 people showed up to a ball game? And there are plenty of reasons the average citizen of this fine city is somewhat embarrassing. Football is a ways down my list though.
I spent most of my Sunday and over $150 to have my afternoon ruined by inexcusable, pathetic, half-hearted football. I like the Jags and would be pretty sad to see them leave town, but they're going to have to do something pretty special in the next game or two to get me back out there again. It's not the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, or even 90s any more. The available entertainment options out there have quadrupled. You can certainly make the case that oldschool sports fans were better, but the simple fact of the matter is that the newschool sports fan might continue to support his team in good times and bad, but likely, they are going to be far less willing to throw down so much hard-earned money if its clearly obvious that their team isn't reciprocating with a 100% effort.
Nobody is obligated to make sacrifices for a football team. And nobody should feel guilty about having the internets but not going out on Sunday for a game. Passing a starving child on the streets and choosing to buy the internets instead of helping them, maybe that's something to feel guilty about, but not choosing three months of internet over the abortion that occurred today at the stadium.
Yes, I do realize they were in a prevent defense. I'm just not ready to give up on the jags TWO GAMES into the season.
Spare me the "go to the game" speech. I spent 500 bucks on season tickets last year. This year, I have way too many bills piling up. I don't have 40-80 dollars to spare on game day at the moment. The "internet party" today set me back about 5 bucks after snacks, which by the way, was at a friends house since I don't currently have internet at home. If you want to donate some tickets, i'd be more than happy to show up on game day and stick by the team, the same way I have since their conception in 1993.
The lack of attendance is due to two factors. Those like me who've had a rough year and those who just don't support the team due to them losing. The bandwagoners.
We're one of the smallest markets in the NFL, we can barely fill the stadium when we're winning. Let alone after a 5-11 record, in the middle of a recession.
And the blackouts are b.s. I'm going to watch the Jags play in whatever way I can. Even if it's painful.
I'm thinking 7-9 now, not 9-7.
The game was not good yesterday. I went and was really disappointed. I couldn't believe the Jags looked so bad. Win or lose I will support them. Maybe they should change their colors to orange and blue and then people in Jax may support them.
Just to put a little perspective on this, the team last year with THE BEST record in all of the NFL, the team who had home field advantage thoughout the playoffs..is today oh and 2. I'm talking about the Tennesee Titans. Two other teams that went deep into the playoffs several years ago...are both oh and 2 today. Look at the Rams and the Panthers. Of course the Lions are oh and 2, so nothing different there..but that also makes them oh and 18 over the past two seasons, so we are far from that. Yes the Jags were absolutely blown out of the stadium sunday. But I'd love to be reading the newspapers in Tennessee today. In fact I probably will later.
I think I would feel much better about this team if we had a young QB like Flacco, Ryan or Sanchez. Garrard is decent but not worth the 60 million he is being paid.
So the game was blacked out and guess what I did? I watched Tennessee and Atlanta. Big whoop. If the Jags can't produce results, then football fans will go elsewhere. I know it's sad to say, but Jacksonville really does have "fair-weather fans". It's not that they're just plain bad. It's that they haven't earned the love and respect of their city or their fans enough to make it worth me having to choose weather I want to buy groceries this week or go to the game.
I agree with the sentiment that Jax has a lot to be embarrassed about. But look at it this way, I'm still a Detroit Lions fan. You think I care about wins? No, I care about good games. Yesterday, from everyone I talked to who went to the game (who was crying in their beer later that evening) said the game was horrible.
No one wants to pay a horrible ticket price for a horrible team.
A) Dump Del Rio. Seriously.
B) Draft Tebow (like he would seriously consider playing for Jax? Really?)
C) Gerrard is getting long in the tooth.
The "I'm not going until the team is good" argument is getting old. The product is the NFL game day experience... you don't deserve anything more than that. So many critical comments on the cost of the game and how Weaver should drop the prices to nothing because nothing should be sacrificed. If you want something bad enough you sacrifice. You save. You skip your vacation this year. You don't go blow all your money on Jager Bombs. You save a little buy your tickets and watch your godam team lose and you take it like a godam man. I have blisters on my forehead from the sun, no voice from screaming at the refs but I wouldn't have been anywhere else yesterday.
For anybody who thinks Tebow is the answer. Did you watch him against Tennessee? Monte Kiffin was a great NFL defensive coordinator and he shut down that offense. Tebow looked like nothing more than Garrard 2.0 on Saturday. The team needs a pocket passer.
City and resident here full of this and that. I dont have a money tree in my back yard either. You know there are Jags jersey with 15/Tebow on them. This is sad because people are so caught up with the gators their blind.I doubt Tebow will make it in the NFL as a pro QB.
Quote from: Shwaz on September 21, 2009, 10:31:51 AM
You don't go blow all your money on Jager Bombs.
That's crazy-talk Shwaz. I can't comprehend that sentence. ;D
Watch Jake Locker, the quarterback from Washington. He can run and was slinging the ball downfield against USC.
As I was sitting at the game on Sunday I searched "LA expansion NFL" in Google and there were many stories about LA not wanting a team, other cities like San Antonio, Portland, Orlando getting teams. Let's not lose sight of the fact that every city in the US is hurting for money and building or upgrading a stadium is not high on the list of priorities.
I for one am tired of the discussion. LA had a chance at a team and the NFL gave it to Houston instead. Miami has had PLAYOFF games blacked out. Minnesota, Oakland, Cincinnati, San Diego, Detroit and Tampa are all having ticket problems
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-08-31-nfl-tickets_N.htm#forecast
I think it is about time that the NFL start caring about the fans because for so many years they didn't. Stadiums were ronvated to have more luxury seats at the expense of lower priced "true fan" seats and they didn't bat an eye.
Having the mayor get on TV and implore us to buy tix is rather funny given that he is already trying to take more of our disposable income away to pay for unneeded appointees and pet projects. The Jags need to put a quality product on the field. When any company makes a crap product and no one buys it, they don't go on TV or in the paper and say, "We know we suck, but you should feel lucky that we even have a store here and you should buy our crap out of a sense of duty".
We haven't drafted a QB in over 6 years, while both the Pats and Colts have drafted 6 between them both. No one was worried about Manning or Brady getting benched, they were just running an effective organization and planning for the unexpected. We on the other hand pass on Roethlisberger for Reggie Williams followed by Matt Jones and a host of other no names.
And the local media gets part of the blame. Bitching about Mark Brunnell in favor of Byron Leftwich only to have him suck something awful. Then bitch about Leftwich in favor of Garrard. I don't know if the jury is still out on Garrard or not, but I don't watch him play and sense that he has the skill set to win. After all, he has a worse record than Leftwich as a started with the Jags, so you tell me.
Of course I am pissed as I type this because I want the Jags to do well. I wouldn't have season tix if I didn't support them, but at the same time I want to see the organization do the things necessary to make us proud and excited. Simply having a team is not reason enough.
If we lived in Wisconsin and had nothing to do but eat cheese and watch the Packers, then yes I would support that argument. But if I was on the bubble about tix and times were tough, I would rather go to the beach for the cost of half a tank of gas than sweat my ass off to watch 3 consecutive false starts and a blocked field goal returned for a TD.
Yes drafting has been bad over the yrs. I think they have recognized that now.
I know that Del Rio has been given this year as "rebuilding" mode (on top of the fat contract he got not too long ago). Listening to the sports pundits today, I am starting to agree a bit that perhaps he shouldn't stay much longer. One playoff win in seven years? That's a long time in today's NFL. Not good. He has had a revolving door of coordinators/assistants over that time and still the same product. Those in the "know" say it would be disastrous to fire him during the season (especially early in the season) but, with the current fan climate (ie disastrous ticket sales) it would be interesting to see if they could bring in a proven commodity like Cowher. I think he will resurface somewhere. By all accounts, yesterday was a low point in team history. About 10,000 asses in the seats in the second half for what was once an NFL hungry city.
QuoteThe "I'm not going until the team is good" argument is getting old. The product is the NFL game day experience... you don't deserve anything more than that. So many critical comments on the cost of the game and how Weaver should drop the prices to nothing because nothing should be sacrificed. If you want something bad enough you sacrifice. You save. You skip your vacation this year. You don't go blow all your money on Jager Bombs. You save a little buy your tickets and watch your godam team lose and you take it like a godam man. I have blisters on my forehead from the sun, no voice from screaming at the refs but I wouldn't have been anywhere else yesterday.
This kid gets it!!
I am happy the Jaguars got beat yesterday for a few reasons. Jacksonville needs to feel the pain of being a loser. Jacksonville tricked the NFL into thinking that Jacksonville has many NFL fans, but the truth is, it has a lot of Gator FOOTBALL fans. The People of Jacksonville are not NFL fans and that is what the Jaguars represent, NFL football. People saying they do not want to pay for bad product?? That is the dumbest thing every said. It is NFL FOOTBALL. You are a fan of the teal and black, a fan of that cat with the teal tongue, that is what Jacksonville should be proud of and support. So people are saying if the wins are not guaranteed they will not support?? WOW!!!It is NFL Football country bunkers, Ed Austin and crew said that Jacksonville was ready to play.....play forever? or just 1995? You people have no sense of the big picture. A win feels GREAT, when you know how it feels to lose. Short sighted nonsense about not supporting the team because you are not interested in Arizona Cardinals or because there is a chance they may lose. So Jacksonville wants guaranteed wins huh? LAME! The Season Opener, and the city can not get up for it? They can lose 62 to 7, it is still the opener. It looks bad man. Really bad, a lose is ok, but empty seats goes a very long way. Says a lot about Jacksonville sports fans, who are not really sports fans, but spoiled Gator Football fans with a small minded country boy thought process.
"If the win ain't guaranteed dog gone it I ain't going"
It needs to said man. Jacksonville citizens really need to see the big picture. It is the citizens fault the Jaguars lost like they did yesterday. It is not like Jacksonville was at the game. I don't care how much I am being payed, if the people that are SUPPOSED to support me don't support me, it is going to hurt and I am not going to perform well. It is human nature and those dudes are not programmed robots. Every time the there is a Blackout I hope the Jaguars lose and lose BADLY, so Jacksonville can be familiar with that bitter taste. Many of them expect way too much, many don't understand that the Jags are in the AFC South and not the SEC, and many are flip flopping bandwagon fans. 16 games a week, every week 16 teams lose. The modern day NFL is only 45 years old. 32 teams, 15 have never won anything, 5 have never been to the big dance. Jacksonville is in the 15 club and the 5 club. If you do not have the patience to love the team that represents the city in which you live ,BUT you claim you are an NFL fan the Browns and the Lions say you need to grow a pair.
And if you really want to wine, hey the Jacksonville Suns won their 5th Championship in 47 years!! So it ain't all that bad in Jax country bunkers.
Think Big Jax and not temp thinkers. One day YOU PEOPLE will get it.
I know...I know...blah...blah...only those from the Northeast are true NFL fans. Jax is just a hick town that is only interested in college (we don't have the "pedigree")...heard it all...disagree with it all. Pretty smart fan base here in some areas. Not so patient at times I suppose.
Stands are just as empty for a Suns game regardless of their record. Hockey team didn't get support either. I hope no one thinks the Jax people are riding and hour and half to see their beloved Gators. No there right at home on the couch. Coolyfett you made some good points. There's no denying Jags need to compete and play better. Saying you'd rather be here and there because they suck = bandwagoners/fairweather. First signs the boat starts taking on water they jump ship. Way too many of these in this cities way too many.
Well said Coolyfett!
To me, the Jaguars seem to be in a position unique to the NFL. Best-case scenarios and altruism aside, I think the Jags need to be a playoff contender in order to succeed in Jacksonville, especially in this economy. When you factor in all of the transplants in this market, the relatively young age of the franchise, the fair weather nature of most sports fans in Florida (Bucs aside), and the diminutive size of the market relative other NFL cities, I think that's the reality of the situation. While other larger markets can get away with, say, one out of every fifty fans buying a ticket to the game, Jacksonville needs a much higher amount per-capita. You can argue the definition of true fandom and the NFL experience until the cows come home, but I question whether the city of Jacksonville can support a perpetual loser. It hasn't been proven yet. I have no doubt that a winning team that the city is excited about will fill the stadium (not enough to get the scalpers rich, but enough to avoid blackouts), but until we get a few generations deep, realistically, I think it's going to be really difficult to avoid blackouts with a losing team. That's why, to me, if the Jags are going to make a move (like a coaching change), it needs to come sooner than later. Not two games into the season, but if we find ourselves moving toward 0-5 territory, you can't afford to wait until next season. Not in this market. The Jags need to win sooner than later. It's just the reality of the situation.
Do you know what light rail and the Jags have in common, neither will be built into the caliber the people of Jax want to see in the next 10 years. LOL!
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 21, 2009, 11:30:00 PM
Do you know what light rail and the Jags have in common, neither will be built into the caliber the people of Jax want to see in the next 10 years. LOL!
Actually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!
Yeah your right. You ever think about working for TU, would be a great fit for you.(mtrain)
QuoteActually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this blog!!!! LOL!
Quote from: mtraininjax on September 21, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
QuoteActually, it might gives the Jags a unique advantage when a billion dollar elevated BRT line inevitably finds itself placed directly down the middle of the field. If there's one thing this city has, it's Vision~!
That is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this blog!!!! LOL!
The best part is that the line probably wouldn't have an exit for the stadium. You'd have to exit onto the Main Street Bridge, leap from the bus, and hope to have your fall cushioned by one of the mayor's hot dog carts.
You decided on Detroit and Cleveland to compare as Losers... (Detroit & Cleveland have 4 NFL Championships a piece... since you decided to cut it off 45 years ago, you discount both teams traditions, winning seasons and in some accounts dominance of the rest of the league).
I find it very difficult to accept an argument that says a team needs to lose. In fact a winning or losing record doesn't speaking anything for a fanbase or city being winners or losers, it speaks to whether a bunch of high paid (notice I didn't say over paid... players are worth whatever someone chooses to pay them) professional football players are winners or losers.
This all sounds like an old comedy routine.... Dana Carvey's group old man, right?
"In My Day, our NFL teams didn't win... and WE LIKED IT! WE LOVED IT!"
Fair-weather fans think this is some kind of Polish standoff between them & Weaver... and the attitude is worse than these "over-paid" players. What you think you deserve is unrealistic. It's proven all over the league at every lost home game with full stands. If Jacksonville can't figure this out.... than we are just a hick town that deserves to not have a professional sports team.
Quote from: DavidWilliams on September 21, 2009, 07:44:02 PM
I know that Del Rio has been given this year as "rebuilding" mode (on top of the fat contract he got not too long ago). Listening to the sports pundits today, I am starting to agree a bit that perhaps he shouldn't stay much longer. One playoff win in seven years? That's a long time in today's NFL. Not good. He has had a revolving door of coordinators/assistants over that time and still the same product. Those in the "know" say it would be disastrous to fire him during the season (especially early in the season) but, with the current fan climate (ie disastrous ticket sales) it would be interesting to see if they could bring in a proven commodity like Cowher. I think he will resurface somewhere. By all accounts, yesterday was a low point in team history. About 10,000 asses in the seats in the second half for what was once an NFL hungry city.
Well, it wasn't quite
that awful; I was there to the end and there were well more than 10,000 around for the second half, though there was an exodus in the third quarter. There was even some buzz and some good crowd noise (for what amount of a crowd there was) when the Jags made their comeback attempt, leading up to Hughes' tragic drop in the end zone.
Despite the bad performance, I am proud to have flown down from Va for the game and yelled until I had no voice left all through the game, and to have bought my usual cornucopia of Jags merchandise. I'll be standing there until the bitter end, but I hope that end is not at hand anytime in my lifetime.
Sam Kouvaris has a great take on the latest game in this early season. He said he's known Weaver since the beginning and he takes losing personally, as we all do. This is Del Rio's last year if he has a losing season, contract or no contract, Weaver will not take another losing season with him.
http://www.news4jax.com/sports/21037244/detail.html
Good article. I guess JDR thinks he can win every game 12 to 9. Well when the opponent scores 31 then what do you. Pretend your Ben, Brady, or Manning in a 2 min offense. Did anyone see how much time ran off the clock when DG got sacked, before someone had sense to call a TO. I was like WOW this team is clueless and lost. What I saw was the same ol same ol run, run, dump to MJD, dropped pass, 3rd down, punt. We know the team is rebuilding, but Sunday, that wasn't an NFL team out there nor coach. I'll be glad when fall weather gets here because its seems even hotter out there when you've watched what we witnessed Last Sunday!!!
JDR will be gone after this year. Weaver can't get 40k for each game and keep everything status quo. I think Gene Smith brings in his own coach. It would likely be a young, offensive minded coach. Somebody in the Sean Payton/Josh McDaniel mold. I was thinking Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh would be a nice to consider. I also think the Jaguars draft a QB early but it won't be Tebow.
Jags definitely need to keep making moves in the off season, new coach and a new QB are a must. Stir some emotion back up in this city, other than the normal "Jags Suck" attitude.....