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Community => News => Topic started by: Sigma on June 26, 2009, 05:05:11 PM

Title: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Sigma on June 26, 2009, 05:05:11 PM
Check out the water spout by the Jax Navy base on the St John's!
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Post by: mtraininjax on June 26, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
Which Jax Navy Base on the St. Johns? NAS or Mayport?
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Post by: Lucasjj on June 26, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
NAS, it was really well defined. I could see it from my office on San Jose.
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Post by: hooplady on June 26, 2009, 05:16:25 PM
We could see it from our offices at Southpoint (Butler and 95)!
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Post by: Shwaz on June 26, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
Just had a 5 minute show of this from office on bay St.! Looks like it just went over land and may have broken up. I also heard theres a actual tornado on Sanjose blvd.
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Lunican on June 26, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
(http://www.news4jax.com/2009/0626/19872931_640X360.jpg)
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Post by: 77danj7 on June 26, 2009, 05:44:47 PM
We had to leave our desks and go to the middle of the building because of the tornado...we are off gate parkway though.
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Ocklawaha on June 26, 2009, 06:12:27 PM
Damn! Where is MTrain? Did you run out and pop those umbrellas I warned y'all about YESTERDAY? Sure is a good thing we don't get TORNADOS or deadly LIGHTNING here in Jacksonville isn't it! HEE HEE! BTW folks we get EARTHQUAKES TOO, about one major every 200 years. We're easily overdue.
Shall I shut up or keep going. Nothing like watching a F-0/1 while dousing your afternoon on the seawall in San Marco with a bottle Southern Comfort! I cheering y'all on YEEEHAWWW!  


(http://www.cswr.org/dataimages/2004-06/web-images-2004-06/tornado/mulhall/Copy%20of%20elem6.jpg)
Joking aside, WATCH THAT WALL CLOUD. This is my white van in Mulhall OK on May 4, 99, in case you wonder why I worry about the quality of the warnings we are getting here in Florida. I still think our city should have a siren system.  

OCKLAWAHA
"The Old Oklahoma State Cowboy!"  
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Lunican on June 26, 2009, 06:18:04 PM
(http://img32.yfrog.com/img32/8981/i5i.jpg)
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Post by: Lunican on June 26, 2009, 06:18:53 PM
(http://photos.jacksonville.com/PHOTOS/JAXF/785555/24344815E.jpg)

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=785555&CategoryID=9088
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Lunican on June 26, 2009, 06:19:31 PM
(http://photos.jacksonville.com/PHOTOS/JAXF/785555/24344812E.jpg)

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=785555&CategoryID=9088
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Post by: Lunican on June 26, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
(http://bit.ly/PuazE)
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Post by: sheclown on June 26, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
great pictures!
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Post by: 02roadking on June 26, 2009, 08:58:34 PM
Nice Lunican
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Post by: Scarlettjax on June 26, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
Got a few more drive-time here too:
http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/folder.asp?event=785549&CategoryID=29031&ListSubAlbums=0
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: fatcat on June 26, 2009, 10:26:58 PM
impressive photos.
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Post by: Ocklawaha on June 26, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
Any NWS types on here? What was the strongest F rating? Looked like it might have held a 1 for a short time. Also are the tracks here typically multi-directional? In "Tornado Alley" the track is nearly ALWAYS from Southwest to Northeast, making for easy tracking and interception easy (with consideration given for some ground wobbles).  

OCKLAWAHA
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Post by: reednavy on June 27, 2009, 12:36:31 AM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on June 26, 2009, 11:02:40 PM
Any NWS types on here? What was the strongest F rating? Looked like it might have held a 1 for a short time. Also are the tracks here typically multi-directional? In "Tornado Alley" the track is nearly ALWAYS from Southwest to Northeast, making for easy tracking and interception easy (with consideration given for some ground wobbles).  

OCKLAWAHA

This did not produce any damage, and did not cross over land, officially, so no rating. HOWEVER, I have found a video that may prove otherwise and have called the NWS to report this, and the meteorologist on duty agrees with me that this was a small EF-0 for a few blocks before dissipation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Efi8LwUfs
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Post by: BridgeTroll on June 27, 2009, 09:15:46 AM
Great Link
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Post by: billy on June 27, 2009, 10:05:24 AM
Looks like it was headed to the Florida Yacht Club for a cocktail.

That thing's about fifty times larger than any waterspout I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: heights unknown on June 27, 2009, 12:44:14 PM
Dramatic and impressive photos.  Did it wash ashore and was there any damage?  Appears it stayed out on the river (thank God) and was stronger when it first started than the end.  Reminds me of a needle on a tone arm spinning on a record.

Heights Unknown
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: heights unknown on June 27, 2009, 12:51:56 PM
Spectacular and "God Awesome" video. Was there any hail? Usually there's hail along with catastrophic winds in a tornado.  It appears that it did not touch down all the way, if it had, the house the Videographers of the video were living in and other area property would have suffered more tremendous and/or catastrophic damage.  Good thing it didn't touch down all the way, but it came down far enough.  Anyone knows how strong the winds were in the area of the tornado?  I know it was an EF-0 but did NWS give any wind measurements and what was the extent of the damge?
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: reednavy on June 27, 2009, 01:05:52 PM
Size of the funnel doesn't always mean it is weak. Just look up the Eli, Manitoba tornado. It was small, but an EF-5. This waterspout, at most intense, was probably no more than 70mph. It had a broad area of relatively friction free winds to feed from, and this is how most waterspouts start. If this had happened over land, nothing more than a funnel would've happened because waterspouts such as this usually need a large area of relatively no interaction with trees or structures to get it's windfield into a concentrated location. In Florida, especially this time of year, hail larger than nickels is rare because it is relatively warm throughout the atmosphere from surface to at least 15,000 ft and the freezing level is quite high.

Based on video, it certainly does appear the remnant circulation did make it ashore near St. Vincent's and travelled up Barrs St, cross Oak St, and dissipated somewhere about 2-4 blocks afetr that. Max winds were probably no more than 50mph, which is why only leaves, loose limbs, and trash went airborne in the video. This qualifies as no visible damage and if it is proven to be a tornado, it will be EF-0. Now, it will be up the 2nd in command at the NWS to determin if it is given such, but I see no reasonable doubt that this wasn't a tornado, very weak, but a tornado none the less.

There have been cases of stronger waterspouts coming ashore and doing a bit of damage. Look up the Cape Coral tornado from 2007.
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Post by: scaleybark on June 27, 2009, 01:34:12 PM
I saw this waterspout.  It was pretty awesome.

I first noticed it when a co-worker in our office building told everybody to look at the "huge" waterspout.  At first, I thought he was making a joke, because the weather was partly cloudy, with no lightning, thunder, or rain.  Everyone watched the waterspout slowly cross the river, changing shape from a slow moving stovepipe to a zigzagging rope.  It was weakening when it came ashore in Riverside, but it became a rather impressive looking funnel cloud after it came inland.  We watched it move north of to the I10/I95 interchange before the downpour obscured it.

On strange thing about this storm was that there was no storm when the waterspout first formed.  There were clouds, but no lightning or thunder.  It almost seems as if the waterspout formed the storm, instead of the storm forming the waterspout.  After it came ashore, the lightning became intense, striking constantly all around the funnel.  When the downpour obscured the funnel, you could guess where the funnel was by the location of the lightning.
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Post by: Cliffs_Daughter on June 27, 2009, 02:01:46 PM
That is the best video I've seen of that thing! 
All I got was a cell phone snippet while driving down 17 going home. I was around San Juan when everybody just slowed down and looked to their left to take pictures. Just amazing.

My hubby said the Avenues Mall office made everybody go down to the first floor when they got a Tornado warning. Several were standing down by the center dome area with all those glass skylights... so he took his store staff and a few customers into the back stairway corridors to be safe instead.
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: Lunican on June 29, 2009, 12:40:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/T9Efi8LwUfs&hl=en&fs=1&
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: fsujax on June 29, 2009, 01:21:23 PM
This has officially been classified as a tornado. It was rated an EF0. However, I lost power for 5hrs in Springfield because of this storm.
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Post by: CMG22 on June 29, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
Everyone is talking about the lack of significant weather before this waterspout was spotted.  I had an even more bizarre experience last summer while dining in St. Augustine.  It was a clear day with just a few cumulus clouds I'd estimate 4,000 feet.  My friend said, "What is that?"  Sure enough, it was a waterspout on the ocean.

I have taken a few meteorology classes and have a commercial pilots license.  I never knew they could occur in such good conditions.  Anyone know anything more about these?
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Post by: BridgeTroll on June 29, 2009, 02:18:26 PM
There is no huge mystery.  It was an isolated, intense yet rather small (in area) thunderstorm.  The thunderstorm grew very quickly spawning a small tornado.  I was downtown while the waterspout was over the water and we had significant rain, lightning and thunder.  I have no doubt that many who watched the storm from afar were in clear sky, sunny and hot conditions.
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Post by: lindab on June 29, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
There was some minor damage on Stockton and Herschel near our house.  This amazing video lets you look inside the water spout (twister).
http://www.news4jax.com/video/19890325/
Title: Re: Huge Water Spout on St Johns at 5 PM
Post by: The Compound on June 29, 2009, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: lindab on June 29, 2009, 03:25:47 PM
There was some minor damage on Stockton and Herschel near our house.  This amazing video lets you look inside the water spout (twister).
http://www.news4jax.com/video/19890325/

That video was just posted above by Lunican
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Post by: reednavy on June 29, 2009, 04:51:45 PM
Quote from: CMG22 on June 29, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
Everyone is talking about the lack of significant weather before this waterspout was spotted.  I had an even more bizarre experience last summer while dining in St. Augustine.  It was a clear day with just a few cumulus clouds I'd estimate 4,000 feet.  My friend said, "What is that?"  Sure enough, it was a waterspout on the ocean.

I have taken a few meteorology classes and have a commercial pilots license.  I never knew they could occur in such good conditions.  Anyone know anything more about these?

In most cases this time of year, all you need is relatively light to calm winds in the overall area to start. A tower cumulus, jsut producing a shower can spawn a waterspout, as is very common in SoFal, especially in The Keys. Just a light amount of windshear, about 10kts or more in a localized location can give birth to a waterspout, commonly called Fair Weather Spouts. They are typical and rarely form from thunderstorms. In this case, to opposing sea breeze fronts provided enough windshear across a localized are and produced this spout. Granted, the rotation did finally interact with the rapidly developing storm and added a little kick to it and was able to move ashore for several blocks.
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Post by: blizz01 on June 29, 2009, 07:00:51 PM
Was in the Latest News section on CNN.com Saturday:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/ireports/2009/06/26/ireport.fl.waterspout.ireport?iref=videosearch
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Post by: blizz01 on July 01, 2009, 02:58:06 PM
CNN's regurgitating the story on the "Latest News" again today - haha.  Maybe they should focus more on Iran or North Korea.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/06/30/irpt.waterspout.tornado.cnn