Metro Jacksonville

Buy tickets people and support the Jags and the City of Jacksonville!!!!!!!!!!

I bought tix for 2 home games and I may buy a third.  GO JAGS!

I've got four.  And if you can't use them (and I usually can't because I live in Virginia), you can always donate them to an organization such as the USO, Historical Society, or Boys & Girls Clubs.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on August 06, 2009, 12:07:43 PM
I've got four.  And if you can't use them (and I usually can't because I live in Virginia), you can always donate them to an organization such as the USO, Historical Society, or Boys & Girls Clubs.

More people in this city need to have that attitude Wacca, it's a win win across the board.

You know I think some people don't really realize what having the Jags here does for this city. It is something that this city needs, it lures business here, jobs here, people downtown, and when they have a home game, it is the biggest thing going on in Jacksonville. If you have never been to a game, you are missing out. My wife hates football on TV, but still insists on going to at least two games every year, and she always has a great time. If we were in most other cities that have NFL teams, we wouldn't even be able to get tickets. I came here from NYC 8 years ago and bought my season tix 5 years ago. I am now a true Jag fan and love the fact that I am a season ticket holder. This is something in NYC I would have had to be on a waiting list for years to get Giants or Jets season tix.

I would buy tickets but it's not a priority for my family and our money needs.

I think the Jags are okay and good for the city but I think families are keeping money tighter to the belt this year.

DONE! 5th year section 204...No where else I would consider being on a Sunday in the fall...This year was hard due to $$$, but other sacrifices were made.   GO JAGS!

With two young children, I no longer can commit to season tickets. But I will buy single game tickets whenever I can.

I will be at everygame...working though. So hopefully the place is packed, and I can make good money for 10 days of work.

If the Jags were 11-5 last year, instead of 5-11, I'd have purchased them, but they have to prove to me that Gene Smith has the right players on the field. I still think Del Rio is a dud, the only reason he did not get fired last year is that Weaver is more patient than I would have been.

If they make it out of September 3-1, I'll go to some games, walk-up seats still count, don't forget.

Everybody click on the little mouse...

http://www.jaguars.com/tickets/

GO JAGS!

OCKLAWAHA

Gotem! I only bought 2 this year, bought 4 last year to bring friends/family but some went to waste. Perhaps next year.

BTW, if anyone is interested I found out they have a mobile site:
http://m.jaguars.com

GO JAGS! ;D ;D ;D ;D

I actually volunteer for the Jaguars Champions Club, and sell tickets. I get a weekly inventory list so if anyone here is wondering about the process of buying tickets--I'd love to help you out!

This is my first year volunteering with the Jags and so far I've sold 11 season tickets. My goal was 15 so help me out!! :)

If you are over 21 Kristin, please got to your local watering hole and talk to the manager or owner about buying those other 4 tickets which will get you to 15. Thanks for supporting the Jags and the city.

Quote from: cdb on August 13, 2009, 11:52:25 AM
If you are over 21 Kristin, please got to your local watering hole and talk to the manager or owner about buying those other 4 tickets which will get you to 15. Thanks for supporting the Jags and the city.

Yeah...I'm 28 :)

Good idea! I've been leaving my business cards everywhere I go. Bar bathrooms, bar stools, library books, everywhere!

OK just had a co-worker buy 2 season tickets. It's his first year with tickets. Working on another co-worker that's going to buy 2 tickets on the half season pack. Kristin, how do you get involved with the Jags Champions Club and what are the benefits of it? Obviously, other than supporting the team?

I am not a member (I tried to join but was disqualified for not living within driving distance of the stadium), but I know they get some special behind-the-scenes benefits such as the post-draft dinner with the rookies, coaches, and some veteran players; as well as getting to go on the field before certain games.  On Jaguars.com there is an application to join the club and I am pretty sure it lists some of the benefits.

Go Jags!!!!   I was a season ticket holder for years.  I plan to be again.  I agree the city of Jacksonville needs the Jags.

Granted it was only pre season game one last night but... I did not see too much to get excited about... :-[

Garrard making 10 million a year is a joke.

Garrard definitely looks suspect, that laid back attitude he has makes me nervous. There were some good things last night though. 2 interceptions. we scored a TD that was called back but they never showed the actual hold they threw the flag for, so not really sure what happened there. 3rd round pick Knighton was impressive, that's what we need. A big body to push the opponent OLine back into their QB. MJD playing one series, what is that? Anyway I am still confident we can have a good year and already have our plans set for tailgating this Saturday, it will be an all day affair, NFL football is back baby!!!!! Go Jags!!!

I am so glad that football is back!!!! My weekends will finally have meaning once again.  I can't wait to watch every game from somewhere DT.

I think most of the rookies I saw (Monroe, Dillard, Miller, Knighton) looked very solid. I think Considine, Holt and Tra Thomas look like good additions. Garrard is still the key and that has me worried. I don't see him as an elite QB, which is how he is being paid. There was at least one sack last night that he had enough time but help onto the ball too long and got sacked.

Man, it was GREAT to watch some football!!!!!!


I agree, nothing overly exciting but it was the first preseason game.  IMO, the rookies stepping up will be the key this season.  Garrard should be solid.

Quote from: copperfiend on August 18, 2009, 09:57:42 AM
I think most of the rookies I saw (Monroe, Dillard, Miller, Knighton) looked very solid. I think Considine, Holt and Tra Thomas look like good additions. Garrard is still the key and that has me worried. I don't see him as an elite QB, which is how he is being paid. There was at least one sack last night that he had enough time but help onto the ball too long and got sacked.

I think Garrard has no confidence in the recievers (except Holt) and thats why he holds the ball too long and gets sacked, he doesnt think they will be where they are supposed to be hen he throws... he is going to have to trust them and hopefully they are in the right spot and catch the ball. might as well do it in pre-season....

Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 18, 2009, 09:53:18 AM
I am so glad that football is back!!!! My weekends will finally have meaning once again.  I can't wait to watch every game from somewhere DT.

Zissou you might only be able to watch those away games at a bar downtown, for the home games, u better get some tix, cause they will most likely be blacked out....

It'll be nice to get some national network broadcasting (at least for the away games).  No fault to Tony Boselli, but the CBS 47 broadcast last night was terrible on all accounts (audio/video) - and has been for a couple of years now.  3rd down and.................BLACK SCREEN!  Surely, technology has evolved better than this.  Not to be a Wendy Whiner, but it wasn't the 1st time.

You are 100% correct Blizz... it was awful... unprofessional... unacceptable... exceedingly poor...amatuerish... embarrassing.

P.S.  Farve Favre is now a Viking...

^Can this guy just go away?

Yes, I thought the broadcast was a slight step above my High School A/V class.  Wow.

With regard to the Jags themselves, my concern is that Garrard doesn't seem to have a lot of confidence in anyone but Holt.  This will take time.  That, and the fact that the O-Line has been suspect wouldn't give ANYONE a lot of confidence.

My grade for the Passing game would be I for Incomplete.  Manuwai didn't start, and I don't see Tra Thomas starting.  The true test is the third preseason game.  That to me will tell us what kind of year we will have.

CBS in Jacksonville could be the worst station in the nation. That's no exaggeration.

The best thing about the Jags season starting last night is that Del Rio will be gone at the end of the season, his mediocre record of 50-46 will go upside down this year and he will be shown the door.

I agree with the broadcast,but since I will be at the games I wont have to worry about that again. I would have gone to the Miami game if it wasnt on a Monday night. From what I saw even though this is preseason we are in for a long season. DG didnt not look good at all.

It's the first game in pre-season, lets see what happens this week. Everyone will settle down a little bit and I think we are still looking at a 9-7 season, which a decent chance of 10-6 ad a playoff spot. I pay $1300 for my season tickets, I have to remain positive...

Dang, can you buy me one too?

I like how people are taking the FIRST PRESEASON GAME so seriously.

If the Jags don't win the 2nd preseason game we are doomed for the year...

Quote from: reednavy on August 19, 2009, 12:33:34 PM
I like how people are taking the FIRST PRESEASON GAME so seriously.

Seriously. So distraught and from what? A 5-11 team with 30 rookies? A mediocre performance in a preseason game with 11 plays by the 1st team and no game planning?

True enough... no need to panic but... I have watched some other teams so far this preseason that looked pretty sharp.  The Dolphins surely didnt look any better than the Jags but clearly some teams in this league are farther along than the Jags at this time.

Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 19, 2009, 12:51:24 PM
True enough... no need to panic but... I have watched some other teams so far this preseason that looked pretty sharp.  The Dolphins surely didnt look any better than the Jags but clearly some teams in this league are farther along than the Jags at this time.

No offense BT but... of course they are. I would expect a 5-11 team with 30 rookies competing for starting jobs at almost every position to perform exactly as they did on Monday. I don't expect a playoff run or superbowl this season. I'm hoping for 8-8, to see the team get better throughout the year and some promise out of the rookies. With lower expectations it's hard to get disappointed.

No doubt.  Perhaps my frustration lies at the feet of the QB position...

And to think we could have signed Vick!

Or Favre? ;D

Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 19, 2009, 01:33:35 PM
No doubt.  Perhaps my frustration lies at the feet of the QB position...

Agreed. The team goes as far as Garrard can lead them and right now it isn't very far. His flaws (holding onto the ball too long, locking on receivers) have been there since he arrived. He has worked with different head coaches, different offensive coordinators and different QB coaches. I am sure they all tried to work with him. It seems like when the pressure is on, he cannot stand in the pocket and win a game.

Quote from: copperfiend on August 19, 2009, 02:58:36 PM

Quote from: BridgeTroll on August 19, 2009, 01:33:35 PM
No doubt.  Perhaps my frustration lies at the feet of the QB position...

Agreed. The team goes as far as Garrard can lead them and right now it isn't very far. His flaws (holding onto the ball too long, locking on receivers) have been there since he arrived. He has worked with different head coaches, different offensive coordinators and different QB coaches. I am sure they all tried to work with him. It seems like when the pressure is on, he cannot stand in the pocket and win a game.

The QB situation is similar to the preseason "the sky is falling" madness. In 07 Garrard broke many passing records set by Brunell in the glory years and took the team to the divisional round of the playoffs.. wipe out a couple td drops in the New England game and who knows.

He spent all of last year on his back behind a decimated o-line and dismal running game. The o-line is now healthy, has new blood and may establish the teams 07 identity. If they do and Garrard fails to make plays then we can blame him... but it's too soon.

If there was a viable free agent or draft pick the team would've pursued it... but there wasn't Vick & Favre included.

Obviously the O-line was beyond terrible last yr...but signing Vick would have at least brought the Jags some attention and maybe some excitement.
I seriously think this is one of the most boring franchises around...I can't find excitement anywhere.

The excitement for the monster truck show is at least 100x's the excitement level for the Jaguars.

Quote from: 77danj7 on August 19, 2009, 03:38:12 PM
The excitement for the monster truck show is at least 100x's the excitement level for the Jaguars.

Nice try but no.

Quote from: 77danj7 on August 19, 2009, 03:37:13 PM
Obviously the O-line was beyond terrible last yr...but signing Vick would have at least brought the Jags some attention and maybe some excitement.
I seriously think this is one of the most boring franchises around...I can't find excitement anywhere.

I could give a sh*t about receivers that change their name to the incorrectly translated # on their jersey or ones with reality shows or ones raising grandchildren and skipping camp and causing team chemistry to implode or ex-cons that haven't played the game in over a year and that weren't that great to begin with or college qb / deities that have never played the pro set or at NFL speed.

Winning games is exciting... everything else is just a circus and drama.

But a team that doesn't win, has their games blacked out, can't run, can't pass is exciting?

Quote from: 77danj7 on August 19, 2009, 03:55:33 PM
But a team that doesn't win, has their games blacked out, can't run, can't pass is exciting?

A team building through the draft, creating a nucleus of players is more important than washed up big name distractions. Look at the Steelers... a player becomes a super star but also a distraction they let him go. They keep their good players at a fair price and bring in new blood. They also win championships. I believe that's what the Jags intend to do. I support that.

There are no excuses for blackouts. We have a competitive team most years and the best prices in the NFL.
The games as a product are just that; games. There always has to be a loser and sometimes it's the home team. As much as I wanted to see wins last season, I look back at some close nail biter contests that were exhilarating even in a loss. I support the team in good & bad and don't buy into the hype... big names or high expectations.

I agree about tyring to build through the draft...I just think the Jags need some help on how to build through the draft.  I know that no player is going to be a "guarantee" but it sure seems like we know how to pick the busts...The only other team with as much bad luck especially with first round picks could be the Raiders!

We picked very smart this year though, big men and drafted wr's later.... I think the Jags made some really good picks and think over the next 2-3 years, Harvey, Knighton, Monroe, Cox and Britton will be very solid players. MJD is still young, Holt hopefully has something left in the tank, and if Garrard doesn't perform this year, I think the Jags will make a move on him. Del Rio probably has a pass this yea with all the young guys on the team

Quote from: 77danj7 on August 19, 2009, 04:42:37 PM
I agree about tyring to build through the draft...I just think the Jags need some help on how to build through the draft.  I know that no player is going to be a "guarantee" but it sure seems like we know how to pick the busts...The only other team with as much bad luck especially with first round picks could be the Raiders!

They did make moves beyond the draft. Torry Holt, Tra Thomas, Sean Considine, Gerald Alexander etc. etc.

The problem with almost all big name veteran acquisitions is that they're all busts too. I'd be hard pressed to name 5 high dollar players that have made the difference for the team that paid for them.

It's a new front office with a totally different plan.

Well first preseason game or not. DG did not look good at all. I will be there Sat and I hope to see better performances from the whole team. I am glad the football season has started.

QuotePackers fans might be upset, but Vikings fans have embraced their new quarterback, as evidenced by the Vikings' ticket sales.

The team has sold sold more than 3,200 season tickets since news broke, and about 11,000 single-game tickets during that time. Seats for the Oct. 5 game against Green Bay are available only through a season ticket. There are roughly 6,000 season tickets remaining.

Last season, the Vikings had to race to beat the blackout deadline for several games.

People might not like publicity stunts or drama but the post above proves time and time again that they work for excitement, sales, and revenue for the team.  A lot of people with buy a purple Favre jersey over a Tavarius Jackson jersey...

3,200 season tix is a drop in the bucket. For what they're paying Favre they would need to charge $4K per ticket.

Quote from: 77danj7 on August 19, 2009, 11:09:29 PM
People might not like publicity stunts or drama but the post above proves time and time again that they work for excitement, sales, and revenue for the team.  A lot of people with buy a purple Favre jersey over a Tavarius Jackson jersey...

And then next year when he re-retires, there will be 4k people who don't renew tickets. It's like the Landshark Stadium in Miami. A one year gimmick.

I'd be open to gimmicks at this juncture.

Looked to me like Miami's stands were pretty empty too. People just have no desire to spend the kind of money the NFL demands in these days and times. Things more important like paying electricty and getting groceries matter more. I am glad there are a number of people who can go to the games, but for the average Jax citizen, it is just not priority. Sorry.

Quote from: Dapperdan on August 20, 2009, 10:34:45 AM
Looked to me like Miami's stands were pretty empty too. People just have no desire to spend the kind of money the NFL demands in these days and times. Things more important like paying electricty and getting groceries matter more. I am glad there are a number of people who can go to the games, but for the average Jax citizen, it is just not priority. Sorry.

Miami distributed more than 60K tickets to Mondays pre-season game. Even if the fans didn't show the tickets were paid for and the game would've been televised.

QuoteMiami distributed more than 60K tickets

in what capacity?  Corporate buy up for preseason football or existing season ticket holders?  Where's the logic in paying for something with no intention of using it?

I still find it hard to believe people think the pre-season will dictate the regular season. It's just plain laughable.

Quote from: reednavy on August 20, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
I still find it hard to believe people think the pre-season will dictate the regular season. It's just plain laughable.

I agree 150%.... Lets see how we look in game 2 & 3 of pre-season and see what the team does to get better prior to season starting... We are exprimenting with new defensive fronts. We have a bunch of new players and rookies.... I think people in Jax are going to miss some really good games this year. BUY JAGS TICKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think if the Jaguars win at Indy on opening day, tickets sales for the game vs. Arizona would benefit. The Jags always play the Colts tough in Indy (winning in 2004 and last year) and the Colts could be without both starting safeties and one starting corner.

Quote from: blizz01 on August 20, 2009, 11:22:09 AM

QuoteMiami distributed more than 60K tickets

in what capacity?  Corporate buy up for preseason football or existing season ticket holders?  Where's the logic in paying for something with no intention of using it?

Why does it have to be corporate buy ups? Miami doesn't have enough wealthy to buy tix on the off chance they may have nothing to do and go to the game... and yes that is better than not selling the tickets at all. There is no talk about gimmicks, or of the team moving to another city or old veteran acquisitions. The team makes their money, the fans can watch the games on t.v. and the metro area doesn't get critisized. Sounds like a better situation then what we have here.

While I agree that the current situation for the Dolphins may seem better on the surface, Miami has never been known as a market with brisk ticket sales in ANY major league sport - take the Marlins as a prime example.  The Dolphins have been fortunate as of late with a run of naming/sponsorship rights, however, the celebrity minority ownership roster seems odd at best.   Just last year, they were facing blackouts for Dolphins games on more than one occasion.  I cannot fathom anyone buying a "just in case" preseason football ticket.  They may have a higher income demographic overall, but they're certainly not a different species.

There situation doesn't just seem better it is better. Even though they have tickets available they still have enough sold in season tickets to avoid blackouts preaseason included.

Well, this outta send a mixed message to the organization - I wonder how many will actually "pony up" now.

QuoteJacksonville City Council committee votes to stop paying for Jaguars tickets
If politicians want to go to games, they'll have to use their own money

QuoteThe Jacksonville City Council's Finance Committee voted today to stop paying for tickets to fill two city hall suites during Jaguars games.

The move would save $43,000 and would take effect this season.

Currently, the mayor's office and City Council split an allocation of 40 tickets and eight skybox passes for each home game. The deal has been in place since the Jaguars began play in 1995. Initially, there was one big suite, but a wall was built later to create separate spaces for council members and the mayor's office.

I like this comment  "Councilman Bill Bishop understands the rationale, but countered by saying, "That alone sends a message to the city in general and the Jaguars that we don't support the team.""

I guess he never thought that HE could just go out and buy season tickets with his own money. I'm sure that's another good way to support the team. I swear this council is a douche.

"Save 43k?"  What a joke.  LETS PAINT THE HART BRIDGE TEAL.  Support the team!!! I apologize in advance for my lack of useful comment in this post.

You know, I know this is going to be an unpoular statement, but I have no problem with the City of Jacksonville owning a suite and tickets. The City in an offcial capacity should be supporting the team. Who cares if a City Council person or the Mayor wants to use the tickets or a suite to entertain out of town guests. They should be doing this to show off the City, Stadium and our only professional sports team. Wow they saved a whopping $43,000, big deal.

With 43k, they could probably two full time parking ticket "officers" downtown.

^^don't give them any ideas!

Thank you fsujax, it's laughable how much money the city squanders like a kid with daddy's credit card but then decides to take a stand on $43k for our own sports team.  Unbelievable.  

Quote from: fsujax on August 20, 2009, 02:45:24 PM
You know, I know this is going to be an unpoular statement, but I have no problem with the City of Jacksonville owning a suite and tickets. The City in an offcial capacity should be supporting the team. Who cares if a City Council person or the Mayor wants to use the tickets or a suite to entertain out of town guests. They should be doing this to show off the City, Stadium and our only professional sports team. Wow they saved a whopping $43,000, big deal.

I agree with you, it is good for the city to show off the Jags and use that as a way to get business here to Jax.... More business = more jobs.... $43K is not worth to lose that....

Or fire one of the parking ticket officers.... save money and retail stimulus all with one move, and keep the city tickets.

And allow more Jacksonville residents to buy Jaguar tickets with the extra money they have from no parking tickets.

Good work today boys cutting out budget money for tickets to games in the city of which you reside and supposedly govern.  Way to go, thats the home team spirit!  No No Mr. and Mrs. Weaver, you haven't done enough for our community yet, I believe it was just yesterday they awarded $713k in grants to local children but we.... alright I'll quit ranting.

I love the Jags, but let's get real here. Even with some of the lowest ticket prices in the league, we're still talking over $50 for the worst seat in the house. With parking or a shuttle and a few overpriced drinks, I'm looking at close to $150 to take my wife to a game, or over $250 for a family. You can take your family to Disney World for that. I've got all the civic pride in the world, but I get really tired of all the "there's no excuse for not buying tickets" rhetoric. That is a RIDICULOUS amount of money to pay in today's economic climate. INSANE even, if you're watching your spending. If someone can afford it fine, but I refuse to feel guilty if I'd rather stretch my finances and spend my entertainment money elsewhere.

The Jags are a business. The organization's job is to put a product on the field successful and entertaining enough that people do them the honor of spending their hard-earned money to go out and see their team play on Sundays. The "Oh my God if we don't all worship and rain our cash on Wayne Weaver and the Jags they might up and leave!" loser complex gets rather depressing. Jacksonville's a small market with a big stadium. The organization knew what they were getting into when they made their bid for the team. Not my cross to bear.

If the team is serious about a long-term commitment to Jacksonville, and is sincere in their desire to build future generations of Jags fans, lower ticket prices. I don't know how the NFL pricing structure works, or if there is a mandatory price floor, but you can get cheap seats to Major League Baseball games for as low as $5-$15 in some smaller (and larger) markets. Would certainly be a lot more palatable for a young family than the current prices. I would probably end up going to nearly every game if I could walk up to the box office on game day and buy a $20 ticket in the nosebleeds.

Expecting to move in the neighborhood of 70,000 exclusively high-priced tickets with the combination of a bad economy, a small market, and a poor season last year -- get real.

I do think it's pretty stupid for the city to dump their ticket though.

43k?

With all the money they squander, that's a drop in the bucket.

Quote from: KenFSU on August 20, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
I love the Jags, but let's get real here. Even with some of the lowest ticket prices in the league, we're still talking over $50 for the worst seat in the house. With parking or a shuttle and a few overpriced drinks, I'm looking at close to $150 to take my wife to a game, or over $250 for a family. You can take your family to Disney World for that. I've got all the civic pride in the world, but I get really tired of all the "there's no excuse for not buying tickets" rhetoric. That is a RIDICULOUS amount of money to pay in today's economic climate. INSANE even, if you're watching your spending. If someone can afford it fine, but I refuse to feel guilty if I'd rather stretch my finances and spend my entertainment money elsewhere.

The Jags are a business. The organization's job is to put a product on the field successful and entertaining enough that people do them the honor of spending their hard-earned money to go out and see their team play on Sundays. The "Oh my God if we don't all worship and rain our cash on Wayne Weaver and the Jags they might up and leave!" loser complex gets rather depressing. Jacksonville's a small market with a big stadium. The organization knew what they were getting into when they made their bid for the team. Not my cross to bear.

If the team is serious about a long-term commitment to Jacksonville, and is sincere in their desire to build future generations of Jags fans, lower ticket prices. I don't know how the NFL pricing structure works, or if there is a mandatory price floor, but you can get cheap seats to Major League Baseball games for as low as $5-$15 in some smaller (and larger) markets. Would certainly be a lot more palatable for a young family than the current prices. I would probably end up going to nearly every game if I could walk up to the box office on game day and buy a $20 ticket in the nosebleeds.

Expecting to move in the neighborhood of 70,000 exclusively high-priced tickets with the combination of a bad economy, a small market, and a poor season last year -- get real.

I do think it's pretty stupid for the city to dump their ticket though.

43k?

With all the money they squander, that's a drop in the bucket.

Keep in mind though, MLB teams play over 80 games a year at home, so lowering prices is a must for those Mon-Wed night games.... This is 10 games and if you can't afford them, I understand that.... But don't think that they would be able to lower tickets to $20 and then also put a good product on the field... $20 tickets and we would be The Replacements....

Ken, you're right about 1 thing... the Jaguars are a business. They have a bottom line just like every company and lately they're not meeting it. Lowering ticket prices into the red isn't going to help their business now or in the future. Instead they offer the lowest prices in the country, payment options, half packs and single game tix for arguably the most popular sport in the world. Men risk their lives, their bodies and their futures to play this game and they're paid handsomely for that. To pay the players and run a successful team they need your entertainment wallet share. Some blow it on high dollar retail, expensive cars and dinners at fine restaurants. We need people in this city to be as passionate about our team as those other things... and I don't see BMW, Bistro AIX or Coach dropping their prices or offering prices lower than what they sell for elsewhere.

If you're not a fan of the team or you're in some financial distress by all means don't feel guilty about not buying tickets.

QuoteExpecting to move in the neighborhood of 70,000 exclusively high-priced tickets with the combination of a bad economy, a small market, and a poor season last year -- get real.

Tell that to San Antonio who is chomping at the bit for a team... or Buffalo that has sold out their games.

QuoteIf the team is serious about a long-term commitment to Jacksonville, and is sincere in their desire to build future generations of Jags fans,

Yeah wheres the commitment? http://jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=8118 (http://jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=8118)

As far as the 43k thing...When this was being considered last week, WJXT reported that the city spends over 200k in the suites wining and dining. So overall they are saving a quarter of a million, but I am sure this decision is weighed heavier by the appearance rather than the actual costs.

Quote from: Lucasjj on August 20, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
As far as the 43k thing...When this was being considered last week, WJXT reported that the city spends over 200k in the suites wining and dining. So overall they are saving a quarter of a million, but I am sure this decision is weighed heavier by the appearance rather than the actual costs.

Thats the price of doing business, and if the city is bringing business to Cecil and the ports, then I say it is well worth it, whether it is $43K or $200K....

Side note - always nice to see a little MJD RESPEK!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jumping-out-of-a-pool-Maurice-Jones-Drew-chuckl?urn=nfl,184098

The absolute last accusation anyone should level at Wayne Weaver is a lack of commitment to Jacksonville.

Quote from: KenFSU on August 20, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
I love the Jags, but let's get real here. Even with some of the lowest ticket prices in the league, we're still talking over $50 for the worst seat in the house.

No, we're not.  Tickets start at $39.  I realize that's still substantial, but it's a good bit less than over $50.  (I mention that not to be corrective or anything, but because I think there may be some misconceptions about the cost of the tickets themselves.  I know there are other game costs like parking and concessions.)

And I'd add that the "worst seat in the house" at JMS is still a GOOD seat.  The lines of sight and gameday experience at JMS are fantastic no matter where you sit.  (I know because I have those $39 seats...)  My dad attends several Redskins games a year and that stadium can't touch JMS.  Steeper, worse sight lines, some obstructed views, significantly worse video boards and score boards, worse sound system, much more obnoxious fans, no entertaining and death-defying mascot. 

Quoteno entertaining and death-defying mascot. 

Another side note - WE HAVE THE BEST MASCOT IN THE NFL - BY FAR.

QuoteIf the team is serious about a long-term commitment to Jacksonville, and is sincere in their desire to build future generations of Jags fans,

Yeah wheres the commitment? http://jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=8118 (http://jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=8118)

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The commitment is more than just financial.  The difference between how the Jaguars treat their fans and how other franchises do is startling.  I do not think any franchise in pro sports gives its fans more access to the players, from training camp to the draft party.  The ticket office goes out of its way to thank fans and provide opportunities for special gameday experiences.  I don't think I've had a better customer service experience in any purchase in my life than with my Jaguars tickets.  Many franchises treat their fans distantly, as though they are disposable and replaceable.  The Jaguars go beyond the call to do the opposite.

Quote from: blizz01 on August 20, 2009, 05:23:57 PM

Quoteno entertaining and death-defying mascot. 

Another side note - WE HAVE THE BEST MASCOT IN THE NFL - BY FAR.

No contest!

Agreed.

Back to the topic of ticket prices, here's some from around the league that would send the some of our "fans" to the grave:

$100K for a PSL at the new cowboys stadium... just for the right to pay $340 per seat - per game
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/112907dnmetseasontickets.2bd58bf.html (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/112907dnmetseasontickets.2bd58bf.html)

How about $1000 in Pittsburgh for that nosebleed seat that would cost you $39 here JMS?!

http://www.stubhub.com/pittsburgh-steelers-tickets/pittsburgh-steelers-season-tickets-heinz-field-771172/ (http://www.stubhub.com/pittsburgh-steelers-tickets/pittsburgh-steelers-season-tickets-heinz-field-771172/)

Another side note - WE HAVE THE BEST MASCOT IN THE NFL - BY FAR.
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And they took away a lot the he can do in the last few years with not being able to go on the field even in the end zone. Supposedly another teams coach complained about it. I think he is hilarious and from what I heard he makes the most income out of any other mascot in the league.

Without a doubt our Mascot is the best. I know times are tough, but most people should be able to put away a few dollars each check. If you want to sit front row you pay front row prices. I have sat just about everywhere and those nose bleeds seat are not that bad. If you care about you team you'll sit anywhere. Go Jags.

I moved to Jacksonville 2 years ago and I just bought a half pack of tickets.  The half pack is a great deal because you only pay $39/ game in the 400's!  If you like football, then it's really not a bad deal.  There's just not much out there that you can do for $39.  BUY JAGS TICKETS!

Quote from: reednavy on August 20, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
I still find it hard to believe people think the preseason will dictate the regular season. It's just plain laughable.

Thank you ReedNavy!... Detroit went 4-0 in preseason play last year.  Does anyone know how many games they won during the regular season?

Quote from: A-Finnius on August 20, 2009, 09:22:50 PM
Thank you ReedNavy!... Detroit went 4-0 in preseason play last year.  Does anyone know how many games they won during the regular season?

hAHa. But they're gonna make the playoffs this year. It was guaranteed.

Quote from: aaapolito on August 20, 2009, 07:51:27 PM
I moved to Jacksonville 2 years ago and I just bought a half pack of tickets.  The half pack is a great deal because you only pay $39/ game in the 400's!  If you like football, then it's really not a bad deal.  There's just not much out there that you can do for $39.  BUY JAGS TICKETS!

The half pack is a great deal, and the Jags offer layaway and installment programs for season ticket packages as well.

Quote from: A-Finnius on August 20, 2009, 09:22:50 PM

Quote from: reednavy on August 20, 2009, 11:24:12 AM
I still find it hard to believe people think the preseason will dictate the regular season. It's just plain laughable.

Thank you ReedNavy!... Detroit went 4-0 in preseason play last year.  Does anyone know how many games they won during the regular season?

I dont think people were expecting that pathetic performance either on Monday night so I can see why some were a little ticked. Lets see what happens Sat night.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on August 20, 2009, 05:15:27 PM

Quote from: KenFSU on August 20, 2009, 03:03:34 PM
I love the Jags, but let's get real here. Even with some of the lowest ticket prices in the league, we're still talking over $50 for the worst seat in the house.

No, we're not.  Tickets start at $39.  I realize that's still substantial, but it's a good bit less than over $50.  (I mention that not to be corrective or anything, but because I think there may be some misconceptions about the cost of the tickets themselves.  I know there are other game costs like parking and concessions.)

And I'd add that the "worst seat in the house" at JMS is still a GOOD seat.  The lines of sight and gameday experience at JMS are fantastic no matter where you sit.  (I know because I have those $39 seats...)  My dad attends several Redskins games a year and that stadium can't touch JMS.  Steeper, worse sight lines, some obstructed views, significantly worse video boards and score boards, worse sound system, much more obnoxious fans, no entertaining and death-defying mascot. 

I think that's a little unfair though to say that tickets start at $39. While technically correct, in order to get $39 tickets, you have to buy a half pack starting at $200 per ticket. Ticketmaster doesn't list a single ticket under $50 for any single game. With the Ticketmaster fee and luxury of printing my own ticket at home, we're talking closer to $60 per single seat.

Like I said in the original post, I love the Jags, and having been to NFL games in at least five stadiums, I fully agree that we've got awesome sight lines even in the nosebleeds. But that's a lot of freaking money for perhaps the majority of people in this market. The fact that most, if not every, home game is looking to be blacked out this season seems to validate that fact. Comparing ticket prices in Jax to those of much larger metros with much more money floating around is apples and oranges.

I really wasn't looking for an argument, and that link really did give me a much greater appreciation for the Weaver's contributions in NE Florida, but I just get tired of people, mostly coworkers, grilling other people to the effect of "How many Jags tickets have you bought for this season" with the same tone they would use to ask "How many starving children have you sponsored this year?" There are a MILLION causes worth supporting Jacksonville. The Symphony. The museums. Local theaters and restaurants.

And there a million reasons to knock our fellow Jax citizens.

I just don't find a perceived lack of support for the local football team to be a particularly good one.

Yes, NFL players risk their bodies -- even their lives -- every day at work, but so do police officers, firemen, coal workers, road surveyors, construction workers, etc. I do think they deserve to be making a boatload of money for the sheer fact that they are bringing so much revenue in, but TV rights alone for the NFL are so astronomical that there's no excuse for pricing out the blue collar crowd. 10,000 tickets priced at $20 each are going to earn more than 10,000 unsold seats.

My problem with NFL ticket prices, even in a market like Jacksonville, is that they are incredibly exclusionary. My wife taught at Norwood Elementary last year in a really low-income area. When I would stop by to help in the classroom, I met some of the biggest Jags fans that I have ever met. To most of these kids, the idea of actually going to a Jags game is a pipe dream that will probably never be realized. When I'd mention that I was going to the game, they would react with the same sense of wonder and awe as if I had just paid an afternoon visit to the North Pole to meet Santa. That's really unfortunate, and makes it hard for me to view as Jags as fully belonging to the community when a trip to the stadium feels more like a good-old-boys reunion than a true reflection of Jacksonville.

It's less a problem with our situation here than with major sports in general. To me, professional sports peaked in the 1980's. Watch ESPN classic and take a look at the crowds. They were so fantastically working class. Venues like Chicago Stadium, Boston Garden, Soldier Field, and Fenway Park were such great reflections of their respective cities. And then came with the fancy mega stadiums of the 90's (United Center, Fleet Center, etc.) with their luxury suites, state-of-the-art facilities, and soaring ticket prices, and professional sporting events became out of the reach of the heart and soul of most cities and were instead transformed into playgrounds for the white collars and corporate crowds. To me -- and again, this is just my personal opinion -- that's something not worth going out of my way to support quite as much.

$100,000 for the right to buy seats in Indy? $1,000 for a ticket in Pittsburgh. I would never pay that much, but if people are willing to, more power to them. Like I said though, if tickets aren't moving, I think it would be fantastic to price them at a level where some of the less affluent in Jacksonville -- like the aforementioned north side families -- might actually be able to go. As a business, I'd hope the Jags would recognize one of the basic principals of Economics 101 -- Supply and Demand. A million dollars, a thousand dollars, a hundred dollars, whatever. If they aren't selling, than they are probably priced too high for current market conditions.

With that long rant aside -- again, more blowing off steam due to several obnoxious people at work who feel I should somehow be ashamed of myself for holding off on tickets until I see how the team looks -- I do wish the Jags much success this year. I love watching them play, I agree on the mascot, and would LOVE to see them be successful in Jax for decades to come, but I do think the issue is far less black and white than the city not supporting the team.

Ken, imagine how many inner-city kids want for their entire childhood and into their adult life to go to a Steelers, Cowboys or Packers game? Do those teams offer entire sections like the "Honor Rows" or "Family Fun Zone"?

It was only a couple years ago you could buy you're kids school lunches from Winn Dixie and get tickets to the game.

The Weavers do more than any other ownership to provide a chance for everyone to see an NFL game. I think you're missing the big picture as far as ticket prices go too. They're selling them for almost operation cost. There is no more wiggle room in pricing. They can't sell them under cost just to raise them again next year. Instead they offer all the other packages and lowered prices. Family meals for $7 / 7 game Half Packs / 5 game half packs / Payment Installments etc. etc.

Personally I've saved $160 over the past month playing golf at one of the nicer courses in town... and I still have another $160 in coupons to use.

The NFL gameday is a premium experience. It's arguable the highest level of entertainment offered in our city and it's priced extremely reasonable for the product that it is. It's time to start realizing that and stop blaming the team.

While it certainly would be nice if tickets could be sold for $20--I think at one point early in Jaguars history they were available in a few sections for $13?--I am sure that NFL pricing policies prohibit offering certain unsold tickets at a discount.  Also, the reason the Jaguars have to price where they do is that in order to participate in revenue sharing--the reason small-market teams can exist and compete--they must achieve a certain level of revenue that would be unattainable with lower-priced tickets.

It is unfortunate that many of the people with the greatest football passion in the market are priced out of going to games.  But the Jaguars do make an effort to provide that opportunity in the form of the Honor Rows tickets (given to children from high-risk environments who have earned them through their good school performance and behavior) and the USO section.  And there are fans who donate tickets specifically to the Jaguars Foundation, which will transfer the tickets to underprivileged kids and their families.

I don't think it's reasonable to say there isn't a sufficient number of fans in the market who can afford to go to the games, though I hate the fact that many who care deeply are priced out, which the current economy of course exacerbates.  The Jaguars sold 61,000 or more tickets to every game between 2005-2008.  Despite all the hubbub over blackouts in 2007, even the three blacked-out games were near sellouts other than the Atlanta one.  Surely some people have dropped their tickets due to the economy, but I suspect there are a larger number with the means to attend who only support the team when it is winning.  And I say that not to say the city doesn't support the team, because that's one of the last things I would ever say about Jacksonville and I perpetually have to defend it against that charge.  The Jaguars' very high TV ratings (4th best of any market in the league, I think?) are evidence of the city's very strong interest in the team.  There's just a lot of fans with an "I'll only buy when they win" mentality.  I don't mean to be critical of that or start one of those "only if you buy all the time are you a true fan" debates that pollute the jaguars.com message boards constantly.  I just think it's not accurate to say the city can't afford to support the team, or that the team does not make enough of an effort to make its tickets available, because it's doing more than any other team in any pro sport to make itself accessible.

So, I was driving down I-4 on the outskirts of downtown Orlando this morning.  Within five miles I passed two billboards that REALLY caught my attention: The first one promoting the Miami Dolphins & the second promoting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - both advertising ticket availability and/or a great game day experience.  Given the Jag's lackluster ticket sales as of late, I think everyone could assume my next question .......On the flip side of that, I have, in the past, attended several Magic games in Orlando & do know several people in Jax who have or have had season tickets to their games - have we forgotten our neighbors?  Also, never one to fully understand the complexity of the NFL empire, it is curious to me as to what the rules/legalities are specific to franchises engaging in competitive advertising within a "fringe" city like Orlando, which is indeed a Jaguars market as mandated by the NFL (albeit secondary).  Talk about kicking us us while we're down!  A prime example was in '05 when the Dolphins played the Bucs & it was not televised in the Orlando area because the local CBS affiliate was "forced" by the NFL to air the Jaguars game which was scheduled concurrently.  Out of sight, out of mind - the marketing effort(s) should be so "in your face" right now.  Come on Jags - take off the kid gloves!  Oh, that rascally NFL machine. 

Wow what a way to start on offense. It seemed that everyone stood up the same time the ball was in the air. Much better preformance from last week. Defense is still suspect though, must tighten up. And way too many mistakes, dropped balls, and false starts on offense.  Otherwise a good improvement from last week.

All I have to say is that if you weren't at the game, you would not see Garrard's pass until Sunday morning, assuming you had the NFL network. I couldn't imagine being home tonight listening on the radio and not seeing the pass. Wake up Jacksonville!!!!!

QuoteWake up Jacksonville!!!!!

Its fake football, as was mentioned by another poster Detroit went 4-0 last year and ended up never getting a win the rest of the season. You can see New England go 1-3 in the preseason and still compete for the AFC title. One or two good plays by our QB does not make the season. Last year we lost 3 guys from the O-line in the first game and it set the tone for the season.

If the Jags can get out of September with a winning record, that will be a heckuva accomplishment for this team with so many question marks.

It seemed to be a very good crowd I thought. I am so glad there was no holding call on that TD.

True fans, real fans, support their team thru thick and thin, win or lose.  Who cares what Detroit and New England is doing. The fans out there tonight are probably the real fans of this team.

QuoteThe fans out there tonight are probably the real fans of this team.

Yeah, right!

Yeah that is right!!

There will be 40-45k diehard fans at every game this year. They were there last night. It was loud considering how small the crowd was. The games with the most people at them will probably be against Miami, Indy and Buffalo because their fans usually show up in good numbers.

What pleased me more about the opening drive pass was that it was first team against first team.  The defense concerned me, but they seemed to hae a few folks out of position (we will be able to tell next week).  Kick Coverage is awful - that has to get fixed.

The offense looked much better.  The defense and special teams play seems like it's going to be a real concern this year.

I think Gerrard will do much better this year simply because he has the offensive weapons.  I just hope that the offensive coordinator lets him air it out.

Go Jags!

I just want to let everyone know that the national media (i.e. ESPN) will be looking very closely at the Jags this season.  Unfortunately, their reports will have little to do with the product on the field and more to do with the blackouts and prospect of them moving to LA.  There are two things that will solve this problem: 1. winning; and 2. people buy tickets and support the team.  Fortunately for the team, these two solutions are somewhat interrelated as winning often breeds excitement.  However, given the current economic climate, winning may not even get enough people in the seats to lift blackouts.

I suggest that if people really want this team to stay in town, then they should support the team and buy tickets in advance and not just walk ups (walk up ticket purchases do not lift blackouts because of the 48/ 72 hour period prior to the game).

Go Jags!

QuoteSo, I was driving down I-4 on the outskirts of downtown Orlando this morning.  Within five miles I passed two billboards that REALLY caught my attention: The first one promoting the Miami Dolphins & the second promoting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers - both advertising ticket availability and/or a great game day experience.  Given the Jag's lackluster ticket sales as of late, I think everyone could assume my next question .......On the flip side of that, I have, in the past, attended several Magic games in Orlando & do know several people in Jax who have or have had season tickets to their games - have we forgotten our neighbors?  Also, never one to fully understand the complexity of the NFL empire, it is curious to me as to what the rules/legalities are specific to franchises engaging in competitive advertising within a "fringe" city like Orlando, which is indeed a Jaguars market as mandated by the NFL (albeit secondary).  Talk about kicking us us while we're down!  A prime example was in '05 when the Dolphins played the Bucs & it was not televised in the Orlando area because the local CBS affiliate was "forced" by the NFL to air the Jaguars game which was scheduled concurrently.  Out of sight, out of mind - the marketing effort(s) should be so "in your face" right now.  Come on Jags - take off the kid gloves!  Oh, that rascally NFL machine. 

Any thoughts on this?  I assume that the game wasn't shown in Orlando either(?)  Are the Jags even advertising in that area?  They should have more Billboards than South of the Border & Ron Jon up & down I-95, I-4, & I-75 (IMO).

Looks like the Texans are having some ticket sales problems as well....

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/solomon/6587442.html

The Bengals preseason game is blacked out this weekend. The Jets are flying through their waiting list trying to get people to buy tickets. 2009 will be an ugly year for NFL blackouts. I have said it before. The Jaguars aren't the only team with ticket sale problems, just the first to admit it.

I hope CBS gets it right tonight. Probably cut out right when Vick enters the game.

Quote from: copperfiend on August 26, 2009, 03:41:59 PM
The Bengals preseason game is blacked out this weekend. The Jets are flying through their waiting list trying to get people to buy tickets. 2009 will be an ugly year for NFL blackouts. I have said it before. The Jaguars aren't the only team with ticket sale problems, just the first to admit it.

I have been on the Jets season ticket waiting list for around 8 years now. Thought I would make a profit off these tickets when my number was called. Anyhow, I was called the last two years to buy tickets and passed. I always have the worst timing.

Be on the lookout for PETA saboteurs...... :o.

Go Jags!  Game 3 is showing us that this team could have some flashes of talent.

Quotejust the first to admit it.

Not true, San Diego Chargers announced that the preseason games would be blacked out.
http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Chargers-Warn-of-TV-Blackouts/mhbX1qdIfUmbHgAHoFS_fw.cspx

Weaver does not control blackouts, the NFL does that, so if by some miracle a Jag game gets sold out, he has no control over lifting the blackouts.


But if the Jags play like they did last night, that will not be an issue.

Looks like San Diego, Cleveland, Oakland and Detroit are all facing blackouts this season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4437452 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4437452)

QuoteGoodell: Some teams to face blackouts
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ASHBURN, Va. -- Avoiding local television blackouts will be a challenge as the NFL approaches its first full season in the economic downturn, commissioner Roger Goodell said Tuesday.

During a visit to the Washington Redskins, Goodell was asked specifically about the Jacksonville Jaguars, whose season-ticket base dropped from 42,000 to about 25,000 this season. The decline is such that the club might not even bother asking for extensions in hopes of avoiding blackouts this year.

Goodell said Jacksonville, one of the smallest markets in the league, is "one of the markets where we're seeing some challenges from ticket sales coming into the 2009 season."

"And we'll have other markets that'll have those challenges. It's all part of the challenges that we're seeing in the economy, and what our clubs are going through," Goodell said. "Our clubs have been working hard in the offseason to create other ways to try to get people in the stadiums and to have policies that are a little more flexible, and hopefully they're going to pay dividends for us."

The San Diego Chargers had an exhibition game blacked out for the first time since 2006 and will have Friday's game blacked out as well. They say regular-season blackouts could be on the way as well. Other teams that could have trouble selling out their home games include the Detroit Lions and Oakland Raiders, who both had blackouts last season.

The Cleveland Browns nearly had their first blackout since 1995 for a preseason game last month, but Goodell said some of the August ticket sales could be attributed to the nature of exhibition football.

"I think the fans have seen that the quality of the games aren't up to NFL standards, so I think that's a factor," said Goodell, who is looking at the possibility of reducing the preseason and expanding the regular season.

Goodell had a meeting planned in Washington with NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith. Goodell said it was more of a get-together than a formal negotiating session. The NFL and the union have been talking about a new labor agreement in hopes of avoiding a lockout in 2011.

"Anytime you're negotiating you take a step forward and maybe a step back," Goodell said. "We're communicating, we're trying to get information to the union leadership, make sure they understand the challenges we're facing as a system and as a business and make sure they understand that so we can design a system that addresses the issues for the players and the coaches and the game."

Ethan Albright, the Redskins' interim player representative to the union, said this week he was telling his teammates to save up their money because the word from Smith is "the owners are taking all the steps to set up for a lockout in 2011."

"Listen, I think everybody in the NFL wants to play," Goodell said. "The owners want to play, the players want to play. It's our job to get a deal done. That's why I keep saying a lockout is not a strategy, nor an objective. What we want to do is get an agreement that works for the players and the coaches and the game and allows to continue to grow it."

Asked about Michael Vick, Goodell said the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback is "making the right kind of progress." Goodell said he will consider Vick for full reinstatement to the NFL by no later than Week 6 of the regular season.

"A lot of those issues I'm focusing on are off the field. How is he dealing with the transition? Does he have his family relocated? Does he have the right people around him helping him make decisions?" Goodell said. "Tony Dungy's been incredibly helpful. Donovan McNabb's been helpful. I talk to Michael on a weekly basis, if not more. I'll be meeting with him again sometime in the near future. ... He's focused on the right things."

Goodell said he's been hearing a lot of questions from players about the league's steroids policy, rules changes, and the possibility of a lockout. An unusual question came from Redskins rookie defensive lineman Jeremy Jarmon.

"He was talking about how we have rules to protect the quarterbacks," Goodell said. "And that you need more rules to protect defensive ends."


Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

St. Louis is having trouble also and had most of their games last year blacked out.

Quote from: JeffreyS on September 02, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
St. Louis is having trouble also and had most of their games last year blacked out.

They've sucked for years though, and deserve it. We have up and down years and even when on an up year we still face them. Such a shame.

Quote from: reednavy on September 02, 2009, 10:19:04 AM

Quote from: JeffreyS on September 02, 2009, 09:38:37 AM
St. Louis is having trouble also and had most of their games last year blacked out.

They've sucked for years though, and deserve it. We have up and down years and even when on an up year we still face them. Such a shame.

But we always applied for extensions or the Weavers bought out the tix. People got spoiled and knew that most likely the blackout would be lifted and they could watch from home. This year will be different and people will be forced to either go to the game or listen on the radio. Hopefully this will bring people back to reality and they will get out there and buy tix. I heard on Jags show last night on WOKV that they are even offering 3 game packages now and you can pick the 3 games. Hopefully that will help us get at least 3 games on TV.                BUY TICKETS!!!! GO JAGS!!!!

It could be worse, at least we have a chance to see them on TV. Although a different sport, the Chicago Black Hawks were not even put onto TV in the Chicago market until recently.

According to Wikipedia...the owner was vilified by Blackhawks fans for forbidding Blackhawks home games to be shown on TV unless they were picked up by national broadcasters, which only happened when the Blackhawks made the playoffs. As he explained it, he felt that broadcasting regular home games was unfair to season-ticket holders.

This was their policy until the 2007 season.

Quote from: Lucasjj on September 03, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
It could be worse, at least we have a chance to see them on TV. Although a different sport, the Chicago Black Hawks were not even put onto TV in the Chicago market until recently.

According to Wikipedia...the owner was vilified by Blackhawks fans for forbidding Blackhawks home games to be shown on TV unless they were picked up by national broadcasters, which only happened when the Blackhawks made the playoffs. As he explained it, he felt that broadcasting regular home games was unfair to season-ticket holders.

This was their policy until the 2007 season.

Thats crazy..... I wonder how they do it in baseball. All those games are on TV all season and not all those games are sold out.

Quote from: cdb on September 03, 2009, 01:16:27 PM

Quote from: Lucasjj on September 03, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
It could be worse, at least we have a chance to see them on TV. Although a different sport, the Chicago Black Hawks were not even put onto TV in the Chicago market until recently.

According to Wikipedia...the owner was vilified by Blackhawks fans for forbidding Blackhawks home games to be shown on TV unless they were picked up by national broadcasters, which only happened when the Blackhawks made the playoffs. As he explained it, he felt that broadcasting regular home games was unfair to season-ticket holders.

This was their policy until the 2007 season.

Thats crazy..... I wonder how they do it in baseball. All those games are on TV all season and not all those games are sold out.

The NFL is the only league with a blackout rule based on attendance. Local channels own rights to broadcast their city's baseball/basketball/hockey games so they'll generally show all the games. It's a hot topic for debate (not just here in Jax) about whether the NFL's rule is antiquated (est. in the early 70s).

As for the Blackhawks, they showed the games this past year and interest (therefore attendance) rose significantly. That could be a result of everyone getting to see the games and feeling more involved, or it could be because they were a very good team this year...

Up to 12 teams facing blackouts:

QuoteAccording to NFL and team sources, the league showed club owners at their meeting in Chicago on Aug. 19 a video slide with the names of 10 to 12 teams that may not sell out every game. A game that is not sold out within 72 hours of kickoff cannot be broadcast locally.

Last year, only three teams â€" Oakland, Detroit and St. Louis â€" suffered blackouts. Collectively, those three teams had nine games blacked out, just one more than the eight regular-season games the Jacksonville Jaguars alone are expecting to contribute to this year’s total. The Jaguars have already said that in all likelihood no contest in their eight-game home schedule will sell out this season.

http://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/article/63444

QuoteThe Jaguars have already said that in all likelihood no contest in their eight-game home schedule will sell out this season.

I'd be willing to bet that we wouldn't black out a home play-off game this season (assuming we made it that far) like Buffalo did against us in our youth.

The more I read the comments and excuses from the people of Jax the more obvious it is that we don't deserve a team. We just don't. 

Maybe not that much...

Quotehe stadium was built using portions of the historic Gator Bowl Stadium, itself dating from 1949. However, all of the elements included from the older stadiumâ€"the pedestrian ramp system and the more recent West Upper Deck section of the complexâ€"dated back only to 1982. Construction started January 3, 1994 and the new stadium opened on August 18, 1995 with an exhibition game with the St. Louis Rams. Total construction time was under 20 months and total cost was $134 million â€" $60 million of which was provided by the city of Jacksonville.

Maybe the city can broker a deal to sell the stadium to which ever city buys the team?

I think the Jags are doing the right thing. Black out the games... And hopefully people will understand they have to but tickets to keep the team here. There are definitely 60-70K true fans here, and once the games are blacked out and we are winning or playing decent football, the stadium will fill up. I do believe the Jags marketing department is pretty weak though. They should be selling 4 tickets to every bar in Jacksonville to use as marketing for the bars, they can give them away, etc.... that would be close to 2-3K tickets.... baby steps... the 3 game package is a good deal too, you get to pick the games... i think that package will assure us of 3 televised games. we'll see how it goes...... either way i got my season tix and will be there for every game except tonight... had to give them away to a co-worker due to being on-call.... thank god its only pre-season....

Weaver has no choice... the blackout policy is law and the team isn't even close enough in ticket sales to ask for any extensions. 25K tickets sold is bleak. How long can a team survive like this? How long will the NFL let them try?

I am a huge soccer fan, but this is a shame. The Seattle Sounders of the MLS have more season tickets sold, for more than twice the home games than the Jags. And this is supposed to be a football crazy city... Hahahahaha...

That's almost comical. I'm  :D on the outside but  :-[ on the inside.

Jags will be fine. We are a fickle city when the team is in transition (losing). Just brace for a rebuilding year this season. I will guess 7-9 at best. Perhaps a playoff spot next year if the key positions develop. 

But yes, if you have the means, buy tickets and go enjoy the experience (and watch a team grow). As we all are aware there are only 32 franchises at the highest level in the world.

what time does tonight's game start? or did they lose already?

The Jaguars are now offering a three-game pack of tickets at a discount from the regular single-game prices, where you can pick the three games you want to see as well as your seats.  Looks like a great deal.

I saw the three game pack this morning. I think I will take advantage.

Jags looked pretty good last night again. I think people are going to be surprised this year. If you cant afford season tickets, that 3 game package is awesome. You can actually pick any 3 games and the seats, you can't beat that. The Jags are doing all they can to accommodate people and once this team starts winning, these type of deals will not be around. Get it while you can. Jags 24 - Indy 17.... Go Jags!!!!!!!!!!!

Jags did look sharp last night, as they did a week ago.  They're looking more physical than last year and the defensive interior line and WR corps are vastly improved.  The playcalling, on the opening series in particular, was more inspired and creative.  And that Rashad Jennings run on the screen play left several Redskins looking for the number of the truck that just hit them.

I'll be in town for the home opener (Arizona)...who else from MetroJacksonville is going?

The new 3 pack offer is getting a lot of attention... I heard many people at the game last night talking about buying in adn a few people around the office. Hopefully that will give us 3 or 4 televised games.

I'm thinking of picking up a 3rd ticket as the 2 seats next to mine are still open. I would love to command an entire row with family & friends. From 95-99 my folks had season tix with an entire section of friends and it was great.

Indy 2 weeks... MJ tailgate?

Jones-Drew injured last night. 1010XL saying it is a bone bruise and should be able to play @ Indy next week. That is great news because MJD has owned Indy in his career.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 04, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
I'll be in town for the home opener (Arizona)...who else from MetroJacksonville is going?

I"ll be there.

Can't WAIT.

Really regret not going last night.

Weather was BEAUTIFUL.

Only 32,000 last night? Get rid of two preseason games please. No one wants to go to those.

Yeah, when you can stand out on the balcony of the Bud Zone and look all the way through to the other side... that's a bad sign.

QuoteI saw the three game pack this morning. I think I will take advantage.

Congrats! I will wait and see how they play in September before looking at the games. Last year, first game, set the tone for the season. Not wanting a repeat of that, but with so many young players, and now the 2 first  picks are starting, it shows me that Del Rio realizes that this may be his last year, if the team does not win.

Quote from: Shwaz on September 03, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
The more I read the comments and excuses from the people of Jax the more obvious it is that we don't deserve a team. We just don't. 

Are you a football fan?  Were you one of the people in this town that hoped for a team for 2 decades until this town got a team? 

I am from NJ and and we have 2 NFL teams in the same stadium and do NOT take them for granted like this town does. 

I have jumped on the Jags bandwagon since I moved here two years ago and I am ashamed at how this town treats the team that THIS TOWN lobbied for for 2 decades to get.  Wake up people.  If this town loses the Jags, man, what will people think of this town?

The Jags are a business and there is no obligation to buy tickets and go to games, but I do not want to hear people complain if they leave.

Go Jags.  Win in Indy and these fans will come back.

Jags are not going anywhere, no major city has a facility that meets the standards set by the NFL for team to head to, so relax, its the economy, and Jags are in the same issue as many other cities.

I've been a season tix holder for 7 years. I did not renew this year. I nearly lost our family home due to drastic a reduction in income, coupled with unwise allogations of funds during times of plenty.

I vowed to my wife I would not renew when we were making the decision to try and keep the only home our kids have known rather than sell.

I hope to be able to buy tickets again some day but for now I am soooo over it.

Life is a serious business.

Quote from: aaapolito on September 05, 2009, 08:53:46 PM

Quote from: Shwaz on September 03, 2009, 03:41:53 PM
The more I read the comments and excuses from the people of Jax the more obvious it is that we don't deserve a team. We just don't. 

Are you a football fan?  Were you one of the people in this town that hoped for a team for 2 decades until this town got a team? 

I am from NJ and and we have 2 NFL teams in the same stadium and do NOT take them for granted like this town does. 

I have jumped on the Jags bandwagon since I moved here two years ago and I am ashamed at how this town treats the team that THIS TOWN lobbied for for 2 decades to get.  Wake up people.  If this town loses the Jags, man, what will people think of this town?

The Jags are a business and there is no obligation to buy tickets and go to games, but I do not want to hear people complain if they leave.

Go Jags.  Win in Indy and these fans will come back.

Have you read anything before page 10 of this thread?

I am a fan and season ticket holder for 5 years.

Where are all those people that waited for 2 decades for the NFL?

Win or lose the fans shouldn't have gone anywhere... if the consensus is that the city can't support the team after 1 losing season... that city doesn't deserve a team.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=4454313

QuoteEven NFL feels pinch of weak economy  By Len Pasquarelli

Tim Heitman/US Presswire

Jerry Jones has not been able to find a naming sponsor for the Cowboys' new billion-dollar stadium.

Not all that long ago, "marketing" an NFL franchise was an uncomplicated formula: Create the schedule, generate some media buzz around it, throw open the gates, sell out the stadium, kick off as close as possible to the appointed time and then count the receipts.

Not anymore.

Despite its preeminent status, the NFL has learned a difficult lesson from the current lagging economy: The league simply isn't recession-proof. While most fans still wait avidly for Sunday afternoons and Monday evenings, the average patron has to think twice about investing his dwindling disposable income in a football game.

It used to be taken for granted. Now it means taking away from something else to be able to afford an NFL ticket, and that something else might be more essential. It's hard for a person to worry about the line of scrimmage when he is fretting that his job on the assembly line could be gone tomorrow.

"I can't tell anybody it's more important to come see a football game than to go to work and try to make ends meet," Jacksonville Jaguars defensive end Reggie Hayward recently told the Florida Times-Union.

For the past few weeks, the national news has optimistically suggested that the economy is getting incrementally better. But that improvement has yet to trickle down to the NFL.

Earlier this offseason, commissioner Roger Goodell took a salary cut. There have been layoffs at the league and team levels. Several clubs have frozen ticket prices at the 2008 rates. Others, such as Jacksonville, are offering partial season-ticket plans. Many teams are struggling to sell luxury boxes and club seats.

Houston Texans owner Bob McNair said this summer that a season-ticket waiting list that once numbered 25,000 has been completely exhausted. About 17,000 season-ticket patrons in Jacksonville did not reup for the 2009 season. Several franchises are facing hometown blackouts just one season after all but nine of 256 regular-season games were aired in their local markets. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, once critical of the Cincinnati Bengals' Mike Brown for not selling the naming rights to Paul Brown Stadium, can't scare up a company to put its handle on his new billion-dollar football Taj Mahal. Advertisers who for years supported the NFL are rethinking their strategies and positions.

It once was a touchstone for companies to attach themselves to the NFL and its nonpareil brand name. But those companies are revisiting the viability of those decisions.

All of this comes amid concerns that there will not be a negotiated extension to the collective bargaining agreement, 2010 will be played as an uncapped season and owners will lock out players in 2011.

Those elements and a few others have combined to force the NFL, while still financially healthy, to market its product with greater gusto. The league that once sold itself now is finding that it is a much tougher sell.

In the ongoing tug of war for disposable income, the NFL must market itself harder than at any other point in the modern era. It's not enough to assume that every team will play in front of a full house or that its games will be piped into local households.

This is hardly a scientific study but one that is pretty reflective of the current situation: Twenty years ago, for the 1989 season, only half of the league's 28 clubs employed marketing directors, according to the NFL Record & Fact Book. For the 1999 campaign, using the same book as a reference source, all but one of the NFL's 31 franchises listed either a vice president of marketing, a senior vice president of marketing, a marketing executive, a director of marketing or a chief marketing officer.

For the 2009 season, the number surprisingly has dropped a bit, 28 of 32, but the implications are the same.

To the ticket-buying public, no matter how loyal or dyed-in-the-wool or familial, it's not enough anymore to simply stage the games. The matchups themselves used to be the primary hook that attracted sellout crowds. Now the NFL talks increasingly about the "Sunday experience." Go to a game, and you're apt to see a rock concert break out.

More than a game, the NFL has become entertainment, and that means it must compete intensely against an afternoon of golf, a day at the beach, attending a movie, perusing the stores at the mall, an hour at the gym, sipping coffee and reading the Sunday newspaper, and any number of other diversions.

A friend in the business once noted that newspapers are in such dire trouble because their owners are accustomed to making a ton of money and haven't yet figured out how to live on only a half-ton. That's not necessarily true of NFL owners, for whom none of us will be staging a telethon or passing the hat at halftime, but it's pertinent.

Even in good times, professional sports have never been particularly profitable business ventures. The profit margins traditionally are small, and a down economy shrinks the size of the bottom line even more.

According to The Washington Post, at least four franchises face the prospect of significant local blackouts this season. Since 2005, the NFL has broadcast 95 percent or more of its games to hometown markets. That could be a difficult threshold to reach in 2009.

The relative problems the NFL has encountered this year validate the reality that a rocky economy doesn't play any favorites.

Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver, who last month suggested that all eight of the team's home games might be blacked out locally, recently noted: "You know, it's a tough economy and we get it. … This economy has just affected too many families."

Clearly, it's had some effect on the league as well.

Len Pasquarelli, a recipient of the Pro Football Hall of Fame's McCann Award for distinguished reporting, is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

Jerry Jones is a prick.

Care to extrapolate?

Quote from: reednavy on September 09, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
Care to extrapolate?

QuoteDallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, once critical of the Cincinnati Bengals' Mike Brown for not selling the naming rights to Paul Brown Stadium

Jerry Jones is a hot topic right now as he is leading the charge to demolish the NFL as we know it. The current business model will cease to exist in 2010. With a player lockout on the horizon, he and the other big market teams will be fighting for the end of revenue sharing. Depending on how the business model changes is could either pool all the the big name talent to the bigger markets and even run the smaller markets out of business.

The NFL has certain monopoly exemtions. Congress will get involved when smaller market fans unite and demand it. Jones knows that he is better off without that.

We'll get some rhetoric from him and his peers, but if he doesn't believe Congress will react when they get baraged by citizens demanding to see their home town franchises saved, as well as NFL/municipality stadium leases fufilled, he's dumber than your average billionaire.

He envisions himself the Steinbrenner of the NFL.  If the NFL reverts to the Baseball model it will effectively kill the sport.

Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 09, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
He envisions himself the Steinbrenner of the NFL.  If the NFL reverts to the Baseball model it will effectively kill the sport.

It will be hard enough to farm talent let alone turn a profit with out revenue sharing. I can't imagine what a top 10 draft pick would cost with no salary cap. It will be impossible for a team like the Jags to afford a pick that high and possibly the 1st round altogether. 

QuoteBlackouts to be available on delay at NFL.com
September 10, 2009 10:41 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky

Jaguars fans unable to see the team’s homes games, which are expected to all be blacked out because they won’t be sold out, are getting a little relief from the league.

The NFL just announced that blacked out games will be available on a delayed basis in home markets on NFL.com.

Here’s the relevant piece of the league’s news release:
“…Games blacked out locally for failing to sell out 72 hours in advance will be available on NFL.com at no cost in the affected home markets.

“These free ‘re-broadcasts’ locally of blacked-out games will be available at NFL.com beginning at midnight on the day of the game and remain available for 72 hours (except during ESPN Monday Night Football telecasts).”

"'We understand that the economy is limiting some families and corporations from buying as many game tickets as they had previously,” said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. “These free re-broadcasts on NFL.com will allow our fans that can’t get to a blacked-out game an opportunity to see the entire game.'"



This seems like a reasonable compromise from the league, which is unwavering on the blackout policy. It maintains the element of the system which forces those who really want to see the game as it’s played to buy a ticket.

Don’t buy one and you have to settle for highlights until midnight. But now you’ll be able to watch the whole game on your computer then if you want to.

Quote from: Shwaz on September 09, 2009, 04:12:10 PM

Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 09, 2009, 03:07:03 PM
He envisions himself the Steinbrenner of the NFL.  If the NFL reverts to the Baseball model it will effectively kill the sport.

It will be hard enough to farm talent let alone turn a profit with out revenue sharing. I can't imagine what a top 10 draft pick would cost with no salary cap. It will be impossible for a team like the Jags to afford a pick that high and possibly the 1st round altogether. 

Thats fine, we trade our top 10 pick for two later first round picks and we will be just fine. Its the free agent market we will have trouble competing in.

That's assuming the entire first round doesn't inflate out of control... which it most likely will.

I just bought a flex pack.You choose any three games pretty good deal.They said they have been getting some good responses

QuoteObviously the O-line was beyond terrible last yr...but signing Vick would have at least brought the Jags some attention and maybe some excitement.
I seriously think this is one of the most boring franchises around...I can't find excitement anywhere.

Do you see how the media is laughing at Terrell Owens & Allen Iverson? If Vick came to Jax it would hurt his come back. Its better for Vick to be in a bigger market that can deal with worldly things.

This Sunday it's go time at the stadium! Jags v. Cardinals at 1pm.  Buy tickets if you want to see a Jags win.  Go Jags.

The Flex pack is a good deal.

QuoteThe Flex pack is a good deal.

Sure, if you want to see the opposing team win..... :-\

Win or lose doesn't matter when your there to support your team. I understand that positive thinking is not your forte. All your previous post and I am sure more to come are good examples of how you think. Try negtraininjax, suites you better.

I looked at all my friend when we were tailgating for the game this past Sunday and said that I would be there for every game. I enjoy the game and love the Jags, but I enjoy the time with my friends just as much, and for me it is worth it. I am a season ticket holder and will be till i pass them down to my son or the Jags leave... Hopefully it's the first part....

Quote from: cdb on September 23, 2009, 08:42:27 AM
I looked at all my friend when we were tailgating for the game this past Sunday and said that I would be there for every game. I enjoy the game and love the Jags, but I enjoy the time with my friends just as much, and for me it is worth it. I am a season ticket holder and will be till i pass them down to my son or the Jags leave... Hopefully it's the first part....

I totally agree. As much as I would like to see the Jags win, I still enjoy the tailgating and social aspect of being at the games too. I personally am appreciative to be one of the few cities with a NFL team even in the down years.

Another aspect to remember is that while the Jags lost... you still saw some great players put on a show.  Kurt Warner is a probable Hall of Famer... Larry Fitzgerald is one of the most exciting players in the game etc...

When my financial Situation is better, and it will be, I will be buying tickets again. I formerly had 5, of which I generally needed one or two.

Jacksonville is largely a construction town. I know quite a few people in my same situation. Until that time, I'm counting on those who are not in the same boat to carry the load of purchasing tickets. Commence flaming procedures!

buckethead, you know better.  No one is going to fault someone who is out of work or otherwise financially incapable.

I'm sure there are 8500 people in this entire city, who aren't unemployed or in dire straits, who can buy two tickets each and help lift the blackout.  It's an issue of will for them, not ability.

Hope you get back to normal soon.

So how do we get them to buy tix, how do we convince the rest of the city that Jacksonville needs the Jaguars and how if we lose them, we will go backwards ten years in the eyes of the rest of the country. How does the annoyed season ticket holder and Jags fan and overall Jacksonville (city) fan get this point across so it is heard? I am from NYC, born and raised and my whole family is there, and I choose Jacksonville. I love it here and will raise my kids here and buy a house and go to the beach and enjoy the weather, and visit NYC a couple of times a year. But I choose to live here, spend my money here, work here and I want to see the Jags stay here and what we need to do as fans is find the 50-55K REAL Jag fans and get them to buy in and the rest will fall into place with the bandwagon people and the come to a game here and a game there people making up the difference.. MJ.com makes noise in this city for so many good things, this is something that we need MJ.com to make noise about as well, it is detrimental to the future of this city.

If I knew that, I'd be posting from One Stadium Place instead of my current office.

Prozac in the water might be a good start.  (Kidding, folks!)

We need MJ to do a big article on this and get it out there to the city, absolutely everyone. And involve the Jaguars. Like why doesn't every bar in the city have 2-4 tix each? They can give them away during promotions, and they they benefit when the Jags games are on TV by having people come out to watch the game, and not just bars, but restaurants with tv's too. Find out how short we really are, what kind of progress do we need to make. people probably feel like there 2 tickets wont make a difference, so why buy them. We need someone in this town besides Wayne Weaver doing a 3 minute radio interview nobody heard to get people in Jax to realize what the ramifications are of this and why we need people of this city to support a team. Please MetroJacksonville.com, MAKE SOME NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's some ideas for boosting Jags tickets sales posted this morning:

http://wokv.com/blogs/jaguars/2009/09/the-solution-to-the-ticket-pro.html (http://wokv.com/blogs/jaguars/2009/09/the-solution-to-the-ticket-pro.html)

I thought these were 2 good ideas:

QuoteFREE UPGRADE.
My first thought is if you buy a seat in the upper bowl, I mean the real cheap seats. Then you get an automatic seat upgrade to the low sections. This will solve 2 problems, one fans might be more willing to go to game for 40 bucks if they can sit on the 50 yard line 10 rows away from the field. The second problem it will solve is when NFL personnel and fans get to see the highlights from the game the stadium will look full.

BRING THE FAMILY DAY
For every ticket purchase you can bring a child under 12 for free. Again the stadium will be packed with kids, kids that want food, sodas, and souvenirs.$$$. Plus what this team needs is a more fans. Little Jag fans make big Jag fans for a lifetime.

I don't think they'll go back to giving tickets away for free. Folks in this town wouldn;t even drive to Winn-Dixie to get free tickets in 2002. 

However, the Browns offered select "buy one, get one free" seats to one of their slow-selling games this year.  The problem is that the team still has to pay the opponent like 30-40% of the revenue for those "free" seats.  Don't know if the Jaguars will be willing to assume the same costs, seeing as they absorbed as many as 3-5k worth of seats to lift some blackouts the last 2 years.

The Jaguars aren't likely to grant access to the Club sections (50-yard line lower bowl) for the price of an upper deck seat for any- and everyone.  They do, however, pick guests at random to upgrade to a club seat at each home game already.

They offered family packs this year, with free concessions for either a 3- or 4-ticket purchase, I forget.

They also offer family combo meals for 7 or 8 bucks, depending on whether you want a hot dog or burger with your soda.  People pay as much as that for a kiddie burger and coke at Crapplebee's and Chili's.

How about this:

Mr/Mrs. Bar/Restaurant Owner,

You should buy Jags tix at full price and then you can give them away during promotions in which you will make the money you spent on the tickets back. Then the icing on the cake is the extra money you make at your bar/restaurant when you show the Jags home games on TV, that's all profit. And all we ask of you is to buy 2-4 season tickets. We will even break it up for you next season over 10 months, you can't beat that. Now support this team and this city before they move to another state and Sundays in the fall turn into the dead zone in your lovely establishment.

Sincerely,
The Jaguars

I'm sure the article wasn't suggesting moving the nose bleeds season ticket holders to the lower level on the 50 yard line. I was thinking more like taking some of the upper level fans (selected by tenure) and moving them to the lower bowl under the luxury suites outside of the club section. That would also make available more lower priced seats in the stadium and may attract fans on a budget.

Tenured fans from the upper deck would get a taste of better seating which may lead to purchasing upgraded season tickets next season. The new fans in the upped deck can see that it's not a bad view at all from up there and may decide on season tickets themselves.

They could simply do what baseball does and allow folks to move to empty seats in the general bowl after halftime.

Quote from: ac on September 23, 2009, 11:47:24 AM
They could simply do what baseball does and allow folks to move to empty seats in the general bowl after halftime.

That would be tricky. Fans may be up getting food & drinks or at the bathroom just to come back and have to shoe people out of their seats. The ushers would need to know what seats are available and offer them to be responsibly.

I wonder how much the Chamber of Commerce has gotten involved in encouraging group sales, etc. with local corporations?  I've heard conflicting reports on this.

It did seem to me that there were more advertisements, and a larger number of companies advertising, at the stadium this year than last.

Quote from: cdb on September 23, 2009, 10:48:45 AM
We need MJ to do a big article on this and get it out there to the city, absolutely everyone. And involve the Jaguars. Like why doesn't every bar in the city have 2-4 tix each? They can give them away during promotions, and they they benefit when the Jags games are on TV by having people come out to watch the game, and not just bars, but restaurants with tv's too. Find out how short we really are, what kind of progress do we need to make. people probably feel like there 2 tickets wont make a difference, so why buy them. We need someone in this town besides Wayne Weaver doing a 3 minute radio interview nobody heard to get people in Jax to realize what the ramifications are of this and why we need people of this city to support a team. Please MetroJacksonville.com, MAKE SOME NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!

Every little bit helps.  I donated some tickets to the Historical Society and I'm hoping it'll inspire some people who do not regularly go to the games to consider going more often in the future.

I work for S.A.F.E. and this is the worst season in the history of the Jags as far as fans going to the game goes.

Hey, the Titans fans are helping you guys out! Their website noted that there were single tickets available to the game in JAX through the Jaguars office. The Tennessean has said repeatedly that that it was Titans fans best opportunity for away tickets (and perhaps last opportunity for tickets left in this year's schedule).

We in the JaxByDefault household may hate* the Jags, but seeing them leaving Jacksonville would be terrible for this city.

If you're an opposing team fan, pick up some tickets through the Jags ticket sales and help the local cause. The Jags fans are pretty nice. You'll get some good ribbing in the seats, but that just makes it fun.

*Edited: Ok, in that "we're not fans" kind of way.

I can't believe we're actually accepting the fact that people here "hate the Jags."  What has happened to this city?  It's so sad what this city has turned into.

But those people are those who have hated the Jags from Day 1. Who are appalled at the thought of this city getting itself into the Top 50 cities in the nation and, gasp, even becoming better than Orlando. Several city council members have been on that bandwagon from the start as well.  I don't think there is anyone who first loved the jags and now hates them. And if there are I sure would like to hear why.

Quote from: jbroadglide on September 24, 2009, 02:01:44 PM
...Who are appalled at the thought of this city getting itself into the Top 50 cities in the nation and, gasp, even becoming better than Orlando.

You don't have to be a Jags fan to know they're good for the city.

There are people here who aren't Jags fans (like me), but who can help the city support the team by buying tickets (through the Jags) to see their preferred teams play. You can't fault people for not abandoning their home teams.

Keeping the Jags is important for JAX's long-term reputation and economy. Having a team is a point of civic pride. Lots of people here who cheer for another team on Sundays understand that, attend tailgate parties, eat downtown on gameday, support Jags charities . . . and buy the occasional ticket. 

Especially if you're a fan of a division opponent, go see a game and help keep the Jags here so you can see your favorite team play when in town.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 23, 2009, 12:19:39 PM
I wonder how much the Chamber of Commerce has gotten involved in encouraging group sales, etc. with local corporations?  I've heard conflicting reports on this.

Last Friday two cheerleaders and Jaxson Deville came to my office to try and sell tickets. This was something put together from our involvement with the Chamber of Commerce. The prices were discounted to what you pay for those package deals, except you could buy individual game tickets at that price. For example the cheap seats were $40 instead of $55. They were here for two hours and took pictures and signed autographs. I don't know how sales went and if they went to more businesses afterwards though.

JaxByDefault:  I understand many people do not want to abandon their "home town team," and it is commendable that people like you occasionally support the Jags.  But this team will not survive in this city unless we get a solid, devoted fan base.  Right now what we have is a lot of fair-weather fans who only buy tickets when we're on our way to the playoffs.  I know everyone likes to see their team win, but those people have no right to call themselves fans if that's their outlook on the Jaguars.

I, for one, love my Jaguars and can't imagine being without them.  I plan on buying season tickets as soon as I get out of college (no matter what their record is I might add).

LucasJJ:  It's good to hear that the Chamber of Commerce is teaming up with the Roar to try to sell tickets.  This kind of cooperation will definitely catch people's attention and develop true community in Jacksonville. 

Quote from: ralpho37 on September 24, 2009, 04:35:07 PM
I, for one, love my Jaguars and can't imagine being without them.  I plan on buying season tickets as soon as I get out of college (no matter what their record is I might add).

I think this is what the Jags need, and are near, to be sucessful in selling tickets. Many of the people that were kids when the Jags got here will be reaching the age to buy tickets in the next few years. I know I plan on next year being my first year with season tickets.

We are not the only ones. More blackouts this weekend. This is going to be long season for the NFL with all these blacked out games.

QuoteDETROIT -- The Detroit Lions and Oakland Raiders failed to sell all their tickets for Sunday's games by an NFL-imposed deadline and will be blacked out on local television.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4500240 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4500240)

Get ready for a Jags win this Sunday folks..... We still have a shot at 3-3 or cross your fingers, 4-2 by the bye week, which would certainly stir up some excitement for this young Jags team.... Hasselback broke his rib for Seattle... The Rams are sad.... And we always play Tennessee tight here in Jax... Ill be out at noon at my local establishment this Sunday wearing my MJD jersey and enjoying the game with fellow Jag fans (all season ticket holders). GO JAGS!!!!

I love the optimism!

I'm getting a block of tix ready for the Titans game.  Hope to see everyone there!

Yes I agree, the optimism is great!  Go Jags!!!

Just found out, Big Brothers/Big Sisters also accepts ticket donations so those who are so inclined can send a big & little bro or sis to a game.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 25, 2009, 11:37:29 AM
Just found out, Big Brothers/Big Sisters also accepts ticket donations so those who are so inclined can send a big & little bro or sis to a game.

A friend of mine who recently moved up north is planning to do this next year: http://www.jagstix4kids.org/ (http://www.jagstix4kids.org/)

Shwaz, is Jags Tix 4 Kids still running?  I know their site hasn't been updated in a long time, and the photos of the Baker County group are from a game in 2007.

If anyone's inclined to donate tickets, the Jaguar ticket office is very helpful in getting the tickets distributed.  Organizations that I know for sure accept & use donations include the Jacksonville Historical Society, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, the Jaguars Foundation, the USO, and I'm pretty sure also the Boys & Girls Clubs.

Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on September 25, 2009, 02:11:09 PM
Shwaz, is Jags Tix 4 Kids still running?  I know their site hasn't been updated in a long time, and the photos of the Baker County group are from a game in 2007.

If anyone's inclined to donate tickets, the Jaguar ticket office is very helpful in getting the tickets distributed.  Organizations that I know for sure accept & use donations include the Jacksonville Historical Society, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, the Jaguars Foundation, the USO, and I'm pretty sure also the Boys & Girls Clubs.

You might be right... there last update was 07/01/08 - thanks for the heads up.

Robb Chamberlain ran jagstix4kids and as far as I know, still has an operating fan site (jagnation.com, I think?), so he may have some info on there on whether it's still operating.

Do we think the win in Houston will boost sales at all this week for the Titans game?? Does anybody know how short we are as of right now?

Maybe more people but there is probably 10k+ tickets left.

Quote from: cdb on September 29, 2009, 08:44:04 AM
Do we think the win in Houston will boost sales at all this week for the Titans game?? Does anybody know how short we are as of right now?

I certainly don't think it will hurt ticket sales. I think we will have a much better turnout for this game based on TN being a rival and our new and improved record of 1-2. 

We need go 2-2 and end the Titans season.... I would be the happiest person in the world leaving the game this Sunday.... Go Jags!!!!

Word cdb!  I'm going to the game. 

Moved here in summer of 2006, and instantly became a huge Jags fan.

I've made it to 2-3 games a year.  Sadly, I've only seen them win once in person.  :(

Here's to hoping Sunday makes number 2 for me.

Quote from: Captain Zissou on September 29, 2009, 09:49:15 AM

Quote from: cdb on September 29, 2009, 08:44:04 AM
Do we think the win in Houston will boost sales at all this week for the Titans game?? Does anybody know how short we are as of right now?

I certainly don't think it will hurt ticket sales. I think we will have a much better turnout for this game based on TN being a rival and our new and improved record of 1-2. 

I hope you're right, Cap.  Right now, it's not looking so good.

Per Vic Ketchman's Twitter (http://twitter.com/ask_vic):

Quote from: @ask_vicSo far, Sunday's victory in Houston has not sparked a rush of ticket sales for this Sunday's game against Tennessee.

My guess is that tickets distributed on Sunday will be about 50,000.

That's an upswing of just under 4k tickets from the Arizona game.  Not terrible, but way short of what they need to get the game on TV or even file an extension.  Looks like most folks are still in "show me" mode.

Thats another reason we need a win, get some excitement going. We will then be in strong 2nd place in AFC South. Go out to Seattle and get a win and then come up and beat up on the Rams.... 4-2 baby, you heard it here first.... Jags go on a run before the bye week..... Go Jags!!!!!!!!!!

Seattle will be tough to beat if Hassleback comes back atleast for the Jags they will be. Right now I'll take 50 thou, more people will walk up and buy tickets, that wont help the black out, but atleast the stands will look alot fuller. I will be there. Go JAGS!!!!!!!!

A bit of a random thought. I was listening to Frank Frangie and Cole Pepper earlier (1010xl for those not familiar with sports talk radio) and it actually turned into a fairly relevant and substantive conversation. Pepper contended that if the Jaguars leave we are essentially Mobile, AL (ie no identity nationally). Frangie countered all of the good aspects of northeast Florida (beaches, river, golf etc). Frangie also mentioned that we had a constant growth rate well before the Jags (which is true).

Enough rambling....question of my own for everyone. Have the Jaguars increased growth (corporate and otherwise) or was the city destined to grow simply from our geographic location, low cost of living, no state income tax etc.

Additionally, the city (we) spent a great deal on Super Bowl here a few years ago. Can anyone track a business or any direct positive that was directly (still) connected to that event as we were led to believe. If anything the city took a beating from national talking heads (unjustified).

I am a sports fan and more importantly a fan of this city. Any thoughts?

 

 

I think there is a degree of prestige and notoriety that comes from having the team here, regardless of how they are doing right now.

I'm not qualified to cite concrete examples of their economic impact or state anything other than opinion, but it would certainly negatively affect businesses that sprung up in direct support of the team, and those whose daily business dealings center around the franchise being in this city.  What about all the businesses that sprung up with "Jaguar" in the name?  What about the businesses that make money from having these 10 events downtown, e.g. Transportation companies, vendors, etc? 

What about a stadium that falls into disrepair, and we end up losing FL/GA?  Does anyone really think we'll pony up the cash to keep a facility in world-class condition for two games a year?  What about still paying SMG their same cut year-round to manage a facility in use only 3-4 times a year?

Beyond that, it's my opinion that it will be a huge black eye from the standpoint that the promised support for the franchise wasn't there.  Whatever the economic impact or lack thereof, losing the Jaguars will hardly be a positive thing, and to claim there will be zero impact is disingenuous.

Maybe Steeler/Gator fan Frank Frangie will be unaffected because he can free up time to cover things he really cares about; but if he genuinely cared, he might sing another tune.  I think the bee in his bonnet is that JDR advised David Garrard not to do his weekly show on 1010xl anymore, and Frank is having a shit-fit.  

Perception is reality, and the perception is and will be that we, as a city, are incapable of handling the national stage and cannot operate on that grand a scale.  Losing the team will only cement that perception in the minds of the outsiders.  They'll probably break out the party hats if it happens.  Will that negatively affect businesses who may consider Jacksonville in the future or other outside investors?  It's worth considering.

From what I've found personally, Jacksonville has no national identity with or without the Jags. If the Jags stay (fingers crossed), we are a faceless C-level city who lucked into an NFL franchise. If the Jags leave, we are a faceless C-level city who once had an NFL team. The average American has probably already forgotten that the Super Bowl was actually held here. Looking at the Top 40 metros, nearly every city has some sort of national identity outside of sports, even the smaller markets. San Antonio has the Riverwalk and the Alamo. Kansas City has BBQ and the blues. Most people know the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is in Cleveland. Portland has art, bicycle culture, and progressive culture. Pittsburgh has steel and snow, etc. Jacksonville is known for nothing besides the Jags, which is nearly unfathomable considering the rich history of this city.

Putting an exciting, entertaining team on the field, getting more Sunday and Monday night games on national television, and winning a few Superbowls could give the city an image boost, but even that isn't a sure thing. Instead of worrying about the proverbial pig losing her fancy prom dress, citizens should be concerned about sprucing up the pig and accenting her best natural qualities.

Appreciate the thoughts AC and Ken. I think the subject is on the minds of a good deal of citizenry. Jax has its insecurity complex and esteem issues it seems. I think it deserves more conversation/debate. I probably should have made a new thread so that those who just see "Jags" (and may have no interest) in the subject line would be more inclined to weigh in.

To be clear, I do think the Jags are really important to the city long term. I just don't find it prudent to hang the city's identity on something as fleeting as a football franchise that could leave tomorrow if they really wanted to. You need more stable footing -- something that truly belongs to the city. Some great suggestions have been made here over the years. A Southern Music / Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame. A great museum dealing with the silent film industry or Civil Rights Movement in Northeast Florida. An aquarium/maritime museum. A state-of-the-art convention center. Like I said, I really want to the team to stay here, but tough questions need to be asked, and honest answers need to be given. If the team isn't sustainable here in the long run, I would hate to see tens of millions of taxpayer dollars wasted in doomed efforts to make them stay.

I agree Ken- 

But the reality is that it's the thing that we're best known for nationally; besides murders, Waffle House, and that we used to stink like the paper mill.

However, my belief is that we can and should have the team and all that other stuff, at the expense of neither.  30 other cities do.  And it ain't the team preventing us from being like them.

And re: "wasted" taxpayer dollars-  you think we won't still be paying for the stadium upkeep?  We'd only be raising the average cost per event to keep it up to snuff, lest our next round of negotiations with UF and UGA turn out much differently.

This should probably be in another thread, but I agree the Jags/WW don't build parks, convention centers, add rail, add street cars and entertainment. It's up to the leaders of this city to accomplish things like that. Many cities mentioned in the element series don't have an NFL team, so how are they getting it done? If the Jags do leave that's ten events downtown where you don't have 30 to 60 thou people downtown. IMO its a big loss.

Starting this Saturday, you'll be able to buy game tickets at the Riverside Arts Market. The Jags will have a ticket booth there, which I personally think is a genius idea.

That's a good idea.

That is a good idea.  They should also be marketing all the way out to Orlando, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and points in between, even going up into south GA.  We needed to be a regional team from the outset.

Quote from: ac on September 29, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
That is a good idea.  They should also be marketing all the way out to Orlando, Gainesville, Tallahassee, and points in between, even going up into south GA.  We needed to be a regional team from the outset.

Agree, ac. I often wondered why. In my opinion, they don't even market enough locally.

Drove down to Orlando this weekend and saw SEVERAL Dolphins billboards...very surprising being it was North of Orlando...that is pretty pitiful of the Jags to be out represented!

Quotevery surprising being it was North of Orlando...that is pretty pitiful of the Jags to be out represented!

I've pointed this out in other threads - while it may be pitiful, it seems even more surprising that the NFL "allows" this in another team's market! So many silly rules, but this is so blatant.

Losing the Jags wouldn't take away our national exposure immediately.... instead their would be swirling press about how behind Jacksonville really is. i.e. horrible - local job market, lack of public transportation, declining population etc. etc.

As for the stadium and FLA vs GA - both would be gone soon enough. JMS isn't the old Gator Bowl and it needs more than a bucket of paint for upkeep. This stadium has major infrastructure and without a permanent tenant JMS would be in disrepair in no time. The largest outdoor cocktail party would move to Tampa or Miami and worst of all (for some people) the monster truck show would skip right over us.

I read this morning that the Jags / WW have a special marketing plan for Orlando

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi-jacksonville-jaguars-orlando-nfl-games,0,6718447.column?page=1 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-bianchi-jacksonville-jaguars-orlando-nfl-games,0,6718447.column?page=1)

QuoteWayne Weaver, the owner of the financially strapped Jacksonville Jaguars, can envision a day not too far down the road when Orlando could become his team's second home.

We're not just talking about the current setup where Central Florida is designated as a "secondary" television market for the Jaguars. No, we're talking about the Jags actually coming to Orlando to play football games -- real live regular-season NFL games.

QuoteAs for the stadium and FLA vs GA - both would be gone soon enough. JMS isn't the old Gator Bowl and it needs more than a bucket of paint for upkeep. This stadium has major infrastructure and without a permanent tenant JMS would be in disrepair in no time. The largest outdoor cocktail party would move to Tampa or Miami and worst of all (for some people) the monster truck show would skip right over us.

Now this is the other end of the extreme. Don't see the FL/GA game being moved to Tampa, UGA would never approve that. Monster Trucks could use Lavilla and we would not even know the difference.

You quoted Bianchi? He is still chaffed that the TU did not make him editor of sports. He bad mouthes Jax every time he can. He is a small man in person and worse on paper.

I believe the Jaguars absolutely give Jacksonville a national identity.  8 or 10 years ago when I would be out of state and someone would ask where I was from, I would say Jacksonville........Florida.  The need for the Florida at the end was almost always palpable from the expression on the other person's face.

I am living in Virginia at the moment.  Have been here two years.  Not once have I had to add Florida.  When people ask where I am from I say "Jacksonville" and "Ah..." is the instant look or verbal reaction of the other party.  I can attribute this to nothing other than Football.  Whether it be the Jaguars, Virginia Tech playing in ACC Championship games in Jacksonville, or both.. everyone knows Jacksonville without need for the Fla.  This is my experience outside of Virginia as well.  It may have nothing to do with football.. but I find it hard to believe so many people have raised their awareness because of Landstar Trucks on the interstate, or they finally read their Swisher Sweets box before throwing it away.

You missed the point... it doesn't matter really where FLA / GA moves to but that it just won't be here.

Also whether or not this guys has a hardon for Jax doesn't matter as he was quoting Wayne Weaver. Here's the same scoop on FCN.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145883&catid=3 (http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=145883&catid=3)

QuoteThere's certainly the possibility that we would play some out-of-market games. If it happened, Orlando would be the best option and most reasonable location," Weaver told the Sentinel.

QuoteWeaver told the Sentinel the NFL will likely add two games to the regular season sometime in the next three years. He says when that happens, he would consider Orlando as a second home.

I could not give 2 shakes if people know of Jacksonville outside of Florida. We have people who live in Jax and still do not know the entire county is the City...really! Our literacy rate is pathetic, and our education system needs improvement so that businesses will choose to come her over some other city.

Sure we have CSX, Blue Cross, but we had them BEFORE the Jags. Name some MEANINGFUL companies that moved to Jax, because of the JAGS being here. I like the Jags here in Jax, but I don't have to define my love of the City because of the Jags. We had the beaches and golf LONG before we had the Jags, and I think those items define the city much more than the NFL.

Weaver is saber-rattling, plain and simple. Where is he going to go right now? There is NO NFL SIZE CITY WITH A STADIUM READY FOR THE JAGUARS. Weaver has his 5 million now, and next year it will be 10, because he has the weak mayor and city council in his pocket. How do you run for your next office knowing you potentially wrecked Wayne Weaver's business enterprise? Tough to get donations.

Wayne Weaver is not in control of the FL/GA game, the presidents of the universities are the ones in charge of it. The game has been played here in JAX, since BEFORE the JAGS, so you are really the one missing the point that no matter what happens to JAGS, the FL/GA game will stay here so long as the City's deal with the Universities is lucrative and money is included in the deal.

People have short memories, but I seem to remember Weaver complaining about the revenue from the Skyboxes, that the CITY built, of which Weaver seems to believe he is entitled to a cut from because they were built for the Jaguars. He also wanted revenue from other sources, when NON-Jaguar events filled the stadium.

Weaver is out for no one but himself, he is a shrewd businessman, and I don't fault him for that, but don't think for one moment that the City cannot survive without the Jags. The moment everyone bends over for the Jags, we have lost our own identity as a city.

There are a lot more than 32 other cities with beaches and golf... in Florida.

We have 2 schools in the top 5 nationally every year. If you think we're alone in education problems you're way off.

Besides, the Jaguars do not utilize funds that would otherwise go to the DCSB.  I don't know where that notion comes from.

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
Weaver is saber-rattling, plain and simple. Where is he going to go right now? There is NO NFL SIZE CITY WITH A STADIUM READY FOR THE JAGUARS. Weaver has his 5 million now, and next year it will be 10, because he has the weak mayor and city council in his pocket. How do you run for your next office knowing you potentially wrecked Wayne Weaver's business enterprise? Tough to get donations.

Wayne Weaver is not in control of the FL/GA game, the presidents of the universities are the ones in charge of it. The game has been played here in JAX, since BEFORE the JAGS, so you are really the one missing the point that no matter what happens to JAGS, the FL/GA game will stay here so long as the City's deal with the Universities is lucrative and money is included in the deal.

People have short memories, but I seem to remember Weaver complaining about the revenue from the Skyboxes, that the CITY built, of which Weaver seems to believe he is entitled to a cut from because they were built for the Jaguars. He also wanted revenue from other sources, when NON-Jaguar events filled the stadium.

Weaver is out for no one but himself, he is a shrewd businessman, and I don't fault him for that, but don't think for one moment that the City cannot survive without the Jags. The moment everyone bends over for the Jags, we have lost our own identity as a city.

The article isn't saying that they are planning on moving today or tomorrow. The idea is for the 18 game schedule which could be within the next few years. Were the Buffalo Bills "saber-rattling" when they said and did move games to Toronto through the next 5 years?

If you think the Presidents of the Universities would still be playing the FLA / GA game in the old gator bowl like before the Jags were here, you're wrong. If you think the city is going to keep up JMS with out a permanent tenant, you're wrong. If you think the President's of the Universities are going to keep playing the game here after JMS goes to shit, you're wrong.

If you call it shrewd business to get your company back in the black then so be it. The Jags donated  $52,000,000 total charities in NE FL last year... nothing shrewd about that.

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 09:59:22 AM

Wayne Weaver is not in control of the FL/GA game, the presidents of the universities are the ones in charge of it. The game has been played here in JAX, since BEFORE the JAGS, so you are really the one missing the point that no matter what happens to JAGS, the FL/GA game will stay here so long as the City's deal with the Universities is lucrative and money is included in the deal.

Did you mean lucrative for Jax? If so, wrong. We are at the mercy of the universities on this one. 

I am uncomfortable with the newest allocation of funds to the Jags, but on the whole I disagree with you completely.  If people outside of Florida didn't know of Jax, our city would rot.  Familiarity with the city through the NFL and association with the Jags is crucial for Jax going forward.  Population-wise we're sandwiched between Nashville, Milwaukee, Memphis and Louisville, all of which I would say are more well known than us.  When corporate presence and notoriety is considered, I'd say we are even less recognizable.  For tourism, attracting new business, and civic pride, I say the Jags are crucial. 

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
Wayne Weaver is not in control of the FL/GA game, the presidents of the universities are the ones in charge of it. The game has been played here in JAX, since BEFORE the JAGS, so you are really the one missing the point that no matter what happens to JAGS, the FL/GA game will stay here so long as the City's deal with the Universities is lucrative and money is included in the deal.

If the Jaguars hadn't come here in 95, the Fla/Ga would have been gone long ago. The Jaguars saved the Fla/Ga game.

Quote from: copperfiend on September 30, 2009, 10:48:04 AM

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 09:59:22 AM
Wayne Weaver is not in control of the FL/GA game, the presidents of the universities are the ones in charge of it. The game has been played here in JAX, since BEFORE the JAGS, so you are really the one missing the point that no matter what happens to JAGS, the FL/GA game will stay here so long as the City's deal with the Universities is lucrative and money is included in the deal.

If the Jaguars hadn't come here in 95, the Fla/Ga would have been gone long ago. The Jaguars saved the Fla/Ga game.

agreed... and if they move so does FLA / GA.

QuoteIf the Jaguars hadn't come here in 95, the Fla/Ga would have been gone long ago. The Jaguars saved the Fla/Ga game.

That is rediculous. The money the city gives to both sides is what saved the deal. Money talks and the City just proved it by giving the Jags the 5 million. We just proved it in the threads above.

If the Jags saved the FL/GA game, where is it written so? Did the UGA president resign the deal because of the JAGS? Its all about the money.

From the Orlando Sentinal (not bianchi):

QuoteEach team makes $3.8 million every two years under the current format in Jacksonville, McGarrity said, yet a typical home-and-home pays about $2 million to the home team. That means every other year, either Florida or Georgia would have to miss out on the money.

Nothing written about the Jags here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/gators/orl-fbc-football-gators-georgia-jax-09232009,0,1616359.story

Saying the Jags saved the game is like saying Springfield is the safest neighborhood in the City!

And exactly where would they play, had the stadium not been rebuilt?  The old Gator Bowl wouldn't have lasted to today.  In 1993, it already had one foot in the grave.

Old Gator Bowl was fine. Most college stadiums only recently were fitted with seatbacks. Otherwise most are aluminum. We already had the Upper West Stands in concrete, so enhancements could have continued, as they did when the Jags moved in after the 95 renovations with the enclosure of the South End Zone and the Super Bowl enhancements.

Its like your house, you would never let it sit so long without improvements. Same with the stadium.

Then why is it such a big deal to pay for maintenance and improvement with the Jaguars in house?

FDOT mowed over "GO JAGS!" visible from 9A North for years.  A couple weeks back, a lone fan took two days to go out, trim it up, and make it look better. All that work for nothing.  Bastards.

Quote from: ac on September 30, 2009, 01:25:58 PM
FDOT mowed over "GO JAGS!" visible from 9A North for years.  A couple weeks back, a lone fan took two days to go out, trim it up, and make it look better. All that work for nothing.  Bastards.

Hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

The Frangie/Cole Pepper argument mentioned earlier in this thread was ridiculous. Frangie compared Jax to Charleston and Daytona. First off, Daytona is terrible, unless you are retired. Most people there with corporate jobs have to go to Jax or Orlando to work. And Charleston has a lot of history and a walkable downtown with actual stores and restaurants that are open past 5pm. Charleston also has a bunch of colleges and it is evident when you go there. Jax has some colleges, but unless you are on the campus, you can barely tell they exist. Jax has a lot to do and we all know that in a bunch of different areas and hopefully this city is going in the right direction. But to think losing the Jaguars wouldn't be a serious setback is ignorant.

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 01:05:28 PM
Old Gator Bowl was fine. Most college stadiums only recently were fitted with seatbacks. Otherwise most are aluminum. We already had the Upper West Stands in concrete, so enhancements could have continued, as they did when the Jags moved in after the 95 renovations with the enclosure of the South End Zone and the Super Bowl enhancements.

Its like your house, you would never let it sit so long without improvements. Same with the stadium.

Sure mtrain.

Just ask Miami and the Orange Bowl or LA and the Coliseum.  The press jokes about the fact that during the last couple of years, they actually built a temporary press box, because the city of LA condemed the permanent one.  They really maintained the crap out of them.

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 01:05:28 PM
Old Gator Bowl was fine. Most college stadiums only recently were fitted with seatbacks. Otherwise most are aluminum. We already had the Upper West Stands in concrete, so enhancements could have continued, as they did when the Jags moved in after the 95 renovations with the enclosure of the South End Zone and the Super Bowl enhancements.

Its like your house, you would never let it sit so long without improvements. Same with the stadium.

You're talking about the stadiums owned by the universities and colleges that belong to the team. Games like Fl / GA and conference championships that are played at neutral sites are all located in top notch stadiums not dumps like the old gator bowl.



The 95 renovations would never have happened if not for the Jags becoming a permanent tenant. The city is already taking funds from other projects to keep up with JMS... Why fix up a house that no one lives in but instead stays at only a couple times per year?

Right.  The Iron Bowl (Alabama-Auburn) was played in Birmingham at Legion Field for decades.  They stopped playing it there about 12 or 15 years ago.  Why?  The overwhelming reason was that Legion Field is old and decrepit.  I have been in that place for a World Cup Soccer qualifier in 2004 and left thankful that it didn't fall apart while I was there.  The Gator Bowl would be just as woebegone were it not for the renovations for the Jaguars, and Fla-Ga would be on campus (like the Iron Bowl is now).

And.. oh  yeah... Roll Tide!

The Citrus Bowl will not get the green light from the NFL for any games there. That place is far from being up to standards. Case closed.

It will take a very extensive renovation on the Citrus Bowl or a ground up new stadium before this is even really conversation-worthy. Either option would be a minimum 3-5 years out in my opinion.

There is NO way that Weaver would move a game to Orlando without MAJOR expansion of the SKYBOXES, which are where the Jags make money. They control those with the City and without them, there is MUCH less revenue for games. The Citrus bowl has very few luxuries at all in the stands. The only place I see them playing would be the UCF stadium, as it stands today.

QuoteThe 95 renovations would never have happened if not for the Jags becoming a permanent tenant. The city is already taking funds from other projects to keep up with JMS... Why fix up a house that no one lives in but instead stays at only a couple times per year?

You should go down to the LANDING and ask the owners of businesses that thrive for those games about the economic impact of the FL/GA game. The Gator Bowl Association estimates that a single college game, such as the Gator Bowl can have a 20-25 million dollar impact with dollars used 2-3x over as a result of the game. The FL/GA game is closer to 30-35 or more if Georgia wins and fans stay longer.

Do not overlook the obvious impact of the 2 games with or without the Jags. Most Jags fans are from around town, and do not have as much impact on the local economy for the games.

Quote from: mtraininjax on October 02, 2009, 03:06:02 PM

QuoteThe 95 renovations would never have happened if not for the Jags becoming a permanent tenant. The city is already taking funds from other projects to keep up with JMS... Why fix up a house that no one lives in but instead stays at only a couple times per year?

You should go down to the LANDING and ask the owners of businesses that thrive for those games about the economic impact of the FL/GA game. The Gator Bowl Association estimates that a single college game, such as the Gator Bowl can have a 20-25 million dollar impact with dollars used 2-3x over as a result of the game. The FL/GA game is closer to 30-35 or more if Georgia wins and fans stay longer.

Do not overlook the obvious impact of the 2 games with or without the Jags. Most Jags fans are from around town, and do not have as much impact on the local economy for the games.

You're still missing the point. The FLA / GA contract would not have been renewed by the Universities with out a major overhaul of the old gator bowl.

The stadium as it stands today cost $168,000,000... would the business's at the landing be covering that cost if the Jags had not come to town?

Would the city have commit to those upgrades for a 6 year contract from the Universities and no permanent tenant?

QuoteThe FLA / GA contract would not have been renewed by the Universities with out a major overhaul of the old gator bowl.

You don't know that for sure, that is your GUT telling you. History says otherwise.

The fact of the matter is that the FL/GA game had been here for many years, and if the CITY paid out the money it pays out, it would not matter if they played it at the old GB or even at UNF's field. The lights, seats, and festivities make it easier for the City to get revenue they can share with the 2 schools, but since the game had been played in Jacksonville ALL THOSE YEARS prior to 1995, so long as the money was there for the schools, who is to say it would have ever moved? NFL came into being when? Prior to the changes for the Super Bowl the stadium seated a LOT fewer people as well.

NFL started in 1920, first Jax game for the 2 schools was 1915. from 1916-1933 the game rotated back and forth between the 2 school locations. So from 1934 till 1994 and 1995, they had the game at the GB. I am shocked and appalled that they did not look at sending it to Atlanta Fulton County Stadium where they could have raked in more money than the GB, what with all the suites and luxury boxes there. Maybe the draw of "chair backs" was not as great then as it is now? Probably not, I'd say it was and still is MONEY.

Gut feeling huh?

QuoteIn the previous contract, the city paid about $1.4 million to construct a cement building in the south end zone to support temporary seating that is installed each year to bring the stadium’s capacity to 82,917.

http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida_gators/2009-09-23/story/florida_georgia_game_to_remain_in_jacksonville (http://jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida_gators/2009-09-23/story/florida_georgia_game_to_remain_in_jacksonville)

This was obviously after the 94-95 renovations and the Universities still wanted more.

As for money... most of that comes from the t.v. contract and the city just rents the stadium for free or in this contract $1.

Quote from: mtraininjax on September 30, 2009, 01:05:28 PM
Old Gator Bowl was fine. Most college stadiums only recently were fitted with seatbacks. Otherwise most are aluminum. We already had the Upper West Stands in concrete, so enhancements could have continued, as they did when the Jags moved in after the 95 renovations with the enclosure of the South End Zone and the Super Bowl enhancements.

Its like your house, you would never let it sit so long without improvements. Same with the stadium.

The old Gator Bowl was a piece of crap. It was quite obvious to everybody. The Fla-Ga game is here in 2009 because of the new stadium. The new stadium that has skyboxes, club seats and terrace suites. The old Gator Bowl would not have kept this game. It seems quite obvious to everybody on this board but you.

And in other (related) news, get ready for more Rams contraversy - this might take the edge off a bit:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-rams-ownership&prov=ap&type=lgns

Thanks for that one Blizz. 

This is an incredible topic.......I do not understand how anyone could be happy with the team leaving Jacksonville. The Turtles continue to walk backwards I see.  

Quote from: Coolyfett on October 29, 2009, 09:49:13 AM
This is an incredible topic.......I do not understand how anyone could be happy with the team leaving Jacksonville. The Turtles continue to walk backwards I see.  

Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist! Come on L.A. Jaguars hey that sounds very good.

If Weaver puts another year of faith in Del Rio, BIG IF, Please trade Reggie Nelson, he is pathetic and a few minutes ago 0-6 Tennessee just made him miss so bad, his lost jock is on the field.

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 29, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist! Come on L.A. Jaguars hey that sounds very good.

You love saying the SOS trying to get reactions and attention, as if this should be a surprise to anyone/

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 29, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist!

Mr. Weaver is by no means losing any money, in fact he's doing quite well.  Capital appreciation is what its all about and the franchise that he bought for 200 mil is now worth 800mil and revenue has increased year over year, so empty stadium or not he's doing ok.  Could it be better sure, but he not losing any money http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/30/football-values-09_Jacksonville-Jaguars_306892.html

I do agree with Mtrain though, the Del Rio years are quickly coming to an end.

How hard is it to BLOCK DOWN on an extra point? The ONLY person who came to play for the Jags is MO-JO. Some of these guys need to go down to the practice squad for a few games.

Didn't look so good today.  I actually thought the Jags would get a break with Young starting.  I guess not.  I wonder if the inconsistent play will continue to negatively impact ticket sales?

Of course it will. Alot of new players, but the same ole BS from past yrs. Del Rio never has this team ready after a bye. I didnt see Young starting as a good thing because he could extend drives. Jags looked pathetic, besides mojo,,this team is not good at all,,lets see 36,OOO next game.

Quote from: Karl_Pilkington on November 01, 2009, 05:32:39 PM

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 29, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist!

Mr. Weaver is by no means losing any money, in fact he's doing quite well.  Capital appreciation is what its all about and the franchise that he bought for 200 mil is now worth 800mil and revenue has increased year over year, so empty stadium or not he's doing ok.  Could it be better sure, but he not losing any money http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/30/football-values-09_Jacksonville-Jaguars_306892.html

I do agree with Mtrain though, the Del Rio years are quickly coming to an end.

Appreciation only matters if he sells the team. Then it's goodbye Jacksonville...

Just got my ticket to the KC game,before long what remaining fans we have left they'll let stand on the sideline with the Jags.Maybe they'll let us call a few plays.

Quote from: reednavy on November 01, 2009, 05:17:42 PM

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 29, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist! Come on L.A. Jaguars hey that sounds very good.

You love saying the SOS trying to get reactions and attention, as if this should be a surprise to anyone/

???

Quote from: reednavy on November 01, 2009, 05:17:42 PM

Quote from: JaxBorn1962 on October 29, 2009, 01:48:09 PM
Let them go besides Mr. Weaver isn't going to stay just to keep losing His money hand over fist! Come on L.A. Jaguars hey that sounds very good.

You love saying the SOS trying to get reactions and attention, as if this should be a surprise to anyone/

:'(